Open letter to McConnell and Boehner from top conservatives: It’s time to stand up for core principles

posted at 6:24 pm on November 4, 2010 by Allahpundit

I take it this is a warning shot that any wrong moves legislatively will result in primary challenges and/or third-party runs. That point isn’t made explicitly, granted, but does it need to be?

The letter, obtained Thursday by CNN, was co-signed by a fleet of top conservative activists including former Reagan Attorney General Ed Meese, Media Research Center President Brent Bozell, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins, Let Freedom Ring founder Colin Hanna and Tea Party Express chairman Amy Kremer.

It asks McConnell, Boehner and Barbour to “go before the American people jointly and present a unified vision of what this Republican victory will stand for” – namely lower taxes, reducing the size of government, a commitment to “restoring traditional moral values” and a muscular foreign policy.

Here’s the full text. First of all, didn’t the GOP already present a “unified vision” of core principles (sans the “traditional moral values” part) just two months ago in the Pledge To America? I’m not sure what the signatories here want beyond that; if they have specific policies in mind that they want enacted, identifying them would have been much more useful than simply reciting the usual “These Things I Believe” list of conservative values.

Second, I’m intrigued by what they say in the letter about “reducing government spending to only those functions entrusted to it in our great constitution.” Is that a hint that it’s time to reform Social Security and Medicare, or are those two budget-wrecking programs part of the core conservative agenda imagined here? (See what I mean about how useful specificity would have been?) The more I watch tea party honchos rant against government spending and big government, the more frustrated I am that, for all their ardor, only very rarely do they squarely address the problem of entitlements and what aging Baby Boomers will mean for it. Even the tea party’s “Contract from America” doesn’t touch the third rail: It dances around it, demanding a balanced budget and tax reform, calling for a statutory cap on spending, and proposing a task force on fiscal responsibility, but never are any of the old entitlements specifically targeted. (By contrast, the Contract explicitly calls for repealing ObamaCare and rejecting cap-and-trade.) The greatest thing the tea party could do for fiscal responsibility is to simply start talking about this; doing so won’t land entitlement reform on the national agenda immediately, but putting the idea in people’s heads will at least prepare the ground for it. And the ground does need to be prepared, urgently: See this pie chart and the accompanying commentary from Philip Klein about the GOP’s “fiscal fantasyland” and you’ll understand why. But then, there’s a reason why even “true conservatives” for the most part don’t want to touch this. Remember this data set from the NYT’s poll of tea partiers back in April?

Is there a single prominent Republican apart from Paul Ryan who’s sincerely ready to go to work on this? Chris Christie? Rubio? Anyone?

Update: Keli Carender of the Tea Party Patriots e-mails to say that the candidate questionnaire used by the TPP explicitly mentions Social Security and Medicare reform as a priority. Credit where it’s due.


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I know I don’t always agree with you, portlandon, but I sure do agree with you on this. Well said.

Caiwyn on November 4, 2010 at 7:15 PM

We may squabble, but we are atleast in the same big Tent =)

portlandon on November 4, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Stick to the mandate GOP: reduce spending, reduce goverment,… and in doing so you’ll establish some credibility. Until you do that, well your newfound victory will be temporary.

maineconservative on November 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM

What limited government posers. Fun fact: defense spending is the biggest part of the federal budget outside of entitlements. Anyone serious about reducing the size of government keeps military spending on the table.

Enrique on November 4, 2010 at 7:22 PM

Yes, but here is the problem… you take it off the table, who do you think is going to come after us first?

upinak on November 4, 2010 at 7:26 PM

Good grief Alla, when you go to a football game do you yell “Hit’em hard and Defense”? Or do you yell “Halfback right, wide receiver to the left, right guard pull on three”? It’s an old fashion thing called encouragement. Do you expect the TP to draft a list of bills to be voted on? It, the TP, is a movement of unaffiliated people with a common belief that the country has to do something to get spending under control. It’s up to Congress to decide the details. BTW, I agree with the “Get out of moral values department”.

inspectorudy on November 4, 2010 at 7:26 PM

The US citizenry is like spoiled children who have been raised believing that they can demand anything and will get it if they elect the right people. We’ve rarely been told no, and we have an entitlement issue.

Now the unpleasantry of hearing “Sorry, no more!” has to be dropped on us like a bomb, and no one’s going to be happy. You have to say it all along the way, or the time will come when the kids will beat you up for refusing their indulgences. If the R’s stick to it, they may get booted out in two years anyway.

leftnomore on November 4, 2010 at 7:26 PM

But can you point to a single Congress member who has a perfect or near-perfect fiscal conservative voting record who is not also a social conservative?

Norwegian on November 4, 2010 at 7:04 PM

The gentleman representing the 14th Congressional District of Texas.

JohnGalt23 on November 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM

Anyway, my larger point is it’s not the fault of older folks for being forced to pay into this monstrosity. I don’t blame them for wanting what they payed all these years.

It can be fixed I believe to everyone’s satisfaction but it’ll just take some time.

darwin on November 4, 2010 at 7:12 PM

They are receiving far more than they paid in. I have no problem with them getting what they paid in, but nothing more. We won’t get anything regardless.

ladyingray on November 4, 2010 at 7:29 PM

But can you point to a single Congress member who has a perfect or near-perfect fiscal conservative voting record who is not also a social conservative?

Norwegian on November 4, 2010 at 7:04 PM

The gentleman representing the 14th Congressional District of Texas.

JohnGalt23 on November 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM

Sorry Norwegian, he’s got you there.

portlandon on November 4, 2010 at 7:31 PM

I like the letter – in fact – I’d like to see a similar letter coming from the entire junior class of incoming representatives.

GOP leaders need to know we’re watching them.

as we said in the Navy …

“You can EXPECT what you INSPECT!”

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:31 PM

You’re not kidding. This whole “Feds are buying up $600,000,000 in Debt” is spooking the heck out of me.

portlandon on November 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM

The scariest part is you forgot a few zeros there.

JohnGalt23 on November 4, 2010 at 7:32 PM

If you really look at both mandatory and discretionary spending, there’s plenty of trimming that could be done.

However, both SS and MedCare/Aid reform needs to be done.

