Biden: I won’t underestimate Palin

posted at 2:35 pm on November 21, 2010 by Cubachi

Vice President Joe Biden is known to have a slip of the tongue or two. Okay, the guy is gaffe-prone.

But are his latest comments about Palin, gaffes or honest assessments?

A few days ago, Biden was on “Morning Joe” and was asked by the hosts about Palin’s reply to Barbara Walters on whether or not she has what it takes to defeat Obama in 2012.

Although Biden thinks Obama can defeat Palin, he is not willing to accept the notion that she may not pull through. Is this another gaffe or a rare dose of truth by Biden?

“I don’t think she could beat President Obama.But, you know, she’s always underestimated.”

“[She's a] “real force in the Republican Party.”

Sure Biden laughed off the notion of Palin defeating Obama. However, in another interview last Thursday with Larry King, Biden reiterated that Palin is not to be taken lightly:

“Were I a Republican senator or a Republican political leader, I would look and say, ‘Wait, she’s got a good chance of getting the nomination.’ But look, it’s hard enough for us to figure out our side of the aisle, let alone go over and sort of handicap whether she can win or lose.”

So is this any indication that the left is taking Palin seriously? Even the Telegraph, in a snarky, but sobering take, printed an article titled: “President Palin? Don’t dare dismiss it.”

With the recession enduring, and Obama and the Democrats over-reaching with healthcare reform, these are propitious times for a populist such as Palin, especially one from a frontier state that reinforces the nation’s pioneering spirit.

Moreover, the Republican field for the nomination is, to her benefit, wide open. There is no outstanding candidate and her rivals are all men, who will be wary of criticising not only the only woman among them, but the only candidate with a solid nationwide following.

Although liberals, and some republicans like to laugh off a candidate Palin (Barbara Bush told Larry King Palin should “stay in Alaska”), she is the only republican among the 2012 field, that generates any excitement and has the most ardent of fans. Do you think republicans fear her power as a candidate? Do democrats fear she can defeat Obama?

Cross-posted at www.Cubachi.com


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Unseen

I get the impression that Mittens is supportive of Palin this midterm election. Nothing to point to but, “Yeah, I support him, TOO.”

Michael Steele has her endorsement with two mailings and Jim DeMint, without saying, supported same conservative candidates.

Shhsss. Don’t tell. Or maybe shout it ’cause the propaganda media distorts any fact.

Caststeel on November 21, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Lanceman on November 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM

I was talking about the new governors that got elected. Like Nikki in Sc, Mendanze in NM, Fallin in OK, MacDonnell in Va, the new GOv in NV etc. If they governe well we will have a big bench of conservatives coming online And the Mitt’s will be swept away. Notice that the RINO gameplan of getting elected in the NE is not working out real well. the RINO bench is getting smaller and smaller. Which is a good thing for conservatives in the long run. We are winning the war of attrition. Makes the Castle defeat that much more satisfying.

unseen on November 21, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Caststeel on November 21, 2010 at 5:06 PM

I see most of the anti-Palin crap coming from two sources. the bush wing and Mitt supporters.

unseen on November 21, 2010 at 5:09 PM

If Obama declines the nomination, the Chicago Machine will run that other politician from Chicago, Hillary,and “Hills”, will do it “for the children”.

bigmike on November 21, 2010 at 5:10 PM

unseen on November 21, 2010 at 5:07 PM

No, I know what you were talking about. I would have included Christie in that list as well, but I can’t abide an anti-gun President. Though I would support him if he ran and won the nomination.
Personally, I prefer cowboys in office. The job requires a manly view of the world.

Lanceman on November 21, 2010 at 5:10 PM

unseen on November 21, 2010 at 5:07 PM

We elected a pretty decent GOP candidate for Governor here in TN, but will reserve judgment due to his squishy stand on the 2nd amendment. I don’t fear for the state due to the overwhelmingly red shift we have taken, but I’m not certain he can be trusted with a ‘rat congress…

I wish Marsha Blackburn would run…

ladyingray on November 21, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Uneen, there’s also some left over Huck people, who were advising Miller.

bigmike on November 21, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Even a midget can be tall if they have long enough stilts. About time someone had the sense to admit this.

