Harper Collins sues Gawker for publishing excerpts of Palin’s book Update: Judge orders Gawker to pull down excerpts

posted at 1:30 pm on November 20, 2010 by Cubachi

Isn’t this interesting?

The malicious left-wing site Gawker, thought it would be rather comical to publish excerpts of Sarah Palin’s new book America By Heart: Reflections on Family, Faith and Flag, mocking Palin and her opinions. The book is not for sale until Tuesday, yet Gawker received these excerpts from the Trig Truther site Palingates.

Sarah Palin rightfully had concerns about their misinterpretation of the contents of the book, and for publishing excerpts without permission from her publisher Harper Collins. Gawker ridiculed Palin’s concerns.

Guess who is having the last laugh?

Publisher Harper Collins filed a legal complaint against Gawker for publicizing pages of Palin’s book.

More from the Associated Press:

The legal complaint was filed Friday in federal court in Manhattan, said a spokeswoman for Harper Collins Publishers. The filing came two days after Gawker published images of 21 of the book’s pages and its dedication page. In response, Palin tweeted, “Isn’t that illegal?”

Her publisher contends it is. The lawsuit asks that Gawker be banned from what it terms “further copyright infringement” and that Gawker deliver the source material to the publisher so it can be destroyed. HarperCollins is also seeking financial damages.

Does this prove Gawker did anything wrong? No. But Harper Collins did send a letter to the site asking for them to remove the excerpts to no avail. We’ll see how this case unfolds.

Sarah Palin just posted on her Facebook an excerpt of her book.

Update: Today, a federal judge ordered Gawker to pull down unauthorized excerpts from Sarah Palin’s book, “America By Heart,” until a hearing November 30.

A two-page order signed Saturday by U.S. District Judge Thomas P. Griesa, who sits in Manhattan, says: “Gawker is temporarily retrained and enjoined from continuing to distribute, publish or otherwise transmit pages” of the book.

Cross-posted at www.Cubachi.com


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awww, gary is pretending not to see he got owned by the truth about Sarah’s “national security creds”

lets review the poor little trolls fantasies…

You DO realize Sarah shared command and control of her National Guard with the US Military, right? She also had complete command and control of the Alaska Defense Force. (these are the cats who fought the Japanese in WWII when they invaded Alaska)
gary4205 on November 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Again, thanks to Alaska’s unique and strategic location, Palin held one of the highest levels of national security clearances, and was well informed about the goings on.
In fact, her clearance level was much higher than anything either Obama or Biden would have had as mere Senators.

gary4205 on November 20, 2010 at 3:32 PM

the truth

Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard, considers Palin “extremely responsive and smart” and says she is in charge when it comes to in-state services, such as emergencies and natural disasters where the National Guard is the first responder.

But, in an interview with The Associated Press on Sunday, he said he and Palin play no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92TFESG3&show_article=1&catnum=3

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 4:43 PM

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Good old Windsockpuppet. You’ve posted easily discredited BS before.

There’s a great interview with Craig Campbell on YT with Greta. He calls Sarah Palin the best Commander-in-Chief he ever served under. Said she pretty much inhaled ever bit of info out there about the Guard, and was very tuned into their needs.

Greta grills the hell out of him about Sarah’s experience as C-I-C. This is before Greta knew her.

It’s on You Tube.

THIS, is what Uncle Jimbo at Blackfive had to say quite some time back:

One area of Sarah Palin’s background that may help her is Alaska’s unique role in our national security and homeland defense. . . . info jibes with the record.

Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It’s on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.

As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden’s. She’s also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security’s counterterrorism plans. Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country’s defense. Given Alaska’s proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don’t even know about.

According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets. She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is. . . . her experience in keeping the homeland safe fits perfectly with her image as the competent American woman.

It’s not the same as having your finger on the button, but it a heckuva lot closer than Biden or Barry O has ever been. It will be tremendous fun to watch a couple of complete political tools like the Hope&Change duo attempt to attack a record of substance not words, a record of action not bloviation, a record of kicking ass and taking names against what now…….?

Read more:

http://www.zimbio.com/Missile+Shield/articles/80/Sarah+Palin+National+Security+Clearance+Status

As I said, Sarah had SHARED command and control of the Guard and complete command and control of the ADF, which is a reserve police and military unit that can be deployed in emergencies such as disasters, law enforcement issues, OR military issues.

