Democrats not the only ones nervous in the Senate for 2012

posted at 3:35 pm on November 11, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Now that the Tea-nami has swept through the House of Representatives, the activists in the Tea Party are already looking at 2012.  Democrats will be especially vulnerable in that cycle, as they have to defend 23 seats while Republicans only have to defend 10.  Most see the dynamic of 2012 as a return of the Senate to GOP control, especially if the economy continues to stagnate for another year, as most economists predict.  But as Shira Toeplitz reminds us at Politico, Democrats aren’t the only members of the Class of 2006 looking over their shoulders:

Another bloody Republican Senate primary election season is taking shape for 2012, with potentially serious intra-party challenges percolating in close to a half-dozen states.

Polls indicate that at least two veteran GOP senators are highly vulnerable to challenges on their right flank — Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch and Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe – and there are rumblings about potential GOP bids against Nevada Sen. John Ensign, Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison and Indiana Sen. Dick Lugar as well.

On the whole, the 2012 map looks extremely promising for the GOP. After posting a six-seat gain in 2010, Republicans are in a position to pick up even more seats in the 2012 cycle, with 21 Democratic senators up for re-election, including two Independents who caucus with them, compared to just 10 Republicans.

But the possibility of multiple fractious primary challenges casts a shadow over the 2012 cycle after an election season marked by two GOP Senate incumbents who were denied renomination, a third who switched parties to avoid a tough primary and several other messy primaries that likely cost the party a chance at winning a majority.

Of the four mentioned, two seem unlikely to have to worry about getting primary challenges.  Orrin Hatch has a reputation for building consensus in the upper chamber, but also has maintained key connections to conservative activists.  He has angered the base less than his former colleague Robert Bennett did, who got beat in the GOP convention by newly-elected Senator Mike Lee.   Even before that upset occurred, Hatch had begun outreach to Tea Party activists to shore up his right flank.  Popular conservative Rep. Jason Chaffetz might have the standing to push Hatch aside, but expect Hatch to make a good case for his worth in the next two years of battles over ObamaCare and budgets.

Similarly, Dick Lugar will probably survive, assuming he doesn’t want to retire.  Lugar is more problematic for conservatives than Hatch, but he also comes from a less conservative state than Utah.  Unless Mike Pence decides to challenge him (and he would have run this year if he wanted a Senate seat), Lugar would likely do better in the primary system than Hatch may do in the convention system Utah uses.  Again, Lugar has two years to convince Hoosiers that while he’s not deeply conservative, he’s conservative enough.  Mitch Daniels could give him a tough primary, though, and Daniels may look at that as an option instead of a long-shot presidential run.  Marlin Stutzman could try again, too, but falling short of Dan Coats in a Tea Party year suggests that he may not have enough support to get close.

Ensign and Snowe should be nervous, but for different reasons.  Ensign has deeply troubling ethics problem in Nevada, which his explanations have not begun to clear up.   That situation has percolated for the last couple of years and may never result in any official action, but Nevada Democrats will be looking to target him — and will probably succeed if they do.  The GOP needs to find a good candidate who can run well in a general election.

Snowe’s problems are obvious.  She crossed over to vote for Democrats on key pieces of legislation like Porkulus and is always a wild card in play for big-government programs.  Toeplitz reports that Maine Republicans have noticed — and they’re not happy:

In Maine, polls show ominous signs for Snowe. Even though she has some of the highest job approval ratings of any senator up for re-election in 2012, a September Public Policy Polling survey of likely Republican voters showed Snowe losing by a wide margin to a generic “more conservative” candidate, 29 percent to 63 percent.

When matched against 2006 GOP gubernatorial nominee Chandler Woodcock – who a PPP spokesman said was merely a placeholder in the survey—Snowe trailed by a 24-point margin. Woodcock did not return a request for comment on whether he is actually interested in challenging Snowe, but the senator has already attracted a little-known primary opponent: Scott D’Amboise, who announced his campaign to challenge the senator as early as last February.

Still, even without a top-flight Republican challenger on the horizon, Snowe worked to shore up her conservative credentials by campaigning for and recording automated phone calls for tea party-backed Republican Governor-elect Paul LePage, who is at odds with the two-term senator on social issues such as abortion and gay rights.

Snowe’s late discovery of her inner conservative won’t wipe the stain of Porkulus from her record.  Her vote in favor of the package turned out to be not only wrong on policy, but also deprived the GOP of the means to force Democrats into allowing them to amend and shape the bill.  It was a stunning betrayal from both Snowe and her colleague Susan Collins, who will have to answer for that in 2014.

There is nothing wrong with making incumbents nervous and demanding accountability.  This time, with some experience under its belt, the Tea Party will likely field even better alternatives in Republican primaries.  They should be nervous.


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My God woman – 1994 was a WAVE election and not every Republican won their election. I’m telling you that the whole state government in Maine went RED …

And you’re telling me that that’s not true because ONE GUY … ONE GUY … only got 38% of the vote.

HondaV65 on November 11, 2010 at 5:26 PM

But he’s the only Republican who ran statewide. And 62% of voters voted against him. What makes you think some conservative can win a Senate race against a well-known and well-financed Democrat in a Presidential year, or beat Olympia Snowe if she runs as an independent?

rockmom on November 11, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Tea Party version 2.0 should scare these guys. Bigger, smarter, more focused.

Snowe, Graham, Collins, et al. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Sugar Land on November 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Graham is lucky enough to not be up for another 2 elections. I just sure as hell hope someone archived his ‘we need to nationalize the banks’ spiel on Fox.

clement on November 11, 2010 at 5:35 PM

One election doesn’t make a blue state red.

rockmom on November 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM

So … Maine is a BLUE state?

LOL.

Hell – Mississippi and Louisiana both have ONE Blue Congressman – I guess I’ll go tell Jindal and Barbour they’re governing BLUE states!

I don’t know what else to do here rockmom – I mean – a metric is a metric – and owning the Governor’s office, the State House, and the State Senate is a pretty significant metric.

But if you want to ignore that – hell – have at it!

HondaV65 on November 11, 2010 at 5:37 PM

But he’s the only Republican who ran statewide. And 62% of voters voted against him. What makes you think some conservative can win a Senate race against a well-known and well-financed Democrat in a Presidential year, or beat Olympia Snowe if she runs as an independent?

rockmom on November 11, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Did he not win the race?

The race had multiple candidates – people don’t vote “against” a candidate – they vote FOR the one they want. If it hadn’t been a multiple candidate race – then it’s quite probably that LePage would have won more – maybe even 50%.

That’s crystal ball stuff.

What’s NOT crystal ball – is the fact that Maine voters put the Governor’s Mansion, the State House, and the State Senate in the Republican’s hands.

It’s a RED state now. Will it stay that way forever? Hell – will Louisiana stay RED forever?

No.

HondaV65 on November 11, 2010 at 5:40 PM

And by the way – Paul LePage was Tea Party backed and he’s going to be the next governor of Maine.

I know that ticks a lot of people off – but it’s a fact.

I don’t care if he won with 38% … THAT’S A WIN.

HondaV65 on November 11, 2010 at 5:42 PM

They should be nervous.

Bottom line.

tom on November 11, 2010 at 5:47 PM

But he’s the only Republican who ran statewide. And 62% of voters voted against him. What makes you think some conservative can win a Senate race against a well-known and well-financed Democrat in a Presidential year, or beat Olympia Snowe if she runs as an independent?

rockmom on November 11, 2010 at 5:34 PM

And by the way … I just did some internet research and it didn’t take long rockmom …

While you’re berating LePage’s 38% victory – do you wanna also tell us what the Democrat’s percentages were? ;)

And then look at us with a straight face after saying that number and tell us that Maine is BLUE state.

Nevemind … I’ll give you the number …

The Democrat opposing LePage got 19 percent of the vote.

But nevermind the facts – it’s still a HUGE rejection of LePage and the Republicans! LOL

HondaV65 on November 11, 2010 at 5:48 PM

I have to say I have been thoroughly enjoying your posts HondaV65. You are the poster that I agree with the most.

ReneePA on November 11, 2010 at 5:48 PM

I have to say I have been thoroughly enjoying your posts HondaV65. You are the poster that I agree with the most.

ReneePA on November 11, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Well I don’t know why – I’m just an idiot. And … I am wrong a lot. But I’m not wrong that Maine made a decisive statement FOR the GOP last week and it’s a RED STATE now.

Forever? Hell no – Louisiana has only been a RED state since Reagan. Things change.

The Democratic candidate for Governor in Maine got 19% of the vote last week. That’s a pretty positive rejection.

HondaV65 on November 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM

The woman is intensely disliked by a good bit of the republican base in Maine, but the Country Club elites who run the party in the state love her.

JIMV on November 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM

It’s time for Snowe to leave.

GarandFan on November 11, 2010 at 6:02 PM

but the Country Club elites who run the party in the state love her.

JIMV on November 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM

When are those Country Club elites up for re-election?

We all need to pay closer attention to the people we are electing to our local Republican Central Committees!

Local Republican Central Committee elections really do make a difference in how effective your local party is and they have vote on the state level issues too at Republican conventions.

Most Central Committee meetings are open to the public, so you can attend and observe to help decide who deserves to be re-elected.

wren on November 11, 2010 at 6:04 PM

if a state elects Harry Reid, then it will surely never elect a Republican. just sayin

kelley in virginia on November 11, 2010 at 6:10 PM

If not for those self-serving morons, we would be in charge of the senate right now.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Who is “we?” I’m pretty sure that by “we” you don’t mean conservative Republicans, since Castle wasn’t one of that group.

It seems clear that Delaware Republicans decided Castle was not one of them, in spite of being a Republican nominally. If he couldn’t win the election, that’s his own fault. He’s tried so hard to look like a Democrat that the Republicans in the state couldn’t see why he was preferable to one. Whining about O’Donnell won’t change that.

Next time, you RINOs need to run someone conservative enough to win.

tom on November 11, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Its EVEN BETTER than that Honda, the dim who was running and only got 19% was the senate president, which turned red, so that makes her a big time loser… she’s 70 anyways, time for gramma to hang it up.

Not sure who in the state could pose a good primary challenge to Snowe, but I bet the outgoing Democrat Gov is gonna run against Snowe.

maineconservative on November 11, 2010 at 6:14 PM

HondaV65 on November 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM

You’re not wrong comrade, and you know that.
However, rockmom is awesome also, so don’t be too hard on her. We all have our moments…

Keemo on November 11, 2010 at 6:21 PM

The prevailing view in the Northeast is that the GOP cannot win with a conservative nominee. Of course, there is never an attempt to prove the CW empirically, as any attempt to do so would only embarrass the proponent of the CW.

That same argument was offered routinely by certain people–won’t mention any names, rockmom–as a reason to continue nominating Arlen Specter for the GOP. But even though Specter changed parties and then was crushed anyway, and even though conservative Pat Toomey won in his place in 2010, the CW lives on, impervious to the facts on the ground.

Which leads me to conclude that the CW is not an argument at all, it is merely a claim to turf, and nothing more.

james23 on November 11, 2010 at 6:23 PM

I’m sure the Maine Tea Party Express/Nation/Whatever will do the responsible thing and nominate a homeless guy who screams bible passages at people.

Speedwagon82 on November 11, 2010 at 6:25 PM

A republican has already announced his intent to run against Sen. Tester(D) MT for the 2012 election. A group here has already been running radio ads against him. Baucus is next after that.

Kissmygrits on November 11, 2010 at 6:25 PM

I really hope Orrin Hatch will retire. He’s been good on some things for us, but too often he lets his allegiance to The Club get in the way of his allegiance to his principles and to his constituents. It would be best for all of if he retired with grace. Even a good long career is spoilt if the Senator just cannot give up the power and perks.

If he insists, like so many others, on being carried out of the Senate on a stretcher–then so be it.

james23 on November 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM

First you say we, then you say ‘you and your ilk.’ Get over yourself, hater troll. You’re not smart enough to debate.

fossten on November 11, 2010 at 4:39 PM

I hate when you guys go to that crutch about being smart enough. That’s how you know you have lost the argument. Can you show me how you can elect a hardcore conservative in Maine. Tell me where it worked. This after an election where we got wiped in blue states like MA.

p/s: I do have a phd by the way. Just in case you are wondering how smart I am.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM

What’s your email? I’d like to add it to SarahPAC.

darwin on November 11, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Are you kidding me? Sarah Palin is an unqualified drama queen. Romney is the only person who can beat Obama.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 6:29 PM

p/s: I do have a phd by the way. Just in case you are wondering how smart I am.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM

You get judged here on the content of your comments and the ability to back up any claims you make with links. So far, I’d have to say you’re below average.

Keemo on November 11, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Are you kidding me? Sarah Palin is an unqualified drama queen. Romney is the only person who can beat Obama.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 6:29 PM

oh yeah just what we need a progressive RINO…romneycare…right.

hell might as stick with obummer.

right4life on November 11, 2010 at 6:37 PM

I hate when you guys go to that crutch about being smart enough. That’s how you know you have lost the argument. Can you show me how you can elect a hardcore conservative in Maine. Tell me where it worked. This after an election where we got wiped in blue states like MA.

p/s: I do have a phd by the way. Just in case you are wondering how smart I am.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM

uh who cares? we’d rather have real conservatives than RINOs.

right4life on November 11, 2010 at 6:39 PM

p/s: I do have a phd by the way. Just in case you are wondering how smart I am.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Smart is as smart does…

OmahaConservative on November 11, 2010 at 6:41 PM

If this happens, then we should kiss taking the senate goodbye. This is the nonsense that DeMint and Palin pulled this time. If not for those self-serving morons, we would be in charge of the senate right now. If snowe loses the primary, i fully support her running a write-in campaign. Maine is not Texas or Utah. We don’t need another Christine O’Donnell nonsense again.

Conservatives are becoming very stupid. Maybe they should find a primary challenger for Scott Brown too. This is such nonsense.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 3:43 PM

We certainly do not need a repeat of the republican establishment badmouthing republican candidates again, especially after they have won the primaries; that sort of chases off the independents.

At the very least Snowe needs to be forced to change parties, and finding a primary challenger for Scott Brown would not hurt either.

Slowburn on November 11, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Are you kidding me? Sarah Palin is an unqualified drama queen. Romney is the only person who can beat Obama.
Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 6:29 PM

that’s why the commies treat her like an invading army and the punk press spare no attempt to belittle her

if you aren’t catching flack, you aren’t over the target

what do you think of her opinion concerning bernanke reckless QE?

Sonosam on November 11, 2010 at 6:55 PM

By the way I am just a carpenter but have long since grown tired of selfavowed smarties who would perish without a grant

Sonosam on November 11, 2010 at 6:57 PM

p/s: I do have a phd by the way. Just in case you are wondering how smart I am.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Sorta like all those brilliant PhDs running this country into the ground?

Okey Dokey then. Makes sense now :)

lilspitfire on November 11, 2010 at 7:00 PM

You get judged here on the content of your comments and the ability to back up any claims you make with links. So far, I’d have to say you’re below average.

Keemo on November 11, 2010 at 6:37 PM

I was one of the people here shouting about how we were going to lose with o’Donnell, and u smart conservatives were saying she would win. What happened?

You smart conservatives have lost ur minds.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Sorta like all those brilliant PhDs running this country into the ground?

Okey Dokey then. Makes sense now :)

lilspitfire on November 11, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Of course you would rather a high school graduate run the country then. This celebration of dumbness needs to stop.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Haha

you font need to be a phd to run the country

You have to be moral and keep the playing field fair for our human capital to bring prosperity

it’s what got us to the top

you only need these supposed brilliant jerks who wax endlessly to cover their larceny

Sonosam on November 11, 2010 at 7:12 PM

You smart conservatives have lost ur minds.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Actually, that’s not what the majority of people here at HA were saying at all. Try again.

Keemo on November 11, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Great picture of Snowe. It’s like the corpse of Olive Oyl has come to life.

Cicero43 on November 11, 2010 at 3:44 PM

fixed

cableguy615 on November 11, 2010 at 7:28 PM

p/s: I do have a phd by the way. Just in case you are wondering how smart I am.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM

A*hole alert. How appropriate it is Mitt Romney’s campaign mgr at HA.

james23 on November 11, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Chudi Chudi Chudi,

Mittens is old news. The new establishment poster boy is Thune…

As for your PHD, that’s a pretty good accomplishment. I’m sure the parents are proud…

Gohawgs on November 11, 2010 at 7:46 PM

She is not a republican. She is a socialist democrat.

proconstitution on November 11, 2010 at 7:59 PM

We certainly do not need a repeat of the republican establishment badmouthing republican candidates again, especially after they have won the primaries; that sort of chases off the independents.

If Rove wants to redeem himself, he should help identify a candidate that can be credible enough and conservative enough to beat Snowe in a primary.

“help me i’m melting. ahhhhhhh!”- Snowe in 2012

redeye on November 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Someone good had better primary Hutchinson. Or I’ll do it myself!

WannabeAnglican on November 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM

Olympia Snowe is a Republican?

Huh… who knew? I thought she was an aristocrat.

ajacksonian on November 11, 2010 at 8:47 PM

I read somewhere that “if you scratch a Mainer, you’ll find a (pejorative)”…

It will be a good day for America when Maine replaces their 2 x US Senators…

Khun Joe on November 11, 2010 at 8:55 PM

As for your PHD, that’s a pretty good accomplishment. I’m sure the parents are proud…

Gohawgs on November 11, 2010 at 7:46 PM

Thanks, but I really don’t need ur acknowledgement about it. I would rather u and ur fellow smart conservatives stop questioning people who are anti-Palin.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 9:02 PM

hell might as stick with obummer.

right4life on November 11, 2010 at 6:37 PM

I think that’s what Chubbi is hoping for!

cableguy615 on November 11, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Thanks, but I really don’t need ur acknowledgement about it. I would rather u and ur fellow smart conservatives stop questioning people who are anti-Palin.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 9:02 PM

If you don’t want the acknowledgement, why did you post it for all to see?

And, what about my fellow “dumb” conservatives who question? Can’t leave them out…

Gohawgs on November 11, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Chud

it doesn’t take a genius to know what is killing this country

the dirty commie left and chicken shite right are choking the life out of this place

all we need to do is open up energy exploration, alllow the building of high efficiency goal burning plants, build reactors, all which we are the foremost experts at

combine that with tax cuts and fpending cuts and fire half the experts that reside in DC

I know, you will probably come back with how our global warming or whatever will turn catastrophic but of course that has been the excuse to curtail our independence and centralize power among useless elites

that’s my plan if I had a choice which we do

just got to get rid of you commie phd useless trolls

Sonosam on November 11, 2010 at 9:27 PM

If you don’t want the acknowledgement, why did you post it for all to see?

And, what about my fellow “dumb” conservatives who question? Can’t leave them out…

Gohawgs on November 11, 2010 at 9:21 PM

I did cus you fellow smart conservatives claimed I was dumb for not supporting Palin. Now isn’t that an oxymoron?

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 10:07 PM

Sonosam on November 11, 2010 at 9:27 PM

You really are preaching to the choir. I don’t think there is anything like man-made global warming. I am a conservative, and I know this might shock the smart conservatives, but you can be one, and not think Palin is qualified to be president.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 10:09 PM

No, Chudi. An oxymoron is someone that claims to be a conservative yet supports candidates that don’t support reducing the size of Gov’t. Not to mention candidates that give a certain type of foot wear a bad name.

Gohawgs on November 11, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Sorta like all those brilliant PhDs running this country into the ground?

Okey Dokey then. Makes sense now :)

lilspitfire on November 11, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Of course you would rather a high school graduate run the country then. This celebration of dumbness needs to stop.

Chudi on November 11, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Apparently congress is not the stronghold of PhD’s. Also, only one President has had a PhD degree. Ten Presidents have had no college degree at all.

From: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40086.pdf

As has been true in recent Congresses, the vast majority of Members (95%) of the 111th Congress
hold university degrees.9 CRS research indicates that 27 Members of the House and one Senator
have no educational degree beyond a high school diploma.
Five Members of the House, but no
Senators, have Associates’ degrees as their highest degree, and one House Member has an L.P.N. (nursing) degree. Eighty-three Members of the House and 17 Senators earned a master’s degree
as their highest educational degree, and 168 Members of the House and 57 Senators have a law
degree. Of the Members holding a law degree, five (three House Members and two Senators) also
hold an LLM (Master of Laws) degree. Twenty-four Representatives (but no Senators) have
doctoral (Ph.D.) degrees,
and 17 Members of the House and three Senators have a medical
degree.10

Yoop on November 11, 2010 at 10:45 PM

It’s true, Maine just went RED along with several other States including my State of Montana. I’m no expert on Maine, but I do know how to read elections results.

Keemo on November 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM

The way I see it, Maine elected a GOP governor with 38% vs. an independent candidate with 36% and another independent candidate at 5%. I wouldn’t count that, without more, as a huge swing for the GOP.

Jimbo3 on November 11, 2010 at 10:53 PM

If not for those self-serving morons, we would be in charge of the senate right now.

Is that you, morning schmo, or are you a different moron?

xblade on November 11, 2010 at 11:06 PM

first time in 40 years Jimbo.

maineconservative on November 11, 2010 at 11:13 PM

thats Governor, Senate, and Legislature going blue to red in one election in Maine.

as for sending back to DC the 2 dem asswipes we have for reps, not sure what Mainers were thinking.

maineconservative on November 11, 2010 at 11:16 PM

What part of a red state legislature isn’t understood?

That’s the bonus in the last election, numerous states fed up with blue legislatures

Sonosam on November 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM

Snowe, ACU ratings for the past 5 years for those that want the numbers: 48, 12, 28, 36, 32 Avg: 31.2
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=26885&type=category&category=17&go.x=9&go.y=14

We need to keep a 30? We can’t possibly do better than a 30? Shooting for a 50-60 is a horrid idea? I’m not clear on why keeping a less than 1/3rd conservative voter should be a priority.

Do we try to “save” moderate Democrats who run a 40 in blue states? If 30 is good enough to keep and not even primary, why wouldn’t we?

Lugar, lifetime ACU 77. Not sure Indiana is a 90%+ candidate location. Would have to be a good candidate to bother risking him. He might not be perfect, but I’m not worried about dumping him deliberately.

As for primarying Hatch? Not sure I see it. ACU in the high 80′s, if we get a mid-90′s candidate he could probably win Utah, but that risk for a handful of points at most for an unknown? The primary candidate would have to have a real track record of solid conservative votes, not just promises before I’d think it was a worthwhile endeavor.

Hutchison, ACU lifetime 90; see above… I don’t see that as a useful risk without a sure “better” and even if you get it, you get maybe 5% overall. I’m not sure I see the point.

Ensign, lifetime ACU 94. What?

Ensign has deeply troubling ethics problem in Nevada

Oh… sorry, didn’t know that. Thought someone had lost their freaking minds. Yeah, if he’s a deadweight from an ethical standpoint I can see replacing him. Was focusing on “conservative” not “bad candidate”.

This time, with some experience under its belt, the Tea Party will likely field even better alternatives in Republican primaries.

There’s something to gladden my heart. If we can switch Snowe with a 55-60 ACU average wouldn’t that be worthwhile? Still RINO country, but that’s what the state is.

I’m ok with the “we can’t run a 90% candidate everywhere” concept; but when you fall under 40 on a 5-year rolling average; I think you’re no longer on the same side as me.

gekkobear on November 12, 2010 at 1:55 AM

Legit challengers to Kay? How about either Greg Abbott or Michael William; fire-breathing conservatives both.

michaelo on November 11, 2010 at 4:02 PM

I’ve heard Dewhurst may be interested as well.

CDeb on November 11, 2010 at 4:25 PM

CDeb – Kay Barely Republican should retire, but no way will I vote for Darth Dewhurst. His refusal to eliminate the “Rosebush Bill” (or Blocker bill, if you prefer), allowed such items as voter ID legislation to languish and eventually die without votes. If he does it again this term, I will support anyone who runs against him in the primaries…

golfer1 on November 12, 2010 at 7:41 AM

Legit challengers to Kay? How about either Greg Abbott or Michael William; fire-breathing conservatives both.

michaelo on November 11, 2010 at 4:02 PM

I’ve heard Dewhurst may be interested as well.

CDeb on November 11, 2010 at 4:25 PM

CDeb – Trying again – Kay Barely Republican should retire, but no way will I vote for Darth Dewhurst. His refusal to eliminate the “Rosebush Bill” (or Blocker bill, if you prefer), allowed such items as voter ID legislation to languish and eventually die without votes. If he does it again this term, I will support anyone who runs against him in the primaries…

golfer1 on November 12, 2010 at 8:04 AM

HondaV65 on November 11, 2010 at 5:40 PM

You are correct and in the bigger picture, NH flipped red also. The socialists in Mass had a tough time too. They won but it was clear the landscape is shifting under them.

The socialists are on their way out.

dogsoldier on November 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM

You folks don’t really understand about smart and dumb conservatives. A smart conservative is one who agrees with the pristine faith of the poster. Dumb conservatives are those who disagree. Not all Phds are super smart, but I’ll guarantee they generally have analysis capabilities that exceed those of a ditch digger. Aslo, don’t confuse Phds with doctors of education or law.

Using words like

the dirty commie left and chicken shite right are choking the life out of this place

doesn’t add to your argument. There are many good thoughts in these posts, but the hatred of the conservative pharasees dulls their arguments. I guess the Conservatives are heading for the old jim crow philosophy of “one drop of liberal blood a liberal makes.” Or, one disapproved thought in a conservative makes him/her a dirty commie liberal.

Lastly, I have noted that the final argument of the pharasee conservative is to accuse the object of his/her derision of not answering their argument. I wonder if that person has stopped beating his wife/husband yet.

Old Country Boy on November 12, 2010 at 9:12 AM

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