Reason TV: What we saw at the Restore Sanity rally

posted at 7:10 pm on October 31, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Sanity is apparently in the eye of the beholder, as is coherence. Reason TV’s Nick Gillespie and Michael Moynihan eschewed the stage show and talked directly to the participants in the Restore Sanity rally yesterday and discovered that many of the people who attended had little notion about the politics of the moment. The best moment comes at the very end, when Michael gets a rally attendee to inadvertently describe the entire Democratic Congress’ approach to debt reduction (and that of the GOP from 2001-6) in a manner that also manages to be more coherent than any statement from either political party:

There was also this moment of “sanity” from another attendee:

Woman: You don’t see reasonable people putting Hitler mustaches on people’s faces!

Moynihan: So there were no people with “Bush as Hitler” signs, as there are as Obama as Hitler?

Woman: I see what you’re saying. No, but if there should have been a Hitler sign on somebody, it would have been him.


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Battlecruiser-operational on August 12, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Locrian on August 12, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Had to go back a ways huh?

darwin-t on October 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM

crr6

haha no. “Nazi” was in the title of the thread so it popped up first when I did a search.

Anyway, I posted something from this thread. That’s pretty recent, right?

crr6 on October 31, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Anyone else just hear Shep Smith call Buck (CO) the “Republican Tea Bag Candidate?”

IrishEi on October 31, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Smith is a worthless POS. He’s the only person on Fox News that I refuse to watch. Try Kudlow on CNBC as an alternative for 7pm.

slickwillie2001 on October 31, 2010 at 8:38 PM

I don’t think it’s any more excusable than “Bushitler”

crr6 on October 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Anita Dunn would strongly disagree with you.

John the Libertarian on October 31, 2010 at 8:38 PM

I take infinite pleasure in referring to Barry as ObaMao and not in a cheap humor way. The Dunn woman on his hand-picked staff is an admitted admirer of Mao, as is Billy the Bomber Ayers if we are to believe his own words.

How many sectors of the economy are you willing to forfeit to the federal government before you will admit that the direction of this country is like that of Mussolini’s or Chavez’s?

onlineanalyst on October 31, 2010 at 8:41 PM

I’ve seen ObaMao some, but I take that as cheap humor.

John the Libertarian on October 31, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Little hard to get outraged about relating Mao to Obama when his own staff personal quote the communist leader in their speeches and Obama’s White House hangs Christmas ornaments on their tree with his face on it.

Don’t recall any people from the Bush administration quoting hitler as a means to further their policy agenda.

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Anita Dunn would strongly disagree with you.

John the Libertarian on October 31, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Exactly….

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Little hard to get outraged about relating Mao to Obama when his own staff personal quote the communist leader in their speeches and Obama’s White House hangs Christmas ornaments on their tree with his face on it.

Don’t recall any people from the Bush administration quoting hitler as a means to further their policy agenda.

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM

That’s gonna leave a mark.

Lanceman on October 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM

IN VIDEO:

Woman: I see what you’re saying.
Her tone as she said this was marvelous,

because you could tell that she hadn’t pondered the full implications of her universal generalization that reasonable people don’t draw Hitler mustaches on people.

You could tell that she never intended it to apply to her side of the fence.

Bill Ramey on October 31, 2010 at 8:12 PM

It’s less than that.

The woman doesn’t even conceive of another “side” of the fence- but only sees her opponents as “useless fools who must be silenced

And who do not even deserve the same consideration as people as those folks she agrees with.

The enemy (to use the Dear leader’s locution) is sub-human.

Kulaks.

Untermensch.

Avaricious Landlords.

This is one thing the socialistic Left has a propaganda knack for: formulations for dehumanization- prior to extermination.

Something they inherited from preceding dark religious fanaticisms.

They merely replaced the Deity with a mirror.

A glass in which fanatics love to mistake themselves, in the reversed reflection, for the Only Sane People.

profitsbeard on October 31, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Is that concrete?

crr6 on October 31, 2010 at 8:30 PM

Ah, from the Narutoboy school of “post something from a year ago and then pretend that it’s a daily occurrence.”

Good Solid B-Plus on October 31, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Don’t recall any people from the Bush administration quoting hitler as a means to further their policy agenda.

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Excellent, most excellent.

John the Libertarian on October 31, 2010 at 8:46 PM

At any rate, the likenesses that I draw between the despots Mao, Chavez, Mugabe, and Mussolini have nothing to do with mass murders but with the seizure of power through the destruction of the economy and the squelching of liberty.

onlineanalyst on October 31, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Don’t recall any people from the Bush administration quoting hitler as a means to further their policy agenda.

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM

You clearly don’t remember when the Bushes had a Hitler ornament on their Christmas tree.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 31, 2010 at 8:47 PM

I loathe when video keep buffering and buffering.

I would bet that the biggest group at that rally where staffers.

Cindy Munford on October 31, 2010 at 8:49 PM

You clearly don’t remember when the Bushes had a Hitler ornament on their Christmas tree.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 31, 2010 at 8:47 PM

We could not know that; a sympathetic press buried anything critical of Bush!

/oh wait…

massrighty on October 31, 2010 at 8:51 PM

You clearly don’t remember when the Bushes had a Hitler ornament on their Christmas tree.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 31, 2010 at 8:47 PM

And after he threw out the first pitch tonight, W’s follow through sure did look like a sieg heil.

John the Libertarian on October 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Wow, that gathering must have been one black hole of stupid. Or maybe Reason TV just found all the stupid (and arrogant) people.

/Nah, I’m going with black hole of stupid

AZfederalist on October 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM

That’s gonna leave a mark.

Lanceman on October 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM

The level of hypocrisy is astounding when you watch liberals get their panties all bunched up looking for hitler references when they spent the whole Bush Presidency using them and still use them when referring to Americans that don’t support Obama’s policies.

There is no comparison when you look at the ignorance and hate that the democratic party supports:


the
z o m b i e t i m e
Hall of Shame

http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

How noble……”I love NY better without the towers”
……….”we support the resistance in Iraq”…..

This is what liberals call intelligence….

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/14/grow-a-pair-obama/

Calling for Bush’s death……nothing but hatred and bigotry coming from the self righteous,tolerant,open minded democratic party……

Here is another super intelligent liberal cussing out a Holocaust survivor….

Holocaust survivor gets cussed out by the “Peace and Love” crowd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF_tL8m9e-c

But….but…..but all of this means nothing because super smart liberals like crr6 here found some obscure blog post or sign at a rally that had a hitler mustache on it.

How pathetic..

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM

You clearly don’t remember when the Bushes had a Hitler ornament on their Christmas tree.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 31, 2010 at 8:47 PM

You are right….

My fault…..

………..it must have been right beside the Che ornament but partially hidden by the Castro candy canes.

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 9:04 PM

But now that the democrat Obama is in office…..now that Obama is bombing villages and using many of the same war policies that Bush used…..
…..well now the “adults” have gone from the streets to the coffee shops and comedian rallies……

…….the peace loving,anti-war liberals now have to be reminded that a war is going on.

liberals and their faux outrage are so pathetic and full of sh!t.
No credibility what-so-ever…..

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Baxter Greene:Dead on.Every policy that Obama was voted in
on,he hasn’t delivered,maybe for Fraud Care,
might be the only exception!

They(Hopey/Changey)supporters are in denial,
confused,and are probably beside themselves
at this Liberal Betrayal!!!!

Rally of Sanity was there *sucky*,*chooch*,
er *soother*,their “PACIFIER”,so to speak!:)

canopfor on October 31, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Something they inherited from preceding dark religious fanaticisms. They merely replaced the Deity with a mirror. profitsbeard on October 31, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Wow that’s so insightful.

Default socialists evolved from religious fanatics.

They were so into A. that they became anti-A.

Akzed on October 31, 2010 at 9:06 PM

You clearly don’t remember when the Bushes had a Hitler ornament on their Christmas tree.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 31, 2010 at 8:47 PM

Good Solid B-Plus:Speaking of Christmas:)
==========================================================

Twelve Days ’til Voting (Christmas in November)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XAKu3H9GEw

canopfor on October 31, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Wow that’s so insightful.

Default socialists evolved from religious fanatics.

They were so into A. that they became anti-A.

Akzed on October 31, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Akzed: At the “ALTER OF LIBERALISM”!

canopfor on October 31, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Little hard to get outraged about relating Mao to Obama when his own staff personal quote the communist leader in their speeches and Obama’s White House hangs Christmas ornaments on their tree with his face on it.

Slightly OT, but speaking of Mao – I’m reading Wild Swans (rec: by Beck as I recall). Just read about Mao’s Great Leap Forward. Couldn’t help but bring to mind MSNBCs Lean Forward campaign. Gee, wonder why? It resulted in a famine, no less.

humdinger on October 31, 2010 at 9:09 PM

How pathetic..

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Umm, I think you meant to quote curdog. Not the Lanceman.

Lanceman on October 31, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Don’t recall any people from the Bush administration quoting hitler as a means to further their policy agenda.

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Though, that swastika ornament did liven the tree up.

ButterflyDragon on October 31, 2010 at 9:12 PM

The level of hypocrisy is astounding when you watch liberals get their panties all bunched up looking for hitler references when they spent the whole Bush Presidency using them and still use them when referring to Americans that don’t support Obama’s policies.

