Joe Scarborough: Top Senate Dems have told me privately that Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing

posted at 4:20 pm on November 12, 2010 by Allahpundit

Via Verum Serum and Nice Deb, not only does he hint that most or all are committee chairmen but Mike Barnicle chimes in by supplying a hard number: Seven. Here’s the list of Senate committees and the names of current chairs. Lieberman’s a gimme, and Schumer’s been on the show a bunch so he and Scar probably have a certain comfort level with each other. Kent Conrad, Mary Landrieu, and the soon-to-be-retired Chris Dodd are probably also safe bets. Claire McCaskill’s a regular on “Morning Joe” too, I believe, but she doesn’t chair a (major) committee and she was an early Obama supporter so she might be more reluctant to backbite. But let’s say she’s one of the seven. That gives us six; we need another name. All theories welcome!

As for the substance of the criticism, two things. First, wasn’t Obama’s chief strategic blunder with the stimulus and, later, ObamaCare allegedly the fact that he let Congress take the lead in writing the bills instead of imposing his own plan on them? (Doing it that way in the health-care context was a reaction to the failure of HillaryCare in 1994.) That’s how the stimulus ended up so porky; he could have used his political capital from the inauguration to demand a cleaner bill, but he was content to be passive and see what Reid and Pelosi could work out. Which is to say, if senators really are whining in private about The One being clueless, it seems lost on them that a central element of that cluelessness was him being dumb enough to trust them. Which, assuredly, was awfully dumb.

Second, as to Scarborough’s point about Obama ignoring Republicans, check out what Deficit Commission chair Erskine Bowles — a Democrat — had to say just yesterday:

The Democratic co-chairman of a deficit-reduction panel convened by the White House said that the blueprint he unveiled Wednesday was the product of lengthy discussions with Republicans, and he appeared to question past efforts by the administration to engage with the GOP on fiscal matters.

“I told people in the White House I had spent more time listening to people in the opposition party than they had done as a whole group,” said Erskine Bowles, in an interview the day after he and Republican co-chairman Alan K. Simpson released a proposal for deep spending cuts and broad tax changes touching almost every aspect of the federal budget.

To repeat a point I made the other day, though, would grassroots conservatives be thrilled if the GOP took back the White House and both chambers of Congress and then immediately launched an outreach effort to Democrats to make sure their ideas were incorporated in new legislation? When you’ve got the numbers, you might as well pass as much of your big-ticket agenda as you can; that was Rahm’s strategy from day one in not letting a “crisis” go to waste. In that case, why bother listening to the other side, especially when the GOP was already gaming out a position of firm principled opposition to the Hopenchange program early on? Sure, sure, Obama said he’d be a “post-partisan” president who would “change the culture in D.C.,” but c’mon. Who among us really believed that? (Put your hand down, David Brooks.)

I’ll leave you with this bit from Politico’s piece today about the 2012 electoral map starting to look an awful lot like the 2004 electoral map. It’s even more brutal than the Scarborough clip insofar as it explodes the Obama mythos of a chosen one whose singular political talents would build a new progressive kingdom on Earth:

What many in the party believe — and more now are willing to voice publicly — is that 2008 may have been a referendum on President George W. Bush and that Obama’s victory was owed in large part to exhaustion with the outgoing administration.

“People wanted to get rid of Bush in 2004, but they just couldn’t buy into Kerry,” said Colorado-based Democratic consultant Mike Stratton. “So effectively running against a guy who was hugely unpopular was greatly to Obama’s advantage.”

“A ton of people who were for him just hated Bush,” added Jonathan Prince, another veteran Democratic strategist.

Exit question: What happened to the Great Liberal Realignment?


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Why so serious?

CynicalOptimist on November 12, 2010 at 5:49 PM

12 years and they lost it because they became liberals not conservatives. the Great conservative realignment under Reagan is alive and well and the simple fact is that our leaders abandoned conservative ideals and got booted.

unseen on November 12, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Oh, come on. They lost it because the demographics and people’s opinions changed. Just like they will again, and again, and again….

Jimbo3 on November 12, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Sorry, I can’t quite get past the graphics in the upper right hand corner alternately blinking “MSNBC” and “Lean Forward”.

I can’t believe they went with “Lean Forward” when “Bend Over” is still available, unless, of course, regular NBC has dibs on the latter.