They are a federally recognize militia, and part of Homeland Security’s overall game plan SHOULD something happen, like Russia deciding to attack. Again, it was the ADF (under another name) that defended Alaska when the Japanese invaded in WWII.

This brings us to the very first knock down drag out fight Sarah Palin had with “President” Barack Obama.

Within DAYS of becoming “President” Obama decided to single out the surviving WWII members of the ADF, and cut off their pensions.

Now these heroes who saved Alaska, were NOT paid soldiers. They were volunteers. Mostly Eskimos. After decades of trying, Ted Stevens, and others FINALLY secured pensions for these heroes. Not very big ones, but SOMETHING. It was the LEAST a grateful nation could do.

Anyhow, there are only a handful of these heroes left, but for what could only be spite, Obama PERSONALLY decided to cut off their pensions.

As one can imagine, Sarah tore into him, AFTER she made sure these brave men would get their money from the state, if necessary, while she went to war with Obama.

She gathered up Alaska’s congressional delegation and told them to get busy.

Obama lost. The members of the ADF are getting their military pensions again.

This is a very telling story. It tells you just what a sorry, petty, pathetic excuse for a human being Barack Obama is, and it shows you what Sarah is made of.

I have no way of knowing this, but somehow I suspect this is exactly what made Sarah’s mind up to take this long-legged mack daddy out.

It wasn’t long after this that she started hammering him on almost a daily basis and has never stopped.

gary4205 on November 20, 2010 at 4:56 PM

And by “America,” you mean creeps and liars such as yourself and Blake, among a few others?

Force-dominating other people as to their opinions reveals your own as weak. Here I’ve consistently supported and praised Palin on many an occasion and you malign even me.

Are you a Ron Pauler? I ask because that’s the rather typical behavior on the internet that most if not all the Ron Paulers displayed for years about everyone else. I’m sorry you all are hurting Palin with your nonsense and immature rants.

Lourdes on November 20, 2010 at 4:20 PM

You’re the one ranting like a fool, talking about “phantom posts” that don’t show up and stuff.

YOU are the one who sounds like one of the loons who worship at the alter of Ron Paul.

BTW, I apologized to your ignorant ass once, what else do you want, you over emotional, irrational fool?

Does it bother you that I have a strong opinion?

Does it bother you that I’m not some squish who fantasizes about imaginary perfect candidates while the nation self destructs before our very eyes?

Maybe you should walk away from fantasy land and get in touch with reality. Our Republic is in BIG trouble. So far, there is only one Leader who is trying to save it. If that bothers you, then maybe you should try and lead yourself instead of caterwauling on the internet.

This is serious stuff not dungeons and dragons.

We are at war for the soul of this nation. It’s time now to choose sides and do battle. You are either part of the solution, or part of the problem.

gary4205 on November 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM

mmmmmmm mmmmmmmm Palin koolaid

yep, Campbell tried to walkback what he said after palin misteriously promoted him after the AP article

but he didn’t walkback this statement

But, in an interview with The Associated Press on Sunday, he said he and Palin play no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.

what part of “no role in national defense activities, entire operation under federal control, governor is not briefed on situations” do you not understand?

you are a joke and also a nasty little troll

stop the lies bot

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Of course, the AP headline today is “Palin book criticizes JFK.” Gotta hit those Boomers where they live! I refused to even read the article.

rockmom on November 20, 2010 at 2:11 PM

“Palin takes shots at JFK” I presume…

the_nile on November 20, 2010 at 2:15 PM

How about “Palin takes aim at JFK” or “Palin unloads on JFK”? Next thing you know, the MSM will be claiming Sarah was the second gunman.

Kevin71 on November 20, 2010 at 5:15 PM

gary4205 on November 20, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Nice.

“I love the smell of pwned in the evening… smells like victory.”

Akzed on November 20, 2010 at 5:30 PM

After Palin and Harper Collins won, how much of the total asset of Gawker can they lay their hands on? It is more likely than not the Gawker is another lefty of limited means.

bayview on November 20, 2010 at 5:41 PM

How about “Palin takes aim at JFK” or “Palin unloads on JFK”? Next thing you know, the MSM will be claiming Sarah was the second gunman.

