Karl Rove to Palin supporters: Stop whining about my criticism of her TLC show

posted at 10:05 pm on November 18, 2010 by Allahpundit

But … I thought they were friends. Well, acquaintances. Sort of:

She had spent most of her time [on election day] ensconced at the Fox television studios, though she managed to squeeze in a jog in Central Park — which she promptly chronicled on Twitter: “Beautiful!” Also at the studios was her fellow Fox News contributor Karl Rove, who had recently questioned in a British newspaper whether Palin’s new reality TV series, “Sarah Palin’s Alaska,” made her appear Oval Office-worthy. The building was abuzz over what would ensue when the two would inevitably bump into each other. The moment came after Palin finished a segment with the anchor Bret Baier and saw Rove lingering stageside with Brit Hume, a Fox colleague, holding a well-marked copy of “Alaska for Dummies” — a prop clearly intended to mollify Palin. She laughed, used her phone’s camera to take a picture of Rove with the book, traded brief hellos and then left the studio without mentioning Rove’s earlier comment.

The clip’s unclear, actually. At first it sounds like he’s telling her to man up and stop whining, but then, perhaps thinking better of that, he shifts his aim to her famously devoted supporters. Not the first time this week that a prominent Republican’s accused her of being thin-skinned, either. In the same NYT piece quoted above, Mary Matalin’s quoted as saying, “She gives as good as she gets. But I don’t know her well enough to know if she’s developed the thick skin you need to be endlessly resilient, the way Reagan could take things for decades and let them roll off his back.”

In fact, this isn’t even the first time this week that a Fox News commentator has thrown a few jabs at her vis-a-vis her show. I guess the 2012 primary season really, truly is upon us. Exit question: On a RINO scale of one to 10, with one being Jim DeMint and 10 being Lisa Murkowski, where does this segment leave Rove? (Exit answer: 12.)


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She has done nothing wrong. Why do GOP elitists bash her? Answers itself, don’t it?

Her supporters are conservatives. Heck, some are even Republicans.

All KR sees is people leaving the GOP plantation despite the pork barrels all lined up nicely for them.

It’s so easy to figure out, I feel at least as smart as the GOP elite. They sure have figured it out: “Mene mene tekel upharsin.”

Akzed on November 19, 2010 at 9:22 AM

I agree that they can, but Palin has too much controversy surrounding herself that’s going to obscure the issues, like it or not. 2012 should be about the election, not about personality, but Palin is so overexposed, it can’t help but be about her as a person and not the issues she cares about.

NoDonkey on November 19, 2010 at 8:55 AM

These “controversies” you are referring to are a creation of the media. If you think another candidate for the GOP will not have suddenly urgent non-issue related “controversies” they will have to address all the time, then you haven’t been paying close attention the last few years.

Remember the media’s favorite Republican, John McCain? The minute he sewed up the GOP nomination, The New York Times had a completely unsourced article full of hearsay and innuendo accusing him of banging a cute lobbyist chick the very next morning, right on the front page.

Then a couple days later, Cindy McCain’s 25 year old pill addictions were the front page story.

This is how they operate, and it won’t change no matter who is the one. If they can’t find anything to hit them with, they will just make it up and run with it.

2004, fake TXANG documents? Remember that one?

Brian1972 on November 19, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Viator on November 19, 2010 at 7:33 AM

Thanks. This is where we should be focused. The nation’s survival is at stake over the next two months. The DREAM Act is evil. Write or call the squishes.

rrpjr on November 19, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Rove == v
Bush == ^
Palen == ^

esnap on November 19, 2010 at 9:30 AM

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 8:50 AM

That thought crossed my mind also. Do you think it is working or will work? At this point at least, I see it backfiring.

JimP on November 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Is this the same Karl Tokyo Rove who along with Bush let Scooter Libby take the fall and languish in prison for the phony Valerie Plame affair!

The same Karl who allowed Scooter to rot in jail whilst saving his own hide and counseling W. to not pardon perhaps!

Irrelevant Rove!

dhunter on November 19, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Rove is right when he says he’s a commenter – this is exactly the point I was trying to make about his criticism of COD – providing honest commentary does not make him a traitorous RINO

Rove went overboard with his criticism of COD. Once she won the GOP Primary he should have stifled himself. If he doesn’t know enough to be a team player when fighting the Democrats then he cannot be trusted and has outlived his usefulness as a political operative. I used to have a good opinion of Rove but his attacks on COD were beyond clueless.

If he joins the chorus criticizing Palin then he might well improve her standing among independents while diminishing his own among conservatives,

Basilsbest on November 19, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Hey Karl – take your own advice – stop whining about people criticizing you.

katiejane on November 19, 2010 at 9:43 AM

That thought crossed my mind also. Do you think it is working or will work? At this point at least, I see it backfiring.

JimP on November 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Rove is tricky. We’ll have to see how far he carries this. I think he’s trying to bait Palin into a response. I hope she just ignores it.

