Time for Holder to go

posted at 9:30 am on November 18, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Let’s face it.  Barack Obama and Eric Holder gambled their entire national-security credibility on the Ahmed “Foopie” Ghailani trial, arguing that they could get convictions of detainees captured abroad by military and intelligence assets while using federal courts as a venue rather than the military commissions that Congress repeatedly authorized for that purpose.  Holder scolded critics who pointed out all of the reasons that such a strategy was much more likely to fail for “politicizing” the process, especially in regard to the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, whose case is more problematic than Ghailani’s, where the FBI did a large part of the investigation before intelligence assets were used to seize and interrogate Ghailani.

The failure of Holder’s DoJ to win anything more than a single conspiracy count against Ghailani as a result of using a process designed for domestic criminals than wartime enemies shows that the critics had it right all along.  It also shows that both Obama and Holder have been proven spectacularly wrong, since a man who confessed to the murder of over two hundred people will now face as little as 20 years, with a big chunk of whatever sentence Foopie receives being reduced by time already served.

The administration is left with three choices in regards to Ghailani: announce that they will release him at the appointed date whenever his sentence ends, announce that they will hold him indefinitely without regard to the court’s ruling on the matter while referring the case back to a military commission despite his acquittals, or refuse to state which they will do and hope the issue falls to the next administration.  The first will mean that the US will knowingly release a master al-Qaeda terrorist with more than two hundred murders under his belt; the second will mean that the trial they staged was nothing but a sham.  And the third will be a cowardly dodge.

Such is the state in which Holder as Attorney General has left the US.  Either the US is so inept that it will eventually release a man who attacked two of its embassies abroad (which was an act of war by al-Qaeda) or that the DoJ may commit an impeachable act by knowingly submitting a defendant to double jeopardy, whether in this administration or a future administration.  By committing to the civilian criminal system and assigning judicial jurisdiction where it never belonged, those are the only options left.

It was that decision that created the entirely predictable set of decisions that forced the judge to exclude the evidence gleaned by intelligence interrogation that proved Ghailani guilty — a cascade of consequences foreseen by critics and arrogantly sneered at by this administration as “politicization.”  It’s both the arrogance and the incompetence that requires Eric Holder’s termination as Attorney General.  Holder made these decisions and hotly defended them as perfectly reasonable, with no reduced chance of getting convictions in these cases.

A less arrogant — and less ideological — Attorney General would have heeded Congress’ warnings and reconsidered the wisdom of the idea of shoehorning foreign-captured war criminals into venues where they have never been adjudicated before now.  And a less arrogant administration would have not defied the will of Congress, which three times set up military commission processes for these very cases, and for the very reasons that the DoJ spectacularly failed this week.

There could be no greater failure by the DoJ in this war on terror than to get these decisions wrong, especially in light of the avalanche of criticism over those decisions and the administration’s reaction to it.  Holder should hand in his resignation before he makes the same mistake with the other terrorists our military and intelligence assets risked their lives to keep off the battlefield forever.  His continued presence insults their work, insults Congress, and insults our desire for justice for 9/11, the USS Cole bombing, the two embassy bombings, and the other terrorist attacks and plots we’ve managed to stop through a forward strategy on the war on terror.  If a resignation is not forthcoming, the Senate and House Judiciary committees should start hearings to determine why Holder remains in this position.

Update: The minimum sentence is 20 years, not the maximum.


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OK, second try at my question: Have Holder and his DOJ actually “accomplished” anything of relevance or legal value in the past 20+ months they have been im power?

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2010 at 12:54 PM

They succeeded in enjoining the AZ immigration law, for one thing.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 1:00 PM

That incompetent bastard needs to be canned!

MCGIRV on November 18, 2010 at 1:03 PM

It’s Bush’s fault.

shick on November 18, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Sort of, yeah. If torture hadn’t been used, a confession would have been admissible. Unsurprisingly, no one seems to bring that up here.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 10:45 AM

It’s your condition that “sort of” makes sense. In reality it’s a red herring. If this terrorist was treated like the war combatant that he is instead of given the rights allowed to U.S. citizens, this so called “torture” wouldn’t be an issue at all.