What I worry is congress will just play the shell game and move money about without really cutting spending.

Kini on November 4, 2010 at 7:33 PM

The gentleman representing the 14th Congressional District of Texas.

JohnGalt23 on November 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM

hahahaha, the Pork King and crank who often years gets ratings as high as 65% from NARAL!!!

good one. Here’s a tip, this website isn’t a member of your cult.

jp on November 4, 2010 at 7:34 PM

Read my blog – I put a plan up there to cut this government to the bone – it’s easy …

The key is – you don’t “cut” the American people … you allow them to “buy” a better nation …

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM

I take that as an implication military spending shouldn’t be on the table for cuts, i.e., national defense is in the Constitution, whereas Social Security isn’t

Technically no I think. One could make the argument that you could defund the Air Force as Army, Navy and Militias are named in the Constitution. Also you could defund any weapon systems that were offensive in nature if you want tro strictly enforce the “We only pay for whats in the constitution” idea.

Zaggs on November 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM

not to mention a lifetime ACU rating as good as John McCain

LOL, brainwashed are the paulnuts.

jp on November 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM

JohnGalt23 on November 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM
portlandon on November 4, 2010 at 7:31 PM

Ron Paul is pro-life and supports overturning Roe; that’s pretty socially conservative. Don’t know what his drug policy is. Norwegian is right there are almost no pro-choice fiscal conservatives. Maybe that Nan Hayworth might turn out to be better than Biggert of Capito. Maybe.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on November 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM

People just really, really have to get an idea of just how bankrupt SS is, those numbers will move.

How many people do you think realize we have over 111 TRILLION dollars in unfunded liabilities?

clement on November 4, 2010 at 7:37 PM

It’s warning alright, and one the GOP had best heed. As the 2 stories below this one on the leader board point out, the Dhims didn’t have a problem with turnout, the electorate has shifted conservative, appreciably. The debts we are running (even pre-Obama/Pelosi/Reid) are akin to the Titanic in the north Atlantic and looming catastrophe has focused on what is truly important, our simply impossible debt load. When states, municipal, county and entitlements(SS/MC/MA) are combined with the national debt of appx $14T, the total debt is around $149T!

That my friends, in real-estate terms, is enough to buy all of the landmass on planet earth and still have a sizable down payment for Mars leftover!

What the electorate shrieked on Tuesday is: STOP SPENDING OUR MONEY. And we mean it.

That bit about traditional values (I’m taking it that they other than fiscal values) is a GOP shipwreck in the making. Who’s tradition, who’s values? If we are talking about faith and interpetation what is supposedly ordained from the heaven’s, you can’t get a roomfull of clergy of Espicapalians to agree on what precisely that is, let alone Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Protestants, Anglicans, Lutherans, etc. Throw in LDS, Muslims, Jews, Buddists, Shinto, and on and on and you’re not going to get anywhere at all

At least partially responsible for Tuesdays wave, is that Rep’s shied away from social issues. manifest in the creation of this nation was freedom of religon, that must have generic rules to live by and what is betweend god, is between you and god, not our legislative bodies acting as god’s agent’s here on earth.

Even if ALL FAITH’s agreed on anything at all, you simply cannot legislate morality. If we are all sinners, and all sinners sin, then is gov’t supposed to punish all of us? I don’t think anyone wants that. For those that believe, let them and their own conscience direct how they should act, and if there is a hereafter, let them each reap their rewards accordingly.

If the country falls into financial ruination not even the modicum of civil behavior will be acheivable, let alone moral, whatever your own particular morals may be.

With the election of Obama we almost had morality dictated to us by fraudulent Gaia worshipers, and we all know the calamitous path that would had led us down.

FREEDOM IS THE ONLY PATH, TO EACH HIS OWN, ANDCHIPS FALL AS THEY MAY.

Archimedes on November 4, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Since when is it the government’s job to “restore traditional moral values?” Just when I think Republicans stand a chance, they allow the social conservatives to do what they condemn Democrats for, i.e., telling people how to run their lives.

NNtrancer on November 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM

There are a lot of Conservatives who are out there that are made the Left has successfully used the organs of the state to either enforce THEIR morality or propagandize for it.

We cannot leave what they have set up in place and every time we try to stop them from doing what they’ve been doing the same people will scream WILL YOU PLEASE LEAVE YOUR MORALITY OUT OF POLITICS?

Yeah. Like the OTHER SIDE ever does that.

manofaiki on November 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM

upinak on November 4, 2010 at 7:22 PM

Would it have been simpler to understand had I said I want our representatives actions to speak for themselves? Their actions will display what their values are about.

WhoU4 on November 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM

I’m a Boomer, and I say cut it. Move up the starting age. Give a tax break to rich geezers who forego their check.

I’d rather have something rather than nothing.

PattyJ on November 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

This is why the GOP elites must be defeated:

Yesterday, we appealed to the National Republican Congressional Committee for support, asking if they could contribute to help pay the costs of this recount. Their answer, unfortunately, was, No – that we would have to raise the money to pay for the recount ourselves.

I was afraid that would be their answer. Months ago, I went to Washington and asked the National Republican Congressional Committee and many conservative leaders to help my campaign. Many conservative groups – like the Susan B. Anthony List, Concerned Women of America, Freedom Works, and Sarah Palin’s Sarah PAC all helped, but the NRCC declined. Later, they did support other campaigns in North Carolina – which, unfortunately, lost – but we never received their support. In fact, their spokesman told the press “that the campaign wasn’t ready for prime time” – which actually made it even harder for us to raise money. So, I am doubtful we will get support from the NRCC to help with the expense of the recount

Renee Ellmers

And for the record Her campaign was the only won to upset an incumbant in NC.
that not ready for Primetime campaign blew the doors off the NRCC. I’ll leave it for you to figure out why they really rejected her.

this is criminal on the NRCC part that they have an elected congress person and they are not lifting one finger to help her secure the victory that she won.

They gave $1million to DEDE but a conservative gets nothing. Is this how the NRCC wants to play? do they want to go to war with conservatives in NC? Are they wreally that stupid and out of touch? they need NC to win national elections. Senator burr needs to twist some arms in DC The NC GOP needs to demand that the national party helps in this battle. Not one red cent should any republican NC conservative give to any national Gop group until the national groups help keep the wins we have earned.