Kevin71 on November 20, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Back and to the Left, back and to the Left.

darwin-t on November 20, 2010 at 5:46 PM

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Link please.

darwin on November 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM

How about “Palin takes aim at JFK” or “Palin unloads on JFK”? Next thing you know, the MSM will be claiming Sarah was the second gunman.

Kevin71 on November 20, 2010 at 5:15 PM

“Sarah Palin is the reincarnation of Lee Harvey Oswald.”

mizflame98 on November 20, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Link please.

darwin on November 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM

I’m thinking DKos or MediaMatters. Maybe Politifact, which specializes in covering Obama’s butt.

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Palin haters are amazing. Apparently some of them have convinced themselves that, as long as they are attacking Sarah Palin, the law doesn’t apply to them.

First there was that kid David Kernell, who just got sentenced to a year in jail for breaking into Sarah’s private email account and publishing her emails online. Somebody decided to send Bristol Palin, care of Dancing With The Stars, a letter with white powder on it. Now Gawker decided it would be cute and funny to publish parts of her book before the book itself is even released — without permission from Sarah or from the publisher.

I’m sure I’m missing a couple thousand other incidents like this. I’m also sure that this isn’t the last time somebody decides that the law doesn’t (or ought not to) protect Sarah Palin or her family.

Aitch748 on November 20, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Gawker gets refudiated.

You betcha!

profitsbeard on November 20, 2010 at 7:06 PM

Gawker needs new legal counsel. Publishing excerpts of a book that hasn’t been released and to which they have no rights (i.e., stolen, copyrighted material) is not within the parameters of the fair use doctrine. I hope HarperCollins sues these trolls right out of business.

NoLeftTurn on November 20, 2010 at 7:20 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9JK687G0&show_article=1

Huh. I guess a judge ruled in her favor.

di butler on November 20, 2010 at 7:27 PM

Link please.

darwin on November 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM

I’m thinking DKos or MediaMatters. Maybe Politifact, which specializes in covering Obama’s butt.

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM

I posted the link above, it’s in special purple letters so you can’t miss it

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92TFESG3&show_article=1&catnum=3

breitbart.com, just another filthy rino LSM establishment site :)

more here:

And while the Alaska National Guard operates a launch site for a US anti-missile system at Fort Greely, about 100 miles south of Fairbanks, the Alaskan governor is not in the site’s chain of command and has no authority over its operations, according to Maj. Gen. Craig E. Campbell, the adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard who commands the roughly 3,800 state militia members.

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Harper Collins have all reasons to make a statement by this case.

the_nile on November 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM

You betcha’. One hopes their attorneys remind Gawker of what Palin had to endure at the hands of the Democrats.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 7:39 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9JK687G0&show_article=1

Huh. I guess a judge ruled in her favor.

di butler on November 20, 2010 at 7:27 PM

I got a 404 (not found) error trying to access the pages. They didn’t even put in a placeholder page, and just let the webserver default its error handling. Crappy webmaster — you never totally remove any web content in this modern age of Google.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 7:43 PM

And while the Alaska National Guard operates a launch site for a US anti-missile system at Fort Greely, about 100 miles south of Fairbanks, the Alaskan governor is not in the site’s chain of command and has no authority over its operations, according to Maj. Gen. Craig E. Campbell, the adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard who commands the roughly 3,800 state militia members.

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 7:35 PM

I’m at a loss here. What’s the point you are trying to make about this particular installation? Are you trying to generalize from one specific installation to the entire Alaska National Guard?

The Governor’s authority over the Guard is detailed here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_National_Guard

How General Campbell views Sarah Palin is viewable here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OLtHdJ_gUk

Even here, she had far more experience than the top of the opposing ticket in 2008.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 7:43 PM

I’m still able to access the article – here’s the link again…

Missy on November 20, 2010 at 7:54 PM

I’m still able to access the article – here’s the link again…

Missy on November 20, 2010 at 7:54 PM

I’m not talking about the Breitbart site — I’m talking about the Gawker site.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Fair Use rule of thumb is five paragraphs and commentary.

