Dems wonder: Should we replace our wizened, widely hated leadership with younger, more appealing pols?

posted at 8:00 pm on November 10, 2010 by Allahpundit

And so, my friends, the time has come for yet another Scooby Doo mystery.

Today’s episode: “The Case of the Alienated Swing Voters.”

A younger generation of Democrats is chafing at being asked to stand aside and let a triumvirate of elders keep their leadership positions in the wake of a catastrophic midterm election result…

Democratic Reps. Xavier Becerra (Calif.), Chris Van Hollen (Md.), Joseph Crowley (N.Y.) and Diana DeGette (Colo.), among others, were all seen as top contenders to move up but have found themselves in limbo as Pelosi locks down the minority-leader post and Hoyer and Clyburn vie for whip. Becerra is trying to hold on to the vice chairmanship of the caucus, while Van Hollen, the campaign chief appointed by Pelosi as assistant to the Speaker, is for now on the outside looking in. He is now seeking the top Democratic position on the House Budget Committee…

“We can’t let them sit on the bench for too much longer,” one Democratic aide said, referring to the party’s younger lawmakers. “There’s a push to add in some new ideas and new faces and new energy.”…

Others said Pelosi had won the right to lead the caucus next year through her performance as Speaker. “She’s taken us this far,” Rep. Mike Honda (D-Calif.) said.

It’s quotes like that last one that make me think, yeah, maybe they really do need grief counselors to help them process what happened last week. But only some of them. Others do indeed see things clearly now:

Pelosi announced Friday that she’s running for minority leader in the new Congress, and her election still seems on track. But a movement by conservative Blue Dogs to block her ascent has picked up support from some liberals and even a handful of longtime Pelosi allies, who question whether she is best person to lead the battered party in the House.

At least 15 Democrats have said publicly that they have lost faith in her ability to lead — a number backed up by as many as two dozen more who are indicating the same thing privately, while others haven’t yet taken sides…

If she’s able to stay atop the Democratic Caucus, she won’t be in control of it — at least not the way she used to be. The drip-drip-drip of public defectors demonstrates that some of her troops no longer fear the repercussions of challenging her authority. And some clearly see political benefit in publicly thumbing their nose at the unpopular outgoing speaker.

An excellent point at the end there, which reinforces the one I made yesterday about how anyone can expect Pelosi to have the same sway over the next crop of Blue Dogs down the road when Democrats start winning swing districts again. She’s not going to be an 800-pound gorilla within the caucus after losing 60 seats. Just ain’t happening, and it’s also not the case that she’s some sort of electoral genius who engineered the Democrats’ big House gains in 2006 and 2008. She was the prime beneficiary, but the architects of those waves were Rahm Emanuel and of course George W. Bush. Not even liberals would deny — I hope — that most of the Democratic wins in those cycles were due to disgust/fatigue with Dubya plus smart politics by the DCCC in recruiting centrist Dems to steal purple districts. Pelosi’s talent was in using those gains to push through the legislation that’s so endeared her and her party to the electorate this year. Now that that job is done, there’s no reason to keep her. Except, of course, to pay homage and to spite the wingnuts, even as people like Becerra and Van Hollen wither on the vine. Oh well. Your funeral, libs.


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Younger authoritarians to replace the older ones.

lorien1973 on November 10, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Hmmmmm… that picture of Pelosi so close to that picture of Murkowski shows a striking similarity. Perhaps it’s the sense of entitlement?

myrenovations on November 10, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Not even liberals would deny — I hope — that most of the Democratic gains over the last two cycles were due to disgust/fatigue with Dubya plus smart politics by the DCCC in recruiting centrist Dems who could steal purple districts.

I think you’re right- it was a combination of disgust with Dudya’s massive spending spree and the near collapse of the economy triggered by Wall Street’s casino gambling operation. It’s not that the country moved to the left.

bayam on November 10, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Run some fresh college graduates that have never worked in private industry.

Inanemergencydial on November 10, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Geez, is this supposed to be hard? C’mon, Dems, the answer is both simple and obvious.

More botox, Nancy!

malclave on November 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Dems wonder: Should we replace our wizened, widely hated leadership with younger, more appealing pols?

Nancy Pelosi making an appointment with her plastic surgeon as we speak.

mizflame98 on November 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM

No! Harry and Nancy are just perfect for the poster children of the Dems.

TXMomof3 on November 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM

I doubt her replacements will be much different than she is, just younger.

sharrukin on November 10, 2010 at 8:07 PM

My vote goes to Wasserman-Schultz for this position.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Without Pelosi to lead the democrats have nothing. She is talented, experienced, and knows how to get things done. She has the support of all of those liberal 501(3)(c) groups funded in part by G. Soros. She has the confidence of the President, especially after getting the Obama agenda through congress.