Again, red herring. Diverting attention away from the true guilty party.

shick on November 18, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Come on Crr.
Let’s hear you explain how you and your liberal friends have no problem with Obama using the same policies that you called “war crimes” under Bush.

The fact that Obama has embraced…fought to use….and celebrated the use of these policies vindicates Bush more than anything:


Cheney’s Revenge
The Obama Administration is vindicating Bush antiterror policy.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704022804575042112185849380.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion

But the fact that when a democrat uses these policies there is no outrage coming from you and your liberal buddies solidly confirms that it’s all about scoring political points and not about human rights:

CIA Rendition Program Began Under Clinton
Michael Scheuer, Anti-Bush Intel Operation, CIA Leaks, War on Terror

BERLIN (AFP) – The CIA’s controversial “rendition” program to have terror suspects captured and questioned on foreign soil was launched under US president Bill Clinton, a former US counterterrorism agent told a German newspaper.

Not only did democrats institute the same policies that crr gets her panties all twisted up about…..they flaunted the fact that they could do it….even dismissing the fact that it was against international law.


According to Clinton administration official Richard Clarke:

“ ‘extraordinary renditions’, were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgment of the host government…. The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the White House Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore belatedly joined the meeting, having just flown overnight from South Africa. Clinton recapped the arguments on both sides for Gore: “Lloyd says this. Dick says that. Gore laughed and said, ‘That’s a no-brainer. Of course it’s a violation of international law, that’s why it’s a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass.’

Do what!!!!
Al-Gore….Mr. International super man…..
Save the salamander starve the farmer Al-Gore supporting “torture” and the breaking of International law.

Oh God!!!
The Polar Bears are going to be so disappointed.

No liberals in the streets calling for Clinton to be arrested for human rights violations.No demands for trials or accountability from the perpetually offended crowd.


CIA-backed team used brutal means to break up terrorist cell in Albania

Officials call operation one of the agency’s great successes

Several days later, he was taken, handcuffed and blindfolded, to the abandoned air base, north of Tirana. “There, a private plane was waiting for me,” he said in his confession. Once in Cairo, he was blindfolded again
and driven to Egypt’s state security offices on July 2, 1998. “Since then,the interrogations have not stopped,” he said.
Attiya later told his lawyer, Hafez Abu-Saada, that while being questioned,he was subjected to electrical shocks to his genitals, suspended by his
limbs, dragged on his face, and made to stand for hours in a cell, with filthy water up to his knees.

Abu-Saada, who represented all five members
of the Tirana cell, subsequently recorded their complaints in a published report.
All on Clinton’s watch.

Yet here we are having self righteous liberals like crr condemning Bush for practicing “torture” without being convicted of practicing torture.

This selective outrage is pathetic and shows that activists like crr have no credibility when it comes to passing judgment on Bush or anyone who supports strong policies to deal with terrorism.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM

I blame Bush for a lot. This one isn’t his fault, though.

DrAllecon on November 18, 2010 at 10:47 AM

That’s your problem DrAllencon. You have to start blaming him for everything./sarcasm

shick on November 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Pity that you wasted so much time typing up a logical fallacy.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Ah! Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals #4!

Wasn’t Bush’s tax rebate something like $300-$500? You guys seemed pretty excited about that.

crr6 on November 1, 2010 at 4:11 PM

Tu quoque is often used here.

unclesmrgol on November 18, 2010 at 1:10 PM

This selective outrage is pathetic and shows that activists like crr have no credibility when it comes to passing judgment on Bush or anyone who supports strong policies to deal with terrorism.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Excellent point!..crr6 and rest of the liberals like Clinton’s methods of handling terrorists..wait until they attack USA and then fire a couple of cruise missles at some goat farmer somewhere in the Middle East desert..

Dire Straits on November 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM

crr6 bedwet: [It’s Bush’s fault]… Sort of, yeah. If torture hadn’t been used, a confession would have been admissible. Unsurprisingly, no one seems to bring that up here.

