More PPP: Rossi ahead in WA, Kirk up in IL

posted at 11:02 am on November 1, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Democrats may have hoped for a Senate firewall in Illinois, where Barack Obama’s term will get completed by a special election, and in Washington, where Patty Murray looked safe just a couple of months ago. Instead, PPP shows Republicans with slight edges in both states.  Rossi leads by one in Washington, thanks in no small part to Murray’s favorable rating suddenly doing a backflip:

Every time PPP has polled the Washington Senate race this year it’s found the race to be within 2 or 3 points and our final poll there is no exception. But there is one twist- for the first time we find Dino Rossi leading Patty Murray, by a 50-48 margin.

Neither candidate has much in the way of support across party lines- Rossi’s winning 93% of Republicans and Murray’s winning 91% of Democrats. That means independents, as they are in so many races across the country, are making the difference for the GOP here. Rossi leads Murray with them by a 54-42 margin.

The most worrisome number for Murray within the poll, beyond her small overall disadvantage, is that among voters who say they’ve already returned their ballots Rossi’s advantage is wider at 52-47. Murray’s ability to keep the race close is predicated on the 24% of respondents who have not yet done so returning their ballots. That group supports her by a 51-45 margin.

That is a lot more important in Washington than anywhere else.  Most of the voting in the state takes place by mail.  If Rossi leads among those who have already sent their ballots by mail, and 76% of the likely voters have already sent theirs, that leaves very little room for Murray to regain ground.

They’re not going to be terribly motivated to help Murray in any case.  Her favorable rating has gone to 44/51, a bad place to be for an incumbent in this election cycle.  Rossi doesn’t exactly set the world on fire, either, with a 45/46 rating, but he has the fortune of being a Republican in a good year for the GOP, and not being the incumbent while the electorate fumes at the Beltway establishment.

In Illinois, Mark Kirk has finally moved out to a four-point lead, boosted mainly by independents and strong party unity among GOP voters, and Republican gubernatorial nominee Bill Brady has a five-point lead over Pat Quinn:

Republicans continue to lead the races for both Governor and Senator in Illinois, albeit by close margins. Mark Kirk is ahead of Alexi Giannoulias 46-42 for the state’s open Senate seat and Bill Brady is ahead of Pat Quinn 45-40 for Governor. …

-Independents are leaning strongly toward the GOP. Kirk leads Giannoulias 46-31 with them and Brady has a 45-27 advantage over Quinn with them.

-Republican voters are much more unified around their candidates this year than Democrats are. 87% of GOP identifiers are planning to vote for Kirk while only 78% of Democrats are planning to vote for Giannoulias. In the Governor’s race 86% of Republicans support Brady while Quinn’s only getting 75% support from his party.

-Republican voters are much more likely to head to the polls this year than Democrats. In 2008 Barack Obama won Illinois by 25 points. Those who say they’re likely to vote this year only supported him by 14 points. That’s a strong indication that many of the voters who were a part of the Obama ‘wave’ are staying at home this year.

This race is doubly important, because the winner will get seated immediately.  It’s both a regular and special election for the seat won by Obama in 2004, thanks to a ruling in federal court that Illinois had to hold a special election to replace Roland Burris rather than let him serve the last two months of Obama’s term.  Adding a Republican in this seat will allow the GOP to hold the line in any lame-duck session of Congress.  The same is true for races in West Virginia and Delaware, and it now looks like the GOP can pick up at least two of the three, which will change the Senate’s balance significantly in the next two months.

PPP also shows some good news for Republicans in California, although not as good as Republicans would like:

The contests for Senate and Governor in California have tightened over the final week of the campaign, although the Democratic candidates still retain the lead in both races. Barbara Boxer is up 50-46 on Carly Fiorina for the Senate, while Jerry Brown is ahead of Meg Whitman by a 51-46 margin for Governor.

Boxer leads despite posting atrocious approval numbers in this final poll at 40% of voters happy with her job performance and 50% displeased. Fortunately for her Californians aren’t real enamored with Fiorina either- only 42% rate her favorably to 44% with a negative opinion. Boxer’s position right now might be a lot more perilous if she had drawn a stronger opponent.

We will have a long night Tuesday going into Wednesday morning watching this race.  If the Republican tsunami breaks early in the East, it may impact enthusiasm on the West Coast and either discourage Democrats or encourage more Republicans to join the “throw the bums out” project.  It will all come down to turnout in any case, but it’s hard to imagine that Boxer will get any relative enthusiasm for continuing her incumbency in a state with 12.4% unemployment and a collapsing economy.


