Crisis Pregnancy Centers Under Attack

posted at 11:30 am on November 17, 2010 by Matt Lewis

On Tuesday, the New York City Council held a hearing on whether or not to require crisis pregnancy centers to post signs at their entrance saying they do not offer abortions or give out contraception.  (They would also be required to include such a disclaimer on advertising).

Similar ordinances have been recently proposed in Austin, Texas and Baltimore, Maryland.

Predictably, pro-choice groups like Planned Parenthood and NARAL are behind the push.  As The Wall Street Journal reported, Kelli Conlin, president of NARAL Pro-Choice New York, said:  “Unfortunately when a woman enters a crisis pregnancy center…she is confronted with bias counseling, anti-abortion propaganda and deception…”

This strikes me as interesting for a few reasons.

First, the name “Planned Parenthood” is, of course, a misnomer.  NARAL, whose acronym originally stood for “National Abortion Rights Action League,” was, perhaps, more honest (which is probably why they dropped their full name).  As such, it is ironic that these groups are accusing crisis pregnancy centers of misleading the public.

But I’m willing to suggest a modest compromise here.  If crisis pregnancy centers are forced to post signage at their front door saying they don’t offer abortions, then Planned Parenthood should also required to post a similar signs saying they do offer (or encourage, as the case may be) abortions.

After all, if a woman entering a crisis pregnancy center can be confronted with biased counseling, isn’t it also possible — or likely — that a woman entering a Planned Parenthood might also receive biased counseling?  My hunch is that many women who go to a Planned Parenthood have no intention of seeking an abortion … until after their counseling.

If a woman wants an abortion, and a crisis pregnancy center will not perform it, she can simply go to a facility that will.  The only thing that might happen to her at the crisis pregnancy center is that she might hear an argument for keeping her baby, or for adoption.  Nobody there can force her to keep her baby.  So why would pro choice groups want to limit the amount of information a woman has before making that choice?

Of course, the real answer here is that Planned Parenthood and NARAL aren’t just pro-choice … they are really pro-abortion.

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If crisis pregnancy centers are forced to post signage at their front door saying they don’t offer abortions, then Planned Parenthood should also required to post a similar signs saying they do offer (or encourage, as the case may be) abortions.

as long as there is the requisite photo of a dead baby posted alongside the sign just like we’ll have on our packs of Pall Malls then all’s cool.

same same.

ted c on November 17, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Note: This is my first guest post at HotAir!

Welcome! watch out for Lorien. He’ll stalk the entrances of CPCs knowing that the gals put out.///

ted c on November 17, 2010 at 11:34 AM

We want abortions safe, legal and rare!

Well, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.

mankai on November 17, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Planned Parenthood should also required to post a similar signs saying they do offer (or encourage profit from, as the case may be) abortions.

CDeb on November 17, 2010 at 11:35 AM

If crisis pregnancy centers are forced to post signage at their front door saying they don’t offer abortions, then Planned Parenthood should also required to post a similar signs saying they do offer (or encourage, as the case may be) abortions.
as long as there is the requisite photo of a dead baby posted alongside the sign just like we’ll have on our packs of Pall Malls then all’s cool.

same same.

ted c on November 17, 2010 at 11:33 AM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

But I’m willing to suggest a modest compromise here. If crisis pregnancy centers are forced to post signage at their front door saying they don’t offer abortions, then Planned Parenthood should also required to post a similar signs saying they do offer (or encourage, as the case may be) abortions.

Maybe some graphic warning label/photos (like the ones libs want for cig packs) should be required on Planned Parenthood front doors as well…

Midas on November 17, 2010 at 11:38 AM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Better go kill those kids! Who gave them a right to live?

mankai on November 17, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Ted beat me to it…

Midas on November 17, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Hey what just happend to the HAS poll thread? It got disappeared!

pseudonominus on November 17, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Excellent post, welcome to the site! And spot on, NARAL and PP have no interest in planning parenthood past making sure it doesn’t occur.

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 11:39 AM

she is confronted with bias counseling, anti-abortion propaganda and deception

You mean like it’s a baby and not an unviable tissue mass? Horrors!

Why should Crisis Pregnancy Centers have to put a disclaimer out that they don’t offer contraception? You go there because you are pregnant, at which point contraception is rather mute.

Beaglemom on November 17, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Okay, for what it’s worth, do it…window dressing. Not all, but most women who show up at either kind of counseling center(pro or anti abortion)have their minds made up anyway and eventually will follow wherever their own choices lead. For the few who can be influenced these places might play a small role pro or con in the bigger picture–if such exists.

jeanie on November 17, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Hm, my earlier comment seems to have gotten eaten. Any grues around?

If crisis pregnancy centers are forced to post signage at their front door saying they don’t offer abortions, then Planned Parenthood should also required to post a similar signs saying they do offer (or encourage, as the case may be) abortions.

How about this deal, if PP makes money off of abortions, require them to have signs saying “we make money off abortions.” That way pregnant women will know that there is a financial incentive when PP counsels them for an abortion.

rbj on November 17, 2010 at 11:40 AM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Indeed, because morally bankrupt men like you won’t do a damned thing to help.

Keep on justifying yourself in your mind, Jimbo, it’s not going to do you any good at all.

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 11:40 AM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Ah, the resident idiot appears, of course.

Hey Jimbo – what % of abortions result in dead babies? What % of unaborted babies result in barefoot mommas in trailer parks?

I have to believe (even hope, perhaps) that at some level you’re not as intellectually vacant as you appear from your posts.

Midas on November 17, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Glad somebody is finally deciding for us who gets to live and who should die.

Black women are more than 4.8 times more likely than non-Hispanic white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are 2.7 times as likely (AGI).

Maybe a picture of black lady should be used next to a picture of Margaret Sanger with the caption “Count It!” underneath.

You leftists disgust me.

mankai on November 17, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Forcing anyone to say anything is tyranny.

Akzed on November 17, 2010 at 11:43 AM

“Unfortunately when a woman enters a crisis pregnancy center…she is confronted with bias counseling, anti-abortion propaganda and deception…”

Which differs from a Planned Parenthood clinic where she is confronted with bias counseling, pro-abortion propaganda and deception.

Given a choice between the two I favor the non-murder center.

darwin on November 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Kelli Conlin, president of NARAL Pro-Choice New York, said: “Unfortunately when a woman enters a crisis pregnancy center…she is confronted with bias counseling, anti-abortion propaganda and deception…”

Unlike a Planned Parenthood, where you are confronted with bias counseling, pro-abortion propaganda and deception?

Please.

portlandon on November 17, 2010 at 11:45 AM

I have to believe (even hope, perhaps) that at some level you’re not as intellectually vacant as you appear from your posts.

Midas on November 17, 2010 at 11:40 AM

It isn’t an intellectual, but rather, an emotional vacancy in that man. He is void of empathy.

I wonder if Jimbo considers that such is the reasoning that led to Action T4.

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 11:46 AM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Aren’t you for aborting children up to the age of 7 years old?

portlandon on November 17, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Now I’ve worked at a Crisis PRegnancy Center: we were required to give information on abortions if the woman asked for it. We did tell them that we didn’t provide abortions, nor did we actually send them to abortion clinics but we were required to give them a location to get information on abortion if they asked for it.

I wouldn’t call that biased. We just gave the women options, explaining that there are other alternatives such as adoption and keeping the baby where we could provide support in either area.

When a woman goes to Planned Parenthood they just send them to the abortion clinic and say not a word on other options.

Who’s biased?

Cookies Mom on November 17, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Yes, let’s force a litany of regs, disclaimers, & signs at the non-medical, non-profit business, but let the for-profit, taxpayer-funded, surgical clinic gets to give all of the biased “counseling” they want w/o govt intrusion.

itsnotaboutme on November 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM

silly me, I thought we were supposed to set aside this social stuff until the federal budget was under control.

Boy, I really fell for that one. Didn’t we have a poll on it recently?

Skandia Recluse on November 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Congrats on your post Matt.

Great points.

Cubachi on November 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Note: This is my first guest post at HotAir!

Good choice of topics for your first post ever. 500 400 300 250 comments or bust! For what it’s worth, abortion is the make or break issue for me. If any politician does not have the common sense to stand firmly on the right side of this issue, I have zero faith that they will stand firm on any other issue.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM

“Unfortunately when a woman enters a crisis pregnancy center…she is confronted with bias counseling, anti-abortion propaganda and deception…”

I know a woman who runs a couple of crisis pregnancy centers. In her younger years, she worked as a receptionist at an abortion clinic. She says that her main job was to keep potential clients (I won’t say “patients”) from leaving without aborting their babies.

tgharris on November 17, 2010 at 11:51 AM

biased counseling

Of course CPCs have an agenda, as do PPs. One wants desperately to save lives, & the other wants desperately to make money.

itsnotaboutme on November 17, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Soon restaurant menus will be forced to supply a whole page of items they don’t offer.

This is ridiculous.

portlandon on November 17, 2010 at 11:52 AM

How about if PP posted signs stating that they abort for profit and if the abortionist (doctor) is compensated on a commission basis or not?

av8tr on November 17, 2010 at 11:53 AM

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Ditto to everything you said!

itsnotaboutme on November 17, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Matt,

NARAL originally stood for:

National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws

It was later renamed:

National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League

Never underestimate the Left in their propaganda.

This is a fascinating article on Bernard Nathanson, M.D., who was a co-founder of NARAL. He’s now pro-life. In it he speaks of the creation of some of NARAL’s original slogans, and how they fabricated polls and statistics to push their abortion agenda.

“Women must have control over their own bodies.”

“Safe and legal abortion is every woman’s right.”

“Who decides? You decide!”

“Freedom of choice – a basic American right.”

The “pro-choice movement’s” emotionally compelling slogans – fierce rallying cries of the most successful political marketing campaign in modern history, which made abortion-on-demand legal in the U.S.A. – have been powerful rhetorical weapons for fighting off efforts to reverse Roe v. Wade, coming up on its 30th anniversary next month.

“I remember laughing when we made those slogans up,” recalls Bernard Nathanson, M.D., co-founder of pro-abortion group NARAL, reminiscing about the early days of the abortion-rights movement in the late ’60s and early ’70s. “We were looking for some sexy, catchy slogans to capture public opinion. They were very cynical slogans then, just as all of these slogans today are very, very cynical.”

INC on November 17, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Very few women actually take the advice of these so-called counselors finally. They might be influenced for the moment, but in the end, will do what they choose and what works for them or their close confidants. I do not know of stats, though I suppose there are some, but these counseling centers actually have minimal influence in the final decision with most woman. These places exaggerate their influence…on either side of the argument.

jeanie on November 17, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Good choice of topics for your first post ever. 500 400 300 250 comments or bust! For what it’s worth, abortion is the make or break issue for me. If any politician does not have the common sense to stand firmly on the right side of this issue, I have zero faith that they will stand firm on any other issue.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM

I could not possibly agree more.

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Indeed, because morally bankrupt men like you won’t do a damned thing to help.

Keep on justifying yourself in your mind, Jimbo, it’s not going to do you any good at all.

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Just a suggestion: You shouldn’t link your name to your Final Fantasy game ID. It may make people think that you’re no different than supposed leftists like me that supposedly hang out all day in their parents’ basement.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:59 AM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

I’m sorry, but I don’t think Ms. Cartman ever got 40th trimester abortions approved. Or did she? It’s been a while, I can’t remember.

loudmouth883 on November 17, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Unfortunately when a woman enters a crisis pregnancy center…she is confronted with bias counseling, anti-abortion propaganda and deception…”
Which differs from a Planned Parenthood clinic where she is confronted with bias counseling, pro-abortion propaganda and deception.

Given a choice between the two I favor the non-murder center.

darwin on November 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM

A woman entering a Planned Parenthood clinic also knows up front they do abortions or abortion referrals.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Now I’ve worked at a Crisis PRegnancy Center: we were required to give information on abortions if the woman asked for it. We did tell them that we didn’t provide abortions, nor did we actually send them to abortion clinics but we were required to give them a location to get information on abortion if they asked for it.

I wouldn’t call that biased. We just gave the women options, explaining that there are other alternatives such as adoption and keeping the baby where we could provide support in either area.

When a woman goes to Planned Parenthood they just send them to the abortion clinic and say not a word on other options.

Who’s biased?

Cookies Mom on November 17, 2010 at 11:49 AM

My understanding is that Crisis Preganancy Centers aren’t required to do that, and that most don’t. Do you know if what you did was “standard” across the US?

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 12:03 PM

tgharris on November 17, 2010 at 11:51 AM

The testimonies of many women who are former associates of that industry are horrifying.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 12:04 PM

then Planned Parenthood should also required to post a similar signs saying they do offer (or encourage, as the case may be) abortions.

Why don’t we just use the same logic the FDA want to use for cigarettes?

At Planned Parenthood we could have the pictures of the aborted children and sonogram pictures.
At the Crisis Pregnancy Center we could have pictures of adopted children laughing on playgrounds.

Heard a great line:
Kill an unborn eagle (egg) and get 10 years in Federal Prison.
Kill an unborn human (fetus) and get Federal subsidies.

barnone on November 17, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Just a suggestion: You shouldn’t link your name to your Final Fantasy game ID. It may make people think that you’re no different than supposed leftists like me that supposedly hang out all day in their parents’ basement.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:59 AM

I aim to be disarmingly ordinary. Standard Midwest cornfield kid, decent job, owns his house, plays lots of video games, owns a veritable armory of swords and guns, lookin’ for a nice gamer chick to start a family.

If people think it’s laughable, I’m happy to double down on it.

See this?

Yeah, that was made for me. It’s in my business office. :D Freaks my employees out.

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Nobody there can force her to keep her baby. So why would pro choice groups want to limit the amount of information a woman has before making that choice?

Because they aren’t “pro-choice”, those groups are pro-abortion.

forest on November 17, 2010 at 12:07 PM

I received these special sunglasses from Roddy Piper.

That sign that says Keep Abortion Legal, really says Keep Killing Our Offspring.

rukiddingme on November 17, 2010 at 12:07 PM

After all, if a woman entering a crisis pregnancy center can be confronted with biased counseling, isn’t it also possible — or likely — that a woman entering a Planned Parenthood might also receive biased counseling? My hunch is that many women who go to a Planned Parenthood have no intention of seeking an abortion … until after their counseling.

You argument fails, because it is simply not true that Planned Parenthood is even close to the level of bias which women hear at Crisis Pregnancy Centers. While I have no doubt that some woman have been encouraged to get abortions at Planned Parenthood, such encouragement is not policy and is mostly directed towards girls unlikely to be effective parents and towards women with babies who will require much care and expense to survive.

Planned Parenthood also tells the truth to its patients. Meanwhile, “Crisis Pregnancy” make no effort to tell the truth. They are still trying to scare young women with lies discredited in the early 90′s like having an abortion increases your chance of breast cancer. In fact, having an abortion doesn’t increase your chance of breast cancer over not getting pregnant to start with. It is true that completing a teenage pregnancy appears to reduce your risk of breast cancer, but that certainly doesn’t mean we should force all teenage girls to have a kid. Anyway, avoiding getting a sun burn will do much more to increase your life expectancy. I guess technically this example is more of a half-truth than a lie, but it’s still dishonest.

thuja on November 17, 2010 at 12:09 PM

But … this is New York City – which is part of a Communist state. I really don’t care.

In Mississippi – there’s one abortion clinic – until we can shut that one down. In Louisiana – there’s four (with two of those in New Orleans). Doubful we’ll get rid of the ones in the Democratic stranglehold of NOLA – but the other two we’re hopeful for.

We have around 30 or more Crisis Pregnancy Centers in Louisiana – with more being added everyday. They operate freely – and with the blessing of the community. This cannot be said of the abortion clinics here – and we’re pretty proud of that.

HondaV65 on November 17, 2010 at 12:09 PM

After all, if a woman entering a crisis pregnancy center can be confronted with biased counseling, isn’t it also possible — or likely — that a woman entering a Planned Parenthood might also receive biased counseling?

Planned Parenthood gives the same even handed advice on whether or not you should pay them for an abortion that your average used car salesman would give you if you went to his lot and asked if a used car was the right choice for you…

18-1 on November 17, 2010 at 12:11 PM

thuja on November 17, 2010 at 12:09 PM

The only thing dishonest is your post. Planned Parenthood has been caught red handed covering up for child molesters.

Nuff Said. Bias? Hell I don’t know – but they’re enthusiastic enough about killing children that they’re willing to allow child molesters off the hook – so it’s not a far stretch to assume they’re also biased.

HondaV65 on November 17, 2010 at 12:12 PM

I have a better sign for Planned Extermination,
“Mord macht frei”

Maybe a snappy death’s head skull with “PP” under it just to attract the younger post modern crowd.

Hening on November 17, 2010 at 12:14 PM

See this?

Yeah, that was made for me. It’s in my business office. :D Freaks my employees out.

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 12:06 PM

LOL. Alright dude. Thread’s over. You win.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 12:15 PM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Flanked by a picture of a recent college graduate with no children captioned by:

“I am a person of strong moral conviction and I did not allow Jimbo3 to shove his unprotected, pathetic excuse for a penis into me.”

oldfiveanddimer on November 17, 2010 at 12:16 PM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Some of the greatest people in the world’s history grew up under adverse conditions. By your reasoning, they should have been aborted, simply because they didn’t come into the world with a set of pre-defined economic advantage.

zoyclem on November 17, 2010 at 12:19 PM

This why Christians who claim to be pro-life cannot support Democrats.

http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/p/christians-cannot-be-pro-choice-or.html

By doing so these Christians are helping to advance a pro-abortion agenda. They only choice that will be tolerated is the one that ends in the death of the baby.

Help a pro-life clinic here in California.

http://wpcc4life.org/

Blue Collar Todd on November 17, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Such little regard for the life of the unborn, by some. This subject often saddens, and angers me. I don’t know what else to offer to this subject that I haven’t already.

All I can say is, those that feel it’s right, and just to kill an innocent….karma is a b!tch and it rears it’s head when you least expect it. My fervent hope is…when it does…you recognize it, and learn from it. If you don’t….it will only continue to come down upon you.

capejasmine on November 17, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

I haven’t read all the comments yet, this one stopped me. This is the most offfensive comment I have read on Hot Air yet.
Jim is Margaret Sanger.

ORconservative on November 17, 2010 at 12:22 PM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

My son’s birth mother chose adoption, because she knew she couldn’t care for him. If you’re trying to make the case in favor of aborting unwanted children, this doesn’t cut it.

JannyMae on November 17, 2010 at 12:24 PM

National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League

Shouldn’t it be NARRAL, then?

Idiot Dems.

Missy on November 17, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Heard a great line:
Kill an unborn eagle (egg) and get 10 years in Federal Prison.
Kill an unborn human (fetus) and get Federal subsidies.
barnone on November 17, 2010 at 12:06 PM

after the goose strikes of aircraft there was a specific set of rules placed for the destruction of the eggs in nests

I cannot remember exactly how they went but there was a field test to determine the gestation stage of the egg and if it were to far along you were forbidden from terminating it

typical lefty conundrum bs

animals have more rights and protections than humans

Sonosam on November 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Predictably, pro-choice groups like Planned Parenthood and NARAL are behind the push.

Since they don’t offer counseling for options other than abortion (like adoption etc). they shouldn’t be allowed to use the word “parenthood” in their name.

disa on November 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Just a suggestion: You shouldn’t link your name to your Final Fantasy game ID. It may make people think that you’re no different than supposed leftists like me that supposedly hang out all day in their parents’ basement.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:59 AM
I aim to be disarmingly ordinary. Standard Midwest cornfield kid, decent job, owns his house, plays lots of video games, owns a veritable armory of swords and guns, lookin’ for a nice gamer chick to start a family.

If people think it’s laughable, I’m happy to double down on it.

See this?

Yeah, that was made for me. It’s in my business office. :D Freaks my employees out.

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Don’t hurt yourself. I had a friend who had a replica of Rambo’s knife in First Blood I made for him. It was much smaller and easily used, of course.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 12:29 PM

You argument fails, because it is simply not true that Planned Parenthood is even close to the level of bias which women hear at Crisis Pregnancy Centers. While I have no doubt that some woman have been encouraged to get abortions at Planned Parenthood, such encouragement is not policy and is mostly directed towards girls unlikely to be effective parents and towards women with babies who will require much care and expense to survive. thuja on November 17, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Who gives these freaks the right to make these determinations thuja? What are the guidelines? How about a little “selective breeding” while we’re at it???

Rovin on November 17, 2010 at 12:29 PM

mankai on November 17, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Was going to make a very similar post. +1

strictnein on November 17, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

I haven’t read all the comments yet, this one stopped me. This is the most offfensive comment I have read on Hot Air yet.
Jim is Margaret Sanger.

ORconservative on November 17, 2010 at 12:22 PM

You must not read comments much.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 12:31 PM

LOL. Alright dude. Thread’s over. You win.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 12:15 PM

You can own one too!! Cost me about seven hundred to have it made. 0.o It’s a great piece for starting a conversation.

“Alright, let’s start this meeting with a – what the hell is that?”

“Oh, that? Family heirloom.”

“Is it real…”

“yeah, sure, I’ve got some pallets out back, I’ll show you!”

Message that dude on Youtube if you fancy having yourself a woodchopping sword! Impress your friends! Impress your wife O.o score some brownie points!

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 12:31 PM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Actually Jimbo3, unlike Planned Parenthood who offer their “services” and then send the woman out on her own to deal with the consequences, Crisis Pregnancy Centers would help the barefoot woman in your clever little scene to find an adoptive home for her new baby. If she chose to keep the child they would offer baby supplies (diapers, food, clothes, strollers and such) as well as parenting classes for her and the father. They would also help connect her with social services that could get her out of her current situation.

On the other hand, if she chose to kill her little…what would you call him? I imagine something like “worthless trailer-trash baby,” the would offer her post-abortive counseling to help mitigate the psychological effects of her decision.

29Victor on November 17, 2010 at 12:32 PM

You should be flattered Jimbo, with that comment you outdid yourself.

ORconservative on November 17, 2010 at 12:32 PM

You must not read comments much

No, Jimbo. Your disgusting disregard for life is just that horrific.

Vera on November 17, 2010 at 12:33 PM

You must not read comments much.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 12:31 PM

I notice you don’t respond to points made about your comments. Why am I not surprised?

JannyMae on November 17, 2010 at 12:33 PM

My understanding is that Crisis Preganancy Centers aren’t required to do that, and that most don’t. Do you know if what you did was “standard” across the US?

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 12:03 PM

I think it was just the requirement at the center I worked at. We didn’t come out and give the women information on abortions, if they didn’t ask about abortions then we didn’t bring it up. But if they did bring it up, we told them that we didn’t provide any but could send them to another place where they could get information.

Cookies Mom on November 17, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Vera on November 17, 2010 at 12:33 PM
I’m glad someone else sees it. I and physically disgusted.

ORconservative on November 17, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Vera on November 17, 2010 at 12:33 PM
I’m glad someone else sees it. I and physically disgusted.

ORconservative on November 17, 2010 at 12:34 PM

I’m right there with both of you.

JannyMae on November 17, 2010 at 12:35 PM

You argument fails, because it is simply not true that Planned Parenthood is even close to the level of bias which women hear at Crisis Pregnancy Centers. While I have no doubt that some woman have been encouraged to get abortions at Planned Parenthood, such encouragement is not policy and is mostly directed towards girls unlikely to be effective parents and towards women with babies who will require much care and expense to survive. Planned Parenthood also tells the truth to its patients. Meanwhile, “Crisis Pregnancy” make no effort to tell the truth. They are still trying to scare young women with lies discredited in the early 90′s like having an abortion increases your chance of breast cancer. In fact, having an abortion doesn’t increase your chance of breast cancer over not getting pregnant to start with. It is true that completing a teenage pregnancy appears to reduce your risk of breast cancer, but that certainly doesn’t mean we should force all teenage girls to have a kid. Anyway, avoiding getting a sun burn will do much more to increase your life expectancy. I guess technically this example is more of a half-truth than a lie, but it’s still dishonest.

thuja on November 17, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Does the sun rise in the West in your alternate universe? Or are you just new to the internet and unaware of the last decade of Lila Rose-type stings exposing Planned Parenthood and their routine practice of lying to girls and doing whatever is necessary to ensure that they choose to have an abortion?

RachDubya on November 17, 2010 at 12:36 PM

am not and………….can’t even type.I need to disinfect my computer.
You gotta love Jimbo though, here we have a person who will happily tell us that the right is all kinds of nasty, bigotted things and then he posts and all the irony in the world is contained in one post.

ORconservative on November 17, 2010 at 12:37 PM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Gee, thanks for sharing your formative years with us.

BigWyo on November 17, 2010 at 12:39 PM

If you’re looking for a decent charity to spend your hard-earned dollars on, always, always have a look at your local crisis pregnancy centers.

Baby supplies, adoption services, shoulder to cry on, classes for parents, counseling, you name it. I am hard pressed to think of a better use of money than to help a struggling young family stabilize.

Winter’s coming, and it’ll be a harsh one this year. If you have some dollars to spare, please check your local crisis pregnancy center and see what they need! Or, if you have some spare time, help fix things up around their building. Not all baby facilities get federal aid.

Well, that’s not accurate. The ones that kill babies get federal aid. The ones that nurture them are left in the cold.

Christmas spirit, people, Christmas spirit!!

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Thanks for this Matt. You can add Washington State (the only state to get an A+ from NARAL) to your list of states where they’ve tried this.

To be more specific, bills were discussed in committee that Crisis Pregnancy Centers be required to put on every piece of literature notification of EVERYTHING that they don’t provide. In English and Spanish, in a certain size font.

29Victor on November 17, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Carol Everett used to own an abortion clinic. She wrote a book called Blood Money.

She got her training from Planned Parenthood, then went out on her own because she could make more money.

She gave a presentation in a pro-life forum that I sat in last summer in which she detailed how the abortion industry “creates” unwanted pregnancies to drive the numbers of abortions by giving out free contraceptives (condoms) to kids that are actually very low grade factory seconds, knowing that some 15 year old kid is going to stick it in his wallet or pocket, sit on it for 3 weeks, then use this condom full of holes to have “safe” sex. They also issue low dose contraceptive pills, that must be meticulously administered on a very timely schedule in order to be effective, to teenagers (whom we all know are never going to be as consistent and meticulous as the medication requires).

Even more nefariously, they are trained to offer their services to school systems for free, and attempt to remove the children’s parents as their authority on sex. First, they break down the kids natural modesty by putting them in mixed classrooms and make a few slightly off color jokes (under the guise of relating to the kids on their level). They follow that up with the clincher: “Your parents don’t really understand you at all sexually, do they?” No 5th or 6th grader ever would say, “actually, they do.” And the kids will never go talk to their parents about what happened in class because they are all too embarrassed to have that kind of discussion with their parents.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 12:42 PM

But I’m willing to suggest a modest compromise here. If crisis pregnancy centers are forced to post signage at their front door saying they don’t offer abortions, then Planned Parenthood should also required to post a similar signs saying they do offer (or encourage, as the case may be) abortion

Truth in advertising, isn’t there already a law that states an org can’t mislead potential clients?

Planned Parenthood – we will vacuum your uterus, no question asked, same day service\ sarc.

Dr Evil on November 17, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Carol Everett used to own an abortion clinic. She wrote a book called Blood Money.

She got her training from Planned Parenthood, then went out on her own because she could make more money.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 12:42 PM

To clarify, she has since become a believer, and subsequently wrote her book and began to expose the abortion industry for the evil that it is.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Vera on November 17, 2010 at 12:33 PM
ORconservative on November 17, 2010 at 12:34 PM
JannyMae on November 17, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Know ye not, Jimbo3

I have not been involved in an abortion, so far as I know, but I would counsel my daughter to have one and would pay for it. I also have given money to PP.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 5:43 PM

rukiddingme on November 17, 2010 at 12:50 PM

I think PP is one of the most evil organizations in the world. By what measure they judge they should be judged. They should post that they are in the killing humans business for profit and their human of choice to kill is one of color.

CCRWM on November 17, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Baby supplies, adoption services, shoulder to cry on, classes for parents, counseling, you name it. I am hard pressed to think of a better use of money than to help a struggling young family stabilize.

KinleyArdal on November 17, 2010 at 12:40 PM

STD testing, post-abortive and post-miscarriage counseling, and in some — ultrasounds.

KinleyArdal, I wonder if you have heard of an all-volunteer nonprofit that I work with called 4US. The “US” stands for Ultrasounds and the 4…well it stands for “for,” you get the picture.

4US’s sole purpose for existing is to raise money to purchase ultrasounds (and US training and equipment) for crisis pregnancy centers. Because a woman who sees her child on an ultrasound has a 96+% chance of choosing life (which explains why NARAL and Planned Parenthood are working so hard to make using ultrasounds for “non medical reasons” illegal).

Every year our main fundraiser is run/walk/bike ride event here in Tacoma. In the last six years we’ve been able to purchase 16(?) ultrasounds and outfitted every crisis pregnancy center in Pierce County and a few others in Washington State.

Now we’re branching out to help people across the country raise money to buy ultrasounds for their local crisis pregnancy centers. It’s pretty darn cool.

29Victor on November 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM

tgharris on November 17, 2010 at 11:51 AM

In her 20′s, a close friend of mine had the mentality that a ‘fetus’ was no different from a parasite (very common for the time – early 70′s).

She and her husband did not want to have kids but she ended up pregnant with twins (in spite of the fact that she was on birth control).

She went in for an abortion. At the time, a married woman getting an abortion was required by law to have either permission from her husband (under the ‘crazy’ idea that he should have some say in whether his children were chopped to bits) or a waiver from a court (since it could be the case that a woman was in the situation where it would be a bad idea to tell her husband about the pregnancy). They told her that she didn’t have time to get a court waiver, but, they would just leave the room and she could hand them the form “signed by her husband” when they got back. It was pretty obvious that they had no problem with her forging his signature on the form. He was in the waiting room though, so, she had him sign the actual form.

Once she was on the table, she started to have second thoughts. The doctor had given her an injection already – she thinks it may have been the anesthesia, but, she’s not sure. At that point she said, “I don’t want to do this any more.” The doctor told her, “It’s already too late. Only thing left to do is the clean up.”

Now, I don’t know enough about abortions in the 1970′s to know whether or not it really was too late. Perhaps the injection was something that killed the babies and there was nothing to be done.

However, I do know that at no time did anyone at the clinic counsel her about other options or encourage her to take some time to think it over. From start to finish the entire thing was streamlined to get the baby aborted as quickly as possible (even if it involved forging her husband’s signature).

It seems that if PP and NARAL were actually concerned about women getting facts, a list of the options and time to make an informed decision they would provide it at their own institutions as well.

As far as I’m concerned, this is nothing more than one business trying to use the force of government to gain a competitive advantage over their competition.

JadeNYU on November 17, 2010 at 12:56 PM

rukiddingme on November 17, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Jimbo3 needs to thank God that his grandfather was a better man then he is.

29Victor on November 17, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Missy on November 17, 2010 at 12:26 PM

The name they go by today is:

NARAL Pro-Choice America

They just keep changing the words and title to make their agenda sound more innocuous.

INC on November 17, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Jimbo3 needs to thank God that his grandfather was a better man then he is.

29Victor on November 17, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Yep. Well said.

rukiddingme on November 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

By the way, the Susan G Komen For the Cure organization sends money to Planned Parenthood. So they take your money for a noble cause, then send (a part of) it to an organization that you would never voluntarily fund. They say this money isn’t used by PP to fund abortions, but come on. That’s like parents saying that their college kid who has a part time job doesn’t use the money they give him to buy his beer (or drugs), he uses the money from his job for that.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Meanwhile, “Crisis Pregnancy” make no effort to tell the truth.

thuja on November 17, 2010 at 12:09 PM

You mean that abortions don’t really kill living human babies?

Liberals are REALLY screwed up when it comes to the truth.

“It’s not human.” — of course it is, check the DNA.
“It’s not alive.” — of course it is, the individual cells are alive, heartbeat is active, body is growing…
“It’s a fetus, not a baby.” — fetus is latin for unborn child; its just a stage like newborn, toddler, child, teenager, adult, and senior.
“It’s my body.” — actually you’re killing the baby your body is carrying, not your body. So, you’re deciding what to do with someone ELSES body.
“I have the right.” — no, murder is considered a crime. According to scripture, babies have a right to life. According to our US Constitution, all of us in this country have the right to life. No one has the right to take it away, except for state punishment of a crime.

…do I really need to go on?

dominigan on November 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

If my biological mother had opted for abortion instead of adoption I wouldn’t be here.

darwin on November 17, 2010 at 1:12 PM

It’s disappointing to hear that the Susan G Komen Association helps fund abortion. They don’t see the contradiction?

CCRWM on November 17, 2010 at 1:13 PM

I have not been involved in an abortion, so far as I know, but I would counsel my daughter to have one and would pay for it. I also have given money to PP.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 5:43 PM

So you’d rather advocate killing your grandchild than helping your child to raise him or her.

Wow. The words “sick”, “twisted” and “bastard” come to mind right now…

dominigan on November 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

And a picture of a 20 year old barefoot woman next to a trailer trying to control three children under three outside the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

I love the overt misogyny here. I’m glad we’re not even pretending that a 20-year-old woman can get pregnant a raise kids without becoming barefoot trailer trash. Our fragile hormones make it so that we’re incapable of being anything else after motherhood. Cause clearly, those brats are the reason she’s barefoot and living in a trailer. That’s exactly the same as showing what a fetus looks like after a difficult abortion, because both are the expected results of the services offered.

Esthier on November 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Good choice of topics for your first post ever. 500 400 300 250 comments or bust! For what it’s worth, abortion is the make or break issue for me. If any politician does not have the common sense to stand firmly on the right side of this issue, I have zero faith that they will stand firm on any other issue.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Witness the caving of “Pro-Life Democrats on Obamacare”. If they would have stuck to their principles, there wouldn’t have been enough votes to pass that monstrosity.

Lily on November 17, 2010 at 1:21 PM

It’s disappointing to hear that the Susan G Komen Association helps fund abortion. They don’t see the contradiction?

CCRWM on November 17, 2010 at 1:13 PM

I can’t explain their logic, especially given that three of the six controllable variables in avoiding breast cancer have to do with carrying children to term, not using birth contro pills, and then breastfeeding the children.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Witness the caving of “Pro-Life Democrats on Obamacare”. If they would have stuck to their principles, there wouldn’t have been enough votes to pass that monstrosity.

Lily on November 17, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Some democrats portend to be very pro-life. I can’t call them liars, but I also cannot explain how they can vote for someone with a stated agenda of support for something so obviously evil.

samuelrylander on November 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Fair enough.

But all abortion clinics now have to post their price schedule on their doors and windows now, just like a parking lot.

Abortion is big business – The NY Times uses the phrase “abortion providers” rather than “abotionists” as if it was a free service.

People make money on abortions.

Wander on November 17, 2010 at 1:30 PM

While I have no doubt that some woman have been encouraged to get abortions at Planned Parenthood, such encouragement is not policy and is mostly directed towards girls unlikely to be effective parents and towards women with babies who will require much care and expense to survive.

You mean the ones most vulnerable to this kind of bias? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And covering up for a teen’s adult boyfriend is just a service they offer for free.

Planned Parenthood also tells the truth to its patients.

Obviously not always. Did you miss all those videos posted right here?

I’m not even saying this to slam PP. I think they offer a service a lot of women need.

Meanwhile, “Crisis Pregnancy” make no effort to tell the truth. They are still trying to scare young women with lies discredited in the early 90′s like having an abortion increases your chance of breast cancer. In fact, having an abortion doesn’t increase your chance of breast cancer over not getting pregnant to start with. It is true that completing a teenage pregnancy appears to reduce your risk of breast cancer, but that certainly doesn’t mean we should force all teenage girls to have a kid. Anyway, avoiding getting a sun burn will do much more to increase your life expectancy. I guess technically this example is more of a half-truth than a lie, but it’s still dishonest.

thuja on November 17, 2010 at 12:09 PM

So you claim they’re lying but then go on to explain how they’re actually not but it’s still bad anyway, cause…?

First the pro-choicers were claiming pro-lifers don’t really care about the women and will do nothing to help them when pregnant but just want to keep them barefoot in the kitchen. Now, pro-lifers are evil because they might emphasize a small point about the dangers of an abortion a little too much while trying to help these women.

The pro-abort crowd is just as disingenuous when it comes to informing women as the anti-abort crowd. A friend in college was pregnant. She’d been planning on raising the baby with her boyfriend until he left her. Once he did, she was obviously depressed and went to the counselor for help. All the woman did was prescribe her medicine that would have harmed the baby, and to fix that, she signed my friend up for an abortion.

How is that not manipulation? She couldn’t have been more vulnerable. We weren’t close at the time, and she didn’t really have anyone else to talk to.

She was as pro-choice and liberal as they come, but the abortion only increased her depression. She felt guilty about it constantly. While completing her degree, she had to work with children, and she told me that it felt like she was being stabbed every time.

This didn’t come from me. I only learned of the abortion after the fact and had never talked to her about abortion before and only offered my support after. It also didn’t come from her family. They were supportive and don’t see a problem with abortion. And it certainly didn’t come from her religion – she didn’t have one.

And now she has to live with this for the rest of her life. At least those who give the baby up for adoption always have a chance to change things. Another friend in college was even able to meet and keep in contact with the couple who adopted her child. She’s now her own daughter’s godmother and doesn’t regret a thing.

Esthier on November 17, 2010 at 1:36 PM

…do I really need to go on?

dominigan on November 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

I’ll go on for you
“don’t worry, you’ll feel better afterward.” — they refuse to acknowledge the psychological damage an abortion does to a woman.

“we want women to be fully informed.” — yet they refuse to mention the above to women and fight against the right of women to be able to see their baby via ultrasound. They also fight to shut down crisis pregnancy centers that offer women a differing opinion.

“we just want to help.” — they’re in it for money, money, money and political power.

“the other side just lies to women.” — Proof? And better proof than the breast cancer meme that you parsed so wonderfully.

“your baby would want it this way.” — They don’t say it in so many words, but the implication that a baby is better dead than born to a poor woman who “can’t take care of it properly” is always there.

“we want women to have options.” — Then why don’t they offer women options? Why don’t they link with adoption providers and recommend that alternative? Why don’t they offer support for a woman who chooses to spare her child like crisis pregnancy centers do? Why don’t they present abstinence as a viable option?

29Victor on November 17, 2010 at 1:39 PM

She was as pro-choice and liberal as they come, but the abortion only increased her depression. She felt guilty about it constantly.

Esthier on November 17, 2010 at 1:36 PM

That happens quite a bit, yet the pro-aborts (as you call them) refuse to acknowledge it. In fact many will push abortion in an attempt to “normalize” the even over which they feel such guilt, i.e. “if millions of women have abortions, then how can it be wrong?”

Ironically, the best thing for your friend may be for her to contact a crisis pregnancy center. Many of them offer free (like all their services) post-abortive counseling. They don’t judge or condemn, in fact, she will probably run in to volunteers who have had abortions themselves.

It’s a rough place she’s in, and she may never fully recover, but she doesn’t have to be there alone.

29Victor on November 17, 2010 at 1:46 PM

Truth in advertising, nothing more. Put up the signs and tell the perpetual-offense crowd to STFU.

Dark-Star on November 17, 2010 at 1:47 PM

My understanding is that Crisis Preganancy Centers aren’t required to do that, and that most don’t. Do you know if what you did was “standard” across the US?

Jimbo3 on November 17, 2010 at 12:03 PM

If they are required to do so, shouldn’t PP be required to tell women about adoption agencies and Crisis Pregnancy Centers?

Esthier on November 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM

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