Why isn’t billionaire progressive George Soros financing any unhinged Leftist rent-a-mob rallies against ObaMao’s summary execution of civilians by Reaper drone airstrikes? Afterall, Obama’s tactics are clearly more “extremist” than Bush’s post-9/11 moistening of KSM, et.al.

Obama’s policy to use Reaper drones to summarily execute civilians (sans Miranda) has increased markedly without a peep. Get busy, Leftists.

Rev. Wright should burn a Koran every day until Obama either releases his birth certificate or ends his Reaper drone madness.

Terp Mole on November 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Add to the list that this administration treats American citizens like criminals while letting enemy combatants slide, and you have the perfect storm of rebellion by the public who is weary of Big Brother (and Big Sis) and is saying, with Ron Paul, “enough!”

College Prof on November 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Wasn’t Bush’s tax rebate something like $300-$500? You guys seemed pretty excited about that.

crr6 on November 1, 2010 at 4:11 PM

unclesmrgol on November 18, 2010 at 1:10 PM

That actually wasn’t a tu quoque, if you’ve read the entire exchange. The question was whether a $400 tax break was insubstantial, and I pointed out that Bush’s tax rebate was $300-500, and people seemed to find that it was substantial. That goes to the merits of the issue at hand, that is, whether people view a $400 tax break as substantial.

Not to say I’ve never used a tu quoque, but that’s pretty much all Baxter does. It gets tiresome.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM

When I do bother to pick apart what you post one line at a time, I feel like a moron for wasting my time afterwards since nothing which you’re talking about has anything to do with the original topic anyway. You’re in your own little fantasy world, and in the future I’ll be more careful to avoid joining you there, however briefly.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM

You are such a joke.

This is pretty much liberal speak for “I am getting my a$$ handed to me so I will start making insults”.

Please show me where you picked my post apart.


Please show me where exposing your pathetic hypocrisy on the issues of Rendition,Indefinite detention,NSA wiretapping,and bombing villages does not relate to the post topic of Obama’s DOJ’d enforcement of terrorism policies.

Please explain how my showing your accusation that Bush “tortured” people is not backed up by the facts.

You are never able to back up your liberal drivel crr.
You post like you are superior to everyone here…then when your talking points are challenged you can’t back them up and are reduced to infantile insults.

You are a joke.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:17 PM

And the third will be a cowardly dodge.

Do I hear any predictions for choice number 3?

tgharris on November 18, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Not to say I’ve never used a tu quoque, but that’s pretty much all Baxter does. It gets tiresome.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM

No…what I do is throw your ignorance and hypocrisy right back in your face and you can’t handle it.

The facts don’t back up your rhetoric.

What is tiresome is you constantly posting with faux superiority without being able to validate your points.

You are a joke.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Andrew McCarthy slams Obama’s hypocrisy today;

Obama Caves on Civilian Trial for KSM
[It turns out indefinite detention isn’t so bad after all.]

Let’s review the state of play, shall we?

Throughout the 2008 presidential campaign, candidate Barack Obama blasted the Bush administration’s decision to treat al-Qaeda terrorists as enemy combatants and detain them without trial at Guantanamo Bay. Now, two years into his presidency, Obama has decided to treat al-Qaeda terrorists as enemy combatants and detain them without trial at Guantanamo Bay.

The media is reporting that the administration will hold Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other 9/11 plotter indefinitely, granting them neither a civilian nor a military trial. This determination, leaked over the weekend, appears to be a rebuff of Attorney General Eric Holder, who had intimated a few days earlier that a civilian prosecution was imminent.

Here’s the difference between Presidents Bush and Obama: The former’s strategy was driven by weighty national-security concerns and maintained despite ceaseless condemnation from the Obama Left. Obama’s strategy — or, more accurately, his drift — is driven by naked political concerns, and his base’s media megaphone has gone nearly silent…

Read the whole thing

Terp Mole on November 18, 2010 at 1:23 PM

Update: The minimum sentence is 20 years, not the maximum.

Yikes. Pretty significant error there, no?

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 1:24 PM

ccr6 is bored waiting for billionaire progressive George Soros to finance the next unhinged Leftist rent-a-mob rally against Obama’s summary execution of three (un-Mirandized!) Somali teens at sea.

