GOP wooing Manchin into party switch?

posted at 2:55 pm on November 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Most people only expected hardball efforts to get party switchers in the Senate if it wound up closely divided, either 50-50 or 51/49 in either direction.  However, Fox reports today that Senate Republicans have greeted special-election victor Joe Manchin (D-WV) with a big push to get him into the GOP caucus.  And they may well have found a way to convince him to join the minority:

Republicans are making some big promises to try to lure West Virginia Senator-elect Joe Manchin to cross the aisle.

Aside from his pick of committee assignments (likely the Energy and Natural Resources Committee), Manchin might get support for one of his pet projects – a plant to convert coal to diesel fuel that has stalled under Democratic leadership in Washington.

It’s one of Manchin’s pet projects and could mean big money for the state’s coal producers.

“Republicans believe in an ‘all of the above’ approach to energy,” one top Senate aide told Power Play. “And coal-to-diesel could certainly be part of that.”

Manchin’s switch could mean Republican support for not just $1 billion in seed money for the project but also a deal, much sought in coal country, to require the armed forces to use converted coal for fuel.

Republicans believe Manchin is particularly susceptible to the overture because he is up for reelection in 2012 and will have to be on the ticket with President Obama, who is direly unpopular in West Virginia. Democrat Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Independent Joe Lieberman are the other two prime targets of Republican advances.

The response from Manchin’s team won’t make Democrats feel very secure.  Essentially, they don’t commit to much of anything except “to try in good faith to make changes” to the Democratic Party from within, since they just got him elected to fill Robert Byrd’s remaining term.   The message is that either Democrats have to change direction in the Senate or Manchin might take some of this wooing seriously.

Will he jump?  If he did and Nelson comes with him to protect his own prospects in 2012 — which were seriously damaged by his acquiescence on ObamaCare — then that would leave Republicans with only 49 seats.   They would need to get someone else to jump, like perhaps Mark Pryor, who watched his colleague Blanche Lincoln get slaughtered in the midterms last week, to get to 50.  Fox focuses on Joe Lieberman, but he has less reason to switch now than before.  Not only is the Iraq War no longer a big concern, but Lieberman just watched a self-funding Republican in Connecticut lose big to a Democratic establishment candidate in the middle of a Republican teanami.   Lieberman wouldn’t stand a chance of getting re-elected as a Republican in 2012, nor is he a fan of Tea Party political positions anyway.

Even getting to 50 won’t mean control of the agenda.  Joe Biden will cast the deciding vote on leadership positions, which means Harry Reid will still control the Senate, although committee assignments will become more equitable, according to tradition.  Manchin will have to spend two years in the minority and then hope his personal approval ratings remain high enough to prevail against another Democrat in 2012.

Manchin’s team promises to consider the options if Democrats refuse to change directions.  I’ll go out on a limb and guess that Manchin will give them about 18 months to prove themselves one way or another, and then align himself with the party that promises him the brightest future when the 2012 election nears.


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Manchin will have to spend two years in the minority and then hope his personal approval ratings remain high enough to prevail against another Democrat in 2012.

His ratings will remain high if he votes with the GOP, whether he formally switches parties or not. Hopefully Manchin will be a Zell Miller Democrat these next 2 years(and beyond).

Doughboy on November 8, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Manchin’s switch could mean Republican support for not just $1 billion in seed money for the project but also a deal, much sought in coal country, to require the armed forces to use converted coal for fuel.

*facepalm*

Count to 10 on November 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Unless they’re diehard communists … all democrats should switch.

darwin on November 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

although committee assignments will become more equitable, according to tradition.

Oh yeah, and we’ve seen how much the Democrats are down with “tradition”.

The Mega Independent on November 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Healthcare bill and the haunted Manchin?

As with all democrats who voted in support, and will vote for or against healthcare funding, hopefully each month, get them on record for the 2012 election.

dthorny on November 8, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Republicans are making some big promises to try to lure West Virginia Senator-elect Joe Manchin to cross the aisle.