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Zaggs on November 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM

I work for the US Navy as a civilian now – we can make some cuts in the military.

Gotta remember – the Armed Forces is a lot more than uniforms and tanks and ships – there’s also a HUGE number of civilians running some pretty silly programs.

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

So, when the tea party starts holding Republican feet to the fire, what’s the liberal spin going to be? Fractured party? Infighting memes?

Trust me, there’s going to be some Republicans who screw up. And they’ll pay the price just like Democrats did.

I really do believe we’re watching the birth of a new party or the radical transformation of an old party. We’re living in historical times, savor it.

ButterflyDragon on November 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

TimTebowSavesAmerica on November 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM

the Paultard had a 65% NARAL rating, and is for the legalization of all drugs, from crack to pot. though he disguises much of it on the federal level with ‘return it to the states”

He’s alos in favor of Gays in the Military among other things

He is a worshiper of Anarcho-Capitalist and godless, Murray Rothbard and all the bircher lunancy that follows. The guy WFB and Goldwater wisely blackballed out of the conservative movement. They are not classical liberals.

jp on November 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Zaggs on November 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Fine. Roll the Air Force into the Army or Navy, no problem. I’m sure my son, who is an Airman, wouldn’t care.

ladyingray on November 4, 2010 at 7:42 PM

DAMN TYPO’S!

Archimedes on November 4, 2010 at 7:42 PM

I wouldn’t say cutting defense spending should be off the table. Surely defense spending gets picked on because its like buying a big fire extinguisher. Ideally its not something you use everyday, but you are glad to have it when you need it.
The problem is the Pentagon pisses so much money away just on things like the procurement process or systems that aren’t needed. I wouldn’t mind republicans sending a shot across the pentagon’s bow that they either get their crap in order or face big cuts.

Zaggs on November 4, 2010 at 7:42 PM

we need a money bomb for Ellmers folks. do not let the dems do an Al franken in NC. help if you can

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 7:42 PM

Just when I think Republicans stand a chance, they allow the social conservatives to do what they condemn Democrats for, i.e., telling people how to run their lives.

NNtrancer on November 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Exactly. Happy Meal, anyone?

ladyingray on November 4, 2010 at 7:43 PM

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Don’t worry about the NRCC – we’ll have control of it next year. ;)

In the mean time – we have take up the slack at the grassroots for the lazyazz establishment.

She needs to set up a website for donations – does she have one?

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:44 PM

What’s with all the new names on HotAir (many trolls)? Did Allah have an open season on signup and a lot of sore loser DKos infiltrate?

I think so.

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:46 PM

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/government-and-you/us-government/congressional-records/2005-congressional-record-on.pdf

2005 NARAL voting rankings, Ron Paulnut gets 65%

latest ACU Ratings:

http://www.conservative.org/ratings/ratingsarchive/2009/2009%20Combined%20Ratings.html#TX

82% up a few points since 2008, possibly trying to do the impossible and win a nomination….never the less, its the same % roughly of John McCain.

http://www.conservative.org/ratings/ratingsarchive/2009/2009%20Combined%20Ratings.html#AZ

McCain also at 82%

jp on November 4, 2010 at 7:46 PM

Gotta remember – the Armed Forces is a lot more than uniforms and tanks and ships – there’s also a HUGE number of civilians running some pretty silly programs.

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

I concur.

visions on November 4, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Ron Paul is pro-life and supports overturning Roe; that’s pretty socially conservative. Don’t know what his drug policy is.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on November 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM

He is pro-life, but wants the authority to ban abortion returned to the States.

He is pro-gay rights.

He is pro-legalization.

He is pro-Second Amendment, but to my knowledge owns no guns.

He opposes federal funding for church-based initiatives.

In my experience, social conservatism is made of far sterner stuff.

JohnGalt23 on November 4, 2010 at 7:47 PM

They gave $1million to DEDE but a conservative gets nothing. Is this how the NRCC wants to play? do they want to go to war with conservatives in NC? Are they wreally that stupid and out of touch?

It seems so, and they will pay, big in ’12 if they don’t get it by then.

Archimedes on November 4, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Would it have been simpler to understand had I said I want our representatives actions to speak for themselves? Their actions will display what their values are about.
WhoU4 on November 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Values are not the issue.

We are making this a social issue. Why? Money isn’t social. Taking care of your Bills and making things run on time… isn’t social. It is about being responsible for ones self, ones money and not worry about the rest of the world and what they think!

And there is where we are. Our Reps are worried about the rest of the world.

upinak on November 4, 2010 at 7:48 PM

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

I agree. I just wrote the NRCC a blistering email.

website@nrcc.org

rrpjr on November 4, 2010 at 7:48 PM

How about an end to judicial tyranny on the federal level? Iowa showed the way on the state level.

Amen! Point One against another Bush sentencing soldiers to a 50-years shooting war peace corps.

Feedie on November 4, 2010 at 7:06 PM

1.) No, judges should be appointed by the President. Direct elections of Senators caused enough of the eroding of Federalism-we damn well don’t need any more. In fact anyone think its a good idea to remove the 17th Amendment while we’re at it to try and restore some of the power to States?

2.) I believe Bush was right to do what he did in invading Iraq & A-stan. I tried to enlist and I still believe its right and had the Army (or Navy which I tried to commission into in college) taken me I would gladly be there today. What I think is stupid it the fact that since we’re THERE WE AREN’T KILLING THE B@$T@RDS!

Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines are “created” (via Boot Camp) to do one thing and only 1 thing-kill the enemy. Using them in any other manner is a waste of precious human resources. Using them in other manners and not permitting them to DEFEND THEMSELVES is nearly inexcusable.

Iraq is a little better, modern infrastructure and education and the like-but A-stan IMO is still stuck in the stone age

SgtSVJones on November 4, 2010 at 7:51 PM

What limited government posers. Fun fact: defense spending is the biggest part of the federal budget outside of entitlements. Anyone serious about reducing the size of government keeps military spending on the table.

Enrique on November 4, 2010 at 7:22 PM

Maybe someone touched on this already and I missed it. Providing for a standing army for the defense of the country is the only thing the Governemnt is specifically empowered to do and is not an entitlement. I don`t know how you lump that in with third rail entitlements, which are not provided for in the Constitution as powers that have been given to them.

bluemarlin on November 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM

She needs to set up a website for donations – does she have one?

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:44 PM

You can donate here:
http://www.reneeforcongress.com/landing-pages/help-our-recount-effort

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM

AH YES I’VE FOUND THE REAL REASON THAT THE NRCC WON’T FUND RENEE ELLMER’S RECOUNT!!

NRCC is too “politically correct”.

I love that ad by the way!

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:56 PM

I bet Bohner lets Ron Paul have less Pork than Nancy Pelosi did, she let Paul have 3 times what Marxist Sheila Jackson-Lee last year.

There is a reason 3 different Tea Party candidates challenged him, with no money or name recognition and got near 30% of primary vote.

jp on November 4, 2010 at 7:56 PM

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Thanks bro!

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:56 PM

What limited government posers. Fun fact: defense spending is the biggest part of the federal budget outside of entitlements. Anyone serious about reducing the size of government keeps military spending on the table.

Enrique on November 4, 2010 at 7:22 PM

I think I’ve several posts from people here affirming that it IS on the table.

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:57 PM

He is pro-life, but wants the authority to ban abortion returned to the States.

He is pro-gay rights.

He is pro-legalization.

He is pro-Second Amendment, but to my knowledge owns no guns.

He opposes federal funding for church-based initiatives.

In my experience, social conservatism is made of far sterner stuff.

JohnGalt23 on November 4, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Except for gay rights (whatever he considers them to be), this is very main stream social conservative.

neuquenguy on November 4, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Dear Supporters,

Election night, after the ten counties in my district had reported their votes, I led Bob Etheridge by 2,100 votes. (That number is crucial because under North Carolina law Congressman Etheridge is not entitled to an ‘automatic recount’ if he trails by more than 1% – or 1,888 votes.)

Then, yesterday afternoon – unexpectedly – the vote totals changed. The State Board of Elections reported my lead had dropped to 1,600 votes. Two hours later Bob Etheridge announced he intended to call for a recount.

As a result, last night my campaign began hiring attorneys – eleven attorneys in all. One in each county to monitor each recount and an attorney to work with the North Carolina State Board of Elections.

Right now, our best estimate of the minimum cost we face is $50,000. But, of course, my campaign spent every penny we had before the election.

Yesterday, we appealed to the National Republican Congressional Committee for support, asking if they could contribute to help pay the costs of this recount. Their answer, unfortunately, was, No – that we would have to raise the money to pay for the recount ourselves.

I was afraid that would be their answer. Months ago, I went to Washington and asked the National Republican Congressional Committee and many conservative leaders to help my campaign. Many conservative groups – like the Susan B. Anthony List, Concerned Women of America, Freedom Works, and Sarah Palin’s Sarah PAC all helped, but the NRCC declined. Later, they did support other campaigns in North Carolina – which, unfortunately, lost – but we never received their support. In fact, their spokesman told the press “that the campaign wasn’t ready for prime time” – which actually made it even harder for us to raise money. So, I am doubtful we will get support from the NRCC to help with the expense of the recount.

Right now, I lead Bob Etheridge by 1,600 votes. That lead should hold up. But we can’t take anything for granted. We must leave no stone unturned to insure a fair recount. We cannot allow the kind of mishap that happened in Minnesota – when Al Franken was elected – to repeat itself in North Carolina.

This morning my campaign manager set up a special fund – Renee Ellmers for Congress Recount Fund – to pay for the recount. I never dreamed I’d be asking you for another donation two days after the election – but I need to raise $50,000 ‘yesterday.’ The maximum you may give is $2,400. Each contribution – whatever the amount, whether it’s $25, $250, or $500 – is crucial and will be deeply appreciated. Could you send a donation and mail it today? Or, better still, click here, to give on my website.

I apologize for asking for another gift so soon – but I am sure you understand.

As ever, thank you and best wishes.

Renee Ellmers

http://www.reneeforcongress.com/campaign-announcements/conservative-recount-alert-etheridge-asks-for-recount

this is the next battle between the elites and Tea party conservatives folks. The elites do not want another Tea party Rep in Dc to fifht for the repeal of Obamacare. They would rather have the liberal Bob Ethridge than Renee Ethridge. This appears to be the hill they want to fight on. These elites are gutless wonders. She needs $50,000 Sarahpac has already given. Palin is not going to let a Tea party congresswoman twist in the wind. If you all can help. Help

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 7:58 PM

The same government that has the power to enforce your “moral values” has the power to enforce the Democrats’ “moral values” when they are in power. Our government has no business enforcing anyone’s “moral values”, which just ends up being an excuse for whoever is in power to control people and tell them how to live their lives.

You worry about living your life in a way that’ll make your God happy, and I’ll worry about mine. I’m not attacking your choice to live your life by whatever moral code you choose. But where both Republicans and Democrats immediately turn off and lose the support of the other half of the country is when you try to impose your moral code on others.

The first party that truly embraces fiscal sanity and agrees to live and let live when it comes to “moral values” will win in a 50-state landslide.

Argle on November 4, 2010 at 8:02 PM

She needs to set up a website for donations – does she have one?

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 7:44 PM

You can donate here:
http://www.reneeforcongress.com/landing-pages/help-our-recount-effort

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM

I am not saying donating is a waste of time, but I don’t see Ethridge loosing this, if there is one thing the Dems are good at is stealing elections like this, they will do whatever it takes and ultimately succeed. They have it down to a science, the only difficult part was getting the recount in the first place. I truly hope I am wrong in this one, Ethridge losing was the highlight of election night for me.

neuquenguy on November 4, 2010 at 8:04 PM

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 7:58 PM

I just donated $100 bucks – if she gets the word out soon enough – she’ll be rich by tomorrow because the anger at the elites is seething out here and any chance to smack ‘em around will be gladly accepted!

Let’s make sure she makes it to DC to vote out some “good ole boy” leadership!