Obama’s tactic was clearly more extremist than Bush’s patriotic moistening of KSM, et.al. The two year anniversary of ObaMao’s high seas shooting spree has already passed. Get busy, ccr6.

Rage against the machine, ccr6!

Terp Mole on November 18, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Ed well constructed arguments serve only to prove that he is a racist.

exdeadhead on November 18, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Excellent point!..crr6 and rest of the liberals like Clinton’s methods of handling terrorists..wait until they attack USA and then fire a couple of cruise missles at some goat farmer somewhere in the Middle East desert..

Dire Straits on November 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Exactly.

When a democrat is in office…liberals yell “War is the Answer!!!”

The fact that liberals like crr only whine about “torture” and “war crimes” when a Republican is in the White House goes straight to the heart of their credibility on the issue.
They have none.
Liberals like crr use the difficulties of war to score political points…plain and simple.

Democrats have even admitted as much:

Congressman admits Democrats “stretched the facts,” misled anti-war supporters about supposed plans for ending War

Submitted by Jeff Emanuel on Thu, 05/22/2008 – 8:18pm.
http://jeffemanuel.net/paul-kanjorski-pa-11-admits-democrats-lied-about-being-able-to-end-war-in-iraq

Transcript:

“I’ll tell you my impression. We really in this last election, when I say we…the Democrats, I think pushed it as far as we can to the end of the fleet, didn’t say it, but we implied it. That if we won the Congressional elections, we could stop the war. Now anybody was a good student of Government would know that wasn’t true. But you know, the temptation to want to win back the Congress, we sort of stretched the facts…and people ate it up.

Democrats admit that they used the difficulties of war and the sacrifice of our Soldiers to score political points…to help win elections.

Crr is cut from the same cloth.She whines and moans about how terrible and evil Republicans are while giving her democratic heroes a total pass.
This is why she can’t back up her rhetoric or defend her hypocrisy.
She has no credibility on the issues she whines about and thinks insults make her appear intelligent.

Just another lame liberal activists.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:35 PM

They succeeded in enjoining the AZ immigration law, for one thing.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 1:00 PM

If this is your measure of success your zenith is not very high.

You are a joke.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:21 PM

You’re mean to jokes today.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:35 PM

I hope crr6 learned from your posts..you layed out your points in the debate with crr6 very well!!..Keep up the good work..you are on a roll!..:)

Dire Straits on November 18, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:35 PM

I hope crr6 learned from your posts..you layed out your points in the debate with crr6 very well!!..Keep up the good work..you are on a roll!..:)

Dire Straits on November 18, 2010 at 1:43 PM

But…but…but crr said she took my posts apart line by line.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:46 PM

I don’t think you’re learning your lesson here today, Baxter.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Yeah, because everybody is wrong except for crr, Code Pink and the UN HRC.

Thanks for admitting that you are a monster who hides behind the skirts of semantics, because you’re too much of a pu$$y to admit that you are fine with having the ‘wrong people’ tortured.

Too bad we can’t make you actually watch the process; I’m betting your jingoist-fired cruelty would go right out the window.

Dark-Star on November 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Well, considering I’ve seen people die, I doubt it’ll move me very much to see a terrorist scumbag have to endure a little fake drowning if it means saving lives. But hey, it’s more fun to pretend to be a “sensible moderate,” right DS?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 18, 2010 at 1:47 PM

You are a joke.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:21 PM

You’re mean to jokes today.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2010 at 1:39 PM

I did my best to be diplomatic.

crr’s hypocrisy and ignorance is getting old.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:49 PM

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 12:29 PM

nice smackdown. +++

ted c on November 18, 2010 at 1:49 PM

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 1:24 PM

not necessarily. what if the maximum is 22 years?

chasdal on November 18, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Tu quoque is often used here.

unclesmrgol on November 18, 2010 at 1:10 PM

I think the proper internet term among us youngins for what just happened there is “pwnage.”