SurferDoc on November 20, 2010 at 2:19 PM

I’ll confirm that rule of thumb. I do some freelance editing from time to time and I am required to flag any excerpt longer than five paragraphs for the managing editor while I am going through the manuscript so the publisher can arrange to get permission for the reprint. This is the case whether the excerpted material comes from a 3000-word magazine article or a 900-page book. Sometimes the permissions get waived, but you have to ask regardless. Sorry, but I think 21 pages is a little excessive.

Also, as to when the copyright kicks in, when I was working in house for a publisher, it was my job to order the copyright from the copyright office. We did this well in advance of the release date so we could have it printed in the galley pages. As I recollect, we had to provide a tentative publication date, but it is well understood those dates move around a lot during the production process so in no way is the copyright tied to the release date. In fact, many authors will register their work with the copyright office even before they start shopping their book around to publishers for the express purpose of protecting their work from being stolen. So you definitely do not need to be published and on the shelves to have a copyright on your work.

NoLeftTurn on November 20, 2010 at 7:59 PM

I’m still able to access the article – here’s the link again…

Missy on November 20, 2010 at 7:54 PM

…sorry for not making the context clearer. After reading the Breitbart article, I immediately tried to reference Gawker’s Maureen O’Keefe article on Palin’s book. That article has been torn out of the Internet, so to speak. I’m trying to find it in the Wayback Machine, but it doesn’t seem to be there either. That’s good.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 8:00 PM

So you definitely do not need to be published and on the shelves to have a copyright on your work.

NoLeftTurn on November 20, 2010 at 7:59 PM

I’m not sure you even need to have registered a copyright for a copyright to be in effect. It would be interesting if you know what the advantages are to registration over the form of copyright that exists for a work-in-progress.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 8:02 PM

I posted the link above, it’s in special purple letters so you can’t miss it

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92TFESG3&show_article=1&catnum=3

breitbart.com, just another filthy rino LSM establishment site :)

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Oh, OK. It’s a link to an AP article.

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 8:06 PM

^ Which, by the way, is not much different from DKos.

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Sarah Palin received briefings on Russian jet incursions.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 7:54 PM

from your link

In a final effort to provide details of her experience on Russia, Palin suggested to Couric that Russian leaders fly over Alaskan territory when they travel to the U.S.

“As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska,” Palin said. “It’s just right over the border.”

But when Russian leaders travel to the United States from Moscow, such as when then Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visited the White House in 2005, their flights travel on a westerly path over the Atlantic, thousands of miles from Alaskan airspace. .

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Oh, OK. It’s a link to an AP article.

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 8:06 PM

^ Which, by the way, is not much different from DKos.

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 8:07 PM

you do realize that the article at breitbart stating that a judge has ruled in Palin’s favor re: Gawker is also from AP
don’t you?

Palinbot world…AP is like DKos except when it isn’t

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:24 PM

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Being I am from Alaska, and know the Gov is in charge of the National Guard… as they are not Federal in Alaska… please specify a link in which states this. Until then… you are blowing wind over a turd.

upinak on November 20, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Being I am from Alaska, and know the Gov is in charge of the National Guard… as they are not Federal in Alaska… please specify a link in which states this. Until then… you are blowing wind over a turd.

upinak on November 20, 2010 at 8:29 PM

nice call to authority but Im going with what the Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard says:

he considers Palin “extremely responsive and smart” and says she is in charge when it comes to in-state services, such as emergencies and natural disasters where the National Guard is the first responder.

But, in an interview with The Associated Press on Sunday, he said he and Palin play no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:40 PM

you do realize that the article at breitbart stating that a judge has ruled in Palin’s favor re: Gawker is also from AP
don’t you?

Palinbot world…AP is like DKos except when it isn’t

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:24 PM

Yeah, if the AP states that the official unemployment figure is 9.6%, I take them at their word since it’s verifiable in other places. If they say that Palin’s actually unqualified because she was only a governor and had no interaction with the National Guard in her state, I take that as shilling for Obama. Get it?

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 8:42 PM

nice call to authority but Im going with what the Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard says:

You mean the man who asnswered to Palin, when he was serving in the NGA? LMFAO! Keep trying…

BTW where is that link?

upinak on November 20, 2010 at 8:46 PM

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 8:42 PM

yeah she didn’t have any interaction. None.. hmmm so I guess sending them down to the border to help build it doesn’t count.

