Poll in LA: The truth is out there

posted at 8:48 am on November 11, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Allahpundit has done a great job of covering the Mystery Contrail story, which most experts agree came from an airplane flight and not a rocket, especially since the phenomenon happened the very next day at the very same time as one blogger noted and linked to a specific commercial route.  The Pentagon took its time in analyzing the contrail that appeared over Southern California, leading to an explosion of speculation, but after eliminating all of the other possibilities concluded that an airplane had created the contrail.

Yesterday I asked Andrew Malcolm how people in Los Angeles had reacted to the Mystery Contrail story, and he reported that it had led all the news shows and generated a lot of interest.  One television station decided to poll Angelenos on whether they thought the government had told the truth about its origin, and the results show that LA doesn’t have a lot of confidence in the answer.  The Survey USA poll shows only 20% of respondents who were “familiar” with the story think the government told the truth about the contrail, while 66% — two-thirds — say the government lied about it.

The crosstabs show a remarkable sense of unity.  Young, middle-aged, old, white, black, Hispanic — the overwhelming majority in every demographic believes the government lied about it.  The best the government does is with those 55 or older, where only 54% say it’s a lie, while 34% believe the explanation.  Only 6% of younger voters buy the official conclusion, while 77% reject it.

Interestingly, KABC-TV doesn’t have a report on its own poll, at least not yet, but they do have a report on the contrail that perhaps more Angelenos should read (emphasis mine):

“It seemed to change directions. Ballistic missiles don’t do that. It doesn’t accelerate. Ballistic missiles accelerate,” said Dr. Michio Kaku, professor of physics at City University of New York.

Kaku also said the mysterious object was going in the wrong direction for it to be a ballistic missile.

“Ballistic missiles go east to west. This one seems to be going north and south,” he said. …

Some people had speculated that it was a secret launch by the U.S. military, but experts point out that if the government wanted to keep it secret, it wouldn’t launch a rocket or missile so close to Los Angeles and its millions of residents.

LA residents would apparently argue that conducting a secret test with 10 million potential spectators just proves that the government wanted plausible deniability.  The truth is out there, dudes …. way, way, way out there.


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The funny part is while this is great for the conspiracy theory industry, just imagine what the mainstream big media would be doing with this story if George W. Bush was in office. There’d be media stories all over the place we’re ready to attack China, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc., and that the military’s obviously covering up for endangering the lives of millions of Californians due to Bush-Cheney’s reckless militarism.

Now? A three-day story at best.

jon1979 on November 11, 2010 at 8:54 AM

This pretty much explains the 2010 election results to us now.

tims472 on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM

“It seemed to change directions. Ballistic missiles don’t do that. It doesn’t accelerate. Ballistic missiles accelerate,” said Dr. Michio Kaku, professor of physics at City University of New York.

Kaku also said the mysterious object was going in the wrong direction for it to be a ballistic missile.

“Ballistic missiles go east to west. This one seems to be going north and south,” he said. …

having trouble following the Profs vapid logic trail on this. If it were a ballistic missile, then it would’ve been going …east to west….??

B+

ted c on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM

LA residents would apparently argue that conducting a secret test with 10 million potential spectators just proves that the government wanted plausible deniability.

Perhaps because people believe the government not only lies but is stupid and incompetent.

rrpjr on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Have to admit I’m disappointed; I wanted it to be a test of a secret DARPA coastal defense system.

Because I want there to be a coastal defense system.

Bat Chain Puller on November 11, 2010 at 8:58 AM

Dude, if I say it’s a missile. IT’S A MISSLE, BRO

blatantblue on November 11, 2010 at 9:00 AM

Bat Chain Puller on November 11, 2010 at 8:58 AM

It’s a DARPA scram jet!!!!!

blatantblue on November 11, 2010 at 9:01 AM

Have seen similar around here depending on the time of year and weather. Cold air masses moving in have a tendency to make contrails, all contrails, look a lot larger, deeper, wider than at point of origin. Look at the clouds, and the altitudes of the same clouds. Cold.