Dark-Star on November 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM

I didn’t realize you are a little person…

ladyingray on November 21, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Spiritually, not physically…

ebrown2 on November 21, 2010 at 5:13 PM

“Halp us Mitt,we ar stuk in RINOSTAN”!(sarc).

canopfor on November 21, 2010 at 5:04 PM

LOL! Thanks, my Canuck brother! :)

OmahaConservative on November 21, 2010 at 5:14 PM

What happens if Palin works out a deal with Huck. Mitt loses in a landslide.

think about it. huck can’t win, he has a good job now, his wife doesn’t want him to run and he hates Mitt. If huck throws his support behind Palin for a top job in her admin Palin gets the social cons/the litt L’s and the populists vote. leavign Mitt witht he RINO vote. It’s over man. It’s over…

unseen on November 21, 2010 at 5:15 PM

UNSEEN! Dratted keyboard.

bigmike on November 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM

The job requires a manly view of the world.

Lanceman on November 21, 2010 at 5:10 PM

I don’t know. Anymore I think a woman’s touch is needed to solve some of these problems.

unseen on November 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM

bigmike on November 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM

typos don’t bother me if you haven’t noticesd by my posts :) can usally get the meaning from them.

Well guys its been fun but got to go.

unseen on November 21, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Re President George W. Bush, he is doing a book interview on CSPAN2 BookTV this weekend. It’s part of the Miami Book Fair, so it doesn’t show in the schedule so you just have to watch for it or watch it at the website here: Program: Decision Points

The host is Michael Barone, who mostly lets GWB talk, rather than making him retell the most embarrassing and belittling anecdotes like every liberal old media host does. 56 minutes.

Very good interview.

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Will Huck Actually run? there’s 1000+ commutations/pardons sitting out there ready for 1 of them to kill another cop. The odds of none of them killing another cop or four is something Huck has probably thought about.

bigmike on November 21, 2010 at 5:25 PM

So, Joe is going to take his training wheels off and go for the big time?

unclesmrgol on November 21, 2010 at 5:27 PM

You know, you are allowed to have more than one sentence to a paragraph. Just saying. . . .

thphilli on November 21, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Unseen
Regan’s eleventh commandment

Caststeel on November 21, 2010 at 5:34 PM

“Halp us Mitt,we ar stuk in RINOSTAN”!(sarc).

canopfor on November 21, 2010 at 5:04 PM
==========================
LOL! Thanks, my Canuck brother! :)

OmahaConservative on November 21, 2010 at 5:14 PM

OmahaConservative:Tee-hee,ahem:)

canopfor on November 21, 2010 at 5:36 PM

I would have included Christie in that list as well, but I can’t abide an anti-gun President.

I empathize with the sentiment, but the practical reality on guns us that we won. Gun control laws aren’t holding up in court very well right now, and none but the bluest legislators dare propose new ones. As long as Christie limited his RINOism to guns, I’m not sure we’d even notice.

Fabozz on November 21, 2010 at 5:42 PM

I don’t know. Anymore I think a woman’s touch is needed to solve some of these problems.

unseen on November 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM

That’s why I said ‘manly view’. Palin’s no shrinking violet.

Lanceman on November 21, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Fabozz on November 21, 2010 at 5:42 PM

I agree. I said I’d support him if he won the primaries.

Lanceman on November 21, 2010 at 5:46 PM

I guess Christie will have to slit his wrists on live tv to prove he’s not running.

bigmike on November 21, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Unseen
Regan’s eleventh commandment

Caststeel on November 21, 2010 at 5:34 PM

is that a one way street?

Inanemergencydial on November 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM

It seems pretty obvious – Biden wants Palin as the opposition. Why else would he act like the fear of God is upon him?

Ya, he got caught flat-footed (as usual) when asked on Morning Joe and his true feelings were there to see – but since then he has had time to get his response reprogrammed.

Oopsdaisy on November 21, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Mrs. Palin is going to say “I think I know where you folks want us to be going, and I just don’t see that anybody else is paying any attention.”

Then she will stand up and say “Let’s roll”, and tens of millions of people are going to stand up with her, and they are going to kick Obama’s ass.

drunyan8315 on November 21, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Palin is the only Republican out there who zeroes in on Zero’s vulnerabilities and weak, indeed questionable, policies. Somehow by bypassing the MSM, which would filter or distort her remarks, she gets into the WH’s head and out into the general population’s awareness. Her attacks on this administration’s policies and priorities are pointed and accurate. That’s why they resonate with those who champion her.

onlineanalyst on November 21, 2010 at 7:29 PM

unseen on November 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Reich has a fairly good understanding of how/why Palin speaks for those who think that the system has ignored their concerns. Palin does not present the argument in an angry way though.

The Dems have been trying to paint their opposition as enemies motivated by fear and anger. While there may be fear in the general populace because poor economic policy, the weak job market, and the loss of savings, jobs, and homes don’t seem to be reversing, they are angry that the policy makers are playing with their lives and rewarding bad behavior. The anger and fear are not an inchoate lashing out; they are targeted against cavalier stupidity.

onlineanalyst on November 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

The Republican candidate is going to have to make smart, sharp attacks against Obama’s record while also minimizing the damage the media will try to inflict on his/her campaign. I don’t see Palin being the right person for the job at the moment. However, if she were to win the candidacy, then I hope she beats Obama of course.

gumble on November 21, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Are you HIGH?