This guy is all wind.. over a turd. Plug your nose.

upinak on November 20, 2010 at 8:48 PM

from your link

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Beside the point, which is:

In her role as Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin has received briefings on Russian military plane incursions near Alaskan airspace, an Alaska National Guard spokesman confirms to CBS News.

Game over. And it’s a friggin’ 2 year old game at that.

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Yeah, if the AP states that the official unemployment figure is 9.6%, I take them at their word since it’s verifiable in other places. If they say that Palin’s actually unqualified because she was only a governor and had no interaction with the National Guard in her state, I take that as shilling for Obama. Get it?

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 8:42 PM

way to beat up on the non existant strawman

I never said palin had no interaction with national guard, I just cited the Maj General of Alaskan guard saying she plays no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.

This was in response to another Palin droid trying to pass off Palin as having a command and control function in the military aspect of the Guard

try to keep up mmmkay?

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:09 PM

I deliberately chose CBS News, even though they detest Palin, because I figured it would be an acceptable source to you.

Buried in the commentary are facts which are not hidden from anyone’s eyes.

From the CBS article, we obtain that the Governor of Alaska is indeed briefed on violations of the State’s airspace by Russian military planes. As to whether she can do anything about it — well, that’s a different story.

“As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska,” Palin said. “It’s just right over the border.”

You interpret that as Putin flying to the United States. I view that statement, given the “rears his head” portion, as meaning that the Russians, when they choose to violate United States airspace, choose to do so over Alaska. In other words, I view “Putin rears his head” as the Palin’s personification of Russia rattling sabers, while you are deliberately shortening the phrase to just “Putin” and choosing the most advantageous interpretation for your side.

It’s what my kids used to do when they were young, and it’s something that liberals, yourself included, apparently practice as adults.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

way to beat up on the non existant strawman

I never said palin had no interaction with national guard, I just cited the Maj General of Alaskan guard saying she plays no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.
This was in response to another Palin droid trying to pass off Palin as having a command and control function in the military aspect of the Guard

try to keep up mmmkay?

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Where is the link I asked you to PROVIDE saying the Alaskan Gov is not the head of the Alaska National Guard? And show me where the Alaska National Guard… went Federal? I am still waiting and this will be the last time as you will be asked as you seem to be proven… a turd.

Keep it up, the waft can be smelled across the nation.

upinak on November 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM

In her role as Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin has received briefings on Russian military plane incursions near Alaskan airspace, an Alaska National Guard spokesman confirms to CBS News.

Game over. And it’s a friggin’ 2 year old game at that.

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

big whoop, somebody told her the Russsians did a flyby as a courtesy, next your going to tell us she was consulted on how to respond

face it, Palin has zero military and foreign policy experience, she didn’t even have a passport until 2006, doesn’t mean she can’t run for president, just don’t make stuff up

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM

I just cited the Maj General of Alaskan guard saying she plays no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

You did indeed say that, and you are wrong. What General Campbell said was that Governor Palin was not briefed on activities associated with a certain defense installation associated with anti-ballistic missile defense which is run by the 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard, not on all defense activities. Read his words carefully. Now, go to the CBS News article I presented you, which you are apparently ignoring, and read it again. Listen to General Campbell talking about Governor Palin on YouTube, and see the role she does indeed play in the Guard.

By the way, the installation to which he refers is a tip-off radar which operates as part of a Government network. One wouldn’t expect the Governor of Alaska to be briefed on operations of the radar, but one would certainly expect her to be briefed should a test launch of an ABM be scheduled to occur from Alaska.

Of course Governor Palin had no ability to order intercept of Russian planes or to have them shot down or forced to ground, as those activities fall within the US Government’s realm.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 9:11 PM

big whoop, somebody told her the Russsians did a flyby as a courtesy, next your going to tell us she was consulted on how to respond

face it, Palin has zero military and foreign policy experience, she didn’t even have a passport until 2006, doesn’t mean she can’t run for president, just don’t make stuff up

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM

The Russians have been doing fly bys for years. They like to see how far they can come into Alaskan Airspace.. which is American Airspace… for a moron such as yourself doesn’t seem to grasp. Those fly bys aren’t in a treaty and can be used for “war”. I guess that never crossed your mind either.