Now is not the time to go with someone of less experience in handling people, less experience with the process of moving bills through congress. If the democrats intend to stop what the GOP is planning, they need Pelosi. She is the only leader in the party that can take the war to the enemy.

Skandia Recluse on November 10, 2010 at 8:10 PM

thers said Pelosi had won the right to lead the caucus next year through her performance as Speaker. “She’s taken us this far she drove us into the ditch,” Rep. Mike Honda (D-Calif.) said.

mizflame98 on November 10, 2010 at 8:10 PM

My vote goes to Wasserman-Schultz for this position.

Her snaggle tooth on video clips everyday would be more than I could bare.

How bout that hot slice of trim, Barbara Mikulsky?

rickyricardo on November 10, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Now that that job is done, there’s no reason to keep her. Except, of course, to pay homage and to spite the wingnuts, even as people like Becerra and Van Hollen wither on the vine. Oh well. Your funeral, libs.

nice one, AP.

ted c on November 10, 2010 at 8:13 PM

How bout that hot slice of trim, Barbara Mikulsky?

rickyricardo on November 10, 2010 at 8:11 PM

dude, I got her calendar….*whew**/

ted c on November 10, 2010 at 8:13 PM

“She’s taken us this far,” Rep. Mike Honda (D-Calif.) said.

This statement can be intepreted in several ways…

Wethal on November 10, 2010 at 8:14 PM

malclave on November 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM

+1 GMTA

MetaThought on November 10, 2010 at 8:17 PM

they absolutely need Pelosi. The progressives aren’t the ones making the noises I bet.

If Obama is smart he’ll want her there to act as the lefty troll of party, while he goes to the “middle”…what better than a shrieking leftist to provide cover?

In order to triangulate, you have to have leftist wackos.

btw, if he’s smart he will cool his lefty jets a lot over the next two years….have beer summits every week with the blue dogs and Rs. His legacy is healthcare. Cool the jets enough to get re-elected and it will last forever.

r keller on November 10, 2010 at 8:18 PM

Didn’t Van Hollen just preside over the election efforts of them losing about 65 seats? Why would he move up? It would be the same as rewarding Queen Nan.

lizzie beth on November 10, 2010 at 8:19 PM

How bout that hot slice of trim, Barbara Mikulsky?

rickyricardo on November 10, 2010 at 8:11 PM

dude, I got her calendar….*whew**/

ted c on November 10, 2010 at 8:13 PM

hahahaha, Was it printed on a bedsheet sized fold over?

OkieDoc on November 10, 2010 at 8:21 PM

hahahaha, Was it printed on a bedsheet sized fold over?

OkieDoc on November 10, 2010 at 8:21 PM

actually it was a 4×8′ sheet of plywood…./

ted c on November 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM

hahahaha, Was it printed on a bedsheet sized fold over?

OkieDoc on November 10, 2010 at 8:21 PM

The staple in the middle is to hold the barf bag in place.

viking01 on November 10, 2010 at 8:24 PM

NO!!! Keep Madame Botox and Dingy as the poster children of the Dims!!!
We need every advantage we can get given that our side will do everything it can do to snatch losing from the jaws of victory.

Dingbat63 on November 10, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Translation: should we try to add some nice curvy eye magnets to our lineup in order to draw in votes from hormone-addled males?

I say give it a whirl, Democrats. At the very least your opponents won’t have a monopoly on the market.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:26 PM

How about some sock puppets….

dangitt on November 10, 2010 at 8:27 PM

My vote goes to Wasserman-Schultz for this position.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2010 at 8:08 PM

For a dem, she’s very smart and someone worthy of a leadership position. I’ve always wondered if she has statewide ambitions. If she doesn’t move up in the house, she might.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on November 10, 2010 at 8:28 PM

btw, if he’s smart he will cool his lefty jets a lot over the next two years….have beer summits every week with the blue dogs and Rs. His legacy is healthcare. Cool the jets enough to get re-elected and it will last forever.

r keller on November 10, 2010 at 8:18 PM

You got that right – only problem is that this “legacy” might just get him booted from office – some legacy. And as for the making a hard right turn to the center – not gonna happen. Obama is an ideologue first and a politician second. He’s just using the latter in order to enact the former. The fact that they’re blaming their losses on messaging of their ideas instead of the ideas themselves tell you all you need to know about which ideological direction they plan to follow.

volnation on November 10, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Diana DeGette is neither fresh, nor appealing.

