Krauthammer: Let’s give South Korea its own nuclear arsenal

posted at 9:56 pm on November 22, 2010 by Allahpundit

Via the Right Scoop, a Reaganesque response to yesterday’s NorK revelation. Given The One’s “nuclear zero” posture, I assume this idea is a total nonstarter, although (a) South Korea is reportedly interested in the possibility of reinstalling U.S. nukes on the peninsula and (b) the “talking cure” for North Korea hasn’t cured all that much 15 years and two nuclear tests later. To be clear, though: Kraut’s policy here isn’t aimed at Kim Jong-il but rather at the Chinese, who, as noted last night, maintain the only real leverage over Kim. Put nukes in South Korea and nudge the Japanese towards building a program of their own and, in theory, the budding superpower next door will finally get the message that it’s really, truly time to rein in the North Koreans. (Think of it as a far east version of the idea of building up India in Afghanistan in order to make Pakistan crack down on the Taliban.)

Just two problems. One: Is there any reason to think the world’s nuttiest government would react rationally to a provocation like that, even under intense pressure from China? Remember that the North Koreans are in the midst of a murky power succession right now between Kim and his son. If Kim doubts that junior is up to the task of “governance,” such as it is in NK, maybe he’ll react to a nuclear standoff by deciding there’s nothing left to lose. Two: Given China’s upset about American influence in the far east and growing confidence about its own military power, I’m guessing that the sudden emergence of U.S. nuclear weapons next door would instigate some sort of reprisal. Think Obama’s up to dealing with that if and when it comes? Me neither.


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It’s about pressuring China, NorK is a meaningless entity without China.

Rode Werk on November 22, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Did someone leave the door open? It’s getting cold in here again. War.

Electrongod on November 22, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Is he still bored, Valarie Jarrett? Is he?!!?

SouthernGent on November 22, 2010 at 9:59 PM

The Japanese, who brutally ruled Korea for forty years, would view a nuclear armed S. Korea only slightly less favorably than a nuclear armed N. Korea. The Japanese don’t like either of ‘em. Politically a non-starter for just that reason.

scm on November 22, 2010 at 10:00 PM

This is idiotic. If South Korea wanted nukes they could build their own a lot more quickly than poverty stricken North Korea could. They don’t.

American weapons in South Korea avoids a lot of problems and accomplishes much of the same effect and they remain under US control.

sharrukin on November 22, 2010 at 10:02 PM

You know, back when N. Korea first had a nuclear bomb test, my friends and family asked what I would have done in response.

I said: “Give Japan an aircraft carrier.”

Which is were I think we should start instead of going directly to nukes.

I think a Japanese aircraft carrier should be sufficient to get China’s attention without generating too dangerous a response. (For one thing point out that it’s always been the Japanese Army that was interested in China, not the Navy.)

Sackett on November 22, 2010 at 10:02 PM

THIS IS A PROOF THAT KRAUTHAMMER HAS ALREADY LOST HIS MARBLE!

TheAlamos on November 22, 2010 at 10:03 PM

He’s just trying to force a point; if North Korea can have a nuke program, why can’t South Korea?

If South Korea can not have a nuke program, why can North Korea?

Neo on November 22, 2010 at 10:04 PM

The solution is simple. Stop giving them ANY aid. Including food. Drop pamphlets telling the NorK people that they will not receive a drop of aid until the people rise up and lynch their leaders.

Problem will solve itself within a few weeks.

gozzak on November 22, 2010 at 10:05 PM

Is there any reason to think the world’s nuttiest government would react rationally to a provocation like that, even under intense pressure from China?

I for one don’t give a damn about how the NoKo’s react. But it might be just the impetus necessary to get China to do what we all know needs to be done about this sociopathic regime; get together with S. Korea, and use all necessary force to bring some sort of rational government to the North.

China wants to be a regional hegemon? Fine. They can start by cleaning up the mess in their own backyard.

JohnGalt23 on November 22, 2010 at 10:06 PM

This is idiotic. If South Korea wanted nukes they could build their own a lot more quickly than poverty stricken North Korea could. They don’t.

sharrukin on November 22, 2010 at 10:02 PM

I guarantee you, we tell them that we’re going to pull our troops off the Korean peninsula, they’ll build nukes in a long weekend.

JohnGalt23 on November 22, 2010 at 10:08 PM

just come out and say we are starting talks with SK about giving them their own nucs ….big ones

Aggie95 on November 22, 2010 at 10:09 PM

I for one don’t give a damn about how the NoKo’s react.

you should, what happens there directly effects your econimic liberties and potentially basic Civil liberties down the road.

jp on November 22, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Our foreign policy is hopeless until we get Obama out of office.

bluemarlin on November 22, 2010 at 10:13 PM

I guarantee you, we tell them that we’re going to pull our troops off the Korean peninsula, they’ll build nukes in a long weekend.