Since the AIR FORCE asks the ANG to take care of the “Fly By’s” as it would cost MORE for the Air Force to intercept them.. who the hell do you think they call to have the ANG go out and intercept them? I will give you 2 guesses, but you will screw it up.

Hmmmm I guess someone lost the wind in their sail. Must be bad air.

upinak on November 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Of course Governor Palin had no ability to order intercept of Russian planes or to have them shot down or forced to ground, as those activities fall within the US Government’s realm.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 9:11 PM

She did as did Lt Gov Parnell. You just never hear about it in the News.

Either way… waft is wrong, and he knows it.

upinak on November 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM

The Russians have been doing fly bys for years. They like to see how far they can come into Alaskan Airspace.. which is American Airspace… for a moron such as yourself doesn’t seem to grasp. Those fly bys aren’t in a treaty and can be used for “war”. I guess that never crossed your mind either.

Since the AIR FORCE asks the ANG to take care of the “Fly By’s” as it would cost MORE for the Air Force to intercept them.. who the hell do you think they call to have the ANG go out and intercept them? I will give you 2 guesses, but you will screw it up.

Hmmmm I guess someone lost the wind in their sail. Must be bad air.

upinak on November 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM

seems upinak the alaskan and Palin are confused about what constitutes US airspace

Gov. Sarah Palin cites vigilance against Russian warplanes coming into U.S. airspace over Alaska as one of her foreign-policy credentials. But the U.S. military command in charge says that hasn’t happened in her 21 months in office.

“When you consider even national-security issues with Russia, as [Prime Minister Vladimir] Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where — where do they go? It’s Alaska,” the Republican vice-presidential nominee said in an interview last week with CBS News’ Katie Couric.

The air-defense identification zone, almost completely over water, extends 12 miles past the perimeter of the United States. Most nations have similar areas.

However, no Russian military planes have been flying into that zone, said Maj. Allen Herritage, a spokesman for the Alaska region of the North American Aerospace Defense Command, at Elmendorf Air Force Base near Anchorage.

“To be very clear, there has not been any incursion in U.S. airspace in recent years,” Herritage said.

What Palin might have been referring to was a buffer zone of airspace that extends beyond the 12-mile strip. Although not recognized internationally as the United States’ to protect, the military watches it.

That zone is where there has been increased Russian bomber exercises, about 20 in the past two years. When Russian bombers enter that expanded area, sometimes called the outer air-defense identification zone by the military, U.S. or Canadian fighter jets are dispatched to check them, Herritage said

Herritage said Air Force officials discussed with Palin instances of Russian planes entering the buffer zone and the U.S. response during their annual briefing in February.

It could not be determined how many times Palin had been notified in real time of Russian planes having entered the buffer zone.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008217813_palinairspace01.html

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 9:37 PM

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 9:37 PM

up in ak. Self Expalnitory I think… obviously you do not.

I guess you think I meant a “news” link.. I am talking a freaking .GOV or .AK link. Or do you think the media runs Alaska?

Get the hint?

upinak on November 20, 2010 at 9:54 PM

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 9:37 PM

12 miles is awfully close, don’t you think? At about 500MPH (cruising speed of the TU95MS), it’s less than 1.5 minutes to the Alaskan shoreline. Of course, since the MS variant is a cruise missile carrier and not a bomber, that particular, statistic doesn’t have all the urgency it used to. But 16 intercepts in 2009 indicate that the Putin is definitely rearing his head.

You have been reduced to nit-picking to make your point.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2010 at 10:02 PM

The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

big whoop, somebody told her the Russsians did a flyby as a courtesy,

windansea on November 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM

LOL…I assume you understand what “briefings” are. Try to keep up, mmmmmkay?

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 11:21 PM

As a former guardsman, I have to say there are some who do not understand the chain of command. As a general rule national security is a federal matter while emergencies (floods, hurricanes) fall under the state COC. Obviously some here never served in the military. Granted, the line is blurred a lot between the two (for reasons that are apparently not clear to everyone), but for those who served the distinction is clear. Prime example: when the MN Guard was sent to Iraq we were sent by Bush (feds), not Gov Pawlenty. But when we were deployed to the Red River for flood control we were sent by Gov Pawlenty (state). Many of you do not have your facts right.

