Jim DeMint: “You can’t be a fiscal conservative and not be a social conservative”

posted at 9:21 pm on November 9, 2010 by Allahpundit

That’s the money line from tonight’s Fox News “12 in ’12″ presidential profile; skip ahead to 3:00 if you don’t want to watch it all. He made this same point, albeit in a more elaborate way, at the Values Voter Summit in September. Let me gently suggest that this bumper-sticker version is doing him no favors, since it can’t help but alienate every last libertarian who sees it. His idea, as explained in greater detail at the VVS, is that God and government are forever jockeying for position as moral beacons in the public’s imagination. The bigger government gets, the smaller God gets, and vice versa, so if you’re eager to shrink state bureaucracy and promote self-reliance, expect people to react by looking elsewhere for moral guidance — like, say, back to traditional Judeo-Christian values. Thus are all fiscal cons also social cons, whether wittingly or not. And in fairness, that idea isn’t completely out of left field: There is indeed a relationship between God and government in the average person’s mind, although the touchstone is security, not morality. The less stable a government is, apparently, the more one turns to faith for reassurance that everything will be okay. The universe requires order and one or the other will provide it psychologically. (The U.S. is a notable exception to the either/or rule.) Which makes me wonder, how many fiscal cons support shrinking government because it means greater freedom for its own sake and how many support it simply as a means of moving people over to a different security blanket that they prefer?

Originally, I thought this message was just something DeMint was pitching at Christian conservatives to convince them that the tea party’s libertarianism is overblown, that they’re still a cherished constituency despite the reordering of conservative priorities to favor spending over “values.” But now I think he means it, which makes me wonder. For instance, last I checked, Glenn Beck’s a fiscal conservative (and notably a fan of the idea of Americans turning back to God) but also … fine with gay marriage. DeMint himself, however, is not: He told Al Hunt last year that neither the feds nor state governments should have the power to legalize same-sex unions. Per his God/government dynamic, I would think he’d support getting government out of the marriage business altogether and trusting in Judeo-Christian morals to handle this problem, but he still supports state recognition of traditional marriage as far as I can tell. Likewise with his comments about how gays and unwed mothers don’t belong in the classroom. Said GOProud’s founder Chris Barron of that, “The idea that someone who says they believe in limited government would support the government weeding out gay teachers and unmarried sexually active female teachers simply defies logic.” So maybe our error here is in assuming that when DeMint says “fiscal conservatism,” he means it as a byword for “less government” universally. Maybe government that works to reinforce Judeo-Christian values is fine. I guess, like Mitch McConnell, we all have our exceptions to the master plan.



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Let me tell you, I’d never hire someone with your negative, humorless, defeatist attitude….
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Jeez. Guess I won’t send you my résumé.

But you’re missing the point I’m trying to make (unsuccessfully of course). I’m perfectly willing to laugh at Obama, but I voted for the other guys (and gal).

My sense of humor (or lack thereof) is not the issue. The issue is Alinsky tactics against people that are not ashamed of what we consider “bad” behavior. The leftists are proud of the IRS targeting Tea Party groups. They are proud of Candy Crawley lying during a debate for Obama. They love this stuff.

Instead of attacking me personally, why not actually show me a demonstration of Alinsky tactics being sucessfully used against leftists. Or if there are no real world examples, how about a hypothetical.

happytobehere on May 20, 2013 at 5:27 PM

While you douche-bags are covering politics…people and children in a flattened school are dead from the most destructive tornado in recent history.
stingray9813 on May 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

What a moronic comment and commenter!

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 5:28 PM

While you douche-bags are covering politics…people and children in a flattened school are dead from the most destructive tornado in recent history.
stingray9813 on May 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

You are a vulture, a ghoul, trying to use the deaths of children to divert attention from Obama’s crimes, which include the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of Mexican civilians, including children, from all the ObamaGuns from Obama’s Gun Running Merchant of Death Program, his Rolling 9/11 against Mexico.

VorDaj on May 20, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Classic case of projection.

GWB on May 20, 2013 at 5:15 PM

stingray is desperately trying to practice the politics of distraction because it worked in the past. Let him think it still works while this administration takes a pounding and the left turns on itself before our eyes.

Daemonocracy on May 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM

stingray9813 on May 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

You sound like a scared Obamaton.

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM

stingray9813 on May 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

carrion-consuming azzhole

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 5:31 PM

It appears the prosecutors’ statements about Rosen having potentially committed a crime were aimed at allowing them to proceed through use of a search warrant rather than a grand jury subpoena or other means.

It appears that a judge bought this lie without a shred of evidence.

Unless this judge puts the liar(s) in jail for a good long period under a contempt charge Congress should defund that court.

RJL on May 20, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Thanks for being me to me. I’m the one who consistently makes that point, perhaps the only one until you.

Next time try to tell me something I haven’t already said over and over.

Capitalist Hog on May 20, 2013 at 4:10 PM

I don’t think you’re making a point. I think you’re imaging demons where there are none. Being critical of the MSM is not equal to wishing the MSM’s rights were violated or restricted. Being critical is just another part of the 1st Amendment.

NotCoach on May 20, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Federal judge finds probable cause Fox News reporter helped leak classified docs

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/20/federal-judge-finds-probable-cause-fox-news-reporter-helped-leak-classified-docs/‘

stingray9813 on May 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

You should learn to read. The ‘crime’ that Rosen supposedly committed is soliciting classified information from Kim. In other words, the judge found probable cause that something that isn’t a crime, happened.

rightmind on May 20, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Spock, I’ve found that evil usually triumphs – unless good is very, very careful.”

GWB on May 20, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Yeap that’s why the world today is ruled by total evil. That’s why the Nazi’s are moving into LA and the communists are taking options on a nice Tampa location. Evil is always destroyed because it destroys itself. It is the nature of evil to eat its own. Even now you can see it occurring in the WH. The press sec is trying to tell people the POTUS knew nothing about it but the consul and tresury did and didn’t tell him. How long do you think it will take for those “fall guys” to give the POTUS up? Sooner or later one of them turns and gives the information to deepthroat. Evil looks out for itself and by doing so it losses in the end. They turn on each other. It always happens. Why? who knows. it may survive for a time when the good do nothing but once good starts to fight evil it ends. Look at any evil regime or evil human activity. Slavary, facism, communism, fuedalism they all destoryed themselves. Sure some lasted for a while others lasted for a blip of time. But in the end they lose. The more good people fights the evil the quicker it ends.

This isn’t sci-fi this is human history. This is the way the world works.

unseen on May 20, 2013 at 5:46 PM

That’s why the Nazi’s are moving into LA and the communists are taking options on a nice Tampa location.

Wait… Are you suggesting they aren’t?

Sure. Different people, but the same ideology IS / has.

Just stealthily, not by the force of arms.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Speaking for yourself.

VegasRick on May 20, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Yep, me and any moron stupid enough to reply.

Capitalist Hog on May 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Why weeks to find this out?

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 6:42 PM

My wife did some e-mail with Rosen, then noticed that get LinkedIn was visited by DHS

J_Crater on May 20, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Jeez. Guess I won’t send you my résumé.

But you’re missing the point I’m trying to make (unsuccessfully of course). I’m perfectly willing to laugh at Obama, but I voted for the other guys (and gal).

My sense of humor (or lack thereof) is not the issue. The issue is Alinsky tactics against people that are not ashamed of what we consider “bad” behavior. The leftists are proud of the IRS targeting Tea Party groups. They are proud of Candy Crawley lying during a debate for Obama. They love this stuff.

Instead of attacking me personally, why not actually show me a demonstration of Alinsky tactics being sucessfully used against leftists. Or if there are no real world examples, how about a hypothetical.

happytobehere on May 20, 2013 at 5:27 PM

I am going to address this in a way you probably won’t like, but that’s not my concern here.

You are a person who suffers from “‘Why?‘ Well, because I say so!” What good advice could someone like you give to a person who’s forced to deal with abusive addicts in denial? Personally, I don’t believe you’d have a clue about such a situation…I think you have a snarky, negative, hopeless & joyless attitude which does not lend itself to creativity nor problem-solving, and I believe that until you can figure out on your own why Alinsky believed in the truth of his Rule #5, there is no common ground between us for discussion on how to best counter leftards.

PS I want give you credit for something – I don’t believe you are a jerk! :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Can’t say I disagree with anything you wrote. I’m quite joyless about this stuff, I admit. I doubt I’ll be too in your way as you joyfully knock down the Dems and take back the country.

I do understand the concept of “projection”. I do understand that Alinsky probably hated being mocked or whatever. I’m sure that is why he utilized this tactic. What I’m trying to say, and if you have an example of this please provide it, is that I have no knowledge of an actual demonstration of mockery working against the immoral Left. If someone is utterly without scruples how do mock them successfully? It’s easy for a community organizer to ridicule a well meaning local business etc. because the business actually means well! They don’t want to be thought of as horrible people. I think the Left likes to be thought of as horrible, I don’t think it dissuades them, quite the contrary.

But I do actually appreciate the continuous criticism of me personally. I would rather be upbeat about our future as a nation. That’s why I ask about this stuff. Probably a better way to help me be more upbeat is to cite some examples of Alinsky 5 working against the left.

happytobehere on May 20, 2013 at 8:39 PM

“Holder knows where the proverbial bodies are buried…”
He knows where the real bodies are buried, too.

lobo603 on May 20, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Capitalist Hog on May 20, 2013 at 4:48 PM

So basically, you just come here to treat people in a manner you don’t have the nerve to display in person? And thanks for pointing out the anonymity. Who knew?

Cindy Munford on May 20, 2013 at 9:53 PM

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