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Where is Karl’s honest opinion of Mittens? Beuller..Beuller

wheelgun on November 19, 2010 at 9:49 AM

These “controversies” you are referring to are a creation of the media.

Which she’s done everything to encourage. Don’t get between Sarah and a camera. You can’t put yourself out there day after day for the media and then complain the media is reporting on you.

The media didn’t manufacture her resignation, that’s on her.

Finally, Karl Rove isn’t so popular. If anything, Palin supporters should be glad he’s bashing her. Gives her credit with independents, most of whom don’t have a whole lotta love for Rove.

NoDonkey on November 19, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Which she’s done everything to encourage. Don’t get between Sarah and a camera. You can’t put yourself out there day after day for the media and then complain the media is reporting on you.

I’m not quite sure what you want from her. The media follows her 24/7 and writes breathless reports on anything she does. You want she just stays home? Even there … some nut case moved next door to her to write his book.

The media didn’t manufacture her resignation, that’s on her.

NoDonkey on November 19, 2010 at 9:50 AM

And who keeps bringing it up? It sure as hell isn’t her.

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Is this the same Karl Tokyo Rove who along with Bush let Scooter Libby take the fall and languish in prison for the phony Valerie Plame affair!

Bush ordered Libby to cooperate with the investigation. The prosecutor then targeted Libby because his recollection of events was different from others. The actus reus of Libby’s offence was having an imperfect memory.

Libby’s conviction is a stark lesson to anone being questioned by the FBI to take the 5th even if you have done nothing wrong.Bush’s failure to pardon Libby was disgusting and consistent with his pathetic failure to respond to the Plame Affair and his overall failure to respond to his war critics after the 2004 election.

The Bush-Rove refusal to answer their critics created the conditions necessary for the public to swallow a media created incompetent phony as POTUS. Karl Rove’s role in the pathetic, hopelessly ineffective Bush Administration’s communications strategy is a much more serious matter, in my view, than a teenager dabbling in witchcraft.

Basilsbest on November 19, 2010 at 9:58 AM

The media follows her 24/7 and writes breathless reports on anything she does.

Yes, when she tries to get a little privacy in the audience of “Dancing with the Stars”, there’s that evil media, filming her! The nerve . . .

And when she write private notes on her Facebook page.

Of course she doesn’t bring up her embarrassing resignation. There’s nothing she can say to change it and it’s a huge negative.

Here’s a good article by Mona Charen on why she shouldn’t run and I totally agree: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/253545/why-sarah-palin-shouldn-t-run-mona-charen

NoDonkey on November 19, 2010 at 9:59 AM

NoDonkey on November 19, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Haha, you might agree, but she is going to do it anyway.

You can’t be serious, that all the negative press attacks she brought on herself? That is just ridiculous.

The smearing began the minute she was announced in Ohio.

Ever since, she has been fighting to reclaim her image from the campaign to define her before she could define herself.

The McCain people stupidly played right into it the first few weeks, and since she has been in charge of her own message, she has been fighting back against the most intense propaganda smear war ever launched on one single person in modern America.

Truly unprecedented.

Brian1972 on November 19, 2010 at 10:07 AM

Yes, when she tries to get a little privacy in the audience of “Dancing with the Stars”, there’s that evil media, filming her! The nerve . . .

“Why no Mrs. Palin, you can’t attend to watch your daughter. NoDonkey refuses to grant you access because cameras will be there”.

And when she write private notes on her Facebook page.

I agree! She shouldn’t be allowed to write on Facebook. Only other people can do that.

Of course she doesn’t bring up her embarrassing resignation. There’s nothing she can say to change it and it’s a huge negative.

NoDonkey on November 19, 2010 at 9:59 AM

It’s only a negative if you have no clue what went on. Informed people think no such thing. Her challenge however, is to inform more people. Sadly, she’s decided not to inform you … because you’re NoDonkey.

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 10:08 AM

And who should run if not her? Where are the rest? Sitting on their a$$es while she takes on Obama. Pansies.

SurferDoc on November 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Here’s a good article by Mona Charen on why she shouldn’t run and I totally agree:

NoDonkey on November 19, 2010 at 9:59 AM

The funny thing about that article is it completely ignores Palin’s record. Charen mentions DWTS and some other bull crap then concludes that serious contenders would chain their offspring to bedposts so they wouldn’t be tarnished with such an image.

Yes, that’s who I want as president … someone whose political aspirations are more important than their family.

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Sure, try and shove through a candidate who is not even remotely Presidential.

If she wins the Republican primary, I will vote for her in the general because we can all agree, she’s far preferable to another term for Barry, even given her woeful unpreparedness for the presidency.

What will the Palin supporters do, if she’s not nominated? Sit at home to teach the country a lesson?

NoDonkey on November 19, 2010 at 6:24 AM

I feel like we continually have to keep explaining ourselves on this blog. This question has been asked and answered about a hundred times already.

I will not stay home if Palin is not the nominee. I would have a very, very hard time voting for Huckabee but I would have no problem pulling the lever for any of the other guys considered to be in the running. I doubt very many Palinistas here would disagree with me. Conversely, I have heard from many more haters — see Meredith with the raging PDS for example — who would sooner commit Seppuku if Palin were the nominee. Who is putting their own likes and dislikes ahead of what’s best for the country then?

Also, you asked how she is qualified. How is anyone qualified? You have no job experience as president until you become president. The most transferable skill sets come from executive experience elsewhere, either in the public or private sectors, or in the military. The sort of skills one develops as mayor or governor or head of a commission or as the owner of a small business are all relevant I think. It isn’t the size of the organization or the budget one oversees (although it would be important to note that Alaska’s annual budget is about twice what Arkansas’ is, so if Huckabee is qualified, Palin must be, too) but the qualities a person needs to demonstrate in order to be an effective leader. They are the same qualities whether you’re talking about the Mayor of Wasilla or the President of the United States: Courage, good judgment, a talent for surrounding oneself with the best of the best. An ability to compromise, and to manage people. Vision. A strong will. A willingness to listen to various points of view, weigh them all and make a decision and stand by it. By all accounts from those who have worked with her or opposite her over the years, Palin has this natural leadership ability. Couple that with her solid conservative credentials and her love of country, and her 20 years in public service and as the co-owner of a small business, and that’s about all I need to know about her.

It’s kind of unfair to compare her with O’Donnell or Angle, neither of whom were running for executive office. It’s a different set of skills, I think, that are demanded of a senator as opposed to a president. Which is why former senators typically make lousy presidents. Exhibit A: The one we have right now.

NoLeftTurn on November 19, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Wow, that Mona Charen article really dumps on Palin and her family. It is quite obvious that Charen believes that Palin is not in the “right” class of people to become president. Not educated enough, not sophisticated enough and Palin’s a money & spotlight grubber to boot.

A sizeable portion of the republican party feels this way about Palin. I know of many republicans who think Palin is a ditz. I’m having a hard time convincing them otherwise because they don’t know anything about her policy positions since they aren’t internet/twitter/facebook hounds. Palin will have her work cut out for her thats for sure.

KickandSwimMom on November 19, 2010 at 10:20 AM

And who should run if not her? Where are the rest? Sitting on their a$$es while she takes on Obama. Pansies.

SurferDoc on November 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM

I didn’t realize there is a requirement for potential presidential contenders to begin running 3 years out. Some people let Obama make their heads “splode” every single day and seem to think Palin is the only antidote to make it through the day….

Bradky on November 19, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Can Rove just STFU! No one cares what he says anymore, he is irrelevant to the GOP today and represent everything that is wrong with RINO’s.

flytier on November 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM

NoLeftTurn on November 19, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Unfortunately, many people don’t take the time to see how she governed in Alaska. She built a coalition of democrats and Republicans and governed not by ideology but by the US and Alaskan constitutions. She had an open door policy with the press, and a great relationship with them as well.

She’s a natural leader and administrator and worked tirelessly for Alaska … not herself.

Of course the media won’t show this, so it’s up to her and others to show the real Sarah Palin.

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 10:28 AM

King of the whiners actually talking about something he is an expert on. Whine on, Karl. You are a master at it.

volsense on November 19, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Karl Rove….

Hmm. Didn’t he ‘used to be somebody’?

LegendHasIt on November 19, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Also, now that Palin has outed herself as a potential candidate, the liberal & establishment republican dumping will be INTENSE in order to make her sorry for even thinking about running. I’m almost worried for her frankly because I think it is going to get very, very hurtful for her and her family.

KickandSwimMom on November 19, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Of course the media won’t show this, so it’s up to her and others to show the real Sarah Palin.

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Agreed. But I think she will make this her mission during the primary season (which apparently starts in the spring with the Reagan Library debate). It seems to me from what she said in that NYT article the other day that she is well aware of what her weaknesses are and she is prepared to work at that. It’s also up to us “cultists” on the ground to change the minds of people we know. There are some people in my life who are completely worthless as potential converts and I wouldn’t waste my time, but there are a few others who are persuadable I think. That’s who I focus my efforts on.

If I had one criticism of her, it would be the same thing others have mentioned upthread and that’s that she needs to lay off the lamestream media stuff. We all know they’re useless hacks who are in the tank for Obama and have treated her family egregiously. They have no credibility left so best to concentrate on other things at this point, I think.

NoLeftTurn on November 19, 2010 at 10:35 AM

“A confident candidate doesn’t get thrown off by that.”

So Karl Rove is giving Palin the same advice, he gave George W Bush don’t push back against a Lamestream Media, that is trying to “Shape” you into something they can target and attack.

That worked out so well for George W Bush SEE BDS.

O’Reilly asked George W Bush, if he would campaign for Republicans in 2012. Bush said NO. Palin has already proven herself as a loyal Republican, who has, and continues to promote, and campaign Republicans for public office. I don’t have an opinion on George W Bush bowing out of campaigning in the future. I get it, George W Bush “I Gave At The Office” SMILE.

I have a problem with Roves advice too. When George W Bush didn’t push back, it didn’t hurt just him, it hurt the party brand. Maybe from where Rove sits, he can’t see the effect. But Sarah Palin who is tuned in to the electorate can see the effect, and has decided, NOT to go the Rove route with the Liberal Media and or Establishment Media. Palin is going to push back, Good for her, no more letting the Republican Establishment or the Liberal Media shape her image in the Media.

Rove thinks all of Palin’s supporters are country bumpkins.

If he wanted to be helpful, he would be out scouting for Conservative candidates for the 2012 US Senate races.

I would like to see someone viable challenging Max Baucus in 2012, Baucus made Obamascare possible.

Maybe Karl Rove should be focusing on the opposition, the Presidential field for Republican candidates, will take care of it’s self.

Dr Evil on November 19, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Until now I have given Rove the benefit of the doubt on his Palin talk, because I respected the man and his opinion. I figured. I didn’t want to think he was really trashing conservatives and Palin.

But calling Palin “thin skinned” twice was deliberate and false. Of all politicians, she has taken more hits in such a short time and stayed focused and cheerful and generous in her devotion to the Republican party.

Rove must know this, but he lied and took a shot anyway.

Not cool. My opinion of him went down. Also I do not trust his anaylsis as much as I did. Because he is wrong and doesn’t seem to get it anymore. Maybe he isn’t as sharp as he once was or maybe he has an ax to grind and it is clouding his judgement.
Too bad.

Elisa on November 19, 2010 at 10:39 AM

“On a RINO scale of one to 10, with one being Jim DeMint and 10 being Lisa Murkowski, where does this segment leave Rove?”

5

JeffinSac on November 19, 2010 at 10:42 AM

He’s plumping his feathers here. She’s not remotely worried about what Rove thinks.

And she’s not commenting back. What he’s dealing with here is that his own audience disagrees with his judgment. I know I was quite surprised when I realized that he misinformed the public regarding O’donnell’s supposed tax problems. I expected someone of his stature to have clicked her link to doublecheck his criticisms before going public.

Was I surprised to realize he had not bothered to fact check? Yes. And then, rather than admit it, he doubled down. That told me the truth. He wanted to inspire a negative reaction to her candidacy, and he didn’t really care if he fudged to do so.

Well, that’s his perogative, but the reality is that is also harmful to his credibility. He plays, he pays.

He’s just getting a bit thin-skinned himself here. He’s not used to people noticing that he’s not always prepared properly and using good judgment.

AnninCA on November 19, 2010 at 10:42 AM

What I won’t do is to donate or to work on her behalf.
NoDonkey on November 19, 2010 at 3:13 AM

Now, this is interesting…and brings up a good point that needs to be made.

DISCLAIMER: I haven’t looked to see if No Donkey specifically has done this, but it’s a clear example of what too many moderate Republicans, on HA and elsewhere, have stated to the Conservative/Republican base.

Here we have on this post is one who’s moderate enough claiming that although the vote for Palin would come in the General, she could not expect the same during the Primary, nor any donations to her campaign.

Yet, moderates, when faced with the identical threat yesterday from DeMint supporters, spewed forth venom to any Conservative who agreed with this voice of support for our most fiscally responsible Senator.

Conservatives will not only challenge and beat more Republican senators in Republican primaries, but conservatives will stop funding and volunteering for the NRSC and the RNC.

Here’s the selection of comments from known (or suspected) moderates:

DeMint is becoming a pocket dictator. Who the hell gave him the right to threaten people. Imagine these morons saying that we can’t criticize DeMint.
DeMint now has a gestapo, and is becoming the problem.
Chudi on November 17, 2010 at 9:49 PM

These people are DeMinted.
Mark1971 on November 17, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Don’t criticize Obama or you’re racist.
Don’t criticize DeMint or you’re a RINO.
amerpundit on November 17, 2010 at 9:50 PM

I think a lot of Jim Demint..But he must take the bitter with the sweet!..Eric Erickson is on the list..I’m shocked!..:)
Dire Straits on November 17, 2010 at 9:52 PM

No one is above criticism. I love DeMint, but let’s not get too crazy here.
I will never stop blackguarding the RINOs, and I defend their right to do the same to me.
rightwingyahooo on November 17, 2010 at 9:53 PM

This should not be some kind of measuring contest. It’s not McConnell or Cornyn making these remarks, it’s liberal RINO pantstains like Grahamnesty and Morecokeski. Go after them, not our leadership.
KingGold on November 17, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Nobody is above criticism. And the fact that conservative groups are making ultimatums is disturbing.
portlandon on November 17, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Keep it up with the purity purges, true cons. Watch your hopes for 2012 circle the drain because you just couldn’t help yourself and couldn’t just stop at fiscal conservatism, which is the only REAL reason (beyond punishing Obama’s insolence / incompetence) indies are giving conservatives a second chance.
Vyce on November 17, 2010 at 11:25 PM

So please explain to me why Moderates may voice their willingness to remove support for Conservative candidates, but the reverse is ‘disturbing’ and leaves many to presume Conservatives ‘need to learn’ to support Moderates to expand the tent?

I can think of 2 points to make:

A. This is extremely hypocritical.
B. Moderates know they need Conservatives to win, but Conservatives don’t need them to win.

The Moderates are afraid of losing all that money and support. Well, tough sh!t. Time to start heeding the base, or ignore at your peril. I personally don’t care which.

Miss_Anthrope on November 19, 2010 at 10:44 AM

If I had one criticism of her, it would be the same thing others have mentioned upthread and that’s that she needs to lay off the lamestream media stuff. We all know they’re useless hacks who are in the tank for Obama and have treated her family egregiously. They have no credibility left so best to concentrate on other things at this point, I think.

NoLeftTurn on November 19, 2010 at 10:35 AM

I think this is wrong.
You say, “we all know”, but who is “we”?
When they lie or distort or omit, they should be called on it. Forcefully, directly.

You are proposing letting them get away with what they have always gotten away with, and I for one am convinced things have to change in our modern media landscape.

I am certain after what has happened to her with the Democrat Liberal Media Complex, she has decided that same thing. I have heard her say it more than once.
She wants to do something about our corrupt political activist fake journalist community.

they should be held to account when necessary, and the bastards keep making it necessary, every day.

Others have been toiling away doing that pretty well, such as the Media Research Center, but she can focus attention on it like on one else.
Hell, she can make them cover her criticizing them.
Brent Bozell can’t do that.

Maybe, as an official candidate, the tone of her counterattacks could stand a change, less catchphrasing, a little more reserved, but still, stand up for yourself.

Brian1972 on November 19, 2010 at 10:49 AM

And who keeps bringing it up? It sure as hell isn’t her.

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Are you saying she shouldn’t be expected to own up to her actions when questioned about them?

Bradky on November 19, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Is this the same Karl Tokyo Rove who along with Bush let Scooter Libby take the fall and languish in prison for the phony Valerie Plame affair!

The same Karl who allowed Scooter to rot in jail whilst saving his own hide …

Actually, Karl Rove had nothing to do with that. That was Richard Armitage and other traitors over at State that were working to undermine President Bush’s foreign policy.

If Rove advised Bush not to pardon Libby, his advice was wrong. Libby did nothing wrong.

pdigaudio on November 19, 2010 at 10:51 AM

NoDonkey on November 19, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Mona Charen is a neocon. I would hardly expect her to support Palin. Since “Pretty Boy” Rich Lowery became editor, National Review has moved from being a conservative publication to a GOP establishment house organ.

bw222 on November 19, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Are you saying she shouldn’t be expected to own up to her actions when questioned about them?

Bradky on November 19, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Yes. She is immune to all questioning. Now shut up and go order your damn Palin 2012 shirts and bumper stickers, right now.

The debate is over./sarc

Brian1972 on November 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM

If I had one criticism of her, it would be the same thing others have mentioned upthread and that’s that she needs to lay off the lamestream media stuff. We all know they’re useless hacks who are in the tank for Obama and have treated her family egregiously. They have no credibility left so best to concentrate on other things at this point, I think.

NoLeftTurn on November 19, 2010 at 10:35 AM

We know they are useless hacks, but the majority of Americans don’t. Compare CNN’s ratings in 2008 with its ratings during a non-election year and you’ll discover the clout they still have.

Keeping quiet and not fighting back worked real well for Bush 43.

bw222 on November 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM

Actually, Karl Rove had nothing to do with that. That was Richard Armitage and other traitors over at State that were working to undermine President Bush’s foreign policy.

If Rove advised Bush not to pardon Libby, his advice was wrong. Libby did nothing wrong.

pdigaudio on November 19, 2010 at 10:51 AM

You may be correct however I suspect that Tokyo Rove had everything to do with that as his ass was also on the line, barely avoiding the treatment Scooter got and he admittedly advised W.,(wrongly as even acknowledged by him), to not fight back against his detractors lest it diminish the office of the Presidency.

Rather they both stood by while the Republican brand was tarred feathered and diminished to the point that a half black, jug eared, Marxist disciple and America hater was an acceptable alternative to a war hero and an innocent man languished in prison after being ordered by his superiors to testify in a kangaroo court!

Karl Rove should retire quietly he has done far and away enough damage to the Republican brand and as such is IRRELEVANT ROVE

dhunter on November 19, 2010 at 11:01 AM

What a waste of time. Palin can handle Rove just fine. Besides, he’s like the fading penis on the Seinfeld episode. Fading… fading…fading.

Call Snowe, Collins, Brownback and McCain on the Dream Act. This is what matters. This passes and the electoral calculus changes. And unlike Obamacare, it will never be repealed.

rrpjr on November 19, 2010 at 11:04 AM

serious contenders would chain their offspring to bedposts so they wouldn’t be tarnished with such an image.

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Can I just say now, chaining one’s offspring to a bedpost, regardless of reason, is a disqualifying action for the presidency in my book.

alwaysfiredup on November 19, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Karl Rove ruined the Republican Party and the Tea Party has rehabbed it. He is not a “genius”, he’s a hack who only knows how to play dirty.

Palin will win America over. Watch her. And all this “she shouldn’t run” is just so much noise. She has as much right to run as anyone else and the people who say she shouldn’t run (as opposed to shouldn’t win) are actually afraid she will win. You can’t stop her from running, folks. All you do is out your fear when you try.

alwaysfiredup on November 19, 2010 at 11:08 AM

The Moderates are afraid of losing all that money and support. Well, tough sh!t. Time to start heeding the base, or ignore at your peril. I personally don’t care which.

Miss_Anthrope on November 19, 2010 at 10:44 AM

I’m beginning to understand WHY Republicans lose elections. Too many “moderates” make no pretense of caring what the “conservative” base thinks/wants because they’re so busy chasing the votes of the more desireable “independents.” They’re willing to sell out their base in the hope that they can outpander the Democrats and attract Independents by eliminating many of the positions normally associated with the GOP. Heaven forbid the delicate sensitivites of Independents be offended by any crass socially conservative issues.

I also worry about the moderates who seem to think that the way to get Palin’s base to line up behind the insiders preferred nominee is to insult them and call them mindless dolts who are braindead for supporting such a stupid quitter as Palin. Do you all really think trashing her and her base before she has even formally declared that she’s running is likely to do anything but p*ss them off? Just speaking personally my initial reaction is F-you.

Keep it up and some may decide you and your preferred nominee aren’t really much better than another 4 years of Obama. Which is worse – Obama & the Dems owning the shafting the country quickly or the GOP doing the same just more slowly?

katiejane on November 19, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Mr Rove, Thank you for your service but your time has come and gone.
Go away.
You have become a joke in to WE THE PEOPLE and you help fuel the fires of the left.

ColdWarrior57 on November 19, 2010 at 11:14 AM

alwaysfiredup on November 19, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Little Miss Mona doesn’t really understand that if you don’t want her to run, the worst thing you can do is tell her not run.

Mona doesn’t even say in that NRO piece that she couldn’t beat Obama, she just acts like having Sarah Palin in the White House would be so mortifying to her delicate, sophisticated sensibilities that she would die of embarrassment.

Loaded with snobbery and condescension.

Mona, you are only helping to talk Sarah into doing it!

Brian1972 on November 19, 2010 at 11:16 AM

great article up at RCP about Palin :

Meanwhile, Palin’s small inner circle kept their eyes on the prize, pausing every now and then to chuckle at the dismissiveness of the Beltway establishment.

“Look at what’s happened over the past two years, and you tell me that we don’t have a more effective strategy than our peers,” Palin aide Michael Goldfarb told RealClearPolitics. “Who’s been able to get their message out more effectively? Who’s had greater influence? And you tell me why we should play by the same rules that the press wants everybody to play by. It doesn’t make any sense.”

Since resigning from office, Palin has proven time and again the primacy of her influence in the Republican Party, setting the tone and defining the parameters on issues ranging from health care to monetary policy. And she has done it by shattering the traditional rules of communication, using Twitter, Facebook, and her regular appearances on Fox News and conservative radio to bypass the traditional media to whom she and her staff have taken a special delight in deriding.

“She’s been very effective at setting up a new paradigm for communicating with people, and it’s been a great success,” Goldfarb said. “If that marginalizes reporters sometimes, well then boo-hoo.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/11/19/as_palin_eyes_2012_aides_relish_beltways_skepticism_108011.html

unseen on November 19, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Sarahcuda will have to compete and take her best shot just like all the contenders. If she wins, she wins. I’ll be there to support the winner, whoever it is. I don’t think Karl Rove or the rest of the RINOs will.

SurferDoc on November 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Karl is the ARCHITECT of the liberal, progressive Bush agenda that almost destroyed the Republican pary. He’s not only a RINO but, the grandaddy of all RINO’s. Everytime Palin speaks, Karl’s mask is removed farther and farther.

Redglen on November 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Now shut up and go order your damn Palin 2012 shirts and bumper stickers, right now.

The debate is over./sarc

Brian1972 on November 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM

I’ve already put the screen cap for this thread as my desktop wallpaper.

Bradky on November 19, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Rove has already passed the point of no return when it comes to relevance. He simply hasn’t realized it yet!

Nobody cares, Rove. Move along.

KinleyArdal on November 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Are you saying she shouldn’t be expected to own up to her actions when questioned about them?

Bradky on November 19, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Do you think that’s what I meant?

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Since “Pretty Boy” Rich Lowery became editor, National Review has moved from being a conservative publication to a GOP establishment house organ.
bw222 on November 19, 2010 at 10:51 AM

This is the reason I cancelled my subscription.