But, the idea that so many Angelinos are so enamored about government, when they gave us Obama, and Boxer, Moonbeam Brown, and all the rest of the bunch. Well, why am I not surprised?

Lost Angeles.

coldwarrior on November 11, 2010 at 9:02 AM

Calfornians are nuts anyway – I ought to know, I used to be one.

disa on November 11, 2010 at 9:02 AM

I’m convinced it was an airplane. But I found one thing curious:

We now know there was an airplane directly in the supposed missile’s path. During the interim where it was unexplained, why was there no speculation that it was a missile fired at THAT plane? Remember TWA 800? There still hasn’t been a satisfactory explanation for all the people who reported seeing a missle bound skyward just before the explosion.

If there were such theories, I didn’t see them.

jeanneb on November 11, 2010 at 9:02 AM

having trouble following the Profs vapid logic trail on this. If it were a ballistic missile, then it would’ve been going …east to west….??

B+

ted c on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Logic dictates that if you want to take advantage of the rotational speed of the earth to reach a target on the opposite hemisphere, you go east to west. You will reach your target quicker than going west to east.

;)

Shepherd Lover on November 11, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Next time, shoot it.

Akzed on November 11, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Remember TWA 800? There still hasn’t been a satisfactory explanation for all the people who reported seeing a missle bound skyward just before the explosion.

If there were such theories, I didn’t see them.

jeanneb on November 11, 2010 at 9:02 AM

I know some individuals who lived on the South Side of Long Island. They saw something. Do they think it was terrorism? They don’t know. Coulda’ been a mistake on someone’s part. Who knows, but they saw something. Also know a couple of policemen who immediately did some canvassing for witnesses, and they heard the same stuff.

blatantblue on November 11, 2010 at 9:06 AM

Shepherd Lover on November 11, 2010 at 9:03 AM

ohh ok. hadta think about that one….

ted c on November 11, 2010 at 9:09 AM

After reading some information on Spaceweather.com, I’m convinced it was a jet. Especially this,

Paul Carreiro of Los Angeles, observes that “there have been no reports of any noctilucent cloud activity of the type which follow every sunset launch event we see here in Southern California. The lack of noctilucent reports or photos is further evidence that the object creating the trail did not transit through the stratosphere.”

behiker on November 11, 2010 at 9:12 AM

Remember: These are the people who voted for Democrats who have bankrupted the state.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM

You need to only remember one thing as it relates to the most powerful government on earth.

IT GETS EXACTLY WHAT IT WANTS

roflmao

donabernathy on November 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM


… the overwhelming majority in every demographic believes the government lied about it.

So it must’ve been aliens, right L.A.? yup, they came all the way here, 80,000 light years away, using a solid rocket booster. That makes WAY more sense than it being contrails from an airplane!

Tony737 on November 11, 2010 at 9:15 AM

It’s lots of fun to make fun of conspiracy freaks but…

It’s the reaction of the Feds that have made people uneasy – Here’s the time line:

1. We don’t know what it is, but it’s not a threat.
2. Maybe it’s a “private enthusiast”
3. Hey, we’re going to go ahead and restrict air traffic the next day – even though nothing is going on.
4. Okay – we don’t know what it is, so maybe it is a threat.
5. We’re going to go ahead and take inventory of all of our missiles.
6. What? A blogger said that it’s a plane? He has pictures?
7. It’s a plane.

Gosh, I can’t imagine why no one believes them.

Dorvillian on November 11, 2010 at 9:15 AM

LA residents would apparently argue that conducting a secret test with 10 million potential spectators just proves that the government wanted plausible deniability. The truth is out there, dudes …. way, way, way out there.

Music video comment

Shy Guy on November 11, 2010 at 9:18 AM

Gen. McInerny said on Greta last night, categorically, it was not an airplane, but rather a missile launch, noting that he has personally observed many, many instances of both. I found his discussion fairly persuasive.