My God, Palin has destroyed all credibility of the media in this country. She recently had the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal rip one of it’s own to shreds after the guy took her on.

Sarah Palin has a DEGREE in communications and JOURNALISM. She has effectively lectured the media on how to actually do their job, rather than what they are doing.

She has also mastered social media to a point that EVERY thing she writes is distributed to the world through the old corrupt media. She has effectively made them her slaves!

Hell, she tweeted the letter “P” the other day and the entire left wing went insane trying to figure out what it meant! I mean went CRAZY.

I think she did it just to play with them!

As for attacking Obama, she’s been doing that from day one. She was mad as hell when McCain made her hold back during the campaign! She wanted to turn it up to 11 on Ayers, Wright, Frank Marshall Davis, and so on.

All of the other GOPers are worried about being called a “racist” or some crap. Sarah is in a bi-racial marriage. Her children are bi-racial. You think charges of racism are going to bother her in the least? They haven’t so far, have they?

Sarah delights in her attacks against Obama. He has screwed with her since he has been in office. It was his hand picked thugs who attacked her in Alaska, filing bogus ethics complaints.

Obama attacked members of the ADF, WWII heroes, within days of taking office, and Sarah went to war with him over that. (and won)

Obama has also screwed with her baby, her gasline. That’s her signature achievement, and a much needed effort.

Sarah Palin, unlike the rest of the GOP show ponies sees Obama for what he is, pure evil. She will have absolutely no problem ripping him to shreds. And she’ll be smiling while she does it.

gary4205 on November 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM

What a great post, gary. You made my day. Insightful, informative and a blast!

Palin in ’12 or bust.

tigerlily on November 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Personally, I prefer cowboys in office. The job requires a manly view of the world.

Lanceman on November 21, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Couldn’t agree more. I just posted something about American men in the TSA thread: as in, where have all the cowboys gone?

But Palin Get Your Gun will work nicely, too. She’s got the mentality, if not the testosterone.

Grace_is_sufficient on November 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Truth: This time in the POTUS sweepstakes back in 2006, everyone thought it was going to be a Hillary vs Rudy contest.

While the smart money seems to believe that 2012 is going to be an Obama vs Palin battle, we all know that a LOT can happen between now and the next big election.

*If* Palin runs, the nomination is hers to lose, unless some coordinated effort is made to find a giant killer to take her out. Christie has already said he won’t run, and Perry says ditto as well.

No other Republican comes close to the power that Palin generates naturally. Democrats (along with most of the universe) are already throwing things at her while saying she isn’t relevant, isn’t qualified, isn’t popular, doesn’t matter, etc.

I’ll toss out my usual caveats for the millionth time: Palin is no goddess, not perfect, nor infallible. And I believe I can safely say that 98% of all the Palinistas would support the GOP nominee in the fall campaign if their preferred candidate never enters or doesn’t win the GOP primaries. Staying at home is not an option, not anymore, and certainly not with the current lot running the country.

The only thing *I* fear more than an Obama re-election is a Biden Presidency. Enough said.

itzWicks on November 21, 2010 at 8:34 PM

1)Biden: I won’t underestimate Palin
2)Do you think republicans fear her power as a candidate?
3)Do democrats fear she can defeat Obama?

1) You already have underestimated her.
2) Yes, they do!
3) See 2 above.

bluemarlin on November 21, 2010 at 8:35 PM

A fellow could get the idea that many of the Palineastas are looking less for a leader of the country and more for the next reverend Jim Jones.

Boxy_Brown on November 21, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Biden is telling the truth. This isn’t a gaffe. You see, Joe had his clock cleaned and his a$$ handed to him in a debate with the “half-term, nincompoop, stupid, corrupt ex-governor of Alaska”. He knows better than anyone what underestimating Sarah Palin can mean. Thanks for the honesty, Joe.

Dan Pet on November 21, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Perry says ditto as well

Perry will never go up against Sarah. Perry and Sarah are friends and she endorsed him over KBH. That is one person she won’t be up against.

Dan Pet on November 21, 2010 at 8:44 PM

I recall when in an interview she called Gore a demagogue.

Paul-Cincy on November 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM

I have to say I have seen almost EVERY interview with her and I don’t recall this. And if this really happened, it would have been played a million times. As Palin says all the time…STOP MAKING STUFF UP!!!

Dan Pet on November 21, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Good strategy, prop up the only candidate who could lose to Obama in 2012.

NoDonkey on November 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

As usual, NoDonkey, you troll, you are wrong. I saw a great quote from KellyAnne Conway, republican strategist, at the Alabama Policy Institute. She summed it up best and while I am not sure that she was even speaking of Sarah, I am sure that is who she meant. She said to the audience, “Now is not the time to worry about who can get elected. Now is the time to ask Who can lead?” And when you answer that question, there is ONLY ONE CHOICE: Palin.

Dan Pet on November 21, 2010 at 8:59 PM

A fellow could get the idea that many of the Palineastas are looking less for a leader of the country and more for the next reverend Jim Jones.

Boxy_Brown on November 21, 2010 at 8:36 PM

*shrug* So were the Obamabots, after a fashion. What they really wanted was a secular version of the Pope who gave proclamations of law and (race-based) morals from his ‘throne’.

“Make it so,” liberal fashion.

Dark-Star on November 21, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Sarah Palin must go into the primaries and do her job to debate and address all the issues.

No one should prevent her from doing that.

IF SHE WINS THE PRIMARY, ALL REPUBLICANS, CONSERVATIVES, ANTI-STATIST [Non-socialist Libertarian] AND FREEDOM-LOVING AMERICAN PEOPLE MUST SUPPORT HER TO TIL THE END AND DEFEAT OBAMA IN 2012!

So, shame on al Republican pundits who have put the Republican Party into “great danger” by writing memes against Republican and Conservative candidates … that includes Romney, Huck, Barbour, Daniels, …. and of course, Sarah Palin.

TheAlamos on November 21, 2010 at 9:13 PM

A fellow could get the idea that many of the Palineastas are looking less for a leader of the country and more for the next reverend Jim Jones.

Boxy_Brown on November 21, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Many Americans have awakened to the fact that they currently have a Jim Jones in the WH in the form of ObaMao. They are rejecting the KoolAid.

onlineanalyst on November 21, 2010 at 9:18 PM

OT Just as an aside: Dick Lugar must go. We don’t need any Cornyns telling us that this out-to-lunch RINO has not exceeded his sell-by date and that we have to support incumbents.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704170404575624664226055500.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_BelowLEFTSecond

Lugar is more sympathetic to “progressive” Dem points of view.

onlineanalyst on November 21, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Unlike other GOP people or candidates, you can be assured if she does run and doesn’t win she will get behind the nominee and work to make sure he/she wins.

SouthernGent on November 21, 2010 at 9:43 PM

Final take:

O’Biden is so gaffeistic!

OF COURSE, SARAH PALIN DEFEATED A WASHINGTON VETERAN O-BIDEN IN 2008 VP DEBATE!

And somehow, we all forgot about that!

TheAlamos on November 21, 2010 at 9:51 PM

A fellow could get the idea that many of the Palineastas are looking less for a leader of the country and more for the next reverend Jim Jones.

Boxy_Brown on November 21, 2010 at 8:36 PM

*shrug* So were the Obamabots, after a fashion.

Dark-Star on November 21, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Indeed! They were. Not working out too well for them IMHO.

“Many Americans have awakened to the fact that they currently have a Jim Jones in the WH in the form of ObaMao. They are rejecting the KoolAid.

onlineanalyst on November 21, 2010 at 9:18 PM”

Yes they are. Thank God. I hope we can replace him by electing an effective leader for this beleaguered country.

Boxy_Brown on November 21, 2010 at 9:57 PM

she is the only republican among the 2012 field, that generates any excitement and has the most ardent of fans

Which, at this stage, just means she is an unqualified celeb. Just like Obama.

Obama had the media at his feet, though. Palin has the media at her throat.

She isn’t running anyway.

Moesart on November 21, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Biden is telling the truth. This isn’t a gaffe. You see, Joe had his clock cleaned and his a$$ handed to him in a debate with the “half-term, nincompoop, stupid, corrupt ex-governor of Alaska”. He knows better than anyone what underestimating Sarah Palin can mean. Thanks for the honesty, Joe.

Dan Pet on November 21, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Your in my head!
What was amazing about that debate is OBiden just made stuff up, Foreign policy stuff, he lied repeatedly, and, or got stuff wrong so often that it was a tribute to Sarah to stay on message and answer questions because had she addressed his lies, gaffes, and make believe she would have never gotten a meesage out and would have looked mean and rude in that debate format!

Obidens fantasyland lack of basic foreign policy was truely frightening and the media fact checkers tried their best to cover for the buffoon!

Sarah Kicked his ass!

dhunter on November 21, 2010 at 10:05 PM

O-BIDEN
TheAlamos on November 21, 2010 at 9:51 PM

You listened, I bet many posting here did not and certainly most of her detractors did not!
She Kicked OBidens ass.
Not sure I have ever witnessed such an ass kicking as OBiden recieved that night!

dhunter on November 21, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Which, at this stage, just means she is an unqualified celeb. Just like Obama.

Obama had the media at his feet, though. Palin has the media at her throat.

She isn’t running anyway.

Moesart on November 21, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Your tears are the sweetest yet.

gary4205 on November 21, 2010 at 10:49 PM

Unlike other GOP people or candidates, you can be assured if she does run and doesn’t win she will get behind the nominee and work to make sure he/she wins.

SouthernGent

Absolutely. And if she does win the nomination, get ready for SORE LOSER SYNDROME from MITTENS OR THUNE OR ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE X. It is the establishment candidate that will mount a 3rd party or independent bid in the mold of LESA MURCROTCHSKI, Charlie “the orange one” Christ or RINO Extrodinaire, Mike Castle.

Dan Pet on November 21, 2010 at 11:19 PM

A fellow could get the idea that many of the Palineastas are looking less for a leader of the country and more for the next reverend Jim Jones.

Boxy_Brown on November 21, 2010 at 8:36 PM

*shrug* So were the Obamabots, after a fashion. What they really wanted was a secular version of the Pope who gave proclamations of law and (race-based) morals from his ‘throne’.

“Make it so,” liberal fashion.

Dark-Star on November 21, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Jim Jones was a radical communist, he had far more in common with Bammie and his typical hangers-on Anita Dunn, Bill Ayers, and Van Jones than he did with any Republican. He would have been right at home in Jeremiah Wright’s ‘church’.

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2010 at 11:49 PM

Keep an eye on the Bushies and you will be able to tell who they’re going to try and foist off on us for our candidate. Saw Ari Fleischer on some show a couple of days ago and when asked who his candidate would be he said Mitch Daniels or John Thune.

silvernana on November 21, 2010 at 11:50 PM

It’s not the Bush Presidency, the Rove Presidency, the Charen Presidency, the Krauthammer Presidency or even the “Un-named Sources” Presidency – It’s the We The People’s Presidency and we will decide.

Done That on November 22, 2010 at 5:57 AM

Yea, Sarah Palin can’t talk without using a teleprompter, whines about the media hounding her when she’s out buying ice cream, a waffle or shrimp. Ohhhh wait….

Sheriff Joe, the man accountable for the corruption of stimulus mony, the man who claimed they will hold the house a few weeks ago is the man to ask about “estimating” Palins chances?

dthorny on November 22, 2010 at 7:08 AM

We find the use of Palinastas by boxy telling. When you fear it label it. The smell of fear to us freedom loving Americans is great. Sarah is her own person not beholden to any group other than the American voters.She is able to relate to people and has a sense of humor,when crossed she speaks out. The pansy left has no idea, or ideas we like,so the hacks use labels,name calling. to deal with a real woman.Sarah can hang the trophy wives out to dry,these gals sold out for money and they know who they are. As for Barbara Bush she is honest and may simply know that as W likes the ranch in Crawford Shara loves her home.
The last round of upests has shown us that the GOP establishment had better get caught up with what the voters want or they will continue to fall farthur behind and slip into irrelevancy. We have a new State Senator who admits he was surprised he won over an entrenched type but now that he is in will do his best. Sarah represents a huge threat to the GOP and the dumb bastards are really gonna hurt themselves if the do not accept her and work with her to whip o or hill.We really think cornan would rather be senator than help win for all of TEXAS and America. John boy also needs to know he is gonna get primaried big time along with Kay whom we kinda like.It is time for the old order of GOP to go with gracefulness.All the potential Republican contenders would make a fairly good cabinet for Sarah and sure as hell would beat the current crop of ivy wimps.
We are not PALINASTAS as this is The UNITED STATES of AMERICA not messiko,WE are PATRIOTS who will take our country back,we do not crave a new Che, o, a Dictador, el hombre la cabeza.

¿Entiendes, boxy?

Col.John Wm. Reed on November 22, 2010 at 7:59 AM

I believe the technical term is ‘misunderestimate’.

bitsy on November 22, 2010 at 8:52 AM

This is BS. I saw him on Morning Joe, and he virtually sneered and then said, “I’m going to get into trouble here.”

He has virtually no respect for her, and he does underestimate her.

AnninCA on November 22, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Palin: where the Bush hate went.

BHO Jonestown on November 23, 2010 at 3:53 AM

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