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third time’s a charm for Dino. He wont let them steal it this time.

joepub on November 1, 2010 at 11:08 AM

…for the first time we find Dino Rossi leading Patty Murray, by a 50-48 margin.

My collie says:

Oh please. Oh please.

We have to wait until the Democrats count the dead voters, collie.

My collie says:

*whine* The republic is lost.

CyberCipher on November 1, 2010 at 11:08 AM

They also show Angle up, albeit barely, with Reid ahead among those who’ve already bvoted.

changer1701 on November 1, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Please let Rossi Win. Please Allah.

Mr. Joe on November 1, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Oh Baby Allah, rid us of the curse of Patty Murray. Send her sneakers away from the halls of the Senate. Of this we wish and pray.

Mr. Joe on November 1, 2010 at 11:09 AM

If the Republican tsunami breaks early in the East, it may impact enthusiasm on the West Coast and either discourage Democrats or encourage more Republicans to join the “throw the bums out” project.

That’s what I’m hoping.

rbj on November 1, 2010 at 11:09 AM

OPERATION “TOSS THE BUMS OUT!”

Commencing Tuesday morning!

Be there or be square!

pilamaye on November 1, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Pleeeeease let Murray get beat.

Because they have to give time for the mail-in ballots to arrive (and to *find* ballots in the back rooms at King County), this will be a nail-biter no matter what the polls say.

WannabeAnglican on November 1, 2010 at 11:10 AM

The wave can do it. It can push Rossi to victory. The only thing we have to worry about is the massive voter fraud machine in Washington state. It’s a well honed, well oiled machine with many legitimate Republican winners under it’s belt.

darwin on November 1, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Today is the “money shot” for all the big-name pollsters.

Very important, meaningful numbers to watch.

Bat Chain Puller on November 1, 2010 at 11:11 AM

I sure hope the IL polls are correct — or, better yet, underestimate the Kirk support. For a long time there weren’t many Alexi signs out here. I had thought that even the partisan Democrats here would draw the line. But very recently they’ve put their Alexi signs up. It appears that liberals will vote for any Democrat, under any circumstance. I really don’t want to be “represented” by a de facto member of the Mafia.

jwolf on November 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Rossi needs a nice comfortable margin. Ideally, he’d be in a much stronger position right now as the second-term Governor of Washington, but sadly, the Dems saw fit to steal away what he had rightfully won.

KingGold on November 1, 2010 at 11:13 AM

What is happening on the east coast will not affect WA State because it has all mail-in voting. Most of the voting has been delivered or in the mail today.

Voter from WA State on November 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM

You’re right. I forgot. The voter fraud machine is probably starting up right now.

darwin on November 1, 2010 at 11:14 AM

firewalls are burning.

ted c on November 1, 2010 at 11:14 AM

I don’t know. I feel like Charlie Brown and PPP is Lucy holding the football. It’s scary– like it’s too good to be true.

MayBee on November 1, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Can we conclude that Rossi did not win because he did not have the blessings of Sarah Palin? They froze her out of this race and he could not win. Simple as that. I wonder why this narrative isn’t being spun.

promachus on November 1, 2010 at 11:16 AM

It will all come down to turnout in any case, but it’s hard to imagine that Boxer will get any relative enthusiasm for continuing her incumbency in a state with 12.4% unemployment and a collapsing economy.

Many residents of California have developed the same attitude that New York City residents and politicians had in the early 1970s, when they were lurching towards bankruptcy — a combination of “We’re Special,” and “The rest of the country owes us for all we do for them”. Which means they still think they’re going to get the other 49 states via the federal government to bail them out and subsidize their lavish spending on public sector salaries and benefits.

They may find out differently that their state is not “Too big to fail,” but it does explain why there would still be enthusiasm in California for either Boxer or Brow.

jon1979 on November 1, 2010 at 11:17 AM

1-2% lead in Washington is definitely not outside the margin of fraud. A Republican here has to win by at least 5% to overcome fraud.