JohnGalt23 on November 22, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Then let them. If South Korea is going to control a nuclear arsenal then it should be their own… not one for which the US can take the heat. The United States hasn’t handed nukes over to anyone. Not Britain, not France, not Germany, and not Israel.

This is an idiotic suggestion that leaves the US open to all the negatives that may come with such a move and none of the control or restraint.

sharrukin on November 22, 2010 at 10:14 PM

Is there any reason to think the world’s nuttiest government would react rationally to a provocation like that,

.
They are already irrational. Appeasement will not change that.

ronsfi on November 22, 2010 at 10:15 PM

I guarantee you, we tell them that we’re going to pull our troops off the Korean peninsula, they’ll build nukes in a long weekend.

JohnGalt23 on November 22, 2010 at 10:08 PM

The old saying was that Japan could build a nuke anytime they wanted, and it would be smaller, cheaper, and have more features than a US nuke.

A Korean nuke would be exactly the same as a US nuke, but would be much, much cheaper and have a nameplate that had a name you didn’t recognize.

pedestrian on November 22, 2010 at 10:16 PM

If we don’t do something soon, the Japanese are going to arm themselves. That alone is a noxious prospect, if you have any sense of 20th Century history.

fossten on November 22, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Okay,I’m on broad,TACTICAL NUKES is a go!!

Better yet,tunnel a gapeing hole under da DMZ,
and make it reach under Pong-Yang,and put a
5,000 megaton warhead in there!!

Next,ask NK,if you want to make their day!!(snark).

canopfor on November 22, 2010 at 10:22 PM

S. Korea Could Seek Deployment of US Tactical Nuclear Weapons

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/South-Korea-Could-Seek-Deployment-of-US-Tactical-Nuclear-Weapons-109819069.html

canopfor on November 22, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Nuclear Weapon Database:

United States Arsenal

http://www.cdi.org/nuclear/database/usnukes.html

canopfor on November 22, 2010 at 10:26 PM

Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)
United States Nuclear Forces

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/index.html

canopfor on November 22, 2010 at 10:29 PM

Nuclear Weapon Database:

United States Arsenal

http://www.cdi.org/nuclear/database/usnukes.html

canopfor on November 22, 2010 at 10:26 PM

Wow, now can you get me Obama`s transcripts?

bluemarlin on November 22, 2010 at 10:30 PM

canopfor on November 22, 2010 at 10:26 PM
============================================
Wow, now can you get me Obama`s transcripts?

bluemarlin on November 22, 2010 at 10:30 PM

bluemarlin:*Sigh*,yup,will you settle for his Lecture Exam
questions to his law students!:)
=======================================================

Barack Obama Lectures on Constituonal Law

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13516100/Barack-Obama-Lectures-on-Constituonal-Law

canopfor on November 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM

canopfor on November 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Oh well, it is dangerous and top secret stuff and all that!

bluemarlin on November 22, 2010 at 10:40 PM

The Japanese, who brutally ruled Korea for forty years, would view a nuclear armed S. Korea only slightly less favorably than a nuclear armed N. Korea. The Japanese don’t like either of ‘em. Politically a non-starter for just that reason.

scm on November 22, 2010 at 10:00 PM

The Japanese armed with nukes would be something feared by everyone in the region. US military protection is the only thing keeping the Japanese from going nuke anyway.

But regarding Krauthammer’s suggestion, I couldn’t agree more. We need to stop being China’s b!@#& and start fighting fire with fire. We don’t actually have to let South Korea, Japan, Taiwan (that one though would really be picking a fight), etc go fully nuke to make our point. A few coordinated announcements of new enrichment programs would be enough to get the message through.

BryanS on November 22, 2010 at 10:41 PM

I’m guessing that the sudden emergence of U.S. nuclear weapons next door would instigate some sort of reprisal. Think Obama’s up to dealing with that if and when it comes? Me neither.

This is exactly why economic instability is so dangerous. History shows that in times of economic strife, war is often the result.

The Democrats are acting like irresponsible spendthrifts and are going to have to champion higher taxes and inflation. They act as though they have not a care in the world, that the economy will inevitably rebound and all will be fine for reelection in ’12.

It wont, precisely because they are so weak and pathetic that they don’t even comprehend how much they place us at risk.

FloatingRock on November 22, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Obama’s “Smart Diplomacy” consists of six words: Kick the can down the road!

GarandFan on November 22, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Cut spending elsewhere, increase spending on missile defense. It’s not pork. It’s a national security priority.

FloatingRock on November 22, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Is there any reason to think the world’s nuttiest government would react rationally to a provocation like that, even under intense pressure from China?

You must be kidding. North Korea doesn’t do anything that’s not alright with China.

Luka on November 22, 2010 at 10:57 PM

A balance of powers, mutual assured destruction, contained the looniest most hateful premiers of the USSR and China in the bargain.

And if the threat gets modern China off their scheming butts, that’s nothing but good but that takes stones, not something even Hillary has.

Speakup on November 22, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Uhmmm, what makes anyone think that South Korea doesnt have a repository nukes sufficient to vaporize the significant miltary and population centers of the North hidden away in a bunker for special emergency situations courtesy of the USA??? I would be very surprised if they did not.

paulsur on November 22, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Bad idea!

Spathi on November 22, 2010 at 11:31 PM

Bad idea!

Spathi on November 22, 2010 at 11:31 PM

That settles it – give them whatever they want!

OldEnglish on November 22, 2010 at 11:36 PM

canopfor on November 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM
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Oh well, it is dangerous and top secret stuff and all that!

bluemarlin on November 22, 2010 at 10:40 PM

bluemarlin:Hehe:)

canopfor on November 22, 2010 at 11:37 PM

A weak fool is in the WH and all the world knows it.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2010 at 11:59 PM

Obama:

“So today, I state clearly and with conviction America’s commitment and desire to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons.”

The more Obama makes grandiose,naive speeches of a “world without Nuclear Weapons”,continues to bow and apologize on the international stage…..
…..the faster rouge,terrorist supporting nations make their dreams of a nuclear bomb a reality.

Appeasement is not the answer.

Baxter Greene on November 23, 2010 at 12:02 AM

Muslim jihadist WANT mutually assured destruction. Somebody’s going to give it to them.

Mojave Mark on November 23, 2010 at 12:08 AM

paulsur on November 22, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Maybe if Reagan put them there. I doubt Carter, Clinton, Bush or Obama would have, (and it sounds like they were there and removed, according to up thread).

Bush might have, sure, but it seems to me that if we give nukes to SK, in order for it to be an effective deterrent people need to know about it.

FloatingRock on November 23, 2010 at 12:23 AM

FROM NYT:

Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

KABUL, Afghanistan — For months, the secret talks unfolding between Taliban and Afghan leaders to end the war appeared to be showing promise, if only because of the appearance of a certain insurgent leader at one end of the table: Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, one of the most senior commanders in the Taliban movement.

But now, it turns out, Mr. Mansour was apparently not Mr. Mansour at all. In an episode that could have been lifted from a spy novel, United States and Afghan officials now say the Afghan man was an impostor, and high-level discussions conducted with the assistance of NATO appear to have achieved little.

“It’s not him,” said a Western diplomat in Kabul intimately involved in the discussions. “And we gave him a lot of money.”

American officials confirmed Monday that they had given up hope that the Afghan was Mr. Mansour, or even a member of the Taliban leadership.

NATO and Afghan officials said they held three meetings with the man, who traveled from in Pakistan, where Taliban leaders have taken refuge.
The fake Taliban leader even met with President Hamid Karzai, having been flown to Kabul on a NATO aircraft and ushered into the presidential palace, officials said.

————————————–

THIS IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF THE INCOMPETENCE OF OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

IN MY OPINION, IT IS VERY CLEAR DESPITE THE PUNDITS “DEMUDDLING OF THE ISSUES” THAT … ANY OTHER CANDIDATE CAN BEAT OBAMA IN 2012.

OBAMA’S FOREIGN POLICY IS A HAVOC TO INTERNATIONAL IMAGE OF AMERICA!

TheAlamos on November 23, 2010 at 12:30 AM

This is the time we need a real president.

Cindy Munford on November 23, 2010 at 12:41 AM

What do you call 28,000 troops on the border of a non nuclear power? A deterrent. What do you call 28,000 troops on the border of a nuclear power? Hostages.

DFCtomm on November 23, 2010 at 1:15 AM

Is there any reason to think the world’s nuttiest government would react rationally to a provocation like that, even under intense pressure from China?

There seems to be no reason to think the world’s nuttiest government would react unpredictably at all to being incinerated.

Kralizec on November 23, 2010 at 1:18 AM

The Chinese are happy if all of the US advisaries are armed with nukes. Kruschev was on the verge of giving Mao his own atom bomb, when Mao told the Russians that he wasn’t concerned if the Chinese lost 1 million casualties in a nuclear war. Khruschev stopped giving the Chinese further technology and recalled all Soviet advisors.The US. should stop all aide to N.Korea let them eat AK-47′s let Dear leader provide food, medicine to his people. South Korea’s youth must understand the threat from the North, Japan also has to come to the table, and realize the Chinese are the puppeteers, N. Korea is the puppe,t and dear leader is pinnochio.

phillyrepub on November 23, 2010 at 1:22 AM

DFCtomm on November 23, 2010 at 1:15 AM

If South Korea had a nuclear deterrent then our troop presence there would no longer be necessary—other than to protect and monitor their nuclear program, perhaps.

FloatingRock on November 23, 2010 at 1:40 AM

Given the way North Korea likes to shoot at things (apparently now houses on an island off the coast of South Korea) that seems a phenomenally bad idea.

expatmanca on November 23, 2010 at 1:43 AM

The North Koreans are nuts, but they don’t have a death wish like the Iranians. Getting nukes back into South Korea seems like a fairly good idea, especially after the events of today – which seem like another event designed to gauge just how for the North Koreans can go before the South Koreans respond.

alflauren on November 23, 2010 at 1:51 AM

Kim may be nutty, but he isn’t crazy. All this crap is for PR – except the nuke tech, which he needs to sell for hard currency. Cognac and Cuban cigars ain’t cheap.

Where did the idea there is a succession “struggle” on in the PRK, and especially that it is “between” the Kims? Kim wanted to install his young son as successor, and the public imagery indicates he has done so successfully. The only possible resistance might have come from the Army, but the poor life expectancy of resistors to Kim’s will has taken its toll and there aren’t many left.

The Kims are now an unofficial monarchy which will only be ended when a few colonels grow the sets needed to take them out, period. There will be some tense days, but pretty much everyone but the Kims and a few close associates will be far better off without them.

Adjoran on November 23, 2010 at 2:02 AM

I do not look upon the remilitarization of Japan with any more favor than I do letting N. Korea become an nuclear power.

Slowburn on November 23, 2010 at 2:11 AM

Kim may be nutty, but he isn’t crazy.

I dunno, as of right now, “crazy” is starting to look pretty plausible.

Fabozz on November 23, 2010 at 2:11 AM

How much food are we still sending them?

leereyno on November 23, 2010 at 2:20 AM

Listen to this night’s/morning’s news…

Lourdes on November 23, 2010 at 3:06 AM

The North Koreans are nuts, but they don’t have a death wish like the Iranians. Getting nukes back into South Korea seems like a fairly good idea, especially after the events of today – which seem like another event designed to gauge just how for the North Koreans can go before the South Koreans respond.

alflauren on November 23, 2010 at 1:51 AM

WILL OBAMA APROVE?

AND WHERE IS THE CODEPINK WHEN WE NEED THEM?

TheAlamos on November 23, 2010 at 3:20 AM

Our foreign policy is hopeless until we get Obama out of office.

bluemarlin on November 22, 2010 at 10:13 PM

I’ve wondered for some time what other countries secret surveillance estimates say regarding Obama.

I’m pretty sure many countries would have the word “weak” somewhere in the report.

scotash on November 23, 2010 at 4:37 AM

Ya gotta wonder why the Chinese sit back and don’t give Kim’s leash a really hard yank when he does crap like this. Maybe they think a dustup on the Korean peninsula that drags the US into it would give them cover to take Taiwan while we’re busy trying to keep a Korean fire contained, not to mention our thinned troops spread out in Afghanistan and Iraq.

tpitman on November 23, 2010 at 6:19 AM

Rebar on November 23, 2010 at 1:47 AM

just saw this news alert on F & F….yikes

cmsinaz on November 23, 2010 at 6:22 AM

cmsinaz on November 23, 2010 at 6:22 AM

It’s on Drudge now. The North Koreans committed an act of war. Not the first. They sank a ship recently too.

dogsoldier on November 23, 2010 at 6:44 AM

dogsoldier on November 23, 2010 at 6:44 AM

thanks will check it out…wonder what dear leader is saying….

cmsinaz on November 23, 2010 at 6:51 AM

cmsinaz on November 23, 2010 at 6:51 AM

He’ll probably say, “Let’s all remain calm…” and “I want to wait and see how this plays out…”

He may even try some blather about “opening a dialog” or some equally defective drivel.