I don’t trust people who do this. If they can’t be trusted by their own, then what makes them think he can be trusted by us?

Aside from his pick of committee assignments (likely the Energy and Natural Resources Committee), Manchin might get support for one of his pet projects – a plant to convert coal to diesel fuel that has stalled under Democratic leadership in Washington.

This sounds like a good idea regardless of his party membership.

but also a deal, much sought in coal country, to require the armed forces to use converted coal for fuel.

No, this is a bad idea. If it has to be forced on them then the question is why? They have enough on their plate without more silly rules being added.

sharrukin on November 8, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Don’t.

FloatingRock on November 8, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Hmmmm interesting, but it will only be really good news if we could get two others to switch to be the majority…

Cookies Mom on November 8, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Ugh, I hate when they do this.

He ran as a Democrat and unless he told the voters that he’d caucus with the Republicans this is unacceptable.

SteveMG on November 8, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Ugh. Well a conservative GOP resurgence was nice while it lasted….a whole 6 days. A new record I believe.

angryed on November 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Democrat Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Independent Joe Lieberman are the other two prime targets of Republican advances.

“Now you can become a RINO overnight!”

Akzed on November 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM

I would rather see him hang himself around Obama’s neck and we get a REAL conservative voted in that seat in 2012. All Manchin has to do is vote the party line on a few major votes and he is done. His popularity will be zero.

karenhasfreedom on November 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Unless they’re diehard communists … all democrats should switch.

darwin on November 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

I’d much rather just defeat them in 2012 and 2014. I don’t think Claire McCaskill or Ben Nelson are communists. But they deserve to get run for the horrible votes they’ve cast over the last few years.

Doughboy on November 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM

*facepalm*

Count to 10 on November 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

I’m with you. Can’t the armed forces just use the best fuel for the job? At least it is not corn.

WashJeff on November 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM

I don’t think Claire McCaskill or Ben Nelson are communists. But they deserve to get run for the horrible votes they’ve cast over the last few years.

Doughboy on November 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Anyone who voted for Obamacare is a communist by definition. Or do you not believe nationalizing 15% of the economy can be defined as communist?

angryed on November 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM

So, the GOP is now for “earmarks” and “pork projects”?

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Uh hoh please…..a Democrat who will do something to help Republicans…..?
How many times do they think we will fall that tired old gag ?
Ben Nelson.
Mary Landrieu.
Bart Stupak.
Joe Lieberman.
Blue dog Dems.

Oh come on. You would have to be a sucker to fall for that.
There is not anything the Republicans can offer that the Democrats cannot top.

NeoKong on November 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Unless they’re diehard communists … all democrats should switch.

darwin on November 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

We will see. If there turns out to be massive fraud with the stimulus money there may be many who come out publically against the D. party.

Maybe there isn’t fraud… but where is all that money that was “paid back” etc. There were payoffs in that bill… they need exposed.

petunia on November 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM

As long as we can count on his vote, then he can stay a DEM.

Oink on November 8, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Better yet, have Manchin and people like him take over the Democrat party. The more that party moves to the right, the more the GOP can move to the right.

WashJeff on November 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM

So, the GOP is now for “earmarks” and “pork projects”?

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM

The GOP is for a sensible energy policy, rather than demagoguing all things petroleum or coal.

The GOP is for moving into a real future of energy independence rather than trying to start a false market of carbon credits to make greedy fake environmentalist rich!

petunia on November 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM

He basically ran as a conservative Republican, so it does make sense. But I don’t see it happening, at least not right now. And I’m not fond of the Senate GOP trying to bribe him with pork. Sort of throws water on the whole concern about spending thing…

changer1701 on November 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM

As long as we can count on his vote, then he can stay a DEM.

Oink on November 8, 2010 at 3:09 PM

I wouldn’t thumb my nose at a Dem willing to switch parties. No it won’t give us control of the Senate unless it creates a domino effect with other scared incumbents, but it would be silly to say that one additional Republican in the Senate is superfluous.

Doughboy on November 8, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Prediction: In 1-2 days, Manchin’s team will come out with a clarifying statement that states something to the effect of, “under no circumstances is Manchin considering or will consider switching parties, blah blah blah.” This is much ado about nothing. Regardless of what the republicans are ‘promising’ him, the Dems are still leading in the senate, and are in a better position to incentivize Manchin’s remaining in the fold.

bilups on November 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM

The GOP is for a sensible energy policy, rather than demagoguing all things petroleum or coal.

The GOP is for moving into a real future of energy independence rather than trying to start a false market of carbon credits to make greedy fake environmentalist rich!

petunia on November 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM

How is it a sensible energy policy to require the armed forces to use converted coal for fuel, rather than the fuel with the best value?

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM

So, he becomes senator, but who becomes gov in his place. How does that work in WV. Do they hold a special election?

ConservativePartyNow on November 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Meanwhile, in Illinois, democrats are delaying newly elected GOP senator Mark Kirk from being seated.

Kini on November 8, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Even getting to 50 won’t mean control of the agenda. Joe Biden will cast the deciding vote on leadership positions, which means Harry Reid will still control the Senate, although committee assignments will become more equitable, according to tradition. Manchin will have to spend two years in the minority and then hope his personal approval ratings remain high enough to prevail against another Democrat in 2012.

Even getting to 50 doesn’t mean that the GOP can count on Murkowski. It sure does seem to look like she’ll be the winner in Alaska.

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Not interested in “baiting” him with pork, personally. If he sees the handwriting on the wall, and wants to switch, he’s responsible for that choice and its aftermath.

The voters picked him, as a Dem, and should get what they voted for.

As to the project…

All of the above energy makes sense. However, “requiring” the military to provide a guaranteed market is unwise IMO. Let the market work. Offer tax incentives, subsidies etc. only when needed to “jump-start” viable options.

And no, we don’t need him to become #47 or whatever.

Just my $.02.

cs89 on November 8, 2010 at 3:15 PM

This is much ado about nothing. Regardless of what the republicans are ‘promising’ him, the Dems are still leading in the senate, and are in a better position to incentivize Manchin’s remaining in the fold.

bilups on November 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Manchin’s not a dumb guy. He can probably win reelection in 2012 regardless of his party affiliation as long as he votes conservative. But he’s gotta know that the GOP will retake the Senate come 2012. And they may be a lot less charitable in 2 years if that’s when he suddenly decides to switch teams. If he wants to cash in on stabbing the Dems in the back, the time is now.

Doughboy on November 8, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Manchin’s switch could mean Republican support for not just $1 billion in seed money for the project but also a deal, much sought in coal country, to require the armed forces to use converted coal for fuel.

That’s exactly the kind of crap of why we lost on 2006 and 2008.

pedestrian on November 8, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Even getting to 50 doesn’t mean that the GOP can count on Murkowski. It sure does seem to look like she’ll be the winner in Alaska.

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Let her go with the democrats. There are a lot of democrat seats open in 2012. If she plays her hand wrong she’ll be locked out of pork for a long, long time.

darwin on November 8, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Too Soon…give the idea time..

JIMV on November 8, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Meanwhile, in Illinois, democrats are delaying newly elected GOP senator Mark Kirk from being seated.

Kini on November 8, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Surely you are not shocked by this news?

WashJeff on November 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM

Democrats will buckle, he will get his plant.

How is it a sensible energy policy to require the armed forces to use converted coal for fuel, rather than the fuel with the best value?

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Well, because the dems are blocking all efforts for oil expansion, all reasonable efforts. Coal is one of the resources still allowed to be mined, even though Obama promised to shut down all of the coal industry.
Obama efforts to force us to become more dependent on foreign energy, is being thwarted by even his fellow democrats.
The best price, sometime carry a higher price tag later…when the plant is in production, you will see oil drop in price, the heavily inflated oil price.
Any normal, average, intelligent leader, in Obama’s position, would start a full court press to make us oil, and energy independent…but Obama is not normal, average, or very intelligent, and by his own admission last night, not a very effective leader.

right2bright on November 8, 2010 at 3:23 PM

How is it a sensible energy policy to require the armed forces to use converted coal for fuel, rather than the fuel with the best value?