When Rossi lost on the 2nd recount in the Governors race we had Acorn registration fraud and packing the voting booths with unregistered voters. Homeless “John Doe” voters listing the county courthouse as their address and providing no form of id. Ineligible voters (felons, illegals, etc) whose ballots got mixed in with everyone else, so even though fraud was discovered it couldn’t be corrected. Democrat controlled vote counting in King county, where we so write ins for “Chris Rossi” counted as a clear vote for Christine Gregroire. And the typical vote counting will continue until we find enough votes to change the outcome to the democrat.

Elfvis on November 1, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Close elections in states like WA and IL require vigilance from those who care about free and fair elections. Ds are infamous for their ability to manufacture votes in close elections. Volunteer to be a poll watcher! Safeguard all honest votes and voters, regardless of party, and keep those who would steal our democracy at bay.

Sheerq on November 1, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Build the wave higher … VOTE

tarpon on November 1, 2010 at 11:17 AM

jwolf on November 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Alexi and Quinn signs are a lot less prevalent relative to Kirk and Brady signs on the south side. Probably can count the number of Quinn signs in Frankfort with just my right thumb. Alexi…no digits required.

WashJeff on November 1, 2010 at 11:17 AM

PPP also has the MN Governor race at +3 Dayton. Digging into the numbers finds some good news:
They have the following breakdown in their poll:

Democrat – 36%
Republican – 31%
Independent/Other – 33%

The 2008 exit polls, in which the Repubs had a down year, had the following breakdown:

Democrat – 40%
Republican – 36%
Independent/Other – 25%

So, we’re to believe that this year Dems will turn out lower by 4% (a relative drop of 10%), and the Repubs will have an even larger drop of 5% (a relative drop of just under 14%)? Zero chance at that happening.

strictnein on November 1, 2010 at 11:18 AM

don’t worry dems, the enormous wave that’s coming onshore in the next 18 hours will douse your burning firewalls.

ted c on November 1, 2010 at 11:19 AM

PPP also delivered some bad news about WV last night. I don’t know. The next two days might present an information-overload thingy. The only polls that count now are ballot boxes. I’m voting today. Everyone, please vote. Good luck.

joejm65 on November 1, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Ever have that sinking feeling down in your gut when you suddenly realize that you’ve made a really big mistake and everyone’s going to know about it?

That feeling will be epidemic in the Democrat Party tomorrow night.

SlaveDog on November 1, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Adding a Republican in this seat will allow the GOP to hold the line in any lame-duck session of Congress. The same is true for races in West Virginia and Delaware, and it now looks like the GOP can pick up at least two of the three, which will change the Senate’s balance significantly in the next two months.

That will help, so that when the Senators from Maine, and Senator Brown, get wobbly near the end of the year, we will still have the numbers to overcome their Obama-favorable votes…

golfer1 on November 1, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Murray’s corrosive mug etched my computer screen from the reverse side. That dirty ‘Rat.

viking01 on November 1, 2010 at 11:29 AM

RCP also moved the Fiorina-Boxer race back into the toss-up column this weekend, where last week is was in the “leans-Dem”………..help send Boxer home for the holidays—vote for Carly Fiorina.

Rovin on November 1, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Can we conclude that Rossi did not win because he did not have the blessings of Sarah Palin?

That would make no difference AT ALL in WA. In fact, it could hurt him if Palin endorsed him. The leading Tea Party favorite, Clint Didier, did endorse him. I know he did. I know people who know him very well (neighbors to him).

Agree. Didier publicly endorsed him. Palin also made a call at the grassroots to fully support him. She even mentioned Rossi at least twice, I think.

The statistics have indicated that. But WA is a blue state. That’s the reality.

TheAlamos on November 1, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Palin even mentioned Rossi’s race at least twice on TV, I think.

TheAlamos on November 1, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Don’t know what this means, if anything: I’m in the very lefty west side of Los Angeles. During the last election, Obama yard signs & bumper stickers were everywhere. So far, I’ve seen exactly one Jerry Brown bumper sticker and not a single yard sign.

Ed, I do hope the tsunami breaks so enormous that the libtards get discouraged and don’t bother to vote.

surfhut on November 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM

WA is all mail in voting.

Who controls the mail? The USPS.

What union do USPS workers belong to? SEIU

If you think for a minute they will allow Rossi to win, you’re dreaming.

angryed on November 1, 2010 at 11:36 AM

On the other hand, I wonder how many Californians will vote solely for the purpose of passing Prop. 19. I think most of them will vote for Moonbean and Box of Rocks.

surfhut on November 1, 2010 at 11:37 AM

No, King and Pierce counties are blue. The rest of the state basically pays for all their decisions.

WitchDoctor on November 1, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Rossi’s is the key race for a Republican majority.

Be The Wave, Oregonians.

Dusty on November 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Lets hope for a good GOP start tomorrow to potentially depress Democrat turnout here in California.
I have not seen one Boxer sign and I live in an area that was covered with them 6 years ago. Now I hate the yard sign analogy, but Boxer has no buzz going for her, which is new.
Also, people here are not happy about the Pot legalization proposition and they will vote for Carly.

jjshaka on November 1, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Semi-OT: TV station does NOT air COD’s 30 min messages !!
OMG !! http://twitter.com/ChristineOD/status/29375641883

pambi on November 1, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Rossi needs a nice comfortable margin. Ideally, he’d be in a much stronger position right now as the second-term Governor of Washington, but sadly, the Dems saw fit to steal away what he had rightfully won.

KingGold on November 1, 2010 at 11:13 AM

A few months after that election, a significant majority of Washington residents believed that Gregoire had stolen the election. That had to include many democratics.

slickwillie2001 on November 1, 2010 at 11:55 AM

TV station does NOT air COD’s 30 min messages !!

pambi on November 1, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Allah’s first post of the day served on a silver platter.

pain train on November 1, 2010 at 11:56 AM

I have been stunned at the lack of emphasis on the special election here in Illinois and the fact that, whoever wins that is seated immediately. It has enormous implications for the lame duck, yet that fact is rarely mentioned.

Another thing I’d add is that there seems to be little enthusiasm for either person… Kirk shot himself i the foot, too, through his embroidery (lies?!) about his military record.

lizzieillinois on November 1, 2010 at 11:58 AM

California worries me because Democrats can tank their state and then plead for a bailout. California more than any other state (actually New York too who really is in the same boat) can leverage themselves as critical to the US and I think that is what their politicians with their arrogance expect to do. Jerry Brown WILL NOT be able to turn them around unless he acts like a Republican and balances their extreme liberalism and loyalty to the unions. This is a cancer for the country and as much as I would like to say “f*ck them” I get the feeling it won’t be that easy to let them go down.

Conan on November 1, 2010 at 12:01 PM

If I were Meg Whitman I’d be running old clips of Johnny Carson riffing on Moonbeam ALL DAY LONG!! I cannot believe that so many Californians have forgotten what an assclown he is.

CantCureStupid on November 1, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Someone tell John Cornyn to shut up:

On the Today Show this morning, NRSC Chairman John Cornyn said conclusively that the Senate is out of reach for Republicans this cycle.

“I think we don’t get the majority back but we come awfully close, and we finish the job in 2012,” Cornyn said.

tpmdc.com

Wethal on November 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Voters vote, and I think that most aren’t remotely influenced by media at this point. The undecided group won’t show up.

The rest will.

AnninCA on November 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Rossi’s is the key race for a Republican majority.

Be The Wave, Oregonians Washingtonians.

Dusty on November 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Someone get Dusty a cup of Dunkin’ Donuts coffee. Now.

BuckeyeSam on November 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM

I lived in CA for over 25 years. I think the state is just worn out, people.

They tried voting for a moderate GOP guy. Arnold failed.

It’s a state entrenched with down-ticket Dem reps in the legislature.

And they are beyond greedy. They are protecting their OWN perks, and that’s a serious motivation. Each representative costs nearly a million dollars per year. A senator costs 1.5 million.

So we’re looking at people seriously devoted to their own personal lives.

This is honestly the danger of any state which votes in excessive benefits for their service politicians.

I think that the unions in CA, including the SEIU and the teacher’s unions, will probably win.

But who will fund this?

I think CA will lose in the long run.

AnninCA on November 1, 2010 at 12:19 PM

A Republican in Washington State has to win by 5%, just to break even.

jus’ sayin’

franksalterego on November 1, 2010 at 12:21 PM

I can’t see that anyone on National News can fail to start adjusting, right, after this election.

But I would suggest that the next target should rightfully be the GOP insiders.

They aren’t a bit different from the Dems.

AnninCA on November 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Republican in Washington State has to win by 5%, just to break even.

jus’ sayin’

franksalterego on November 1, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Even in an off-year?

AnninCA on November 1, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Even in an off-year?

AnninCA on November 1, 2010 at 12:23 PM

You can count on it.