In the end he will posture and do nothing.

dogsoldier on November 23, 2010 at 6:57 AM

Since China is all fine and dandy with NoKo having nuclear ability, then they should have no problems if the US works on giving them a Nuclear Neighborhood: Nuclear technology to S. Korea, Taiwan and Japan. And we can throw in some first generation stealth technology to sweeten the pot… really China should applaud this as it is all warm and fuzzy about NoKo and refuses to do a single thing to stop it. And we must remember that China holds the food and energy controls of the Magic Kingdom of Mr. Kim.

ajacksonian on November 23, 2010 at 6:59 AM

Klaatu: I am leaving soon, and you will forgive me if I speak bluntly. The universe grows smaller every day, and the threat of aggression by any group, anywhere, can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all, or no one is secure. Now, this does not mean giving up any freedom, except the freedom to act irresponsibly. Your ancestors knew this when they made laws to govern themselves and hired policemen to enforce them. We, of the other planets, have long accepted this principle. We have an organization for the mutual protection of all planets and for the complete elimination of aggression. The test of any such higher authority is, of course, the police force that supports it. For our policemen, we created a race of robots. Their function is to patrol the planets in spaceships like this one and preserve the peace. In matters of aggression, we have given them absolute power over us. This power cannot be revoked. At the first sign of violence, they act automatically against the aggressor. The penalty for provoking their action is too terrible to risk. The result is, we live in peace, without arms or armies, secure in the knowledge that we are free from aggression and war. Free to pursue more… profitable enterprises. Now, we do not pretend to have achieved perfection, but we do have a system, and it works. I came here to give you these facts. It is no concern of ours how you run your own planet, but if you threaten to extend your violence, this Earth of yours will be reduced to a burned-out cinder. Your choice is simple: join us and live in peace, or pursue your present course and face obliteration. We shall be waiting for your answer. The decision rests with you.

J_Crater on November 23, 2010 at 7:02 AM

dogsoldier on November 23, 2010 at 6:57 AM

spot on my friend…

cmsinaz on November 23, 2010 at 7:08 AM

Don’t panic.
Obama will take care of things.

justltl on November 23, 2010 at 7:16 AM

I’m sure that a harsh statement is being fed into TOTUS even as we speak.

justltl on November 23, 2010 at 7:17 AM

We were warned what would happen if our foreign policy went on like it did with the Democrats in control… and did anyone pay attention?

ajacksonian on November 23, 2010 at 7:24 AM

Japan could have a nuclear device next week. I am sure all the parts on the shelf, just ready for assembly. In fact that probably already have a pile ready to launch, just like the Israelis.

SC.Charlie on November 23, 2010 at 7:28 AM

I sure hope that we are keeping some visible naval firepower in the area that have nuclear missiles at the ready.

SC.Charlie on November 23, 2010 at 7:32 AM

… and all this ratchets up with that little artillery exchange between North and South Korea…

Khun Joe on November 23, 2010 at 7:42 AM

Time to grab your Bibles and start reading the Book of Revelations…Jesus started to open the seals (or did but we didn’t notice). Coincidence all the History (or Discovery)Channel shows on Nostradamus’ Effect and the B.O.R. (not Bill O’Reilly).

If anybody starts seeing Mayans, Atlanteans or Egyptians (or the combo of all three) grab a lamb, kill it and spread blood on all doors~/tin foil hat off

ProudPalinFan on November 23, 2010 at 8:02 AM

Seriously, this war on the other side of the world must be watched pretty closely. God knows what craziness the UN will say about it.

Obama, you got that call at what, 3 AM?

Let’s pray for our country and our people’s safety and security.

ProudPalinFan on November 23, 2010 at 8:04 AM

dear leader strongly condemns these actions…

good to know

cmsinaz on November 23, 2010 at 8:06 AM

The Chinese are happy if all of the US advisaries are armed with nukes. Kruschev was on the verge of giving Mao his own atom bomb, when Mao told the Russians that he wasn’t concerned if the Chinese lost 1 million casualties in a nuclear war. Khruschev stopped giving the Chinese further technology and recalled all Soviet advisors.The US. should stop all aide to N.Korea let them eat AK-47′s let Dear leader provide food, medicine to his people. South Korea’s youth must understand the threat from the North, Japan also has to come to the table, and realize the Chinese are the puppeteers, N. Korea is the puppe,t and dear leader is pinnochio.

phillyrepub on November 23, 2010 at 1:22 AM

Wrong, the figure Mao used was 100,000,000 Chinese. (Anita Dunn’s hero)

slickwillie2001 on November 23, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Wrong, the figure Mao used was 100,000,000 Chinese. (Anita Dunn’s hero)

slickwillie2001 on November 23, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Damned decimal point lol

phillyrepub on November 23, 2010 at 11:35 AM