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 8:05 PM

neuquenguy on November 4, 2010 at 8:04 PM

It’s okay – I don’t mind fighting losing fights as long as they are on PRINCIPLE. This woman needs support – she’s ahead in the final count by a thousand votes – somebody on our side needs to help her. If the NRCC won’t do it – well …

We don’t leave soldiers on the field without support. Obviously not a core value of the NRCC just yet – but we’ll have the keys to that castle soon enough.

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 8:07 PM

I just donated $100 bucks – if she gets the word out soon enough – she’ll be rich by tomorrow because the anger at the elites is seething out here and any chance to smack ‘em around will be gladly accepted!

Let’s make sure she makes it to DC to vote out some “good ole boy” leadership!

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Thank you Honda! Does anybody know if there is anything we can do besides donating? Seeing Al Franken get hundreds of extra votes every week was such an incredibly frustrating thing to go through, I hope this is not a repeat.

neuquenguy on November 4, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Let’s make sure she makes it to DC to vote out some “good ole boy” leadership!

HondaV65 on November 4, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Well Palin sent a couple tweets out. Sarahpac also. the RNC steele is now helping per Dan Reilh. this is really criminal what the NRCC is trying to do.

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 8:10 PM

jp on November 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Au contraire, are you not even remotely familiar with what precisely a classical liberal is? And you use legalisation as your foil? You cannot be serious.

Lord Acton, David Hume, Adam Smith, Isacc Newton, Espinoza, Aristotle, Da vinci, etc. were classical liberals. Not to mention Goldwater & William F Buckley jr. and they all espoused getting religion out of governance. and to use legalisation of pot as your example is unfathomable

As it stands now pot is not even prescibable, yet cocaine is given to you every time you get a rootcanal, and herion every time you go into surgery, just marketed under different names like Novacaine & Morphine.

Pot is not a debilitive drug, no-one every gets falling down stoned, but most everyone has has seen someone lose their navigational abilties deprived from them from alchohol from such highly supervised and regulated facilities such as 7/11. Where is the logic in that?

Classical libralism and modern conservatism is based upon personal responsibilty, not gov’t being responsible for making your choices for you. Like whether caffiene, alcohol, niccotine, novacaine or morphine are acceptable or not.

Archimedes on November 4, 2010 at 8:10 PM

What some of you are missing is that when they say in that letter ‘traditional moral values’ they mean STOPPING THE LEFT FROM USING GOV’T RESOURCES TO ATTACK TRADITIONAL MORALS.

Which, if you have been, you know, PAYING ATTENTION for the past 40 years or so, you would realize is EXACTLY WHAT THE LEFT HAS BEEN DOING.

They use the organs and bureaucracy of government to attack the family, fund and encourage THEIR brand of morality and when conservatives try to fight back…………

we get people screaming in our ears for us to stop and not bother.

Well tough shit.

We ARE going to fight for those things. We ARE going to get Lefists to stop using the power of GOVERNMENT to propagandize for their bullshit.

You got a problem with that? We don’t care.

manofaiki on November 4, 2010 at 6:47 PM

This.

Furthermore, the “traditional moral values” that are being referred to are things like protecting children from the pedophiles/perverts masquerading as “teachers” (you don’t think obama has overreached the constitution and sound morals by appointing well known homosexual/pedophile enabler “czar” Kevin Jennings? Oh, I forgot, it’s a moral issue, I guess we should just shut up and let the Left keep him on); protecting the institution of marriage and most importantly, protecting the lives of ALL citizens of this great nation, born and unborn.

And all of these qunitessentially, traditionally American moral principles have been violently and with great success assaulted by the Left using the force of Government and OUR tax dollars.

Get a clue Vyce and SgtV. We are not worthy of our “liberty and justice for all” credo if the murder of 40 million unborn continues unabated. Abortion is a hideous indictment on how far we have fallen. What a clean, fresh, decent thing it would be to protect these innocents from the savagery of abortion with a Human Life Amendment.

If you think that murder should be legal in some states and not others, then you should just be honest and admit that you are a pro-abort.

Because trying the lame sell that the principle of states rights is superior to the principle of the right to life would be ridiculous if it weren’t so dangerous.

NOTHING trumps the right to life.

And when you start putting other “principles” ahead of that sovereign right, you have aligned yourself with dictators and tyrants throughout history who have done the same.

America was not founded on any right to kill another human being. We have abolished the “right” to own another human being. Maybe we should bring that back and leave it up to the states to decide. Oh, wait. We fought a civil war which killed over 600,000 to deny state’s rights to slavery.

So, if states rights to baby killing is what you’re after, then you will have the fight of your life from me and many more like me.

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 8:12 PM

neuquenguy on November 4, 2010 at 8:10 PM

The reason they get away with it is because they do it in the shadows like the 453 votes they “found” last night. national attention will I think give a fair recount but we need the courts to order those 453 votes not to count. we get those votes out we win. No recount. no way for them to mess with it

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Jeez. Aren’t they already doing what this letter demands? I think Boehner and McConnell have been uber-fantastic. This pushy, demanding letter makes them sound like attention hos.

Buy Danish on November 4, 2010 at 8:15 PM

Thank you Honda! Does anybody know if there is anything we can do besides donating? Seeing Al Franken get hundreds of extra votes every week was such an incredibly frustrating thing to go through, I hope this is not a repeat.

neuquenguy on November 4, 2010 at 8:10 PM

just get the word out for now I think attention at the national level and money are the most important things at the moment. We need to shine the light on these thieves

unseen on November 4, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Pot is not a debilitive drug, no-one every gets falling down stoned, but most everyone has has seen someone lose their navigational abilties deprived from them from alchohol from such highly supervised and regulated facilities such as 7/11. Where is the logic in that?

Archimedes

Pot is addictive, stores itself in the fatty tissues, one joint has the destructive nature of 20 cigarettes, it is known as the “gateway” drug because so many young kids get started with it, and once the drug barrier is crossed, go on to destroy their lives with other drugs. The THC levels in the reefer of today is many times as potent as it was twenty years ago. Great advances in plant husbandry and all. The high is much more potent as is the pot because of this. Pot also causes one’s driving abilities and reflexes to become impaired and driving while high can kill as easily as driving while drunk or “buzzed” on a few drinks. It is known as an incredible de-motivator and those who smoke regularly, and they are legion, are underacheivers who are known as “burnouts”, “potheads” and “stoners” for good reason. The regular use of pot will effectively keep you from doing anything much with your life, if you’re lucky enough to just remain a pothead and don’t join the legions who need something more…

Just the fact that a madman like George Soros was pushing so hard for it’s legalization should tell you something, unless you’re too high to take notice. As any good communist knows, a population must be drunk, drugged and promiscuous to be a population easily controlled. Communism 101 – any community organizer could have told you that.

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM

protecting the institution of marriage
tigerlily

This means what exactly? Can you show me this institution on the map? Can you point out where marriage is mentioned in the constitution?
Excuse me because when you start telling two men or two women they can’t marry simply because you don’t like them, guess what? You’re the dictator! There is no true CONSERVATIVE reason to ban gay marriage! None! It does not affect the populace, it does not affect those who do not partake in it. If you don’t like it move to North Korea or Iran and you wont have to worry about it.

Zaggs on November 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM

neuquenguy on November 4, 2010 at 8:04 PM

I know we Republicans hate science and all (/sarc) but, there’s nothing stopping us from getting as good at stopping them from stealing elections as they are at stealing them.

I’m happy to support anyone willing to actually stand up and fight rather than roll over and play dead just so no one accuses them of being mean.

JadeNYU on November 4, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Let’s forget the moral crap, OK?
Let’s leave the moral crap up to the states.
I don’t agree in abortion, either, but let’s focus on the powers specified in the Constitution for the federal govt, shall we?
Leave the rest up to the states.

Badger40 on November 4, 2010 at 8:46 PM

1.) No, judges should be appointed by the President. Direct elections of Senators caused enough of the eroding of Federalism-we damn well don’t need any more. In fact anyone think its a good idea to remove the 17th Amendment while we’re at it to try and restore some of the power to States?
SgtSVJones on November 4, 2010 at 7:51 PM

I would keep the current setup in the Constitution, but there needs to be a way for the people to eject bad judges. They can rationalize anything with their legalisms. On gay marriage and gays in the military, it is the radical left activist gays and other leftists who are the aggressors.

2.) I believe Bush was right to do what he did in invading Iraq & A-stan.
SgtSVJones on November 4, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Yes, I agree, but I do not believe in using the military for nation-building and target practice for terrorists. Kill the leaders, kill the regime, then leave. The moose-lems will learn that if they spread jihad, their lives will end or become more miserable.

Feedie on November 4, 2010 at 8:47 PM

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM

I don’t wanna bust your drug bubble here dear, but there are mushrooms out there, probably growing in your yard, that can make you extremely high.
I don’t want to live in a state that has legalized pot etc.
But then I can move away.
We can’t get stuck on this stuff.
What really matters here is what specific powers are enumerated to the federal govt in the Const.
The 10th leaves the rest of it to the states.

Badger40 on November 4, 2010 at 8:48 PM

In fact anyone think its a good idea to remove the 17th Amendment while we’re at it to try and restore some of the power to States?
SgtSVJones on November 4, 2010 at 7:51 PM

I personally think the 17th is what got rid of a lot of accountability in DC.
If a Congressman knew their state legislature could recall them at any moment, they’d do a lot better job I would wager. Bcs those state legislators are getting their feet held to the fire by their next door neighbors. They’re not living in DC.
My District senator lives not too far from me.
He coached my daughter in basketball & used to be the school board president.
And he’ll hear from me if it’s necessary.

Badger40 on November 4, 2010 at 8:51 PM

There goes Allah stirring up the sh!t again and no one has even had time to catch their breath. Allah, is it all just about how many comments you can get these days in your threads? You really are starting to sound like a (conservative) liberal, if that’s even possible. So far I have been hearing the right things but we all know that actions speak louder and we are all watching. Now let’s give them a chance and if the Tea Party wants to put out an ultimatum then so be it. If you want more details than ask them instead of criticizing their lack of specificity, in your opinion. The election is over and I believe that we are all suppose to be on the same side.

And as a 50 something Tea Partier, yes we know that something has to be done about SS and Medicare but it needs to be phased out. It wouldn’t be very fair to just cut it off cold for those that payed in all their life with no option of non-participation. No one minded spending away all that money and leaving IOU’s in the account instead. I don’t pretend to have the answers but for starters they need to raise the retirement age and stop new enrollment while they figure out how to deal with those in the middle. Of course that would mean less tax money coming in so I’m not holding my breath on that one.

New Patriot on November 4, 2010 at 8:53 PM

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Sir or Madam:

I will say this as nicely as I can.

Do not tell me that I am “pro-abort”.
And good God do not tell me that I am “protecting” pedophiles because it’s a “moral issue”.

I have the utmost respect for the life a child might lead. But guess what? I have had experiences that change my all or nothing view on abortion.

Because I value her privacy and the trust between myself and the woman I love I’m not going into any details here.

Suffice to say your comments struck a very raw, real, and painful nerve.

Also FYI: Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing.
Nor are they even REMOTELY RELATED.
NO.
WHERE.
NEAR.

And yes I have seen
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32472

Also

Badger40 on November 4, 2010 at 8:51 PM

I think we agree.

SgtSVJones on November 4, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Let’s forget the moral crap, OK?
Let’s leave the moral crap up to the states.
I don’t agree in abortion, either, but let’s focus on the powers specified in the Constitution for the federal govt, shall we?
Leave the rest up to the states.

Badger40 on November 4, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Thank goodness somebody here has some sense, despite how the thread got derailed.

RushBaby on November 4, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Yes, I agree, but I do not believe in using the military for nation-building and target practice for terrorists. Kill the leaders, kill the regime, then leave. The moose-lems will learn that if they spread jihad, their lives will end or become more miserable.

Feedie on November 4, 2010 at 8:47 PM

That was kind of my point.

SgtSVJones on November 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM

What some of you are missing is that when they say in that letter ‘traditional moral values’ they mean STOPPING THE LEFT FROM USING GOV’T RESOURCES TO ATTACK TRADITIONAL MORALS.

Which, if you have been, you know, PAYING ATTENTION for the past 40 years or so, you would realize is EXACTLY WHAT THE LEFT HAS BEEN DOING.

manofaiki on November 4, 2010 at 6:47 PM

If you think that murder should be legal in some states and not others, then you should just be honest and admit that you are a pro-abort.

Because trying the lame sell that the principle of states rights is superior to the principle of the right to life would be ridiculous if it weren’t so dangerous.

NOTHING trumps the right to life.

America was not founded on any right to kill another human being. We have abolished the “right” to own another human being. Maybe we should bring that back and leave it up to the states to decide. Oh, wait. We fought a civil war which killed over 600,000 to deny state’s rights to slavery.

So, if states rights to baby killing is what you’re after, then you will have the fight of your life from me and many more like me.

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Count me in the fight, sister.

For everyone saying the Feds should only concern themselves with what is in the Constitution, the 5th ammendment says no one is to be deprived of life without due process. And the founding of this country’s Declaration of Independence says all people have inalienable God-given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Abortion is cold-blooded murder. It is a baby. If it isn’t a baby then you aren’t pregnant.

mrsmwp on November 4, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Good lord, someone is being intentionally obtuse.

james23 on November 4, 2010 at 9:17 PM

I don’t wanna bust your drug bubble here dear, but there are mushrooms out there, probably growing in your yard, that can make you extremely high….

Badger40 on November 4, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Can you help me identify the right ones?

slickwillie2001 on November 4, 2010 at 9:18 PM

The same government that has the power to enforce your “moral values” has the power to enforce the Democrats’ “moral values” when they are in power. Our government has no business enforcing anyone’s “moral values”, which just ends up being an excuse for whoever is in power to control people and tell them how to live their lives.

You worry about living your life in a way that’ll make your God happy, and I’ll worry about mine. I’m not attacking your choice to live your life by whatever moral code you choose. But where both Republicans and Democrats immediately turn off and lose the support of the other half of the country is when you try to impose your moral code on others.

The first party that truly embraces fiscal sanity and agrees to live and let live when it comes to “moral values” will win in a 50-state landslide.

Argle on November 4, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Bravo, Argle. What some people seem unable to understand is when they insist upon the “pure” fiscal and “moral” conservative – often what they end up with is a liberal Democrat. They can’t see what their true choice actually is.

pbundy on November 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Can you help me identify the right ones?

slickwillie2001 on November 4, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Ha! That was my first thought too.

mrsmwp on November 4, 2010 at 9:39 PM

protecting the institution of marriage

So, if states rights to baby killing is what you’re after, then you will have the fight of your life from me and many more like me.
tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Except these are “fights” you’ve already lost.

Abortion rights are the reality. They’re not going to go away. This overturn of Roe v. Wade that every social con salivates for whenever a Republican president gets the chance to nominate a Supreme Court Justice? It is never going to happen.

And gay marriage is already allowable in some jurisdictions, and will likely be a federally recognized right in our lifetimes.

This is the flaw in a hardcore push for social conservative ideals: the pendulum only swings one way. The country has been moving to a more socially liberal position for decades. It’s not going to swing back the other way. You start trying to overturn abortion, and watch what happens to all of those independents you THOUGHT were on your side.

Vyce on November 4, 2010 at 9:55 PM

The pendulum only swings one way? Somebody’s whistling past the graveyard 1980 & 1994…

cs89 on November 4, 2010 at 10:05 PM

Vyce on November 4, 2010 at 9:55 PM

I don’t live my life worrying about independents or any other artificially cobbled “group” of persons “being on my side”. I live my life in the hopes that what I do with it will keep me on the side of Christ.

And, I KNOW, as do you and any other man or woman who has not totally lost their sense of decency, compassion and humanity, that to kill an unborn child is committing one of the most grave offenses that one human being can possibly commit against another.

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM

don’t wanna bust your drug bubble here dear, but there are mushrooms out there, probably growing in your yard, that can make you extremely high….

Badger40 on November 4, 2010 at 8:48 PM

I don’t know, sweetheart, what mushrooms in my yard have to do with what I posted….are you high right now?

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Count me in the fight, sister.

For everyone saying the Feds should only concern themselves with what is in the Constitution, the 5th ammendment says no one is to be deprived of life without due process. And the founding of this country’s Declaration of Independence says all people have inalienable God-given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Abortion is cold-blooded murder. It is a baby. If it isn’t a baby then you aren’t pregnant.

mrsmwp on November 4, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Thanks for the post, mrsmwp. I don’t know how some conservatives keep up the cognitive dissonance, unless they aren’t really pro-life, in which case they should step up and say so.

If they aren’t willing to protect the right to life for ALL Americans, not because they really don’t care whether babies are murdered or not, you understand, but because State’s rights are so much more important (thanks for the extra lesson on how that “state’s rights” dog won’t hunt with your reference to the 5th Amendement, if they needed more than the Declaration of Independence) they need to demand that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 be repealed and let the states decide how they will deal with the lesser rights (as compared to the right to life) regarding discrimination based on race, gender, etc. To be consistent, they also need to stop asking for the Feds to stop stealing from them, because they are foisting the Jewish Commandments prohibiting theft and covetousness on other citizens who may not agree that it is immoral to steal. Indeed, in obama’s mind, “redistribution of wealth (theft) is a virtue not a vice. Who are we to force the morality of the Ten Commandments on our Federal Government? Let the states decide, as in whether we should take unborn lives, let the states decide. Oh, wait. It’s about our money. Oh, that’s different. It’s so much more important than some unborn child’s life.

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 10:27 PM

SgtSVJones on November 4, 2010 at 8:56 PM

You have my condolences SgtSV. I hope that you will find your way into applying your sad experience in a way that will protect all unborn babies and parents, no matter what state they may be living in.

The unborn are the most defenseless and innocent persons among us and a nation that allows their destruction is a nation that will fall. Good Lord, we all have recognized the fall happening to our great nation at breakneck speed. And we have been given a last chance, but it won’t be a lasting chance if all it is built upon is concern for our financial well being.

While fiscal matters are vitally important, maybe we should recognize the correlation between the politicians of the past 40 years who have been pro-aborts and their criminal dishonesty. It is no suprise that obama and his cohorts are all violently pro-abortion. They are the crowning glory of America’s abortion culture. And if they can kill children, why should they care about lying to the point of psychotic disassociation, ripping us off and then destroying everything beautiful and good? Isn’t that what abortion does, only to a degree of ruination that boggles the senses and sickens the soul?

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 10:42 PM

The pendulum only swings one way? Somebody’s whistling past the graveyard 1980 & 1994…

cs89 on November 4, 2010 at 10:05 PM

Great point, cs89. Let’s include 2010.

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 10:44 PM

The problem with SS and Medicare is not that folks are getting paid more than they put in. One would expect that they would have, given that they should expect a reasonable interest rate.

The problem is that both of these programs are completely insolvent. They’re a safe deposit box filled with IOUs. They’ve been long raided by bureaucrats and legislators and represent nothing more than a revenue stream for government bloat.

You want to fix it? Tell the rest of us that we aren’t getting ours. Sunset the tax once the last ship sails. Jack the starting age to 70 and increase it by 5 years every 10. Let the damned thing die.

Then drop capital gains to 5%. Watch the rest of us take care of ourselves.

spmat on November 4, 2010 at 11:00 PM

P.S. to SgtSVJones — fyi there are some excellent post abortion counseling organizations around. Two I can think of are called Project Rachel and Rachel’s Vineyard. They are for men and women.

tigerlily on November 4, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Open letter to McConnell and Boehner from top conservatives: It’s time to stand up for core principles

We elected them to push for, and pass, Republican and Conservative ideals that have been proved time after time to be beneficial to all Americans. If they can’t do that, they are pretty much useless to us and we will find others who can get the job done.

They also have to ask themselves, was it better under “moderate” leadership without a single lever of power in Washington, or is it better now with a strong Republican and Conservative wind at their back and real power at their fingertips?

RJL on November 4, 2010 at 11:42 PM

The Left has used academia and the bureaucracy they’ve set up in the schools to not just ENFORCE their morality, but also to propagandize for it.

They have used their control of the State to set in place and defend their views on moral questions such as gay rights, abortion, marriage, etc.

Now, you may want to let them do that. In fact, you may want to let them KEEP doing that while you just focus on the dollars and cents of government.

Nobody here is talking about using those same government methods to enforce CONSERVATIVE morality on the nation.

HOWEVER, there are a lot of people who ARE focused on stopping the LEFT from CONTINUING to use them NOW.

And if every time we bring this up, you are gonna yell ignorant knee-jerk shit at us like “Hey man, keep YOUR morality out of government!” we are just gonna keep ignoring you and fighting the good fight.

Capisce?

manofaiki on November 5, 2010 at 1:04 AM

manofaiki on November 5, 2010 at 1:04 AM

Thank you very much! I couldn’t have said it better.

It’s amazing how many people, especially on this forum, keep missing the point!

Liberals are the ones that are attacking our “traditional values” – and yes, every society has those. Social conservatives have been forced to play defense on a whole host of issues from abortion to marriage and you accuse us of forcing our viewpoints on the nation?

When those judges in Iowa voted to legalize gay marriage, did the majority of those in the state approve? Didn’t a similar thing happen in California with judges overturning the will of the majority and you talk of imposing? Who? The minority on the majority or vice-versa.

Is it too much to ask that the life of the unborn be held sacred and not be subject to the whims of some individuals? If the majority of those in a society vote to retain marriage in its traditional form, can this be respected instead of shopping round for an overzealous judge to overturn it?

TheRightMan on November 5, 2010 at 1:46 AM

ladyingray on November 4, 2010 at 7:29 PM

If you accrue the interest on what they paid in for over forty years you would see a staggering sum they never ever get back.

For those who pay the max every year it’s enough to make you choke up.

dogsoldier on November 5, 2010 at 7:05 AM

If Michele Bachmann and other TP conservatives don’t get a seat at the grown up’s table, Boehner’s speakership might be over before it starts.

Mr. Grump on November 5, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Here’s the SILVER BULLET to fix a multitude of fiscal issues (at the state and Federal levels):

CLOSE THE BORDER!!!!

Fixes Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, and inflation (depressed from years of “cheap labor” that the U.S. has benefited from).

There you go, whiners (about the debt/deficits/how you can’t cut anything) in D.C…………

PappyD61 on November 5, 2010 at 9:06 AM

IMHO:
Good for them sending the letter. It IS a shot across the bow of RINOs. The exact nature of the ‘threat’ implied remains to be seen, based on how badly Boehner, McConnell and Cantor may try to ‘eff’ things up. It seems to me that the conservative “TP” authors are remembering the previous mandates for smaller conservative government that the then GOP establishment didn’t act on or got lazy and corrupt like Dems. The GOP is famous for making promises they don’t keep. Ex: “Read my lips…..”

Respectfully AP, I think your NYC left leaning moderate conservative sensibilities are over reacting to Tea Party types’ image among the ‘sophisticates’ of the NE as unwashed bigots out to impose a theocracy blah, blah. Try to relax and let these guys hash things out. I promise I will not let the ‘Theocrats’ burn you at the stake once we take over. (Just some friendly humor there.)

JimP on November 5, 2010 at 10:47 AM

What needs to be done on spending:

Prioritize. Break the budget down to line items (in the military part, a lot of line items) and rank them all. When you have a prioritized list, go down it until you run out of revenue, then stop.

The one thing that has to be on top is pay for the Title III judges (The Constitution prohibits reducing their pay while they are in office).

If Social Security is untouchable, that just means more things fall off of the bottom of the list.

This will bring home that the budget is a limited resource, and people (not just Congress) have to start making decisions about what’s important.

LarryD on November 5, 2010 at 10:55 AM

This is the flaw in a hardcore push for social conservative ideals: the pendulum only swings one way. The country has been moving to a more socially liberal position for decades. It’s not going to swing back the other way. You start trying to overturn abortion, and watch what happens to all of those independents you THOUGHT were on your side.

Vyce

Somebody hasn’t been paying attention lately.

For those of you who think morality plays no role in maintaining a civil society, well, clearly you’re losing your minds. May as well stop lying to yourselves, make the journey complete and register as democrats.

xblade on November 5, 2010 at 5:27 PM

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