Somewhere, in the bowels of election headquarters, or in the trunk of someone’s car, there are boxes of contingency ballots, to be counted after Nov. 2nd.

franksalterego on November 1, 2010 at 12:31 PM

I don’t know. Dems stole an election from Rossi before. Wins in Illinois, however, would be awesomely awesome.

Christien on November 1, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Voters vote, and I think that most aren’t remotely influenced by media at this point. The undecided group won’t show up.

The rest will.

AnninCA on November 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM

That’s profoundly insightful. You really should write a book.

AsianGirlInTights on November 1, 2010 at 12:43 PM

I did my part and cast my vote for Rossi a week and a half ago. Even if everything collapses and somehow the Democrats pull out a miracle and keep the House, if Rossi beats Murray, it will all be worth it.

It’s time to retire Osama Mama so that she can go help build daycare centers in Afghanistan with Al Qaeda.

Mallard T. Drake on November 1, 2010 at 1:00 PM

WA is all mail in voting.

Who controls the mail? The USPS.

What union do USPS workers belong to? SEIU

If you think for a minute they will allow Rossi to win, you’re dreaming.

angryed on November 1, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Between this & King County Rossi has a %0 chance.

tetriskid on November 1, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Kirk has moved ahead because many conservatives-like me and mine-have realized that a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Alexi. Kirk will at least vote the ‘right’ way some of the time.
We NEED to get Congress out of demon-crat hands…it’s that simple.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 1, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Close elections in states like WA and IL require vigilance from those who care about free and fair elections. Ds are infamous for their ability to manufacture votes in close elections. Volunteer to be a poll watcher! Safeguard all honest votes and voters, regardless of party, and keep those who would steal our democracy at bay.

Sheerq on November 1, 2010 at 11:17 AM

My husband and I are both working as election judges in So. Cook County. Because there is a major shortage of Republican election judge the County has been letting ‘D’s wear ‘R’ nametags on election day to keep the polls ‘legal’.
I’m the only registered republican working my precinct and I’m guessing it’ll be the same for my husband in his.
We will both be hyper-vigilant tomm.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 1, 2010 at 2:01 PM

The most worrisome number for Murray within the poll, beyond her small overall disadvantage, is that among voters who say they’ve already returned their ballots Rossi’s advantage is wider at 52-47.

This is an exit poll.

There wouldn’t be any need to even ask party affiliation and weight the response. They didn’t did they? So it is an exit poll. Also 75% have already voted.

What are the others waiting for? As far as I know there isn’t anyplace to go in person and vote.

So they need to open the envelope, fill it out, and it is complicated… the kind of thing many of us avoid, like doing your taxes at the last minute…

This is good news.

petunia on November 1, 2010 at 2:04 PM

It is more that fraudulent ballots are cast more than the ballots being tampered with.

Voter from WA State on November 1, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Yes, I agree, although if the USPS were to “lose” ballots from Eastern WA that would help Murray.

This election is the first time I have voted in WA in Twenty years. I lived in NY and AZ. I am shocked at how easy it would be to steal an election here.

In Az you have to have ID. Here they just mail it to you and you swear you are the right person. That’s it.

I even think a really organized group could steal the election completely legally. No where is there a requirement to be alone or not talk to others while you fill out the ballot.

I can see ACORN clinics to help people fill out the ballot, with the leader checking to make sure you do it correctly…

This is a horrible system, like “card check” there is no guarantee of a secret ballot in WA. No wonder the Dems run the state.

petunia on November 1, 2010 at 2:14 PM

It will be sweet if Rossi wins. He deserves it after having Gregoire steal his victory in his first run for governor.

I’ve done my part. I voted, then I told the daughter and her boyfriend who to vote for (and they were in full agreement with what I told them!).

Please, please, please! I don’t want “Mother” Murray representing me any more!

thatdamnredhead on November 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM

No, King and Pierce counties are blue. The rest of the state basically pays for all their decisions.

WitchDoctor on November 1, 2010 at 11:39 AM

I agree as a former resident of Bellevue/Mill Creek/Bothell/Monroe/Fall City/Sultan.
Notice I kept edging further East with each move.
Sanity reigns N of Everett, S of Olympia, & E of the moutains.
I never knew any democrats who lived in Omak or Ellensburg (I’m sure they were there, but most ranchers are not democrats & most ranchers I’ve known despise all politicians in general, especially the ones that are trying to tax them out of business = demeocrats).
There were some conservative pockets, but they get swallowed up by the welfare kings & queens, of which there are a LOT.