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM

I dunno. Ask Obama.

lorien1973 on November 8, 2010 at 3:23 PM

I think it is great. Now Manchin has been asked VERY nicely to join the Conservative agenda.

Now, every time he votes on cloture on the MANY things he ran against, the RSCC needs to run an add about his “Lies to Get Elected.”

He votes to block changes to ObamaCare.
He votes to limit the EPA on CO2.
He votes not to block the tax increases.

There are several “Conservative” Dem Senators up for re-election in 2012. The RSCC needs to begin their campaigns today.

barnone on November 8, 2010 at 3:25 PM

If Manchin plays that game and waits until almost 2012 to be wooed in order to take advantage of a Democrat majority now, and a possible/probable Republican majority after the next election, screw ‘em. That is exactly what we dont want, another political opportunist who would probably become a RINO anyway.

If Republicans really think he is a good fit for the party, and after seeing his commercials he might be, they should make a hard run at him now and if he says no, take any incentives off the table. If he decides later to change parties on his own, swell, but Republicans shouldnt become a chip to be played against Democrats for Manchin’s personal ends.

Once he caves and makes his first far left vote for a Reid cause, his conservative Dem street cred disappears anyway and he can be beaten in 2012. Shooting the cap and trade bill isnt as impressive once you have voted for it.

alecj on November 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM

The idea is planted. He will switch… in time. For now, he owes his Democratic base and donors to make a good faith effort.

swamp_yankee on November 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM

OT but related…why isn’t this getting any ink?

Public carbon trading dead in the USA
(Free Republic)

Gore’s grand experiment has flatlined.

As we reported almost two weeks ago, the Gore and Pachauri advised Chicago Carbon Exchange (CCX) has closed. Closing price? A nickel per ton of CO2.

http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/

ornery_independent on November 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Unless they’re diehard communists … all democrats should switch.

darwin on November 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

You’d like a bunch of RINOs?

DarkCurrent on November 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Manchin’s switch could mean Republican support for not just $1 billion in seed money for the project but also a deal, much sought in coal country, to require the armed forces to use converted coal for fuel.

*facepalm*

Count to 10 on November 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

“Sorry boys. You’ll just have to get out o’ that tank and push it. All we’ve got is regular diesel.

“Now, you fly-boys… tell me again what kind of fuel you think you’re going to put in that jet?”

Didn’t we just vote to GET AWAY from this kind of crap?!?

RegularJoe on November 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM

There’s not much point trying to pull him over now; in two years the GOP will take over the senate regardless. Worse is the image of offering him pork to switch.

Vashta.Nerada on November 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM

But he’s gotta know that the GOP will retake the Senate come 2012. And they may be a lot less charitable in 2 years if that’s when he suddenly decides to switch teams. If he wants to cash in on stabbing the Dems in the back, the time is now.

Doughboy on November 8, 2010 at 3:17 PM

I wouldn’t put my life savings on that bet. It all depends on what the GOP does in the House in the next two years. If the GOP screws that up, all bets are off for the Senate in 2012.

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM

The only “incentive” they should offer is a chance to caucus with people who share his (ostensible) conservative values — a chance to help more meaningfully put a bullet in cap & trade. If he’s not interested in that, is he really conservative, as he billed himself to be?

If not, then the best good we can get from him is to demonstrate that Dems who SAY they are conservative aren’t necessarily telling the truth.

RegularJoe on November 8, 2010 at 3:31 PM

You’d like a bunch of RINOs?

DarkCurrent on November 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM

They wouldn’t be RINO’s if they refuted the dem platform … which is essentially the same platform as the Communist Party USA.

darwin on November 8, 2010 at 3:31 PM

I wouldn’t put my life savings on that bet. …

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM

No worries…QE2 is making sure that my life’s savings are worth much in the future.