Good Solid B-Plus on November 18, 2010 at 1:50 PM

I hope crr6 learned from your posts..you layed out your points in the debate with crr6 very well!!..Keep up the good work..you are on a roll!..:)

Dire Straits on November 18, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Ditto.
The posts may be long but very necessary to convey the message. One liners won’t cut it.

Electrongod on November 18, 2010 at 1:52 PM

nice smackdown. +++

ted c on November 18, 2010 at 1:49 PM

Just following your lead.
Your links earlier were dead on.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Electrongod on November 18, 2010 at 1:52 PM

To watch liberals play politics with our National Security is infuriating and needs to be called out.

Holder and his corrupt running of the DOJ need to be investigated and exposed by the new Republican House.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Just following your lead.
Your links earlier were dead on.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2010 at 1:56 PM

it’s good to see we can coordinate fire!

ted c on November 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM

yeah Morrissey, Obama and Holder said that they could get convictions in real, legal, regular US courts just like we always did before the Bush administration decided to throw away our Constitition.

and despite the years that this guy was subjected to irregular treatment, they did just that.
in a regular court and trial he was convicted

and he’s going away a real, real long time. maybe for live.

maybe it’s time for you to give your bs a re-examination.

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 2:20 PM

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Get lost on your way to dKos, Skippy?

kingsjester on November 18, 2010 at 2:21 PM

kingsjester,

nope. never been there. never going.

but occasionally, res ipsa loquitur, and Morrissey’s bs doesn’t signify any more than that of left-wing loonies.

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 2:28 PM

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Why the Latin? Wouldn’t it have been easier to just say “the thing speaks for itself”? So, as a Conservative, you’re saying you’re cool with trying nonuniformed combatants in Federal Courts, giving them the same right to jury as an American citizen? After all, this worked out so well. Found guilty on 1 out of over 280 counts is a heck of a job, isn’t it?

kingsjester on November 18, 2010 at 2:34 PM

kingsjester (ril is an old legal maxim)

I’m quite cool with detaining combatant (uniformed or non) POWs for the duration of a conflict when they’re proven combatants and also quite cool using established federal law and courtrooms to bring criminal charges against people committing crimes against us.
It’s long effectively worked and it sure as hell keeps up a bulwark against government intrusion against all of us.

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 2:49 PM

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 2:49 PM

So, you’re saying that Terrorist attacks are crimes and not holy jihad?

kingsjester on November 18, 2010 at 2:51 PM

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Never got a response to the fact that holder explained in congressional testimony that waterboarding is not torture.

For the record, I searched the war trial records of Japanese soldiers from WWII regarding this topic and was shocked to learn that in fact the US did not really consider “Water Torture” as significant as TV leads you to think. (or not think as the case may be)

Only ONE Japanese officer was charged with this offense and it was the LAST of FIFTEEN OTHER CHARGES. All of that just an FYI.

Holder also explained why it isn’t torture and that US Soldiers are exposed to it often.

We do not know who in this case “deemed” it to be torture. I’m thinkin’ it’s was some delicate little flower of a US criminal court judge. Again, criminal court horse manure.

dogsoldier on November 18, 2010 at 3:00 PM

glad you understand that, jess

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 3:00 PM

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Um, wow you are so incorrect I don’t know where to begin.

Until recently these sort of attacks were punished by summary execution. Our collective memory of terrorism is pretty short it seems.

dogsoldier on November 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM

glad you understand that, jess
audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Wow. Denial is not just a river in Egypt is it?

kingsjester on November 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM

OK, second try at my question: Have Holder and his DOJ actually “accomplished” anything of relevance or legal value in the past 20+ months they have been im power?

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2010 at 12:54 PM

They succeeded in enjoining the AZ immigration law, for one thing.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 1:00 PM

LOL, that’s not an “accomplishment”, because the case has not been completely settled. It’s a work in progress.

And it’s also not an “accomplishment” because what they are doing is a matter of partisan opinion. Since you’re a Leftist who is training to “practice law” using the typical Leftist “interpretations of law” (such as, it’s OK for the DOJ to prosecute a female Federal employee for lying under oath about sex, but not OK for them to go after the Democrat President of the US for doing the exact same thing) your personal “legal judgement” is just that. Your opinion.