Badger40 on November 1, 2010 at 2:34 PM

You know, this might make W WA more tolerable to live in.
Now all you have to do is get rid of the invading liberal Californians (or have they stopped invading WA?).
I know it’s silly, but a small part of me wishes that other states would refuse entry to registered democrats.
That way they don’t spread their cancer around.
They’d have to stay at home & live in their mess.

Badger40 on November 1, 2010 at 2:36 PM

God I pray that Boxer and Brown lose.

Sultry Beauty on November 1, 2010 at 2:37 PM

If California elects Brown and Boxer its time to plant charges at the boarder in let Cali sail away. Only after get move Prager and Hewitt to the mid west though.

jawkneemusic on November 1, 2010 at 2:39 PM

There is zero chance that they can know if a ballot is pro-Rossi or pro-Murray. Mail-in ballots are in 2 envelopes. If an envelope is tampered with, the ballot is not counted. How can they know who is voting? They can’t. Even the name of the voter is not shown.

Voter from WA State on November 1, 2010 at 11:45 AM

That’s not true. The back of the outside envelope has the name of the voter on it. So if they check the voter rolls, or the coding has the CD (I’m in the 8th, which is the more conservative area of King County), they’ll have a pretty good idea.

And I think Dino lost the first run at the governor-ship after 3 recounts; only 2 were allowed by the Constitution, which was something I was disappointed Dino wasn’t prepared to take all the way up to SCOTUS.

linlithgow on November 1, 2010 at 3:21 PM

What are the others waiting for? As far as I know there isn’t anyplace to go in person and vote.

petunia on November 1, 2010 at 2:04 PM

You can go to City Hall and fill out your ballot and hand it in. My husband and I had to go there in 2008 because the ballots got wet somehow and ruined the envelopes. It was a Mickey Mouse operation trying to have them figure out how we should vote – use the old envelopes but seal and sign, or find new envelopes…

Although fraud can happen at the booth too. I grew up in NJ and my mom was a poll watcher and noticed my dad, who had been dead years, was still on the roster and someone had signed in for him (i.e. voted). She mentioned it to a supervisor who told her it was best she not make a big deal out of it.

They can be thrown either way, but I agree, having a polling place to attend, having ID and being forced to show it is more open, IMHO.

linlithgow on November 1, 2010 at 3:28 PM

There is zero chance that they can know if a ballot is pro-Rossi or pro-Murray. Mail-in ballots are in 2 envelopes. If an envelope is tampered with, the ballot is not counted. How can they know who is voting? They can’t. Even the name of the voter is not shown.

I can’t see how anyone at USPS is going to take the chance of throwing out a pro-Murray vote. They can’t change the ballot.

It is more that fraudulent ballots are cast more than the ballots being tampered with.

Voter from WA State on November 1, 2010 at 11:45 AM

The usps doesn’t know who a particular ballot is for. True. But they know the percentages. They won’t throw out any ballots from Seattle. But they will throw out ballots from Spokane. If they throw out 500 ballots from Spokane, there will obviously be some Murray ballots in there. But odds are there will be more Rossi ballots thrown out than Murray.

angryed on November 1, 2010 at 3:31 PM

If you are a Washington voter, DO NOT assume anything! Do not fail to vote, in fact, call everyone you know who is a republican or independent and make sure they voted too.

Early returns show Democrats and/or dead people are voting in large numbers in WA. And with the vote fraud that goes on in King County, we HAVE to make sure Dino wins by more than the margin of fraud.

American Elephant on November 1, 2010 at 3:35 PM

In North Dakota our absentee ballots come in 2 envelopes-a brown inner one & a large white outer one. The white outer envelope has the place for the voter’s signiature & the date. However, it does not require you to print AND sign your name. And with a signiature like mine, you wouldn’t who I was until you opened it to see.
I imagine many states are like this.
Prob. WA.
Whatever the case, I am still amazed in this day & age, where getting an ID is pretty much free (& you need one to get govt goodies), that honest legal citizens would find it a deterrant to voting.
That’s BS & everyone knows it.
And they need to get rid of electronic voting.
Sometimes technology is not a good thing.
The potential for corruption is already to great, electonic voting makes it even worse IMHO.

Badger40 on November 1, 2010 at 5:17 PM