Logboy on November 20, 2010 at 11:23 PM

Many of you do not have your facts right.

Logboy on November 20, 2010 at 11:23 PM

How about you state who. Some of us understand OUR state and OUR AGN and NG very well.

upinak on November 20, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Many of you do not have your facts right.

Logboy on November 20, 2010 at 11:23 PM

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that Palin was responsible for deploying AK National Guard troops overseas. That’s the troll’s strawman argument.

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 11:29 PM

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that Palin was responsible for deploying AK National Guard troops overseas. That’s the troll’s strawman argument.

ddrintn on November 20, 2010 at 11:29 PM

There are a few trying to make various points who have limited understanding of who does what, and who is in charge. Technically speaking, the Gov is the CIC of their state’s National Guard. Does that mean the governor is the only one issuing orders? No. Technically speaking, the Gov could say no to a federal request for guard troops for federal duty, like Iraq, but it will never really happen.

The National Guard is like the child of two divorced parents, one State and one Federal. Both have the authority to tell the Guard what to do. Both have a general realm that they operate in in regards to who does what (national defense vs. state emergencies, etc). And yes, there is a lot of squabbling over the whole affair (who will pay for border enforcement, national defense operations within a home state, etc). Both parties are generally (but not always) kept in the loop to varying degrees throughout various assignments, even if the particular agenda at hand is not in their realm of normal operations. Again, the line is pretty blurry.

Here’s another confusing example. Why does Governor Brewer in AZ keep asking Obama to send Guard troops to the border when she has her own she can send?

A good and further confusing rundown of the guard is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States

and here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_National_Guard_of_the_United_States

Logboy on November 21, 2010 at 1:00 AM

face it, Palin has zero military and foreign policy experience, she didn’t even have a passport until 2006, doesn’t mean she can’t run for president, just don’t make stuff up
windansea on November 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM

that’s why Allen West will nicely round out the ticket

meanwhile obamas holes are filled by biden

lofl

Sonosam on November 21, 2010 at 1:15 AM

meanwhile obamas holes are filled by biden

lofl

Sonosam on November 21, 2010 at 1:15 AM

I think you have that wrong. Biden makes the holes, and then someone else in the Administration needs to fill them. On a day where the top of the news was the dispatch of Abrams tanks to Afghanistan, Biden talked about the training wheels coming off.

So, the White House had to explain that the training wheels were being replaced by linked tracks, and that years are now longer than they appear.

unclesmrgol on November 21, 2010 at 1:39 AM

Palin is a right wing Barack Obama. Just because I agree with her views, doesn’t mean I disregard her complete lack of readiness to be president.

NoDonkey on November 20, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Palin is the polar opposite of Obama, so how can she be a “right wing Obama?”

The only reason you say that is to try to diminish her. It has no bearing in actual fact.

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 21, 2010 at 3:59 AM

sue these chumps for all their worth

sbvft contributor on November 21, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Gawker’s lawyer is smiling. He just paid that sailboat off. Now he’ll see if he get his kid’s graduate school money. Smart move, Gawker.

SurferDoc on November 21, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Palin is the polar opposite of Obama, so how can she be a “right wing Obama?”

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 21, 2010 at 3:59 AM

You do realize that you just answered your own question? A “right wing Obama” is the opposite of a “left wing Obama”.

And that’s what she is, right down to skin color. About the only shared trait is that they’re cheerleaders promoted way beyond their pay grade.

Dark-Star on November 21, 2010 at 4:28 PM

And that’s what she is, right down to skin color. About the only shared trait is that they’re cheerleaders promoted way beyond their pay grade.

Dark-Star on November 21, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Not quite. As Mayor of Wasilla, she assured that, as her city grew 3x in population over the seven years she was in office, no lessening or lose of city services followed. Mr. Obama had no equivalent experience at any level.

Their other shared trait was that they were compared to each other by the left — while Joe Biden was ignored. The Journolist people were so alarmed at her qualifications over Obama that they started a concerted effort to bring her down.

unclesmrgol on November 21, 2010 at 5:23 PM

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