SouthernGent on November 10, 2010 at 8:28 PM

My vote goes to Wasserman-Schultz for this position.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2010 at 8:08 PM

If it’s humanly possible, I actually loathe that horrible woman even more so than Pelosi.

mrsmwp on November 10, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Nooooo!!! The Dems have to keep Nancy! How can they ever replace the Yoda-like wisdom of one who proclaims with a straight face “we have to pass this bill so you can see what’s in it” or who so clearly understands that artists need free health care so they can quit their jobs or leads the charge to declare dissenting viewpoints un-American?

Keep Nancy! America needs the unifying clarity of her vision. Who in our lifetime has managed to deliver a 60+ turnover in the House? Pure genius, man!

obladioblada on November 10, 2010 at 8:41 PM

For a dem, she’s very smart and someone worthy of a leadership position. I’ve always wondered if she has statewide ambitions. If she doesn’t move up in the house, she might.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on November 10, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Are you serious!…She is a moonbat!..:)

Dire Straits on November 10, 2010 at 8:47 PM

The young’uns should put their money where their mouths are – form a 3rd party.

Couldn’t do any worse than what’s going to happen to the democrats in 2012.

Rebar on November 10, 2010 at 8:50 PM

I think Pelosi and Clyburn would make wonderful headliners for Democrats.

Never interrupt an enemy from making an egregious mistake…

Besides, the young socialists are even duller than the old oones. The young ones, like Obama, think the bad ideas of the past will work this time because it is the first time THEY have tried.

Better to let the old guard way outlive itself, knock off some of the younger smarties and destroy the morale of the faithful, which is always instructive and a maturing process for most involved.

I think Pelosi is mentally infirm, and can’t think of a finer example to stand up for Democrat goals.

Harry Schell on November 10, 2010 at 8:52 PM

No!!

tree hugging sister on November 10, 2010 at 8:52 PM

I think we should get up a collection for some sharp knives and pass them out to the Democrats in Congress. Turn out the lights……….

Then order some popcorn.

Exit Question: When does Clyburn accuse Nancy of ‘spitting on him’?

GarandFan on November 10, 2010 at 8:54 PM

The elders aren’t going to give up their posts, no matter what the polls say. They can’t see beyond their own nose, they don’t care what the polls or the voters say, and they’ll give Nancy another gavel out of sheer stupidity. Go ahead, Dems, keep her on.

scalleywag on November 10, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Oh, Pelosi’s a wicked, mad CRAZY genius alright: “We have to pass the bill to learn what’s in it.” Please, by all means, keep this genius in charge – we want to switch another 60 seats in 2012.

ya2daup on November 10, 2010 at 8:57 PM

By all means keep my California zombie couple of Pelosi and her Igor, George Miller. If they’re still in the leadership they have less time to come back to haunt California.
We’re already knee deep in leftist ghouls.

jjshaka on November 10, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Hey Nancy, you’re 70 years old and you’re not Joan Rivers. Why not grow old gracefully and lay off the procedures? Talk about “rode hard and put away wet”!

disa on November 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM

An interesting on topic observation today from Robert Costa at NRO. He saw Pelosi returning to her office after a meeting…and she was virtually ignored by the press.

Ten months ago, in March, Pelosi roamed this same hall as Queen of the House — The Speaker Who Passed Health Care — and any glimpse of her would make the Hill press corps leap for their pen and pads. No more. Instead, reporters are battling each other to hear the man who pledges repeal.

The brief episode struck me: Pelosi may still be speaker, but the pulse of power no longer lingers. Reporters give her a smile back, but that’s about it. Politics, as ever, moves forward.

marybel on November 10, 2010 at 10:35 PM

It looks like her dentures are loose in that picture. What is it about Dem women that are on tv who have issues with speaking like they have dental problems? Pelosi, Wasserman etc. I can’t even hear what they are saying half the time, because I am cringing over their speech impediments.

txmomof6 on November 10, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Skandia Recluse on November 10, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Absolutely correct. We underestimate her at our peril. She did push Obama-care through against great opposition, including opposition within her own party.

Furthermore, the Republicans are a long way from proving that they’ve learned their lesson. If they screw up this 2nd chance at leadership, there will be a 3rd party in 2012, and it will split the Republican vote, and the Democrats will be back in charge in the House. As Minority Leader, Pelosi will be unchallengeable to again be Speaker. That’s the job she really wants and she is positioning herself to grab it back.

ss396 on November 10, 2010 at 11:19 PM

Same contents, different wrapper.

diogenes on November 10, 2010 at 11:23 PM

My vote goes to Wasserman-Schultz for this position.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2010 at 8:08 PM

If it’s humanly possible, I actually loathe that horrible woman even more so than Pelosi.

mrsmwp on November 10, 2010 at 8:32 PM

I mailed her a bottle of shampoo last year, but it appears she didn’t take the hint.

slickwillie2001 on November 10, 2010 at 11:33 PM

To quote Paul Dooley, the used-car salesman dad in Breaking Away, “N, O, double-oh, NO!”

The War Planner on November 10, 2010 at 11:33 PM

Dmes made Palamino their Speaker and we’re the extremists? Heh.

Aquateen Hungerforce on November 11, 2010 at 1:52 AM

I heard one of the pundits on tv say that the top 3 dems are collectively 60 years older than the top 3 Rs.

Yowza, that is an entire generation between the 3 of them on each side.

karenhasfreedom on November 11, 2010 at 3:02 AM

I mailed her a bottle of shampoo last year, but it appears she didn’t take the hint.

slickwillie2001 on November 10, 2010 at 11:33 PM

Bar of soap wouldn’t hurt, either. She always looks filthy.

OmahaConservative on November 11, 2010 at 5:00 AM

Turns out it is the Dems that are the party of old, rich folk and their leadership wants the CBC to sit in the back of the bus.

Done That on November 11, 2010 at 5:18 AM

How bout that hot slice of trim, Barbara Mikulsky?

rickyricardo on November 10, 2010 at 8:11 PM

dude, I got her calendar….*whew**/

ted c on November 10, 2010 at 8:13 PM

hahahaha, Was it printed on a bedsheet sized fold over?

OkieDoc on November 10, 2010 at 8:21 PM

You know, what the Democrats need is a Pelosi Calendar. And a Democrat-Congress Calendar. Yeah, that’d win over more votes for the Democrats and secure Pelosi as the ‘leader’. Really. Sure of it. Can’t miss.

;p

Lourdes on November 11, 2010 at 5:28 AM

How bout that hot slice of trim, Barbara Mikulsky?

rickyricardo on November 10, 2010 at 8:11 PM

dude, I got her calendar….*whew**/

ted c on November 10, 2010 at 8:13 PM

hahahaha, Was it printed on a bedsheet sized fold over?

OkieDoc on November 10, 2010 at 8:21 PM

You know, what the Democrats need is a Pelosi Calendar. And a Democrat-Congress Calendar. Yeah, that’d win over more votes for the Democrats and secure Pelosi as the ‘leader’. Really. Sure of it. Can’t miss.

;p

Lourdes on November 11, 2010 at 5:28 AM

I can just see it all now: Harry Reid out in the sun, shirtless, with his pick-axe in the desert…Barney Frank hovering over a pile of cash in his latest trunks…Maxxine Waters sweating it out in a bank vault, caressing the bonds…

Lourdes on November 11, 2010 at 5:30 AM

My vote goes to Wasserman-Schultz for this position.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2010 at 8:08 PM

If it’s humanly possible, I actually loathe that horrible woman even more so than Pelosi.

mrsmwp on November 10, 2010 at 8:32 PM

I mailed her a bottle of shampoo last year, but it appears she didn’t take the hint.

slickwillie2001 on November 10, 2010 at 11:33 PM

And here all along I thought I suffered alone as to Wasserman-Schultz. I had no idea my wrenching of a reaction to her and her politics was something you all shared. Seriously, I thought I was eccentric in that regard (wrenching of a reaction to the lady).

Lourdes on November 11, 2010 at 5:32 AM

Pelosi is only what? 103 years old? She’s got plenty of time left.

I think they should have a casting call at MTV and make a reality call out of getting some younger hipper liberals to run things. They can’t do much worse that the oldies already in office.

Free Indeed on November 11, 2010 at 8:11 AM

call = show.

Free Indeed on November 11, 2010 at 8:11 AM

Dems wonder: Should we replace our wizened, widely hated leadership with younger, more appealing pols?

Could the younger be any worse? I doubt it.

Wade on November 11, 2010 at 9:03 AM

It’s sad when older people can’t figure out that it’s time to step down and let younger people have a whack at whatever. But keep on, Nancy. Keep destroying your party – it’s the patriotic thing to do.

Mommynator on November 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM

“She’s taken us this far down,” Rep. Mike Honda (D-Calif.) said.

FIFY. Bring it on, San Fran Nan!

Steve Z on November 11, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Dems wonder: Should we replace our wizened, widely hated leadership with younger, more appealing pols?

Thanks to Botox, she’s not wizened yet. Nor wiser.

Steve Z on November 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM