Clarity, not compromise, is what America needs

posted at 1:30 pm on November 7, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

In my earlier post, I had a little fun with the notion of a Slurpee Summit, but it does present a tough question to Republicans that will take control of the House.  Did voters give the GOP a mandate for a complete reversal of direction, or did they deliver an ultimatum to the White House to start compromising with Republicans.  Reading that mandate correctly will be the great challenge of the next few months, and for both parties, the stakes could not be higher for success and failure at reading it correctly.

Glenn Reynolds writes this weekend at the Washington Examiner that voters want clarity and decisive action on the issues that matter most to them — skyrocketing unemployment and national debt:

With the election over, Republicans are arguing about whether they should address Democrats via compromise, or confrontation. Both have their places, but I have a different suggestion.

Clarity.

With the deficit and the debt ballooning, with the economy remaining in the tank, and with tough choices on the horizon, what Americans need more than anything is clarity about what those choices involve, about who is making them, and about who is avoiding them.

Sometimes clarity will mean confrontation.

Glenn distrusts the talk of “compromise,” and for good reason:

Often when Washington insiders talk “compromise,” they really mean engineering a situation where nobody really has to take a position, or responsibility. In those circumstances, clarity is better served by forcing positions into the open, even if doing so involves confrontation.

Often I will hear a heartfelt but utterly naive sentiment that people in Congress should learn to agree on helping the American people and stop arguing and wasting time.  But if that was possible on matters of import, we wouldn’t need a Congress at all.  Parliaments and Congresses exist to deal with the disagreements and either find common ground where possible or to take votes and let representative democracy work.  We have Congress precisely for these debates, because otherwise we’d have them in the streets with guns and knives.

People honestly disagree on policy and political philosophy.  Congress gives us a forum for confrontation and compromise.  Representative democracy requires elected officials to be accountable for their votes in Congress, and clarity is an absolute necessity for that process to work.  Passing 3,000-page bills doesn’t add to clarity, nor do back-room deals with opaque codicils for favored interests.  As Glenn says, confrontation forces those issues out into the sunlight.

Speaking of which, Glenn has a good idea to reinforce that clarity:

During the Obamacare debacle, Democratic representatives and senators ran away from constituent meetings and town halls. The last thing they wanted to do was listen to their constituents.

By way of contrast, Republicans should engage constituents early and often, and — publicly — encourage Democrats to do the same.

The town hall meeting is a popular tactic, and one that Democrats will have trouble emulating. That alone would make it good politics, but there’s substance as well as tactics in support of this approach.

Democrats probably lost this midterm cycle in August 2009, not November 2010, when they began hiding from angry constituents.  They stopped listening and denied voters the accountability they deserved.  Three months later, Democrats lost two governorships they should have held in New Jersey, a blue state, and Virginia, which had been trending blue for the previous three years or more.  Two months after that, a Republican won a Senate seat in Massachusetts for the first time since 1972.  The electorate could barely wait to make Democrats pay for their arrogance as well as their radical agenda.

Voters also want to see Congress work, too, and there will be some areas where clarity and compromise can co-exist.  For instance, it now appears that Obama is willing to extend all of the current tax rates for another year or two rather than dig in his heels on a tax hike on the highest bracket.   Obama also signaled some flexibility on natural gas exploration, mainly to get back in the good graces of Pennsylvania voters.  When it comes to spending, runaway regulation, “czars,” and ObamaCare, however, Republicans should provide confrontation instead of compromise in order to ensure that voters see the issues involved and understand exactly where interests lie.

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Exactly, a combination of compromise and confrontation. Obama needs to compromise on his principles, and we need to confront him on ours.

keep the change on November 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM

As Dennis Prager always says, “I prefer clarity over agreement.”

The American people need to see the contrast between the party so that they can determine which options are the best for the country.

So…I want clarity from the GOP…not compromise! Make the democrats explain their beliefs and they will lose everytime!

Conservative Samizdat on November 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Did the Dems compromise on Obamacare?

CWforFreedom on November 7, 2010 at 1:39 PM

The Tea Party made great strides in the 2010 election. We turned The House of Representatives on its ear. We caused The Senate to take notice of the people’s ability to remove Senators that refuse to govern with responsibility, or accountability. We are not finished. We must continue to not only exercise our right vote for conservative candidates, but also remove irresponsible and corrupt candidates. We have gained a strong voice in The House of Representatives and The Senate. We have not taken control of either.

We must now focus on good governance and the actions of Congress over the next two years. Our first priority is repeal of Obamacare. While I understand that that it is unlikely that the law will be repealed until either President Obama is removed from Office or we gain a veto proof majority in Congress. Or both. Voting to repeal Obamacare is more than just an act of good faith on Congress’ part, it is imperative that this attempt to force Socialism and the attempted power grab by liberal and progressive Democrats be rejected. The Tea Party must remain strong in this cause.

The Tea Party must hold our elected officials accountable for their acts and remain vigilant for corruption, cronyism, back room dealing. We demand that congress get off the path to Socialism and return to Exceptionalism. The United State’s struggle to bring freedom is unique in the world, the cause is righteous, it must continue. Our elected officials must remain committed to the ideal. We need to remove elected officials who care for nothing more than perpetual reelection and are willing to forge alliances with the corrupt.

The United States of America must embrace fiscal sanity. Remove pork barrel projects, be open and honest about earmarks, and cut fraudulent and wasteful spending. We demand that public officials stop giving taxpayer’s money to public unions that use those same dollars for electioneering. Government must stop redistribution of wealth. Redistribution of wealth is neither noble or righteous, it is nothing more than a power grab. When governments attempt to redistribute wealth it is for one purpose only, to buy votes. Taxation must be done frugally and for its stated purposes only. Taxation is a vex on on individual freedom. The government is bloated with taxpayer money, yet still wants even more. The government needs to cut wasteful spending, cut taxes, and focus only on those programs which are essential parts of good governance. We the people can decide where best to spend our hard won earnings.

The Tea Party needs to reach out to like minded people, and convince them our struggle is worth joining. We need to also reach out to others and prove our cause is righteous, and in the interests of individual freedom. We need to remain strong and a force for good. Be wary of politicians who wish to co-opt our strength, instead of joining us. Those who try to co-opt do so only for personal goals to achieve reelection, and nothing more. Those who try to co-opt easily opt out when polls waver.

Rode Werk on November 7, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Did voters give the GOP a mandate for a complete reversal of direction, or did they deliver an ultimatum to the White House to start compromising with Republicans.

P.J. O’Rourke summed it up best, and I’m paraphrasing here, that the voters did not deliver a mandate so much as they delivered a restraining order.

In other word, stop spending, and keep taxes low.

simkeith on November 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Compromise for the sake of compromise isnt leadership. That is what is needed right now.

Town halls are a good idea but there still is a lot of ambush politics going on. It will give the left an opportunity to ambush the right.

If the GOP wants to remain in power it must keep its promises to the people. And we didnt send them to Washington to save Obama’s Presidency.

Attack all the things that the democrats used to get their agenda passed. Get rid of earmarks that alone would have prevented Obama’s health bill from passing.

William Amos on November 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM

JOBS.

Don’t compromise on that.

profitsbeard on November 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM

When it comes to spending, runaway regulation, “czars,” and ObamaCare, however, Republicans should provide confrontation instead of compromise in order to ensure that voters see the issues involved and understand exactly where interests lie.

Does anyone know how the Board of Czars can be confronted? They were appointed (right?) so do they just fade away with the next administration or can Congress do anything at this point?

I think the public would at the very least like to see this addressed even if it’s a done deal for a while.

sherry on November 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM

O/T Sorry. Jonah Goldberg is on C-Span2, he’s got an hour and half to go.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Boehner looks awful pale in that thumbnail. Isn’t he supposed to have a perpetual tan?

Mr_Magoo on November 7, 2010 at 1:42 PM

I’m more interested in Ezra Klein’s take…

Psyche!

Mr_Magoo on November 7, 2010 at 1:44 PM

During the Obamacare debacle, Democratic representatives and senators ran away from constituent meetings and town halls. The last thing they wanted to do was listen to their constituents.

That worked real well for Carole Che-Porter here in NH. She’ll be looking for work in a couple of months.

Del Dolemonte on November 7, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Brilliantly simple and hugely advantageous to conservatives. Therefore I doubt it will ever happen. But it is what all Americans should expect from politicians. Insist on clarity about who stands for what on every issue, declare the principles and objectives, and proceed to make best effort to fulfill them. Once people understand the positions and goals, compromise becomes less of a loaded term, because people are able to see and understand exactly what is being given up for exactly what larger good. Politicians have committed themselves. But when politicians approach an issue talking “compromise” upfront, frustration and suspicion immediately set in: “You’re willing to offer compromise before you’ve even declared what is at stake and what you believe?” Elementary, it would seem.

rrpjr on November 7, 2010 at 1:54 PM

…and then, sadly, there’s California…

unclesmrgol on November 7, 2010 at 1:56 PM

When it comes to spending, runaway regulation, “czars,” and ObamaCare, however, Republicans should provide confrontation instead of compromise

You want clarity, let’s be clear.

NO COMPROMISE
REPEAL OBAMACARE

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Did the Dems compromise on Obamacare?

CWforFreedom on November 7, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Only within the group. Hard lefties dropped the threat to vote no if no public option, and the Stupak Six caved.

Wethal on November 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Compromise Intervention

faraway on November 7, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Does anyone know how the Board of Czars can be confronted? They were appointed (right?) so do they just fade away with the next administration or can Congress do anything at this point?

I think the public would at the very least like to see this addressed even if it’s a done deal for a while.

sherry on November 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Czars are political appointees that go when the administration ends. As do cabinet officers. They all serve at the pleasure of the president.

I’d like the House to subpoena some czars (Carol Browner or Elizabeth Warren, for example) and have the White House claim they are exempt from testifying because of some kind of executive privilege.

Wethal on November 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM

NO COMPROMISE
REPEAL OBAMACARE

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 2:04 PM

EXACTLY!

VegasRick on November 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM

No. Hell No. No Frickin Way. Pick one and call it compromise.

RalphyBoy on November 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM

We make a big deal about the Pelosi, Reid, and all the Dems not paying attention to their constituents. They were deaf to the voters’ complaints, and ram-rodded Obama-care through anyway, despite massive voter opposition.

Question: Was Sarkozy wrong to force changes to France’s pension system in the face of the riots, strikes, and massive nation-wide anger?

ss396 on November 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM

The town hall meeting is a popular tactic, and one that Democrats will have trouble emulating. That alone would make it good politics, but there’s substance as well as tactics in support of this approach.

While I’m not a Jerseyite, I’m a big fan of Chris Christie. He does very well in the town hall forum. He engages with the left and shoots them down in public. He demonstrates the duplicity in their arguments.

We need to point out to the people why cutting ALL unnecessary spending is important, as well as demonstrate the true human cost of public assistance. “Facts and science” support our cause.

Folks, it’s about balancing the budget. You can’t have what you can’t afford, period. Like pensions.

I think we need to quarantine California and New York so the liberal ideology is revealed as bogus, without dragging the rest of us down into the black hole.

disa on November 7, 2010 at 2:22 PM

…and then, sadly, there’s California…

unclesmrgol on November 7, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Well then we give them a message like Greece. Dismantle the Government crap out there, fix the Public Union pensions, or just go away and go broke and fail. That is one battle the GOP better stay strong on, they had better not even consider bailing out CA.

bluemarlin on November 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM

ss396

Commen sense will show you the difference in the 2 scenarios – one will be the ruin of the US, the other could be the saving of France.

disa on November 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM

So let me get this straight…

the first issue that the GOP will force Obama to move on is fracking? GREAT! Round 1 = poisoning water supplies??? Count me in!! I’m loving GOP governance already!

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 2:30 PM

bluemarlin on November 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM

I’m with you on this, but please pray for the conservatives out here who will have to ride the third rail while the liberal portion of the electorate figure things out. As I pointed out in a previous comment, we just elected a Democratic Governor, we have a Democratic Legislature, and we just passed Proposition 25 which lowers the vote ratio needed to pass a budget from 67% down to 50%+1; this means that we have the exact set of events ready for our own perfect storm to match the one which occurred on the national level.

unclesmrgol on November 7, 2010 at 2:30 PM

In this country, we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

I like the townhall meetings. It will keep the message focused

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Czars are political appointees that go when the administration ends. As do cabinet officers. They all serve at the pleasure of the president.

I’d like the House to subpoena some czars (Carol Browner or Elizabeth Warren, for example) and have the White House claim they are exempt from testifying because of some kind of executive privilege.

Wethal on November 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM

They may serve at the pleasure of the President, but Congress writes the paychecks. Don’t pay them or force the White House to take money from somewhere else in their budget to pay them.

txmomof6 on November 7, 2010 at 2:34 PM

I’m with you on this, but please pray for the conservatives out here who will have to ride the third rail while the liberal portion of the electorate figure things out. As I pointed out in a previous comment, we just elected a Democratic Governor, we have a Democratic Legislature, and we just passed Proposition 25 which lowers the vote ratio needed to pass a budget from 67% down to 50%+1; this means that we have the exact set of events ready for our own perfect storm to match the one which occurred on the national level.

unclesmrgol on November 7, 2010 at 2:30 PM

I do pray for you out there. I understand the predicament you face and I see no way for you to make it out of it unless complete and utter failure strikes CA government and economy. Well, as you have mentioned, you now have the perfect storm and already owe 130 billion. My point is that we as a Nation need to say NO, we will not bail you out unless you dismantle these crazy schemes you have out here. That is my point about GOP standing strong on no bailout for CA. As you mentioned , they voted Moonbeam back in, do you actually expect sanity/common sense to hit the electorate out there? Heck your state treasurer even stood up and said they were not capable as Democrats to fix it and no one cared.

bluemarlin on November 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Republicans were not given a mandate.

They were given a job to do: stop the spending.

Or else.

And a lot of the people don’t care what part of government needs to be sacrificed to stop the spending, outside of the very few constitutional requirements handed to it the rest of it can go hang.

Stop the spending and parts of this government just go away.

Or else there will be no D, no R, and most of what we know as the two party system will get liquidated.

Just do the job you were sent to do and forget about the damned ‘help’: it costs too much.

ajacksonian on November 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM

Ed,

Nice piece but I think you miss the big picture. Its not a matter of compromise vs clarity. The real issue is should Congress even be involved in much of what they twaddle about? Do we need them meddling in –

* Health care?
* Energy?
* Education?
* Commerce as it favors the Fortune 10k?

The answer is no. Strip it from them. Defund the various agencies. Shrink the government. Permit the dust to settle then see what else can be stripped.

Clarity or Compromise address none of those desires.

Dr. Dog on November 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM

the first issue that the GOP will force Obama to move on is fracking? GREAT! Round 1 = poisoning water supplies??? Count me in!! I’m loving GOP governance already!

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Are you really this stupid or just trying for a response?

VegasRick on November 7, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Compromise = CYA in politicospeak.

DrStock on November 7, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Well, we can look to MackDaddy for Asian wisdom:

http://www.time.com/time/quotes

davidk on November 7, 2010 at 2:44 PM

I mean, that was pretty obviously facetious, but I’m not exactly happy about the possibility of my tap water all of a sudden becoming flammable. Lets start somewhere more sensible, shall we? Cutting War on Drugs spending perhaps? Surely there is no more wasteful and ineffective government program currently in place.

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 2:46 PM

I’d like the House to subpoena some czars (Carol Browner or Elizabeth Warren, for example) and have the White House claim they are exempt from testifying because of some kind of executive privilege.

Wethal on November 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Thanks for the information.

It would be nice to watch this administration get themselves all tied up in knots, once again.

sherry on November 7, 2010 at 2:46 PM

So let me get this straight…

the first issue that the GOP will force Obama to move on is fracking? GREAT! Round 1 = poisoning water supplies??? Count me in!! I’m loving GOP governance already!

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Ernesto, my dear friend, usually I ignore your point of view but this is soooooo off the wall I must point out that it is OBAMA who is suggesting expanded drilling for NatGas, (fracking) in Pennsylvania to buy votes in that state.

Almost certainly you know this so your little fragging of the thread is intentional and deliberate. and. no I don’t care what you think.

Have a nice day.

Skandia Recluse on November 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Use townhalls, but also have a hearing in the first week with only small businessmen asking them what they need that will allow them to create jobs.

txmomof6 on November 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Compromise to the Progressive Dems means “do what we say” and we’ll let you get some nice coverage in WaPo and the NYT. Maybe we’ll book you for Meet the Press or one of the Sunday shows. And you will do what we say or we’ll have our dogs in the media after you and the Unions will be on your front yards……..mess with us and show resistance to us and our idea of compromise……and we’ll PALINIZE you!!

THAT is compromise to the Dems.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2010 at 2:51 PM

Skandia Recluse on November 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM

I know he’s the one suggesting it, as an olive branch to pennsylvania conservatives. This is only happening, though, because the GOP will run the House.

Why do you assume I like Obama? Why do you assume I’m ok with his expansion of illegal wars, his insistence on fighting the drug war, his acquiescence to industry groups on matters of IP and copyright, or his ludicrous forays into the market like cash for clunkers? Just because he’s wrong, doesn’t make you right.

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Juan and Mara on FoxNews Sunday…good lord. Talk about spinning the results of the election.

SouthernGent on November 7, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Compromise lead to world war II

Just saying

If the world did not compromise on the invasion on Poland things may be have been different. One does not compromise with the the “enemy” of freedom. If does not matter if the “enemy” is the Taliban or socialists in congress.

tjexcite on November 7, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Why do you assume I like Obama? Why do you assume I’m ok with his expansion of illegal wars, his insistence on fighting the drug war, his acquiescence to industry groups on matters of IP and copyright, or his ludicrous forays into the market like cash for clunkers? Just because he’s wrong, doesn’t make you right.

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Heh. For a while there I thought you were a liberal.

davidk on November 7, 2010 at 2:58 PM

tjexcite on November 7, 2010 at 2:56 PM

When, exactly, did the socialists arrive?

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 2:59 PM

I wrote here that the die was cast in July, 2009. I’m not certain decisions about Obama will be made in 2011.

LFRGary on November 7, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Juan and Mara on FoxNews Sunday…good lord. Talk about spinning the results of the election.

SouthernGent on November 7, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Awww, crap, just missed it. Was watching a special on ABC with vintage clips of Carson…
Really funny stuff.

OmahaConservative on November 7, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Talk about spinning the results of the election.

SouthernGent on November 7, 2010 at 2:53 PM

This is their tunnel vision. You’re going to hear a lot of this argument. Compromise, we’ll work with you, meet us half way, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

The failure to communicate is not the why Obama took a shellacking, Obama communicated very will, and we issued a loud response.

Obama will never move to the center. He’s not going to compromise, neither will we. This is a repudiation of Obama’s policies. This is about ideology and Obamacare

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 3:06 PM

When, exactly, did the socialists arrive?

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 2:59 PM

They’ve been around for a long time

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 3:06 PM

And so the wave that brought the democrats into power in the first place…that was what, exactly?

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM

We need to point out to the people why cutting ALL unnecessary spending is important, as well as demonstrate the true human cost of public assistance. “Facts and science” support our cause.

Folks, it’s about balancing the budget. You can’t have what you can’t afford, period. Like pensions.

I think we need to quarantine California and New York so the liberal ideology is revealed as bogus, without dragging the rest of us down into the black hole.

disa on November 7, 2010 at 2:22 PM

You are headed in the right direction, but you are not quite there yet.

We must use more precise language in this thing. Instead of saying “cut uneccessary spening” and “balance the budget”, we need to say get the government out of the stuff for which they have not a Constitutional mandate.

The list is very long. It includes the NIH, NEA, NEH, Fannie and Freddie, OSHA, EPA, and on and on. No it goes not include cutting defense spending for which some of the Chicken Littles here have called.

The only mandate, like I said is the Constitution. I leave it to the legal and constitutional scholars to refine further even what I have said, but we cannot leave the socialists any wiggle room.

davidk on November 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM

davidk on November 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Just because the constitution says we can spend money on something, does not then mean we must spend as much as humanly possible on it. There’s tons of money to be saved in defense, whether you like it or not.

Also, I find it interesting that you left DEA off your list. Spending a pittance on a philharmonic = unconstitutional, while spending a fortune locking up non violent offenders = damn good governance? Let’s be real here, the constitution doesn’t mean anything to you.

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 3:17 PM

They’ve been around for a long time

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Long enough, lets say, to consider most of the current GOP representation complicit?

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Surely there is no more wasteful and ineffective government program currently in place.

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 2:46 PM

In theory this is to promote the social good of keeping people from doing stupid things to themselves and getting hooked on drugs to do that.

Now, flip that around: where do we pay people to do destructive things to society for their own benefit?

The answer is: Dept. of Agriculture paying people not to farm who have no intention of farming in the first place, plus the subsidies used as corporate welfare to help get larger profits for big agriculture and raise our cost of food. In one go you have an activity destructive to someone’s moral health (paying them not to do something) which is also corrosive to the fabric of society, that enriches businesses who have as their only grace lobbying so as to get price supports and subsidies, which then costs consumers more for food… for this we pay taxes.

At least the junkie knows he or she wants their next hit and is willing to actively rob to do that. These leeches infesting the body politic via the Dept. of Ag?

The cost is not just monetary, although that is high as we pay taxes and higher food prices, but also tips the market in favor of large businesses by creating a barrier to entry for smaller agricultural concerns… at the same time paying individuals not to enter that market by not farming. You want a triple waste of money? The Dept. of Agriculture is it!

It can go away, now, after causing the Dustbowl and then scrambling to figure out how to fix what it created… thanks, but no. And, really, big agriculture should be able to stand on its own now, shouldn’t it? Plus putative farmers should be forced with either learning how to farm or getting out of the way of those willing to do so with their land.

Stop the spending.

ajacksonian on November 7, 2010 at 3:22 PM

Long enough, lets say, to consider most of the current GOP representation complicit?

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Take some time to read and understand this.
It will answer a lot of your questions.

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 3:23 PM

In theory this is to promote the social good of keeping people from doing stupid things to themselves and getting hooked on drugs to do that.

ajacksonian on November 7, 2010 at 3:22 PM

You do realize this reasoning can easily be stretched to include most if not all the spending you seek to stop, right? Obamacare is just promoting the social good of keeping people from waiting until they get sick to buy insurance!

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM

And so the wave that brought the democrats into power in the first place…that was what, exactly?

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM

That was a wave comprised of the hard left, moderates, and independents who bought the crap O was selling about getting our financial house in order. Also bought the centrist attitude he was selling about bipartisanship.So once he and the Dems demonstrated they were better at spending than anyone in the history of the world and also wanted to do it by thmeselves, well then the undertow from that wave came back and got them.

bluemarlin on November 7, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Obamacare is just promoting the social good of keeping people from waiting until they get sick to buy insurance!

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Yeah, and that my money to pay for your care.

I’d rather pay for my own, and let you figure out you want to do.

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Obamacare is just promoting the social good of keeping people from waiting until they get sick to buy insurance!

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM

That is your problem, you think they should be involved when they have no right to be dictating what I choose to buy or not buy just by virtue of breathing.

bluemarlin on November 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM

You can sum up Obamacare with this quote:

Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.

— Daniel Webster

It is the governments duty to Promote the General Welfare, not to provide, or force you to pay for, your general welfare.

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 3:50 PM

There can be no compromise with the fellow that wants to fill your drinking well with excrement. He wants to fill it very full. You want none. Will you compromise at filling it only half full of sh1t? How about letting him only dump a few hundred pounds of sh1t in the well, rather than the few hundred tons he originally proposed, in the name of ‘compromise’?

Obamacare, cap and trade, tax increases, deficit spending, entitlements, government bloat and growth, nanny state mentality, etc… all must go, completely, period.

Midas on November 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Someone has to give in. Nobody wanted to really give in, so we ended up with an atrocity of HCR. Honestly, it was ridiculous to hear the rhetoric on both sides.

The public did want reform. The industry boot out method was really appalling. The rates were skyrocketing, but getting them to actually pay? Different story with a lot of the companies. The only people who really liked their plans had group plans negotiated by relatively big companies. Or government plans.

I know what I mean when I say, “Knock it off.” It’s all the BS rhetoric. Tell me what you’re going to cut spending-wise and how it will affect us. Don’t BS about it.

Then, if the public honestly reacts negatively to some proposed cut, we can speak up in time to make a difference. I do trust that one message they ALL heard was to start listening.

Otherwise, I’ll not have any problem voting the new bunch out, too.

AnninCA on November 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM

I would love to see them keep the best of HCR and toss the rest. Go to a McCain type plan. It’s similar, based on competitiveness, but allows across-state lines and eliminates a ton of government involvement. But then put in some overriding principles, such as no boot out once they underwrite a policy and a reasonable percentage of high-risk patients must be included. Spread out the risk, in other words.

There’s ways to do this, I think.

On spending, I like the idea of a strategic look at where the money is being spent and is it effective. I hate to see big programs get slashed. That’s lazy. The real culprit is in the myriad of little programs that are just plain wasteful. Then, I’d like to hear some real discussion about troops in Afghanastan.

We’re ready for that talk.

AnninCA on November 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM

And get the media noise out of the decisionmaking, for heaven’s sakes. They all say they are savvy, but are they really?

Seems to me they react like flies on a watermelon.

AnninCA on November 7, 2010 at 4:13 PM

they rammed through a predetermined agenda without paying any attention to voters’ misgivings

I agree with the Professor. Make them vote up or down on repeal of Obamacare. 1. If they do not, we will be ticked! 2. What is it, 23 Dems up for re-election in 2012 – including newly elected Joe Manchin, who vowed to vote for repeal. Also PA Sen Casey I believe. Both Nelsons. Something tells me we won’t see a party-line vote. Let us all see clearly where ever Senator stands.

humdinger on November 7, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Parliaments and Congresses exist to deal with the disagreements and either find common ground where possible or to take votes and let representative democracy work.

Representation is what’s missing. Congress ceases to represent its constituencies when people become entrenched and powerful, and power is, after all, the greatest aphrodisiac.

College Prof on November 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM

This is worth reading again;

It is the governments duty to Promote the General Welfare, not to provide, or force you to pay for, your general welfare.

Kini on November 7, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Thank you, Kini, for providing some of the clarity that we need.

massrighty on November 7, 2010 at 4:33 PM

ernesto on November 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM

I’m not saying that promoting the social good via government is a good thing: it can’t do that, it can only restrict certain activities by the power we give it as a people.

And, yes, just about all spending for a social ‘good’ by government falls under that category, which is why government at the National level is given so very little to do in a federalist system. The concept is to let people take care of themselves locally, first and via their municipal and county governments, next, and their State governments third and last. Most of the things done over the last 100 years inverts that and tries to tackles ‘social issues’ via National government first which doesn’t work and costs too much for too little value. In fact most of the return on such activities is negative to society and individual liberty… which is the opposite of the function of the National government in a federal system that recognizes that it is the people with the power to create government via society, not for government to create society by fiat.

The drug war is negative, yes.

Far more destructive are those things that promote negative values in the society as a whole: the point of the drug war is to protect society from individuals who are addicts, while the point of the Dept. of Agriculture is now to change the economy and degrade the moral values of individuals via payments for doing nothing productive with land. One is a strange form of trying to do more than mere public safety laws, the other is a corrosive and destructive input to our economy and the moral fiber of the Nation.

ajacksonian on November 7, 2010 at 4:41 PM

I recall the two words Obama uttered about compromise
“WE WON!”

lilium on November 7, 2010 at 5:10 PM

The new 112th congress does not take office until Jan. and the people negotiating with Obama are Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. I doubt there will be any compromises on the tax increases about to happen. It will be shoved down our throats, just like before.

The House leaders of the 112th need to offer PURE bills to be voted on by the Democrats in the House and to be handled by the 112th Reid Senate. Lets see their votes. If they fail or Obama Veto’s them, then lets look at compromises. Don’t play 12th hour gamesmanship and make them take it or leave it with a shut down.

Offer substantially smaller and smaller Continuing Resolutions until the budget is passed, but NEVER offer a shutdown.

barnone on November 7, 2010 at 5:21 PM

So is john Boehner oranger or whiter nowadays?

MarkT on November 7, 2010 at 5:23 PM

The House members of the GOP who don’t know anything about Obamacare need to be schooled by those who do about the things that are wrong with it. More important, they’ll need to be able to counter Dems who rely solely on the goodies in Obamacare. For example, how would the GOP deal with the pre-existing condition problem? Another goody is the age 27 child provision. GOP members should be in a position to compare the skyrocketing premium cost to cover those kids with the nominal cost of get those kids a catastrophic coverage until they get on an employee policy of their own.

I don’t know what to do about eliminating caps on coverage. After all, that’s not insurance anymore, is it? Maybe the GOP should just start describing Obamacare what it really is: health welfare. Then, they can start calling Obamacare…Obamafare.

BuckeyeSam on November 7, 2010 at 5:58 PM

My point is that we as a Nation need to say NO, we will not bail you out unless you dismantle these crazy schemes you have out here. That is my point about GOP standing strong on no bailout for CA. As you mentioned , they voted Moonbeam back in, do you actually expect sanity/common sense to hit the electorate out there? Heck your state treasurer even stood up and said they were not capable as Democrats to fix it and no one cared.

bluemarlin on November 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM

WRONG!!!!!
WE WILL NEVER EVER BAIL YOU OUT! YOU MADE THE MESS YOU FIX IT WITHOUT MY TAX DOLLARS!

dhunter on November 7, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Nice piece but I think you miss the big picture. Its not a matter of compromise vs clarity. The real issue is should Congress even be involved in much of what they twaddle about? Do we need them meddling in –

* Health care?
* Energy?
* Education?
* Commerce as it favors the Fortune 10k?

The answer is no. Strip it from them. Defund the various agencies. Shrink the government. Permit the dust to settle then see what else can be stripped.

Clarity or Compromise address none of those desires.

Dr. Dog on November 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM

THIS!

dhunter on November 7, 2010 at 6:11 PM

WOW Chris just called out Juan Williams spinning that it was the economy not policy that cost Dems!

Juan says its not about idiology and healthcare its the economy Chris was incredulus almost.

Pelosi is an effective leader and fundraiser only exceeded by the great Baraack Obama!

Brit Hume , Pelosi and Obama lead their party to historic losses she should not be put in leadership or sent off in honor.

The Rats don’t get that their policies suck and Americans hate socialism!

dhunter on November 7, 2010 at 6:44 PM

I’d like the House to subpoena some czars (Carol Browner or Elizabeth Warren, for example) and have the White House claim they are exempt from testifying because of some kind of executive privilege.

Wethal on November 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM

I would love to see that happen. The czars KNOW there is no way they can claim executive privilege or any other legal protections (with the exception of attorney client privilege).

Conservative Samizdat on November 7, 2010 at 7:33 PM

sherry on November 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM
Wethal on November 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Refuse to fund the Czar positions that would take care of the problem.

chemman on November 7, 2010 at 7:45 PM

Democrats probably lost this midterm cycle in August 2009, not November 2010, when they began hiding from angry constituents. They stopped listening and denied voters the accountability they deserved.

Excellent point! As I recall, the “Remember NOvember” and “WE the People, began showing up during the summer of 2009. Nothing will get you fired quicker than slamming the door in your boss’ face and refusing to return his calls.

TN Mom on November 7, 2010 at 8:36 PM

One thing I would like to see out of this Congress is a major nuclear power effort using modern plant designs and recycling fuel (on site).

Every member of Congress should read all six pages of this:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=smarter-use-of-nuclear-waste

crosspatch on November 8, 2010 at 2:21 AM

Democrats probably lost this midterm cycle in August 2009, not November 2010, when they began hiding from angry constituents.

The Tea Party would not have blossomed without this great accelerant. Amazingly, I see little interest in most in both parties to change, so I predict the Tea Party will grow stronger. It is simply a reaction to politicians who ignore the public will

I am interested to see how Boehner handles himself. So far he has used a lot of discretion. He has not succumbed to the temptation to disown the Tea Party

Palin pulled away from the pack because she would not turn her back on the Tea Party, which she recognized represented not a particular group of acrivist leaders, but a public demand to be heard

Boehner has great opportunity. The question is his motive. Does he really care to satisfy a public with different interests than his colleagues’?

The RINOs are trying to box the GOP into the party of less taxation and regulation of business, because only kooks care about other issues, like amnesty. The moment Boehner moves into that box, he loses the Tea Party, even though taxation and spending are at the top of the Tea Party list. Sovereignity is equally important to those focused on Constitutional government, and it is Constitutionalism which protects the public from the excesses of business and banks.

Boehner has not publically chosen a side. He cant have both, because RINOism does not protect the protesters.

Should be interesting. I have my own guess what he will do. Just waiting. Funny thing in this case, Boehner cant fake it. There is too much legislation he has to touch that will reveal where he stands.

entagor on November 8, 2010 at 4:04 AM