Fallon on November 12, 2010 at 5:54 PM

I remember seeing a bunch of articles in the 1990s and 2000s talking about the Great Conservative Realignment and how the GOP was basically guaranteed to have a lock on the presidency for an extended period. That didn’t happen either.

Jimbo3 on November 12, 2010 at 5:25 PM

1- if you can find an article saying that then it will be a pretty lonely article. The great liberal realignment was treated as common knowledge in 2008. Libs in the media got over confident and cocky and that’s a big reason the tea party got so big.

2- So what? It’s a very childish defense. Just because people on the right were (supposedly) wrong in the 90′s or 2000′s really has no bearing on how wrong the libs were about Obama and the liberal take over of the nation. It’s an argument used by kids when they really have no defense for their actions or argument.

Ampersand on November 12, 2010 at 5:56 PM

***

I can’t believe they went with “Lean Forward” when “Bend Over” is still available, unless, of course, regular NBC has dibs on the latter.

Fallon on November 12, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Maybe Obama asked them to keep that slogan available for the name of the policy that succeeds DADT.

BuckeyeSam on November 12, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Oh, come on. They lost it because the demographics and people’s opinions changed. Just like they will again, and again, and again….

Jimbo3 on November 12, 2010 at 5:49 PM

So last weeks elections weren’t a referendum on O’care, and big government, and big spending? Rather, they were telling conservatives you suck, and we want to be communists?

Ignorance must really be bliss.

capejasmine on November 12, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Oh, come on. They lost it because the demographics and people’s opinions changed. Just like they will again, and again, and again….

Jimbo3 on November 12, 2010 at 5:49 PM

hmmm that was what they said in 2006/08 and guess what they/you were wrong in 2006/08 and you are wrong now. the Gop become big government borrow and spend liberals and the voters turned them out. If you remember correctly the dems ran as fiscal conservatives in 2006 on balanced budgets etc. Nothing has changed. Reagan’s conservative realignment is still around.

but believe what you want. I’m still waiting for the liberals to actually you know run as liberals and tell the people how they want to raise taxes, increase spending and grow government and then watch them win an election.

unseen on November 12, 2010 at 6:01 PM

1- if you can find an article saying that then it will be a pretty lonely article. The great liberal realignment was treated as common knowledge in 2008. Libs in the media got over confident and cocky and that’s a big reason the tea party got so big.

2- So what? It’s a very childish defense. Just because people on the right were (supposedly) wrong in the 90′s or 2000′s really has no bearing on how wrong the libs were about Obama and the liberal take over of the nation. It’s an argument used by kids when they really have no defense for their actions or argument.

Ampersand on November 12, 2010 at 5:56 PM

You’re missing my point. Winners always seem to claim that they have a “mandate” or that their wining signifies a “historical realignment that will last for decades”.

Reagan’s and the GOP’s didn’t in the 80s and 90s, Obama’s didn’t in the 00s and this one will not end up being one in the long run.

Jimbo3 on November 12, 2010 at 6:02 PM

So last weeks elections weren’t a referendum on O’care, and big government, and big spending? Rather, they were telling conservatives you suck, and we want to be communists?

Ignorance must really be bliss.

capejasmine on November 12, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Referendum, yes (that the Dems lost). Realignment, no.

Jimbo3 on November 12, 2010 at 6:03 PM

Mika makes my head hurt and is a perfect example of the evil confluence of children of the famous and the Peter Principle. Stupid is too kind a word to describe her.

RickZ on November 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM

So, two years of this and they’re just letting the cat outta the bag? This proves either one of two things: Joe’s lying, or MSNBC has known this and they’ve been protecting the president.

BKeyser on November 12, 2010 at 6:06 PM

I thought MSNBC’s slogan should be “Full Tilt Left” instead of Lean Forward.

bayview on November 12, 2010 at 6:06 PM

The same men that find Mika Brezenzenzenski hot are the ones who liked being kicked in the nuts.

di butler on November 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM

The “Insider” has been telling that to NewsFlavor’s Ulsterman for awhile now…

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on November 12, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Scarborough needed top dems to tell him Bambi is incompetent.Freakin’ genius,that Scarborough.Glad I never wasted my time watching his show,although I think Mika is attractive.