Now, what else have Stedman and his “Justice Department” accomplished? That is, other than claim that Justice is no longer color blind?

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2010 at 3:08 PM

dogsoldier on November 18, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Well, Holder also said that his DOJ would not waterboard. The reason given was that he called it “torture”.

He’s just like his former boss Clintoon. An unusually good perjurer.

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2010 at 3:11 PM

BTW, using the “the court thought” isn’t legal proof of anything, as far as I know.

LOL. Yeah, I’d say that the court’s judgment as to whether something is illegal is legal proof that it’s illegal. haha, that was a gem, even for you.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Your snipping out my reference to the Federal Judge ruling on Iraq’s involvement in 9/11 is admission that you agree with that ruling, right? BTW that ruling came out of the same court in Lower Manhattan where Stedman wants to try KSM.

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2010 at 3:14 PM

That’s your problem DrAllencon. You have to start blaming him for everything./sarcasm

shick on November 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Hmm, your’re right! It’s not like me to do things half-heartedly, I want to be part of the cool liberal elite crowd!!

Bushbushbushbushbushbushbushbushbushbusbhgjsgioejro

Aw nuts, it fell apart at the end there.

/

DrAllecon on November 18, 2010 at 3:16 PM

“When you go into to court you are putting your fate into the hands of twelve people who weren’t smart enough to get out of jury duty.”

Norm Crosby

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2010 at 3:23 PM

dogsoldier,

gee, until recently (?) almost anything was punished by summary execution. just not in the US.
if you’re happier living someplace where rule by fiat is the norm, by all means, march.

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 3:23 PM

DOTUS everywhere you look in this Administration

MISSION #1……..Bring America to it’s knees!

PappyD61 on November 18, 2010 at 4:16 PM

I think this is what we’ve all feared since this whole ridiculous idea came up. We’re going to be in real danger when these guys are released because al Qaeda and their like will most definitely see this as weak.

It’s really pathetic, but that’s what ya get when you elect a bleeding heart libby to the White House and let him fill important posts with his buddies.

Mad Mad Monica on November 18, 2010 at 5:28 PM

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 3:23 PM

I’m talking about the U.S. Look up Piracy. Terrorists are worse. Your response is absurd.

dogsoldier on November 18, 2010 at 6:18 PM

dogs,
if you could aid my research, it might be helpful. I’m unable to find any recent (or even century-old) examples where the US summarily executed people for piracy.

save me from my absurd ideas about trial by jury

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Until recently these sort of attacks were punished by summary execution.

dogsoldier on November 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM

No.

crr6 on November 18, 2010 at 6:30 PM

In the spirit of Sarah Portmanteau Palin:

Foopie“- the kind of mistake only a world-class moron like Barack Obama or AG Holder could made.

(From the two words: Foolish and loopy.)

Used in a sentence.

Barry made a foopie.

profitsbeard on November 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM

I think this is what we’ve all feared since this whole ridiculous idea came up. We’re going to be in real danger when these guys are released because al Qaeda and their like will most definitely see this as weak.

It’s really pathetic, but that’s what ya get when you elect a bleeding heart libby to the White House and let him fill important posts with his buddies.

Mad Mad Monica on November 18, 2010 at 5:28 PM

It’s surprising that someone raised in the muslim world would not have a better understanding of the tribal ‘strong horse’ concept.

slickwillie2001 on November 18, 2010 at 8:13 PM

Yes Holder has to go. Pretty soon these blood-drenched terrorists, cleared in civil courts by sympathetic liberal city juries are going to start suing in civil courts for “pain, suffering, mental anguish, harassment, profiling , discrimination” ad infinitum. And when these terrorists file their cases, these same liberal juries who cleared them of crimes, will make these monsters multi-millionaires.

MaiDee on November 18, 2010 at 8:59 PM

No justice for the victims. Just lectoring and posturing from our cowardly AG.