Then there was Richard Miniter, who suggested, I kid you not, that it was a toy missile or toy rocket and that the video we have of it does not allow us to see the true scale (small, in his opinion) of the missile/rocket. Most of the other panelists could barely surpress laughter at this theory.

james23 on November 11, 2010 at 9:18 AM


… said Dr. Michio Kaku, professor of physics at City University of New York.

Love that guy! Just got done reading his book “Physics of the Impossible”, fascinating stuff!

Tony737 on November 11, 2010 at 9:18 AM

…and on Glen Beck’s TV show this week, one point made was a deliberate attempt to undermine confidence in the government. Discrediting the government being one of many steps towards destabilizing the country.

It’s one thing for P.T. Barnum to defraud a few Saturday strollers on the boardwalk, quite a different thing to deliberately undermine confidence in national security.

Skandia Recluse on November 11, 2010 at 9:19 AM

“The truth is out there”

I’m of the conclusion that either two years of pent-up flatulence was released when Nancy Pelosi farted, or Hollywood is doing a promo on the comeback of the X-files.

Rovin on November 11, 2010 at 9:30 AM

I know what really happened. It was not a jet.

It is one of those sharks with a missle launcher attached to his freakin’ head! That is the only explanation!

jeffn21 on November 11, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Spock and Kirk give each other a high-five as Scotty drops yet another wrench into the anti-matter reactor.

Limerick on November 11, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Saw Professor Kaku on Fox. He was funny and easy going. Looks like a Japanese symphony conductor.

Jaibones on November 11, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Lesson #1….never ever ever drop your blue water tank over L.A.

Lesson #2….never ever ever ask the Pentagon what the hell blue water is.

Limerick on November 11, 2010 at 9:42 AM

“It seemed to change directions. Ballistic missiles don’t do that. It doesn’t accelerate. Ballistic missiles accelerate,” said Dr. Michio Kaku, professor of physics at City University of New York.

Well, it did accelerate — that’s what airliners do as they gain altitude. And, since nobody observed it accelerate, they couldn’t determine the rate of acceleration. And it didn’t change directions — the windshear at various altitudes do that to any contrail of an object performing a large change of altitude — whether that object is an airliner, a ballistic missile, or even the Space Shuttle coming in for a landing.

unclesmrgol on November 11, 2010 at 9:44 AM

It was Dr. Evil!

Mr. Bingley on November 11, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Perhaps because people believe the government not only lies but is stupid and incompetent.

rrpjr on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Projection, you think?

Count to 10 on November 11, 2010 at 9:47 AM

having trouble following the Profs vapid logic trail on this. If it were a ballistic missile, then it would’ve been going …east to west….??

B+

ted c on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Logic dictates that if you want to take advantage of the rotational speed of the earth to reach a target on the opposite hemisphere, you go east to west. You will reach your target quicker than going west to east.

;)

Shepherd Lover on November 11, 2010 at 9:03 AM

When firing ballistic missiles (in a test), they are fired out to sea, in this case “east to west”. When they’re fired from the east coast, they fly “west to east”.

We don’t test missiles over land for obvious reasons.

BobMbx on November 11, 2010 at 9:52 AM

If you lived here in Florida where I do, near Kennedy Space Center, you would know what a rocket or missile looks like in flight. That was not a missile.

bugsy on November 11, 2010 at 9:56 AM

The govt lies, now that’s news. They gotta justify opening an office to greet aliens when they land. Now they got it covered.

Kissmygrits on November 11, 2010 at 9:58 AM

I really don’t care what it was, at the moment but what does kind of make me wonder is that if it is a plane, why on earth doesn’t the government say which flight it was?
My point is that their statements on the UFO certainly do not inspire confidence……….

ORconservative on November 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM

I don’t know what’s exactly going on here but the “expert” analysis doesn’t add up. I love Michio Kaku, but there are big holes in his explanation. When I lived in California, I witnessed many spectacular launches from my condo balcony in Anaheim Hills. The most memorable was going south from Vandenburg, not east/west. Ballistic is a misunderstood word. Ballistic is when a missile’s guidance system either craps out or cuts off after it has put the vehicle on it’s programmed flight path, right after launch, the guidance system is presumably on and guiding the missile on a path to target–so yes it will change directions.Aircraft contrails do not materialize at takeoff, it happens at altitude in cold air. Even when a rocket is launched toward space, it may be accelerating but it appears from the ground that it is constant or even slowing the higher it gets.
So let’s try this again “experts”.

cartooner on November 11, 2010 at 10:07 AM

There was a similar contrail in the sky over my house last week. Pretty obvious it was an airplane. But, if it’s over water, a little harder to get a good angle on it. Anyway. Where’s MY news crew? Don’t we rate, just because it’s CINCINNATI? Contrail bigots.

Paul-Cincy on November 11, 2010 at 10:07 AM

I’m of the minority here that thinks it was a jet, but, you’re ignoring one possibility:

LA residents would apparently argue that conducting a secret test with 10 million potential spectators just proves that the government wanted plausible deniability. The truth is out there, dudes …. way, way, way out there.

What about an accidental launch? I can recall at least one incident involving the Soviets in the 50 or 60s of a fire on board a sub that lead to a misfire. We did have that recent problem with a loss of communications with, what was it, 50 ICBMs recently, and there have been regular complaints in the news that we’re ignoring the decay of our nuclear arsenal.

So, while I strongly think it was a jet, it’s not impossible this was some sort of accident that the Pentagon is trying to shush up.

irishspy on November 11, 2010 at 10:08 AM

“It seemed to change directions. Ballistic missiles don’t do that. It doesn’t accelerate. Ballistic missiles accelerate,” said Dr. Michio Kaku, professor of physics at City University of New York.

Kaku also said the mysterious object was going in the wrong direction for it to be a ballistic missile.

“Ballistic missiles go east to west. This one seems to be going north and south,” he said. …

…having trouble following the Profs vapid logic trail on this. If it were a ballistic missile, then it would’ve been going …east to west….??

B+

ted c on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM

I agree, that was a Fail on his part. First, if it is a missile and it is first rising and then moving to the West, you would not see its acceleration, because the increasing angle would hide it.

Second, we only launch rockets from West to East if they are destined for Earth orbit. Yet he said “we only launch missiles from “East to West”, which makes no sense. We launch missiles toward their target.

Third, ballistic missiles certainly do change direction, during the boost phase. That’s what makes it a guided missile.

slickwillie2001 on November 11, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Some people had speculated that it was a secret launch by the U.S. military,

The thing is there are routine launches of military satellites, and they get announced all the time. “There was a rocket launch of a classified military satellite.” Even space shuttle launches with military payloads get announced. They’re hard to conceal, so it makes sense to announce them. But then why hide a particular launch.

On the other hand, if it was a simple jet contrail, the FAA should have a record of it. If it were American West flight 880 (808?), you’d just call up the FAA, and they’d say, “dumb@ss, it’s a regularly scheduled commercial flight.”

It’s that no one had a readily available explanation that makes this weird.

rbj on November 11, 2010 at 10:13 AM

I thought they finally got the x-wing right.

TexasDan on November 11, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Last night on O’Reilly’s show Dennis Miller got past all of the concerted cover-up and revealed the true source of the mystery trail; Charlie Sheen got a hold of some pharmacuetical grade blow…

RocketmanBob on November 11, 2010 at 10:17 AM

You see decline in a country that begins to believe in UFOs and other pseudoscience. Well, that, and not embracing Scientology as the one, true, religion. We’re in a lot of trouble, Uncle Fester.

Paul-Cincy on November 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM

having trouble following the Profs vapid logic trail on this. If it were a ballistic missile, then it would’ve been going …east to west….??

B+

ted c on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM

I agree, that statement is a bit of a stretch—but it’s still a plane, IMO.

FloatingRock on November 11, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Perhaps because people believe the government not only lies but is stupid and incompetent.

rrpjr on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM


Right. So, let me get this straight. 2/3′s of Angelenos think the government is lying yet they consistently vote for liberal Dem’s who want to increase government control over nearly every aspect of their lives. Smoothe move Angelenos.

mrsmwp on November 11, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Perhaps because people believe the government not only lies but is stupid and incompetent.

rrpjr on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Right. So, let me get this straight. 2/3′s of Angelenos think the government is lying yet they consistently vote for liberal Dem’s who want to increase government control over nearly every aspect of their lives. Smoothe move Angelenos.

Note to self: Preview is your friend.

mrsmwp on November 11, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Denials such as this from our own government remind me that Chernobyl never happened.

madmonkphotog on November 11, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Mulder and Scully are on this! Cue Xfiles music. :D

capejasmine on November 11, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Mythbusters will handle it. Hopefully they, (or somebody else), will make a simple 3D computer model of the planet, the plane and an approximation of the contrail so that they can demonstrate how important perspective is. I realize that the “launchers” here probably understand both theories but obviously most of the people of LA don’t.

FloatingRock on November 11, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Mythbusters would probably make a physical model.

FloatingRock on November 11, 2010 at 11:04 AM

1) A “ballistic” missile simply means that the missile runs out of propellant well before it strikes the target, and coasts. (Contrasted with a cruise missile or missiles used to shoot down aircraft, which are under power for the whole flight.)

2) I agree with the “missiles launch towards their target” statement. As a small clarification, orbital rockets are also launched in the direction of their orbit — Vandenberg and Kodiak launch sites, for example, launch more-or-less north-to-south. The west-to-east benefit only applies to certain orbit types.

3) Also a bit of a nitpick — ballistic missiles generally don’t maneuver during the boost phase, because the aerodynamic/dynamic stresses will tear the hull apart. Instead they maneuver during the terminal (last) phase, when there’s just a small kill vehicle left (and you want to make your last-minute course adjustments/dodges).

For what it’s worth, I’m in the “it was an airplane” camp. It’s notoriously difficult to make claims about the size, speed and direction of objects in the sky. Our eyes aren’t designed to do that job very well.

Darth Hippie on November 11, 2010 at 11:04 AM

If you want to satisfy youraelf as to whether or not this was a missile, do this:

Research the “burn time” for any missile you may think this is. I’m a former “rocket scientist”, meaning I used to work on SLBMs. We do not have (nor am I aware of any other country) missiles that have a burn time of over 10 minutes. Ballistic missiles leave the atmosphere in about 1 minute from launch. Any body ever see a shuttle launch? How long do the main engines burn? 2-3 minutes? And most of that is outside the atmosphere.

Visit Youtube or any of the available websites that show launches of any missile and compare them to the event over CA. There will be no comparison.

BobMbx on November 11, 2010 at 11:05 AM

December 2010
Headline: Missile components with Chinese markings wash ashore near Monterey. Pentagon spokesman not available for comment.

labrat on November 11, 2010 at 11:07 AM

“Ballistic missiles go east to west. This one seems to be going north and south,” he said. …

A ballistic missile “goes” in the direction it is launched, and can theoretically go in any direction. If an enemy missile was fired at Los Angeles from China or North Korea, it would approach along a great-circle route from the WNW. But a missile fired from China or North Korea would have been detected by military radar in Alaska long before it was visible from Los Angeles.

This object was obviously launched from somewhere much closer to Los Angeles than Asia. If someone (either a Chinese sub which slipped through our defenses, or some amateur rocket prankster) wanted to intimidate the US by firing a missile close to Los Angeles without hitting anything, they could have launched it toward the north.

Since the coast of California curves toward the northwest of Los Angeles, this same object could have been observed from land further northwest, by people looking toward the south. The object would not be silhouetted against the sunset, but it would be interesting to ask observers situated to the north–what did THEY see?

Some people had speculated that it was a secret launch by the U.S. military, but experts point out that if the government wanted to keep it secret, it wouldn’t launch a rocket or missile so close to Los Angeles and its millions of residents.

If it was a “friendly” launch by the US military, they should have done it further from land–there’s lots of room in the Pacific! But if history is any indication, the Obama Administration flew a jet low over New York City to take photos of the Statue of Liberty, and didn’t care about scaring New Yorkers with memories of 9/11. But if it was a test launch by the US military, why don’t they just say “oops, sorry” and REASSURE people in LA?

IMHO, the US military doesn’t really know what that was, and who launched it, and is too embarrassed and scared to admit it. So they’re spinning this as a “plane”, while they’re scrambling to find out the truth.

Steve Z on November 11, 2010 at 11:22 AM

having trouble following the Profs vapid logic trail on this. If it were a ballistic missile, then it would’ve been going …east to west….??

B+

ted c on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Logic dictates that if you want to take advantage of the rotational speed of the earth to reach a target on the opposite hemisphere, you go east to west. You will reach your target quicker than going west to east.

;)

Shepherd Lover on November 11, 2010 at 9:03 AM

So, if your target is north, west or south of you, do you still launch east-to-west? Has the whole country lost its common sense? If this was a show of force by the Chicoms or the Russkies, the target would have been “somewhere in the Pacific”, unless they actually wanted a nuclear holocaust and launched it east-to-west, targeting US soil. So, they launched it north to south. Ballistic missiles can go in any direction. We have them aimed to go over the Arctic Circle to reach the commie bastards in Russia. I’ve seen a ton of airplane contrails in my 64 years, as well as missile launches going back to our FIRST successful satellite launch in ’58…THAT looked like a missile on the video. Moving too fast and it had a bright light at the front of it. Too bright to be a reflection of an airplane.

Jarhead68 on November 11, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Maybe it was aimed at the Montana Militia. Anybody heard from them lately?

John Deaux on November 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Moving too fast? The news camera guy said he watched it for 10 minutes. That would be well out in space about to re-enter if it was a ballistic missile.

And like I have posted, there would have been hundreds of airliners that would have seen this, there would have probably been a noctilucent cloud too from it, it would have shown up on space radar tracking too.

And we would not have had a very similar contrail in the same place, at the same time, the next day.

firepilot on November 11, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Logic dictates that if you want to take advantage of the rotational speed of the earth to reach a target on the opposite hemisphere, you go east to west. You will reach your target quicker than going west to east.

Before a rocket is launched, it is rotating west to east with the earth, and the atmosphere is rotating with it. If it is launched toward the west, it must be accelerated toward the west to neutralize its initial rotational speed toward the east. If it is launched toward the east, it must be accelerated toward the east so that its eastward speed exceeds the rotation of the earth. The rotation of the earth has nothing to do with acceleration and velocity of projectiles RELATIVE to the earth.

Logic dictates that, to hit a target with a ballistic missile, you launch along the shortest great-circle route between the launch site and the target. To hit China or North Korea, you launch WNW. To hit Russia, you launch due north over the Arctic. To hit Iran, you launch ENE.

But if this was launched by the US military, it definitely wasn’t aimed at an enemy. The USA has territory much closer than Los Angeles to all our potential enemies, such as Alaska, Washington State, North Dakota, and Maine. Any US missiles in the Los Angeles area would be purely defensive, possibly designed to shoot an incoming missile out of the sky to protect Los Angeles.

Then again, whatever this was, it was probably NOT launched by the US military.

Steve Z on November 11, 2010 at 11:46 AM

The polls conducted every two years in November reveal all one needs to know about the value of what most Los Angeles residents “think.” The intuitions of the hellhole’s typical denizens regarding the contrail of US Airways flight 808 is no surprising exception to the long-running trend.

Blacklake on November 11, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Then again, whatever this was, it was probably NOT launched by the US military.

Steve Z on November 11, 2010 at 11:46 AM

The funny thing is, the possibility of this is even worse than actually knowing it happened. If our government would come clean a lot of people would feel better even if the answer was “yeah…that wasn’t ours.”

They’re only making things worse by constant denial and pathetic cover-ups that serve to fuel the rumor mill.

All I can say is if another such mystery launch happens anytime soon…start digging an underground bomb shelter.

Dark-Star on November 11, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Who said it was the US government?

El_Terrible on November 11, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Allahpundit has done a great job of covering the Mystery Contrail story, which most experts agree came from an airplane flight and not a rocket, especially since the phenomenon happened the very next day at the very same time as one blogger noted and linked to a specific commercial route.
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canopfor on November 11, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Gosh, I can’t imagine why no one believes them.

Dorvillian on November 11, 2010 at 9:15 AM

Thank you for the time line. The reaction by the all-knowing, awesome military brass did not inspire confidence. I’ve seen many a launch from VAFB and this is similar and different, likely due to solid fuel. That’s why there was so much smoke and why glowing red was visible from the bottom. My source is from someone who worked on the fuel system for the Saturn 5 rocket. My bro saw the event from near Redondo Beach, Ca and sure thought it was not a plane.

But whatevs, the whole military couldn’t figure it out for over a day but Californians who saw it and don’t believe the airplane line are craaaazy. We’re used to being mocked.

NTWR on November 11, 2010 at 1:04 PM

If it was someone in the military screwing up, their azz is grass and once they get their dishonorable discharge they’ll show up on The Today Show to spill the beans.

NTWR on November 11, 2010 at 1:06 PM

OH heck,I might as well throw this into the mix.Perhaps it wasn’t a plane,or an accidental launch,or a secret test.Maybe it was a couple of Navy pranksters on board the sub who got bored and decided to launch a dummy missle.The government might admit an accident,but would never admit being incompetent enough to give someone that immature the ability to launch missles.
Hey,if we’re throwing out theories….

DDT on November 11, 2010 at 1:22 PM

I don’t believe the government either so there!

CCRWM on November 11, 2010 at 1:26 PM

It’s an airplane contrail. All the evidence says it is. There is NO evidence that it was a rocket or missle. Many of us have seen similar formations in the sky and not thought twice. This was “weird” to the guy video taping it and it was a slow news day. All the “ruskies” and “chicom” or aliens or US Government black ops, or whatever theories are twisted wishful thinking. If any of you had seen this standing on the beach near LA, you would not have thought anything about it was odd. But because a “news” organization puts it on the web, it’s a missle! Sheesh. Think people! You don’t need a rocket scientist to tell you this.

BillyWilly on November 11, 2010 at 1:57 PM

My information is from a rocket scientist. A chemical engineer rocket scientist who worked on the Saturn V fuel system, even. And who frequently allows time off work to go view VAFB launches.

If we were close enough to see it in person I could decide definitively whether or not it was a contrail. I just don’t keep in lock-step with whatever The Current Truth^tm is from the media.

NTWR on November 11, 2010 at 2:31 PM

just imagine what the mainstream big media would be doing with this story if George W. Bush was in office. There’d be media stories all over the place we’re ready to attack China, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.

jon1979 on November 11, 2010 at 8:54 AM

Nonsense. Clearly, Bush would have preparing for an attack against a target in California itself.

malclave on November 11, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Judging by this recent survey, Angelenos aren’t known for being the sharpest tools in the shed.

The Ugly American on November 11, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Dude, if I say it’s a missile. IT’S A MISSLE, BRO

blatantblue on November 11, 2010 at 9:00 AM

It really was a missile. I know a defense contractor who’s worked on some dark programs and the old Delta rockets and that’s what he told me. The Military (don’t know which branch) was testing a new anti-ballistic missile. Wikipedia mentions that there have been seven tests, this was supposedly the eight.

Plus, I saw it. It definitely didn’t look like the exhaust coming from a jet. Not to mention, the trajectory doesn’t correspond to flight paths used by airlines and private jets.

Cr4sh Dummy on November 11, 2010 at 6:06 PM

You have to factor in that a lot of these people voted for Brown and Boxer.

enginemike on November 12, 2010 at 2:23 PM