WashJeff on November 8, 2010 at 3:33 PM

It might not make a big difference now, but everyone who switches now is one less that has to be defeated next election. And I am sure both parties know that.

Terrye on November 8, 2010 at 3:34 PM

*Facepalm*
*Bangs head on table slow..ly..*
Why do I get the feeling that the GOP has a long way to go before they recapture the Senate? There are way too many RINOs/career politicians in the GOP Senate leadership and until they are forcefully retired, I fear for the GOP and the nation’s future.

Instead of going to bat for Angle, Buck, Joe Miller, etc, they squandered those easy pickups simply because those candidates were not their preferred picks and would likely not play ball in DC. So now, in line with their quest for self-serving power, they’ve gone fishing for Dems (guess that will swell the RINO ranks) while offering all sorts of backroom deals reminiscent of the Dems’ deals for Obamacare.

TheRightMan on November 8, 2010 at 3:37 PM

I wouldn’t put my life savings on that bet. It all depends on what the GOP does in the House in the next two years. If the GOP screws that up, all bets are off for the Senate in 2012.

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Assuming no one turncoats for either party right now, the GOP has 47 seats. You’re telling me in 2012, they can’t knock off at least 4 of the following: either Nelson, Pryor, McCaskill, Tester, Brown, Casey, Webb? Hell, they have a good shot at taking out almost all of them.

Doughboy on November 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Repubs could do a lot worse. He’s as popular as ice cream and WV is a pretty level-headed if not totally conservative state.

If he would come over, we should welcome him in.

Mr. Grump on November 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM

I’m with you. Can’t the armed forces just use the best fuel for the job? At least it is not corn.

WashJeff on November 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM

It’s not corn, but the other big push is algae.

strictnein on November 8, 2010 at 3:41 PM

They wouldn’t be RINO’s if they refuted the dem platform … which is essentially the same platform as the Communist Party USA.

darwin on November 8, 2010 at 3:31 PM

So ‘true conservative’ Republicans now are anything to the right of a Communist?

Where was this concept in the O’Donnell vs. Castle debate?

DarkCurrent on November 8, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Democrat Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Independent Joe Lieberman are the other two prime targets of Republican advances.

Leave Judas Nelson right where he is and let Jon Bruning serve him up some whoop-ass in 2012.

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Joe Manchin is a known liar. He lied to get elected. He was all set to adopt Obamacare into WV. In WV they already have a form of Cap and Trade. Unions reign supreme in southern WV. He ran as a Reagan Conservative because he was down in the polls. Would you trust this man?

BetseyRoss on November 8, 2010 at 3:46 PM

If he wants to cash in on stabbing the Dems in the back, the time is now.

Doughboy on November 8, 2010 at 3:17 PM

He shouldn’t get any cash in either circumstance. No deals, IMO. I’d just assume he not switch and suffer the consequences in ’12 than to give him a penny he doesn’t deserve.

FloatingRock on November 8, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Dance with who brung ya.

Phil Gramm was a Democrat and when it was obvious he didn’t fit there anymore, he resigned and ran as a Republican.

Asher on November 8, 2010 at 3:48 PM

This is a horrible idea. We already have one grossly harmful and uneconomic “alternative fuel” program called ethanol. We don’t need anything else like this. Idiots like Cornyn and McConnell seem to prefer “moderates” or rinos like Specter and Crist to the real thing like Toomey and Rubio. What about trying to get behind a real conservative like Raese for 2012? Manchin is a finger in the wind politician who is just using this Republican offer to leverage more pork from dems for West Virginia. He is a worthy successor to his hero, Bobby Byrd.

chris999 on November 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Assuming no one turncoats for either party right now, the GOP has 47 seats. You’re telling me in 2012, they can’t knock off at least 4 of the following: either Nelson, Pryor, McCaskill, Tester, Brown, Casey, Webb? Hell, they have a good shot at taking out almost all of them.

Doughboy on November 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM

I wouldn’t share your euphoria just yet. Two years ago, most political “experts” were actually expecting the GOP to lose seats this cycle. The RINOs had all folded and were singing Obama’s praises. Thanks to the few (tea partiers) that refused to drink the Kool Aid, there was a massive uprising and you know the rest.

Rubio summed it best when he said the GOP has been given a second chance. If they mess up, you can trust Obama and the Dems will win by comfortable margins in 2012.

TheRightMan on November 8, 2010 at 3:51 PM

Joe Manchin is a known liar. He lied to get elected. He was all set to adopt Obamacare into WV. In WV they already have a form of Cap and Trade. Unions reign supreme in southern WV. He ran as a Reagan Conservative because he was down in the polls. Would you trust this man?

BetseyRoss on November 8, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Exactly. He’d be a very unprincipled Republican. He’d vote for those things that favored him, and everything else he’d vote with the Dems anyway. Same with Nelson.

If Nelson had felt his principles, and morals were being compromised over Obama care, he’d have said HE!! no, and switched last year. He didn’t. He went ahead and voted with the Dems, and got a sweet deal for his state.

If they aren’t Republicans or conservatives at heart, they’ll just end up being RINOS. Do we really, really want that?

capejasmine on November 8, 2010 at 3:55 PM

They should. He’s way more conservative than Castle from Delaware. (Ducks)

While we’re at it, talk to Heath Shuler from NC too. The only non-Conservative stance I’ve heard from him was the wacky cap and trade crap.

hawkdriver on November 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM

this guy is walking a tightrope. He doesn’t want the Dems, and he can’t have the Repubs (unless he wants to)…

decisions decisions Joe…

ted c on November 8, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Once he caves and makes his first far left vote for a Reid cause, his conservative Dem street cred disappears anyway and he can be beaten in 2012. Shooting the cap and trade bill isnt as impressive once you have voted for it.

alecj on November 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM

..we woo too many of these guys into the [R] column and we now own 2/3rds of the government and 2/3s of the blame. We may not have what we want right now with the majority in the house, but we have what we need.

The War Planner on November 8, 2010 at 3:57 PM

They should, he’s more Conservative than Castle from Delaware. (Ducks)

And while they’re at it, talk to Heath Shuiler from NC too. The only non-Conservative stance I’ve heard from him was Cap and Trade. Other than that, he’s a solid Conservative.

hawkdriver on November 8, 2010 at 3:59 PM

hawkdriver on November 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Are you back home, yet?

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Anyone who voted for Obamacare should have to face the voters for their decision, not get Republican protection. As for Manchin, the last thing we need is another RINO. Let’s watch what he does for the next 2 years and then let him run on his record in 2012. If he lets Obama and Reid nose-lead him, he’ll be toast.

hachiban on November 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Shuler

hawkdriver on November 8, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Are you back home, yet?

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2010 at 3:59 PM

WOW!!! Where in the name of ALGORE have you been?

Yes, I’ve been back home better than half a year now. I’m on transition leave and actually working my new job (Academics, Simulation and soon to be flight line instructor again) while I’m still getting full military pay. (Great deal for us if it passes an ethics review, I did) This is my last month though. 1 Dec, I’m a civilian.

Now, where have you been all these months?

hawkdriver on November 8, 2010 at 4:07 PM

Democrat Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Independent Joe Lieberman are the other two prime targets of Republican advances.

Ben Nelson (NE) is toxic. His political life will be over in 2013 due to the Husker kickback. Nebraskans don’t easily forget.

jbh45 on November 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM

hawkdriver on November 8, 2010 at 4:07 PM

That is great news, buddy. Hope everything goes real good for you. I have kept you guys in my prayers during my absence. See this thread for explanation..

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Assuming no one turncoats for either party right now, the GOP has 47 seats. You’re telling me in 2012, they can’t knock off at least 4 of the following: either Nelson, Pryor, McCaskill, Tester, Brown, Casey, Webb? Hell, they have a good shot at taking out almost all of them.

Doughboy on November 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM

I would say Nelson and McCaskill are good shots for a GOP pickup. But I think the rest—including Brown–depend on what the GOP does in the next two years.

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 4:15 PM

jbh45 on November 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM

You bet we don’t easily forget. Especially when we are suddenly thrust into the national spotlight in such an unfavorable light by our Senator. We are still mad as hell about it.

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2010 at 4:15 PM

This article just makes me sick… This is just more of the same ol’ politics being played. “Hey, come across the aisle and we’ll give you 1 billion dollars for your project.” I mean, really, how is that any different from when the Democrats were essentially buying votes for ObamaCare by promising earmarks and pork-barrel spending for various states?

Why not look at the project and determine whether it’s a good one and, if so, give the 1 billion dollars regardless of the sponsor’s political affiliation.

acrolite on November 8, 2010 at 4:16 PM

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Okay, got it. And yes you were really missed.

hawkdriver on November 8, 2010 at 4:16 PM

hawkdriver on November 8, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Thanks, for the most part this is a really great group and I missed you guys too.

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Just let Manchin… The deal they would have to strike would be a Faustian bargain…

Khun Joe on November 8, 2010 at 4:22 PM

The only acceptable deals to entice party switching are: member does not lose seniority by switching, and perhaps a certain committee assignment. Nothing more, and certainly not support for any given project, no matter how worthy.

We end to be ending corporate subsidies, not increasing them.

Adjoran on November 8, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Phil Gramm was a Democrat and when it was obvious he didn’t fit there anymore, he resigned and ran as a Republican.

Asher

Actually it was a bit more complicated than that. He stayed around as a Dem for a while longer, because he was helping the GOP on the down low.

firepilot on November 8, 2010 at 4:47 PM

One big problem for Manchin is that if he switches to Republican, he may have to run against Capito in the Republican primary. She would probably beat him with only Republicans voting.

If he remains a Democrat, he’ll have no problem getting re-nominated, and she might not want to challenge him in a general election depending on his voting record.

I think he’ll just be a real seriosu DINO for the next two years. He’s going to have to stick to some conservative votes, and Harry isn’t going to be able to coerce him much.

forest on November 8, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Good way to get the word out about this exciting new technology. This is a worthwhile government expense as long as they stay true to science and turn this mother out.

mike_NC9 on November 8, 2010 at 5:04 PM

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Welcome back, Omaha. It’s great to see you here again. :)

capejasmine on November 8, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Well – numbers look horrible for the Dems in 2012 with 21 of them up for re-election. The only two factors in their favor: 1) the economy will likely improve some, and 2) Obama on the ticket will attract some more deadbeat Dems to set their alarms for the crack of noon and laze their way to the precincts.

I am surprised no one mentioned Webb of VA. His state is now deep red, and he better switch now.

johnboy on November 8, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Well – numbers look horrible for the Dems in 2012 with 21 of them up for re-election. The only two factors in their favor: 1) the economy will likely improve some, and 2) Obama on the ticket will attract some more deadbeat Dems to set their alarms for the crack of noon and laze their way to the precincts.

I am surprised no one mentioned Webb of VA. His state is now deep red, and he better switch now.

johnboy on November 8, 2010 at 5:43 PM

VA goes back and forth, depending on whether the voters around DC outnumber the voters outside of the DC area. One other thing that will help the Dems is that, if Obama loses and the Dems lose the Senate, the Senate, House and White House will all be in GOP hands. Unless the GOP really changes its ways, some voters will have real difficulties giving one party all the keys to the kingdom given what happened in the last twenty years.

Jimbo3 on November 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM

capejasmine on November 8, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Thanks, great to be home again.

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2010 at 5:55 PM

I would welcome him to the the party; however, I do think that if he switches the people of West Virginia should be allowed to elect him to the office as a Republican.

SC.Charlie on November 8, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Joe lies.

Philly on November 8, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Ugh, I hate when they do this.

He ran as a Democrat and unless he told the voters that he’d caucus with the Republicans this is unacceptable.

SteveMG on November 8, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Have to say I agree. We can persuade him to vote with us as much as he wants though.

scotash on November 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM