11/9 Truth: Mystery missile was just a plane, says Pentagon

posted at 6:41 pm on November 10, 2010 by Allahpundit

I have nothing left to say about this dopey story, but after two posts yesterday and upwards of a thousand comments, we need closure.

Let’s call this … the official version:

The Department of Defense said Wednesday that it was satisfied the event was likely caused by an airplane.

“With all the information that we have gathered over the last day and a half about this condensation trail off the coast of southern California on Monday night, both within the DoD and other U.S. government agencies, we have no information to suggest this was anything other than a contrail caused by an aircraft,” said Col. David Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman…

Lapan said the government looked at lots of data sources other than the CBS news tape. He would not get into the details of what those data sources were, but said that evidence helped determine this was most likely an aircraft. But most importantly, it was the response from all other government agencies saying they did not launch anything that convinced them this was likely an aircraft.

An intrepid blogger thinks he’s actually pinpointed which flight it was — U.S. Airways 808, en route from Honolulu to Phoenix and spotted by that Cali news copter while it was over the ocean and headed inland. Follow the link and have a peek at the screencap he grabbed last night from a webcam that looks out over the ocean. The contrail from yesterday’s Flight 808 sure does bear a striking resemblance to the “missile launch” on Monday night.

And yet, questions remain. Let’s call thisTruth:

Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.

“It’s a solid propellant missile,” he told the Times. “You can tell from the efflux [smoke].”

Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy surface ships.

Jane’s is a respected outfit as far as I know and the Times of London is of course a respected paper. There’s no reason to believe that this guy’s a crank, although he could of course simply be mistaken. Which, according to the editor of GlobalSecurity.org, he is:

John Pike, a defense and aerospace expert who runs GlobalSecurity.org: “This thing is so obviously an airplane contrail, and yet apparently all the king’s horses and all the king’s men can’t find someone to stand up and say it.” He added, “I guess the president’s out of town.”

The object, Pike said, was moving too slowly to be a missile, adding: “There’s a reason that they’re called rockets.”

Here’s an interview with a Fox News expert from this afternoon’s Studio B. Verdict: It’s a plane, dummy. Safe to put this one to bed now?



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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/10/blogger-solved-california-missile-mystery/

ok, I’m more convinced this was a plane. It was reproduced 24 hrs later and caught on a pic. This guy did it the scientific way, no caterwauling necessary, just some convincing and facts.

ted c on November 10, 2010 at 8:29 PM

at least I don’t crack the mirrors chubby boy!!

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Your mirrors don’t crack, true…they just self-disintegrate rather than reflect the semi-sentient, self-propelled turd that’s standing in front of them.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:31 PM

If it was a plane, why do radar, the airlines, the faa, and others who should know about such things, know nothing about a plane being in that area?

xblade on November 10, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Your mirrors don’t crack, true…they just self-disintegrate rather than reflect the semi-sentient, self-propelled turd that’s standing in front of them.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:31 PM

at least I can stand up without help…you’re so fat I bet you can’t even get out of the bed!! chubby boy!

put down that pizza fatso!

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Your mirrors don’t crack, true…they just self-disintegrate rather than reflect the semi-sentient, self-propelled turd that’s standing in front of them.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:31 PM

its so much fun pissing off a chubby boy like you! bet your hog jowls are quivering and your fat little face is all red…and you’re sweating like the hog you are….bet ya stink too!!

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 8:35 PM

The truth is out there…. (someone had to say it!)

It could’ve been a plane… a super secret Stargate project that was trying to get the Stargate out of the atmosphere because it was about to blow up.

cebj25 on November 10, 2010 at 8:37 PM

at least I can stand up without help…

You don’t really stand up, you have your own anti-gravity – you’re so repulsive the earth pushes away from you.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:37 PM

It could’ve been a plane… a super secret Stargate project that was trying to get the Stargate out of the atmosphere because it was about to blow up.

cebj25 on November 10, 2010 at 8:37 PM

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“Chevron one encoding!”

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:37 PM

You don’t really stand up, you have your own anti-gravity – you’re so repulsive the earth pushes away from you.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:37 PM

wow you’re really reaching there aren’t ya gomer?

although calling you gomer is an insult to gomer…

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 8:40 PM

How many hundreds of billions of dollars does the DOD and NORAD get from the taxpayer every year? This is the best they can do? “We are satisfied it a plane”?

Which plane was it then? Surely they have the technology to tell us that, right?

Unless, of course, there was no plane.

How do they get away with this? There is no way you can tell me that NORAD or DOD cannot pinpoint what was flying up there. If it was a plane……I mean.

David2.0 on November 10, 2010 at 8:44 PM

although calling you gomer is an insult to gomer…

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Gomer is like you, such an insult that comparing it to anything is moot.

Hey cebj25 – if the Stargate existed – maybe we could team up to ship rightaboutnothing off to the Goa’uld homeworld? He wouldn’t even have to worry about being taken as a host, since they could find plant life with higher IQ.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:44 PM

Gomer is like you, such an insult that comparing it to anything is moot.

Hey cebj25 – if the Stargate existed – maybe we could team up to ship rightaboutnothing off to the Goa’uld homeworld? He wouldn’t even have to worry about being taken as a host, since they could find plant life with higher IQ.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:44 PM

How about the O’ri or even the Wraith homeworld? That would probably make progressives even worse…

cebj25 on November 10, 2010 at 8:46 PM

ted c on November 10, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Only one MAJOR problem with this…
Contrails dissipate in 30… 60 seconds….

jerrytbg on November 10, 2010 at 8:49 PM

How about the O’ri or even the Wraith homeworld? That would probably make progressives even worse…

cebj25 on November 10, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Let’s see…the O’ri would likely tie themselves in knots trying to get their doctrine through his thick skull…but any Wraith who tried to drain his lifeforce would instantly become a slobbering idiot.

Tough choice!

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Gomer is like you, such an insult that comparing it to anything is moot.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:44 PM

ah well imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!!

but then when you’re sitting on your fat uh ‘brains’ we can’t expect too much…

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 8:51 PM

rightaboutnothing

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:44 PM

I sure am right about you fat boy…looks like I’m really striking a nerve!! LOL

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 8:52 PM

ah well imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!!

In that case, every special-ed class in the world is flattering you.

I sure am right about you fat boy…looks like I’m really striking a nerve!! LOL

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 8:52 PM

The only thing you can strike is at baseball. I’m laughing myself silly at the mental image of you, the bucktoothed, inbred redneck fat@$$, trying to defend your nonexistent honor over the Internet. You lost the moment you started.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 8:54 PM

The only thing you can strike is at baseball. I’m laughing myself silly at the mental image of you, the bucktoothed, inbred redneck fat@$$, trying to defend your nonexistent honor over the Internet. You lost the moment you started.

you sure have lost your cool!! looks like the TRUTH HURTS!!

my aren’t you upset?? bet your hog jowls are just quivering with rage!!! and the sweat is just pouring down those folds…

better open a window before your own stench overcomes you!

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Okay.. enriched uranium found in SD. Word was it was to be disposed of. How and where?? Total silence since it was found.

hopefloats on November 10, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Okay.. enriched uranium found in SD. Word was it was to be disposed of. How and where?? Total silence since it was found.

hopefloats on November 10, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Possibly under right4life’s log cabin, which would account for the brain damage.

In all seriousness, that’s some pretty scary stuff. Missing uranium is bad enough but missing enriched uranium is the kind of material that inspires Tom Clancy novels. The wrong person getting their hands on a batch of ‘ready-made U’ has just made a quantum leap towards a bomb.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Possibly under right4life’s log cabin, which would account for the brain damage.

looks like I’m living RENT-FREE in your mind!!! LOL

you’re just upset that I made you look so stupid…hate to tell you, but you do that to yourself with every post sweety!

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 9:06 PM

looks like I’m living RENT-FREE in your mind!!! LOL

right4life on November 10, 2010 at 9:06 PM

I never ask court jesters to pay their rent.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 9:09 PM

This flight track is exactly at the place at time.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX

firepilot on November 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Congratulations, firepilot. You beat by 20 minutes the guy Fox News is claiming found the reason: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/10/blogger-solved-california-missile-mystery/

unclesmrgol on November 10, 2010 at 9:25 PM

whoops, excuse me. You beat the guy by three hours and twenty minutes, given that 5:20PM on HotAir translates to 2:20PM on the Pacific Coast. Site linked by Fox News: http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

Tue, 2010-11-09 17:49

I wonder if I’m the first to call it, the reported unexplained missile launch off the coast of California, was US Airways 808.

I did a lot of extrapolation of what flights could be at the right position (off the coast) at the right altitude (for contrail formation) and came down to two possibilities: UPS flight 902 (UPS902) or US Airways flight 808 (AWE808).

As I was researching tonight (24 hours later), I realized that today’s AWE808 current position (at around 4:50pm) was almost the same as it was the day of the incident. I quickly pulled up a Newport Beach webcam and found tha (apparently) AWE808 was making an identical contrail, 24 hours later!

unclesmrgol on November 10, 2010 at 9:30 PM

I hate all this hysterical “wolf” crying. Now when something REALLY IMPORTANT occurs, there will be a tendency to ignore it.

MaiDee on November 10, 2010 at 9:42 PM

unclesmrgol on November 10, 2010 at 9:30 PM

I’ve seen my fair share of launches…
THAT… was a missile launch.

jerrytbg on November 10, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Hate to burst your bubble but flight 808 was moving in the wrong direction. According to that webcam image, the plane should be moving from the south to the north-west!

Dr B on November 10, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Now when something REALLY IMPORTANT occurs…

MaiDee on November 10, 2010 at 9:42 PM

This is REALLY IMPORTANT.

If it wasn’t one of ours, we are all in very deep doo-doo.

Dark-Star on November 10, 2010 at 10:06 PM

You know…

Plane or missile, the thing that bugs me the most about this is after all the Trillions spent on defense, military budgets, intelligence and political bureaucracies that we THINK are keeping us safe at night…

… All we got for the investment was

“We don’t think it was a missile, but regardless, don’t worry about it.”

Kind of reminds me of all those bureaucrats down on the Gulf Coast that were supposed to be enforcing drilling safety standards, but were found to be high and spending all of their time watching porn on their government computers…

… and they all still have their jobs.

I think if the actual word got out, how incompetent and bloated our federal, state, and local governments actually are that they would fu%k up a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, let alone protect us and defend us which they are sworn to do, that is the actual secret that they just can’t let out…

Seven Percent Solution on November 10, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Michio! I love this guy!

Jaibones on November 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM

If that’s an airplane…I’LL KISS YOUR ASS!! If the pentagon say’s they didn’t see anything, it’s because another Chinese sub popped up where they didn’t expect it… like in the middle of our carrier group…

build the wall on November 10, 2010 at 11:01 PM

I just finished talking with a career submariner who handled launches for a living. He say flat out it was not a missile launch. The signature liftoff and acceleration, along with some other signs, wasn’t there.

archer52 on November 10, 2010 at 11:12 PM

At one point you can actually see red and green lights on the plane in question.

Yakko77 on November 10, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Bush ordered the plane shot down because it was carrying BHO’s Birth Certificate.

V-rod on November 10, 2010 at 11:49 PM

Looks like swamp gas to me!

JeffVader on November 11, 2010 at 12:03 AM

The object, Pike said, was moving too slowly to be a missile, adding: “There’s a reason that they’re called rockets.”

True.
However what about that “cork-screw” section in the “contrail”?

The “cork-screwmaneuver is what a guided (not ballistic) missile does to “bleed off energy” (slow down) for target accusation and so as to not “over shoot” the target.

Could the “thing” appear to be going slow cuz it just did a “cork-screwed” maneuver to slow down?

DSchoen on November 11, 2010 at 4:27 AM

archer52 on November 10, 2010 at 11:12 PM

And how many missile launches has this bubble head seen after the missile broke through the water
Light off and on it’s merry way?

Considering Subs launch missile when they are under water.

DSchoen on November 11, 2010 at 4:34 AM

It is easy to tell if it was something out of the ordinary…if it was something unusual there would be ominous music as the doctor was explaining.

right2bright on November 11, 2010 at 7:24 AM

build the wall on November 10, 2010 at 11:01 PM

Pucker up sucker…

right2bright on November 11, 2010 at 7:25 AM

I’m not buying any of the spin on this. I don’t know what that thing was, but I’m not buying the governments explanation of this either. Limbaugh stated that thing was a missile of some kind, launched from a position some 35 miles out to sea. I don’t think Limbaugh would make such a statement on air if he didn’t have some knowledge on this. The problem I have is an absolute “no faith” gut feeling about our government. These people lie to us every time they open their mouths and we’re supposed to believe them now. I have a really bad gut feeling about this.

Keemo on November 11, 2010 at 7:54 AM

Dude, people, it’s an airplane. I’ve seen this same exact thing in the sky over Milwaukee 15 years ago (I’m pretty sure there’s no secret missile site just west of downtown).

My out-of-his-mind friend on mushrooms have more sense then half the people in here.

Tom_Shipley on November 11, 2010 at 8:07 AM

I have followed the work of Dr. Kaku and used his work to validate my Doctoral work. Analyzing Dr. Kaku’s and having a career of 30 plus years in aviation, I agree with his conclusions.

Also looking at the end of the the contrails you will see that the ehaust gases are dispursing in a typical tour engine aircraft. The density of the exhaust gases closer to the emmision source are cause by the very dense mass of moist air that make the condesensation appear to be generated from a single source as seen in rocket/missle plumes.

MSGTAS on November 11, 2010 at 9:04 AM

There’s a lot of this going around these days, huh?

Akzed on November 11, 2010 at 9:17 AM

OK, someone who is smarter than me help me out here,

I wasn’t there to view it live, so I can’t really comment on what it looked like. But I do have a few questions:

Isn’t there radar covering this area? Also, isn’t the radar record from air traffic controllers recorded just in case there is an accident? Shouldn’t the FAA be able to identify said aircraft, whether commercial, military or private, find it’s flight plan, let us know were it took off from and where it landed?

Just like Barry’s birth certificate, The information is out there. Why not release it??

gstrickler on November 11, 2010 at 12:59 PM

OK, someone who is smarter than me help me out here,

I wasn’t there to view it live, so I can’t really comment on what it looked like. But I do have a few questions:

Isn’t there radar covering this area? Also, isn’t the radar record from air traffic controllers recorded just in case there is an accident? Shouldn’t the FAA be able to identify said aircraft, whether commercial, military or private, find it’s flight plan, let us know were it took off from and where it landed?

Just like Barry’s birth certificate, The information is out there. Why not release it??

gstrickler

It has been identified and posted several times in here. US Air 808, HNL to PHX

firepilot on November 11, 2010 at 1:08 PM

If that’s an airplane…I’LL KISS YOUR ASS!! If the pentagon say’s they didn’t see anything, it’s because another Chinese sub popped up where they didn’t expect it… like in the middle of our carrier group…

build the wall

What, do the Chi Coms have some super secret stealth submarine that goes into a Navy test firing range, secretly launches a missile that can be watched for 10 minutes, doesnt leave a noctilucent cloud at sunset, and does not leave any signature for space radars and thermal imaging satellites?

Sorry, Occams Razor points to an airplane

firepilot on November 11, 2010 at 1:11 PM

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