DDT on November 12, 2010 at 6:28 PM

This is maybe a better link than the other I posted, though all Ulsterman’s interviews have been delicious:

http://newsflavor.com/opinions/white-house-insider-on-obama-the-president-is-losing-it/#ixzz0ziJ3YgPk

Aslans Girl on November 12, 2010 at 6:30 PM

(Put your hand down, David Brooks.)

heh

cmsinaz on November 12, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Meka looked like she was going to die. Apparently the truth is now out in the open.

Partly this talk by the Senators is covering there own interests. But this is really shocking.

Obama is incompetent and there is nothing that can be done for two more years. This is frightening. No one is running the country! Nancy Pelosi is really running the country! No wonder everything is so bad.

We have no leader. I hope things will be okay without one. At least Bush’s policies were good enough to hold things together until we can get a leader in.

petunia on November 12, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Look at it this way. The previous Democratic President really liked Fleetwood Mac. The current Democratic President is described by the title of one of Fleetwood Mac’s biggest hits–”Over My Head.”

radjah shelduck on November 12, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Del Dolemonte on November 12, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Which shows you how much their advanced degrees were worth.

chemman on November 12, 2010 at 4:52 PM

You Lie!

/crr6

Del Dolemonte on November 12, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Jimbo3 on November 12, 2010 at 6:03 PM

Since you are talking about everything but the topic at hand I assume you either did not have the courage to watch the clip and understand the meaning or your were sent here to change the subject.

This isn’t about realignment, or Bush or anything other than that according to the top Democrats in the Senate: we have an incompetent fool in the Whitehouse.

That is a problem.

petunia on November 12, 2010 at 7:12 PM

You Lie!

/crr6

Sorry crr6 I think I missed the context there. Talking about Joe Wilson calling Obama a liar? I thought you were a Marxist and liked Obama? Oh well, welcome to the club!

scotash on November 12, 2010 at 7:13 PM

why does this site filter the words *AffirmativeAction*????? PC patrol on the loose?

search4truth on November 12, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Yes, that is the third rail of Hot Air. They don’t let anyone touch it, even though we all know Obama got where he is at because of it.

scotash on November 12, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Scarborough is trying DESPERATELY to stay relevant. First bashing Palin and now possessing super duper secret info. He is just so “in the know”. What a loser.

Dan Pet on November 12, 2010 at 7:21 PM

Sorry, I can’t quite get past the graphics in the upper right hand corner alternately blinking “MSNBC” and “Lean Forward”.

I can’t believe they went with “Lean Forward” when “Bend Over” is still available, unless, of course, regular NBC has dibs on the latter.

Fallon on November 12, 2010 at 5:54 PM

I ‘lean forward’ when I take a leak, mostly to keep my feet dry.

slickwillie2001 on November 12, 2010 at 7:23 PM

“A ton of people who were for him just hated Bush,” added Jonathan Prince, another veteran Democratic strategist.

Sure, they can try to float that now. But there was a whooooole lot of Obamamania going on among people who 1) hated Bush and 2) would have voted for the Dem no matter who the nominee was.

They loved him to pieces, even though they’re trying to pretend otherwise now that everybody knows how much he sucks.

The other big meme will be “if it weren’t for that awful Sarah Palin, we would have all voted for McCain.” Watch. It’ll be out there soon enough.

Missy on November 12, 2010 at 7:31 PM

And people thought Bush was an idiot for pronouncing “nuclear” wrong. I’d rather have his idiocy running the country than Obama’s.

frode on November 12, 2010 at 7:43 PM

They loved him to pieces, even though they’re trying to pretend otherwise now that everybody knows how much he sucks.

Unfortunately I still have many liberal friends who still are blindingly in love with him.

The other big meme will be “if it weren’t for that awful Sarah Palin, we would have all voted for McCain.” Watch. It’ll be out there soon enough.

I heard that from my friends in 2008.

redeye on November 12, 2010 at 8:16 PM

I could have told Slow Joe publicly the Obama was in over his head waaaaay back in 2008. Preloaded Teleprompters, hired town-hall-campaign fainters and Harvard social promotion doth not a competent president make. Zero told you himself (“Above my pay grade”), Joe, but you wouldn’t listen.

viking01 on November 12, 2010 at 9:25 PM

CCRWM on November 12, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Your point is well taken. Yesterday, Drudge linked a hit piece by Politico on Jindal, who wrote a scathing book on O’s failure of leadership re the Gulf oil spill. The Politico piece implies that Jindal wrote the book in an effort to jockey himself into a presidential run, totally ignoring the apt criticism that Jindal levied against O’s concern more over PR than in using federal resources to handle the situation more effectively.

onlineanalyst on November 12, 2010 at 9:28 PM

I heard that from my friends in 2008.

redeye on November 12, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Me, too, from some of the ones who claim to be kinda sorta moderate. But I think we’ll hear it more often in the future, and from lefties who didn’t have the tiniest intention of voting for a Republican in 2008 and never will. IOW it will be a much bigger, more widespread lie.

Missy on November 12, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Obama was their clean, articulate, whitey guilt-absolving front man / stooge, and now that things aren’t looking good for them, it’s time to blame the stooge.

Which is what stooges are for, Barry.

profitsbeard on November 12, 2010 at 11:14 PM

Me, too, from some of the ones who claim to be kinda sorta moderate. But I think we’ll hear it more often in the future, and from lefties who didn’t have the tiniest intention of voting for a Republican in 2008 and never will. IOW it will be a much bigger, more widespread lie.

Missy on November 12, 2010 at 9:59 PM

A friend who drooled over Obama in 2008 told me in 2009 that she considered McCain until he picked Palin. So, in 2010 she would have learned her lesson and voted GOP right? Nope. Voted straight D (she proudly posted on Facebook).

angryed on November 12, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Why is anyone surprised. No one vetted Obama’s QUALIFICATIONS to be president. No one ever doubted his ability to be president and at the same time one hour hardly passed without some commentator saying Palin was not up to the job.

Obama
Biden
McCain
Palin

Palin had more executive experience than all others combined.

TomLawler on November 13, 2010 at 4:29 AM

To win the White House, the GOP has to ready a massive ground game to counter the dem’s ability to manufacture votes with their “walking around money”. Plouffe is smart enough to know that he has to change tactics to a grind it out campaign.

My wish is that the Tea Party effort would morph into grass roots voter fraud investigations. If we could clean out the ghost voters in the south side of Chicago, Illinois could actually go red in 2012.

JAW on November 13, 2010 at 6:54 AM

To repeat a point I made the other day, though, would grassroots conservatives be thrilled if the GOP took back the White House and both chambers of Congress and then immediately launched an outreach effort to Democrats to make sure their ideas were incorporated in new legislation? When you’ve got the numbers, you might as well pass as much of your big-ticket agenda as you can;

The difference is that Rahm’s numbers pertained to the congressional majority, while ours references the electorate. With over 70% of the population claiming to be either conservative or moderate, most of our policies are going to have wide support. But Axelrod (it was he more than Rahm who was the aggressive ideologue) drew his disastrous strategy from a congressional majority that has proved to be fleeting indeed.

So the lesson for conservatives is not that we should exalt compromise for its own sake. It’s that we should stay closely tethered to the electorate as we pursue policies that are good for America, and we should not ram anything through against a broad lack of support. If the people aren’t behind us, find out why.

If the Pubs return to their ideological roots, we have nothing to fear.

paul1149 on November 13, 2010 at 7:01 AM

di butler on November 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Not exactly true. If Mika were to do the show without clothing, I still wouldn’t believe a word out of her mouth, but I might spend more time watching.

Mr. Grump on November 13, 2010 at 7:31 AM

Jindal has criticized the administration in the past over the spill, but that he would do so at the outset of his book suggests he wants to raise his national profile — and perhaps seek national office.

.. or perhaps it signals that Jindal thinks Obama is more interested in image over substance (or that Obama is an idiot).

J_Crater on November 13, 2010 at 8:03 AM

Joe is a true blowhard, and he just loves to hear himself talk. Therefore, Joe must go.

MSGTAS on November 13, 2010 at 8:21 AM

Oh, come on. They lost it because the demographics and people’s opinions changed. Just like they will again, and again, and again….

Jimbo3 on November 12, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Yes, and the demographics are as follows:

41% of Americans self-identify conservative

20% of Americans self-identify liberal

That is why liberals must pose as moderates in order to get elected. It is also why, when conservatives behave as moderates, Americans lose patience until the moderates behave like conservatives again.

This is elementary stuff, Jimbo. Yet liberals deny that they’re in the minority. Why do liberals think Americans secretly want to live like Europeans, with 70% tax rates and a bicycle in every driveway?

Grace_is_sufficient on November 13, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Joe, Democrat Senators?

There’s an old Rodney Dangerfield joke. He comes home and finds a guy sneaking out of his house. He says, “who told you that you could sleep with my wife? The guy says, “everybody,”

Democrat Senators told you that Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing? EVERYBODY has been telling you that. Please.

flyoverland on November 13, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Like most DC insiders, Joe loves the gossip grapevine. What the heck does this even mean?

Nothing.

AnninCA on November 13, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Joe is a true blowhard, and he just loves to hear himself talk. Therefore, Joe must go.

MSGTAS on November 13, 2010 at 8:21 AM

He really is self-indulgent on this show. And Mika is such a prudish type personality.

The show doesn’t wear well if you watch it too often. On the other hand, the Fox morning show doesn’t gel for me, either. I like the woman, but the two guys? I could do without.

AnninCA on November 13, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Newsflash Joe; anyone with a mote of horse sense could have told you he doesn’t know snap.

roy_batty on November 13, 2010 at 10:20 AM

There is a great theatrical moment here. Picture a room, a party or company boardroom. People are acting as expected and after the hearty public greetings hands are placed on shoulders and ears are whispered in. The great moment comes when people realize that the Great Secret is no secret at all but common knowledge. Then the question becomes do you simply acknowledge it and pretend that everyone knew all along or do you continue to pretend that everyone does not know so as to preserve some invested in social convention?

LifeofTheMind on November 13, 2010 at 10:40 AM

I just don’t even know what this gossip means. It’s silly talk.

AnninCA on November 13, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Which is to say, if senators really are whining in private about The One being clueless, it seems lost on them that a central element of that cluelessness was him being dumb enough to trust them. Which, assuredly, was awfully dumb.

No one WITH a clue would ever behave as outrageously and immaturely in the Presidency as Obama has. The frequent golfing and ongoing luxury vacations for starters, it’s the behavior of someone who does not have a clue and everyone notices that he doesn’t because of that.

Wow, he worked his whole life for the Presidency, so he boasts, he’s so smart, so his supporters boast, yet there he is, winning the election and he…goes…on vacation, body surfs, eats, golfs, body surfs, eats, golfs, another vacation, parties all the time, eats, golfs, vacations, eats, golfs…

It’s the behavior of someone who is either very, very stupid or who does not have a clue as to what to do ON the job and is otherwise very, very stupid.

Lourdes on November 13, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Joe, Democrat Senators?

There’s an old Rodney Dangerfield joke. He comes home and finds a guy sneaking out of his house. He says, “who told you that you could sleep with my wife? The guy says, “everybody,”

Democrat Senators told you that Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing? EVERYBODY has been telling you that. Please.

flyoverland on November 13, 2010 at 9:21 AM

I can’t stand Joe or those Democrat Senators, but, from just WATCHING HOW OBAMA BEHAVES in the Presidency, it is clearly obvious that he does not have a clue what he’s doing.

Lourdes on November 13, 2010 at 11:27 AM

A friend who drooled over Obama in 2008 told me in 2009 that she considered McCain until he picked Palin. So, in 2010 she would have learned her lesson and voted GOP right? Nope. Voted straight D (she proudly posted on Facebook).

angryed on November 12, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Yep. That’s exactly the same story I get. They claimed to have considered McCain in 2008, but really, they vote D all the time.

Missy on November 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Sekhmet on November 12, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Wow! Great post! Not kidding!

Lourdes on November 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Notice our trolls have little concern about our Amateur in Chief. Crr and Jimbo you should be ashamed. Such bought dupes.

CWforFreedom on November 13, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Jimbo3 on November 12, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Yes, and the demographics are as follows:

41% of Americans self-identify conservative

20% of Americans self-identify liberal

That is why liberals must pose as moderates in order to get elected. It is also why, when conservatives behave as moderates, Americans lose patience until the moderates behave like conservatives again.

This is elementary stuff, Jimbo. Yet liberals deny that they’re in the minority. Why do liberals think Americans secretly want to live like Europeans, with 70% tax rates and a bicycle in every driveway?

Grace_is_sufficient on November 13, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Jimbo has been bought several times over. Don’t bother.

CWforFreedom on November 13, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Well, I don’t even pretend to be a niche that any politician bothers to attract.

But my 2 cents?

I really am always going to give women candidates the benefit of the doubt, and I’ll look for those signs of sexist attacks. That’s just a given with me.

And then I’ll really figure out how much or how little I agree.

I think Nancy Pelosi has been attacked from a sexist standpoint. So, she gets Botox? So what?

However, then I think how I agree or disagree with her political power pushes.

I end up disliking her intensely, in spite of disliking the sexist attacks.

I figure we must all sort of go through the same thinking process.

Now, me? I put Christine O’donnell through the same process, and I came out on her side.

I think she was a good candidate. I think sexism killed her.

I think Linda M. in CT was a GREAT candidate. Sexism killed her.

I’m not sure about CA. Meg Whitman was definitely hurt by sexism, and Carly F. was on the coattails, but I tend to think that vote was more pure.

CA just wants to remain blue.

Anyway, I think the issue of sexism and elections has already found a clearer perspective. Yes, and a lot of voters, such as in SC, ignored it.

I think that’s progress.

AnninCA on November 13, 2010 at 12:35 PM

But Joe? Joe is so in the pocket of insider DC GOP types, and the notion that Mika is opposite?

Oh please.

But, what can you do. If you’re an early riser, it’s either this show or Fox, and they are truly very boring.

AnninCA on November 13, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Elections have consequences, and the Democrats putting Bammer forward and the media failing to vet the man will keep having consequences for the next 2 years.

So Joe had better be ready to have more conversations with Senate Democrats who want to pull their hair out.

thmsmgnm on November 13, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Ann, like the other left of center folks who come here you are not facing up to the truth that Obama simply is not able to run the country.

It is a scary thought but the sooner we face it the better it will be.

I guess we will still be here in two years but wow the next President is going to have the worst mess ever!

I miss Bush.

petunia on November 13, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Could have asked us in 2008 and saved a lot of time.

Merovign on November 13, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Everytime I see the name Erskine Bowles, I lose my focus

entagor on November 13, 2010 at 1:41 PM

The other big meme will be “if it weren’t for that awful Sarah Palin, we would have all voted for McCain.” Watch. It’ll be out there soon enough.

Missy on November 12, 2010 at 7:31 PM

Funny. For me it was, “if it weren’t for that Sarah Palin, I never would have voted for that awful McCain.”

RickZ on November 13, 2010 at 2:09 PM

When you’ve got the numbers, you might as well pass as much of your big-ticket agenda as you can; that was Rahm’s strategy from day one in not letting a “crisis” go to waste. In that case, why bother listening to the other side, especially when the GOP was already gaming out a position of firm principled opposition to the Hopenchange program early on?

So it’s “our” ideology vs. theirs. Except there aren’t really two clear-cut ideologies put out there for the people to choose from.

There’s a difference between 2010 and 2008 – in 2008, conservatism was overshadowed by “moderate” Republicans who had been growing government. In 2010, we’ve had 2 years of wild liberal spending, and every attentive person can see how destructive it is. Oh, there are always crazy liberal spins, like “we didn’t go far enough” or “we didn’t spend enough.” It’s as though the liberal mind believes in some financial Doppler effect where, if you waste spend enough money fast enough, it’s suddenly like saving money.

Regular people (the ones despised by the ruling class) don’t waste time in mental masturbatory exercises, training themselves to perceive that black is really white and vice versa. To the contrary, they understand the hard reality of having to balance and prioritize.

In fact, the real reality is the only reality they know. In this world, people who get paid to stay home and watch TV for a year or more become intimidated by the idea of having to look for work and be judged as unsuitable or unqualified. To try to impress strangers who have power over them, to feel like a supplicant trying to please, to justify their own hiring. To get up every morning, make themselves look presentable, and go to a job where (if they don’t perform) they will be judged and reprimanded or eventually fired. To deal with the daily commute. To do what has to be done to support themselves and their children.

It’s very stressful when you haven’t done it for awhile. This is something Democrats don’t want to talk about, because it makes 99 weeks of unemployment checks suddenly less appealing.

I think that conservatives need to find a way to educate “default” liberals who have been led into darkness by false liberal prophets like Obama. To explain to them the soft tyranny of liberalism, and the inherent evil of being supported by the state (which is in turn supported by the people whose ideas and hard work provide jobs for themselves and others). To understand that government is too huge and inefficient to judge who is a deadbeat and who is really in need of temporary help, or who is permanently disabled (mentally or physically). Those people we can all afford to help. What we can’t afford is those who fly under the radar of misfortune, looking for a soft place to land.

Sadly, there will always be a percentage of lazy, dishonest people who look to con anyone in their path. Let’s not corrupt basically honest people to behave that way, which is what Rick Santelli’s rant was all about.

The fact is, bad things happen to people, and no government can stop that from happening unless it puts everyone into a cell. Even then, people get sick and die. It’s called life.

The whole notion of a utopia is utterly ridiculous. What would be the point of living?

disa on November 13, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Oh yeah, the point of my post above is “full steam ahead, conservatives!” Utilize EVERY advantage we may have over the next 2 years, especially with regard to redistricting and gerrymandering. The power comes from the ground up, and that’s where the common people live, oikophobes. I think I’m a pretty moral person, and I certainly don’t believe in “the end justifies the means.” But we need to play to win now.

John McCain is cordially invited to take a nap if he feels offended, or afraid of being judged harshly by the liberal media. You too, Joe Scarborough, you pretentious ash.

disa on November 13, 2010 at 2:59 PM

The other big meme will be “if it weren’t for that awful Sarah Palin, we would have all voted for McCain.” Watch. It’ll be out there soon enough.

Missy on November 12, 2010 at 7:31 PM

If McCain had won the election, it wouldn’t be as bad as it is now, and half of us would still be asleep as the wolves gathered in the dusk.

disa on November 13, 2010 at 3:01 PM

As for hawtness, I am a chick and I know when a chick is hot. Pluheeze. Are you guys really thinking Mika is hot?

ProudPalinFan on November 12, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Yup. Maybe you don’t get the whole “men of a certain age” thing. She’s hot.

Jaibones on November 13, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Scarborough is full of crap. So the top leadership were so horrified and concerned that he doesn’t know what he’s doing that they shove his Obamacare and the stimuturd through.

Joe is completely irrelevant and is just hoping to have some attention come his way. No one falls for that crap Joe

Niteowl45 on November 13, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Yup. Maybe you don’t get the whole “men of a certain age” thing. She’s hot.

Jaibones on November 13, 2010 at 5:23 PM

She’s in good shape. But she’s got that mother-sneer thing downpat.

I would think that wouldn’t appeal to men. Maybe some men like that mother stuff, eh?

AnninCA on November 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM

The fact is, bad things happen to people, and no government can stop that from happening unless it puts everyone into a cell. Even then, people get sick and die. It’s called life.

The whole notion of a utopia is utterly ridiculous. What would be the point of living?

disa on November 13, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Great post. If there is one reason I’ve turned away from many liberal policies, it’s what you discuss: Utopian thinking versus reality thinking.

I’m not sure I could have gotten this before age 50, though.

AnninCA on November 14, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Ann, like the other left of center folks who come here you are not facing up to the truth that Obama simply is not able to run the country.

It is a scary thought but the sooner we face it the better it will be.

I guess we will still be here in two years but wow the next President is going to have the worst mess ever!

I miss Bush.

Well, personally, I love to read history. Believe me, we’ll be fine. We’ve had more than one inept presidents. LOL*

Sometimes, I think the country needs a break from strong presidents. They also do present their own special challenges for we commoners.

AnninCA on November 14, 2010 at 10:03 AM

The 7 leading Democratic senators mentioned by Scarborough and Barnicle are already posturing for the 2012 election to distance themselves from Obama. Leaders and non-leaders in the Dem ranks are also positioning themselves to endorse someone who might run against Obama in the primaries. Look no further than folks like Ben Nelson in Nebraska and others who have a scarcity of African-Americans as a part of their voting base. After Obama wins the primaries, all will be forgiven, but those senators who staked out a position to the left or right will be in much better shape for the general election.

stefano1 on November 14, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Wait…Manchurian Candidate time…will they stick with that number?

allstonian on November 14, 2010 at 11:46 PM

“Above my pay grade” = “Over my head” = Obama

And honestly, who of us really didn’t know this before November ’08?

Although I have more issues with his policies and actions than I can count, there was one more reason I did not want Obummer to be elected. Knowing that he would screw it up so badly, I figured that he would ruin for a long time the chances of getting a truely good black candidate elected as President in the future. Hmmm, maybe that was why libs like Soros were so enamored with him.

IrishEyes on November 15, 2010 at 2:32 PM

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