I see I’m not the only one who changes the channel when Tokyo Rove comes on. I wish he would be honest and yell us who has hired him to run their campaign.

The Hatefilled Left knew right away that Sarah Palin was formidable. Look how even Obama came unglued by her selection. He called her the Mayor of Wasilly and astonishingly stated that she had no executive experience but that he did running his campaign that Axelrod and Plouffe were running. Soros started the meltdown by having $500 b pulled out of the market. He saw that McCain/Palin had taken the lead because of Palin. After Palin’s convention speech where she fantastically mocked Obama and exposed the Naked Emperor the knives really came out for his supporters made exposed as fools. Sarah Palin stands between Soros and the destruction of the America we know and love.

Palin has a proven record of accomplishment and results plus the added bonus of being unabashedly proud of her Christian faith. This is why so many of defend and support her. Sarah Palin is a winner!

CCRWM on November 19, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Palin has a proven record of accomplishment and results plus the added bonus of being unabashedly proud of her Christian faith. This is why so many of defend and support her. Sarah Palin is a winner!

CCRWM on November 19, 2010 at 12:31 PM

My Democrat neighbors claim to like Sarah because the Obamacrats hate her, as do the Bush Republicans.

portlandon on November 19, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Shut up, Karl. Sounds like YOU are the over-sensitive one here.

clnurnberg on November 19, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Oh and just because 10 people have control of the microphone and keep telling millions of us that millions of us hate her doesn’t make it true. We’re not stupid, we can see she is very popular. She gets thousands to see her in all types of venues, millions watched her show and millions have a favorable enough opinion of her daughter that we tune in to see her dance. Don’t accept the LSM’s meme she isn’t liked or the biased polls that paint her as lagging behind Romney of all people.

CCRWM on November 19, 2010 at 12:42 PM

drballard on November 18, 2010 at 10:36 PM

Last I checked, 53% is STILL a majority – your point?

PJ Emeritus on November 19, 2010 at 1:14 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/17/palin-a-hero-to-many-in-tea-party-but-not-their-pick-for-president/

Good article esp re Branstad endorsement and interviews with Tea Partiers. Ol Karl may know what he is talking about.
Palinbots start the flames….

Bradky on November 19, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Palin please toughen up

conservador on November 19, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Rove is just takeing early jabs waiting to back Romney when he jumps in.

KBird on November 19, 2010 at 1:23 PM

Bringing Rove in to bash Palin is like bringing a knife to a gunfight

PJ Emeritus on November 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM

And all of you telling Palin to “toughen up” and “stop whining” have been successfully misdirected.

It’s HER SUPPORTERS doing the “whining” not SP.

She demonstrated her mettle (in a very Reaganesque way) right there in the same story, with her behavior upon meetling Rove in person.

Catch a clue.

PJ Emeritus on November 19, 2010 at 1:28 PM

If I had one criticism of her, it would be the same thing others have mentioned upthread and that’s that she needs to lay off the lamestream media stuff. We all know they’re useless hacks who are in the tank for Obama and have treated her family egregiously. They have no credibility left so best to concentrate on other things at this point, I think.
NoLeftTurn on November 19, 2010 at 10:35 AM
I think this is wrong.
You say, “we all know”, but who is “we”?
When they lie or distort or omit, they should be called on it. Forcefully, directly.
You are proposing letting them get away with what they have always gotten away with, and I for one am convinced things have to change in our modern media landscape.
I am certain after what has happened to her with the Democrat Liberal Media Complex, she has decided that same thing. I have heard her say it more than once.
She wants to do something about our corrupt political activist fake journalist community.
they should be held to account when necessary, and the bastards keep making it necessary, every day.
Others have been toiling away doing that pretty well, such as the Media Research Center, but she can focus attention on it like on one else.
Hell, she can make them cover her criticizing them.
Brent Bozell can’t do that.
Maybe, as an official candidate, the tone of her counterattacks could stand a change, less catchphrasing, a little more reserved, but still, stand up for yourself.
Brian1972 on November 19, 2010 at 10:49 AM

No, I’m not suggesting she should lie down and take it like Bush did. I’m saying I think she is more effective at countering that by doing some of the other things she has been doing. Her appearances on DWTS, her TLC show, the speeches and stumping for other candidates, her book tours, Facebook and Twitter — I think these things will do much more to rehab her image among braindead “independents” than talking about the increasingly irrelevant and partisan hacks on MSNBC.

NoLeftTurn on November 19, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Sarah lost my vote when she quit her job as governor of Alaska.

Old Fritz on November 19, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Sarah lost my vote when she quit her job as governor of Alaska.

Old Fritz on November 19, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Like the good General said some folks are just Stuck On Stupid!

dhunter on November 19, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Sarah lost my vote when she quit her job as governor of Alaska.

Old Fritz on November 19, 2010 at 2:29 PM

I … give up.

Good for you Fritz. I suspect you won’t be voting around 2012.

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 2:42 PM

When Obama was overreactive, he sent out real minions to whine for him. Sarah doesn’t have any minions, except real people writing e-mails.

This is starting to be really silly.

AnninCA on November 19, 2010 at 3:51 PM

I think Sarah is really using media much more effectively than most any other politician. The Alaskan Show is a case in point. It honestly is a folksy political showcase piece. And TLC was perfect for the idea. They needed the ratings. She needed a generous director.

Compare this to the phony townhalls McCain and Clinton tried. Boy, talk about bombing. If Rove wants to talk presidential, my take is opposite. I’m sick of inept presidents. I’d like one who can actually implement an idea.

And so far, that’s her.

AnninCA on November 19, 2010 at 3:54 PM

When a turd blossom speaks it’s bound to really stink.

ReneePA on November 19, 2010 at 4:45 PM

I still am interested in Rove’s analysis, but I just feel much better informed today after watching his actions in the mid-terms.

I don’t take anything he says at face value anymore. I check it out.

That’s OK. He’s a PR guy. I suspect that’s the real message to the public. Hey guys, I’m like Carville for the GOP.

That’s a PR guy.

AnninCA on November 19, 2010 at 5:18 PM

The only thing Karl Rove is guilty of is being blunt and giving his honest opinion. Apparently there are some people out there who just can not stand that.

Terrye on November 19, 2010 at 5:53 PM

The only thing Karl Rove is guilty of is being blunt and giving his honest opinion. Apparently there are some people out there who just can not stand that.

Terrye on November 19, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Nah … Rove has a hide thick as an elephant after years in DC. Whining about something that should be nothing means he’s scheming.

darwin on November 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Its time for Rove to go away.

American Elephant on November 19, 2010 at 7:37 PM

I’m not a Palin fan or a hater so I have an interesting perspective on this.
Yes some Palin supporters are quick with the shiv to the spine when there is criticsm of Sarah. It’s not right, but to be expected after what was done to her by both sides.
What really stands out to me is the raw, emotional and irrational hatred of Palin by certain “Republicans”. They sound just like the liberals who bash her, and that should be a clue when they have to use disproven attacks as support for their opposition.
For you moderates out there, you don’t have much to worry about. RINOs on the other hand, most certainly do. Something else that should be mentioned is that we Conservatives recall how you RINOs and establishment types treated us during the McCain presidential run. We haven’t forgotten and now your attempts at running us over are coming back to haunt you. There is room in the party for moderates. There isn’t any for RINOs.

Hard Right on November 19, 2010 at 8:07 PM

There is room in the party for moderates. There isn’t any for RINOs.

Hard Right on November 19, 2010 at 8:07 PM

I like that, that is good.
A RINO is just like the married man that lies to the single girl to get her in his bed!

He is a dishonest coward who is too chickensh.t to ask for what he wants and suffer the potential consequences rather he gets what he wants through subterfuge and lies… in fact he lives a lie and one can only hope it consumes his soul!

dhunter on November 19, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Carl Rove is a buggy whip trying to find employment in the space age.

landlines on November 20, 2010 at 12:49 PM

Carl Rove is organizing huge money groups. There’s no question on that.

He also opposes Palin, the teaparties, etc. There’s no question about that.

He is the split in the party this time.

There’s no question about that.

AnninCA on November 20, 2010 at 1:31 PM

I think he’s still very respectable, but his O’Donnel stuff really hurt his credibility. Why? Simple. He didn’t even bother to check his facts.

I think he really, really hurt his own credibility with that measure.

That’s his choice. That’s his strategy.

But as far as what’s good for the country?

I decided in that election, it’s not him.

He’s just all about power and tricks.

AnninCA on November 20, 2010 at 1:34 PM

FU carl.
you are plantation class I have NO respect for you.

allrsn on November 20, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Karl always claims that as a Fox News analyst it’s his duty to attack Sarah Palin.

Here’s hoping Sarah’s Fox News duties include attacking Karl and cutting him down about a dozen notchs so he can get his head out of his …

RJL on November 20, 2010 at 5:09 PM

AnninCA on November 20, 2010 at 1:34 PM

What kind of pharmaceutical intake does one need to have to acquire this type of monosyllabic expression?

Inanemergencydial on November 21, 2010 at 12:36 AM

Write a short summary of everything Palin has done in the last 24 months. NY Times bestselling author, successful grassroots activist, television commentator, TV show superstar (her show has had, literally, record ratings), resigning governorship, etc, etc.

Think on that summary/list of things. For a couple minutes.

Now replace “Palin” with “Obama”.

Didn’t we criticize Obama for this exact same type of list just 2 years ago?

BocaJuniors on November 21, 2010 at 4:28 AM

Didn’t we criticize Obama for this exact same type of list just 2 years ago?

BocaJuniors on November 21, 2010 at 4:28 AM

You betcha!

Dark-Star on November 21, 2010 at 9:06 PM

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