AshleyTKing on November 18, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Great piece, kingsjester. Thank you.

hillbillyjim on November 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Crr6 is a sheet bag

if one of those filth had a relative of his in their grips and he had the opportunity to rend the saving info from them you know he would despite the puss$& persona he portrays so well

or else he is truly of the prey catigory which I guess is a possibility

Sonosam on November 18, 2010 at 10:35 PM

In the spirit of Sarah Portmanteau Palin:

“Foopie“- the kind of mistake only a world-class moron like Barack Obama or AG Holder could made.

(From the two words: Foolish and loopy.)

Used in a sentence.

Barry made a foopie.

profitsbeard on November 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Alternate usage: I just took a Barack Foopie, and wow, what a relief! I had to light a match, though.

hillbillyjim on November 18, 2010 at 10:36 PM

Crr6 is a sheet bag

Naw. She’s just full of shit herself. A nice dose of the real world will disabuse her of that character flaw.

hillbillyjim on November 18, 2010 at 10:46 PM

You all think this was an accident?

SouthernGent on November 18, 2010 at 11:11 PM

You all think this was an accident?

SouthernGent on November 18, 2010 at 11:11 PM

Is a bullfrog waterproof?

Does a chicken have lips?

NO, NO, and NO.

Ronnie Milsap could have seen this coming a mile away.

hillbillyjim on November 18, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Obama and the three stooges (Biden, Holder and Napolitano)are a embarrassing disgrace to lifeforms everywhere.

volsense on November 19, 2010 at 10:33 AM

audiculous on November 18, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Somali pirates, navy seals, last year.

dogsoldier on November 19, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Somali pirates, navy seals, last year.

dogsoldier on November 19, 2010 at 11:59 AM

heh. Good one.

crr6 on November 19, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Somali pirates, navy seals, last year.

dogsoldier on November 19, 2010 at 11:59 AM

heh. Good one.

crr6 on November 19, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Actually on second thought I’m pretty sure you weren’t joking. In which case you’re a complete moron.

crr6 on November 19, 2010 at 12:07 PM

BTW in WWI and WWII Germany employed what they defined as “Commerce Raiders.” Our merchant mariners called them Pirates. (as well they should.) The raiders attacked, seized and occasionally destroyed allied merchant vessels.

http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Piracy

When they attacked our vessels they were sent to the bottom without quarter. Also when the article says “commissioned” one should know they are not only referring to German naval vessels, but also german merchant vessles.

dogsoldier on November 19, 2010 at 12:10 PM

crr6 on November 19, 2010 at 12:07 PM

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Summary_execution

You must be from another planet, or possibly Canada, since everyone I know understands that when the police or the armed forces kill someone in an extrajudicial situation, it is always referred to in this manner.

Did the seals give the somali pirates a trial that we all missed?

dogsoldier on November 19, 2010 at 12:33 PM

dogsoldier on November 19, 2010 at 12:33 PM

So you weren’t kidding?

LOLOLOLOLOL

crr6 on November 19, 2010 at 12:37 PM

dogs doesn’t seem to understand the difference between killing folk after they’ve been taken into custody ad killings who are bearing and/or using weapons.

audiculous on November 19, 2010 at 12:45 PM

dogs doesn’t seem to understand the difference between killing folk after they’ve been taken into custody ad killings who are bearing and/or using weapons.

audiculous on November 19, 2010 at 12:45 PM

hahaha yeah. Apparently American soldiers “summarily executed without a trial” every Nazi killed in the heat of battle during WWII. And every insurgent in Iraq killed during a firefight. LOL.

crr6 on November 19, 2010 at 12:47 PM

You don’t seem to understand the difference between a criminal and a soldier.

During or after the commision of a heinous act it’s still an execution. Laugh all you like.

dogsoldier on November 19, 2010 at 2:51 PM

dogs, I’m not laughing at what you’re saying, just disagreeing. Part of the disagreement is only over meaning of the words, but the more serious part is about whether it’s a good idea for us, once we’ve taken people prisoner, to just kill them.
Sometimes that surely feels like the thing to do, but over the long run, it’s not.

audiculous on November 19, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Just make sure he receives the Jeffrey Dahmer treatment in prison. Done

Greed on November 19, 2010 at 6:13 PM

Time for Holder to go? YES!

AdrianS on November 21, 2010 at 12:33 PM

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