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Yes, yet many democratics proudly demonstrate their admiration for anything Marxist, like Che, Castro, Chavez, Mao, etc. Many in Congress have been members of a socialist caucus. Our president tells us that in college he chose to surround himself with Marxists. Communism killed twice as many people as the Nazis did, why is communism celebrated in the democratic party? How screwed up is this???

slickwillie2001 on October 31, 2010 at 9:13 PM

the
z o m b i e t i m e
Hall of Shame

http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

How pathetic..

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Baxter Greene: That is a MoonBat Research Extraordinaire
website,thanks,for the reminder of:)

canopfor on October 31, 2010 at 9:14 PM

Right, that woman was stupid and hypocritical….but aren’t many of you as well?

crr6 on October 31, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Your tu quoque is correct, but I don’t see its relevance. The woman in question was at a rally to restore sanity, but has no problem flouting logic when it suits her. I think that’s worth pointing out if even some people on the right do the same thing.

At any rate, I can’t speak for others, but I’m on record denying that Obama is a socialist, fascist, or Marxist–or that he’s like Hitler or Stalin. On the other hand, I can understand the prima facie reasons people have for calling him those things. Obama is a technocrat who envisions a powerful federal government intervening in civil society to bring about an abstract greater good. That places him on the illiberal end of the political spectrum, i.e., that end of the spectrum that rejects classical liberalism.

Bill Ramey on October 31, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Another perspective on the crowd dynamics at the 10-30 rally in comparison to the 8-28 Beck Rally:

http://stopshouting.blogspot.com/

YTZGal on October 31, 2010 at 9:22 PM

canopfor on October 31, 2010 at 9:09 PM

That would be “Altar.”

I don’t know what you’re driving at but I have to go watch the new A&E show about zombie invasion. It’s about democrats taking over or something.

Akzed on October 31, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Ugh. Brain hurts now.

Yakko77 on October 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM

I’ve noticed a few interesting things from the people at this rally:

1. A lot of them seem obsessed with the pictures of Hitler mustaches on Obama at Tea Parties. They don’t seem to realize most of those come from far-left LaRouche Democrats that regular Tea Party members don’t care to associate with.

2. A lot more are carrying signs making fun of the Fred Phelps clan. His church has fewer than 100 members and they are widely marginalized from all sides of American society. There’s no need to restore sanity on an issue where everybody is already sane (except the 0.00003% or so of the population that actually belongs to the church).

But hey, I gotta give credit where credit’s due. Some of the signs and costumes were pretty funny.

NukeRidingCowboy on October 31, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Ha ha… the last guy was the best. And the final snark pretty much sums up the lefts mind set…

“That makes absolutely no sense, but I think it’s awesome…”

Should’a asked what grade he dropped out at.

RalphyBoy on October 31, 2010 at 9:38 PM

http://stopshouting.blogspot.com/

YTZGal on October 31, 2010 at 9:22 PM

That was great. Thanks!

John the Libertarian on October 31, 2010 at 9:41 PM

canopfor on October 31, 2010 at 9:09 PM
=============================
That would be “Altar.”

I don’t know what you’re driving at but I have to go watch the new A&E show about zombie invasion. It’s about democrats taking over or something.

Akzed on October 31, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Akzed: Oh crap,my mistake,your right,on the spelling!:)

canopfor on October 31, 2010 at 9:43 PM

YTZGal on October 31, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Thanks for that report. Sadly, I’m not surprised by your experiences.
I think that’s the first reference to the trash left behind, that I’ve been expecting to see, all day.. hehe.

pambi on October 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM

At any rate, I can’t speak for others, but I’m on record denying that Obama is a socialist, fascist, or Marxist–or that he’s like Hitler or Stalin. On the other hand, I can understand the prima facie reasons people have for calling him those things. Obama is a technocrat who envisions a powerful federal government intervening in civil society to bring about an abstract greater good. That places him on the illiberal end of the political spectrum, i.e., that end of the spectrum that rejects classical liberalism.

Bill Ramey on October 31, 2010 at 9:17 PM


Wow… I always thought of Obama as a self absorbed ego maniac (damaged ego actually… rejected by daddy and mommy) who would like nothing less than to have the whole world offer him up as king so that he could set the minute by minute, cradle to grave comings and goings of human kind… because he knows best, or just to get even…

Either way I must’a missed a moment of human-like humility somewhere.

RalphyBoy on October 31, 2010 at 10:00 PM

Baxter Greene: That is a MoonBat Research Extraordinaire
website,thanks,for the reminder of:)

canopfor on October 31, 2010 at 9:14 PM

Anything for you my friend…..

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 10:05 PM

I would bet that the biggest group at that rally where staffers.

Cindy Munford on October 31, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Well that’s only because the Huffington Post buses were stuck in traffic.

Lily on October 31, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Umm, I think you meant to quote curdog. Not the Lanceman.

Lanceman on October 31, 2010 at 9:10 PM

I was acknowledging your statement and expanding on the liberal hypocrisy.
Sorry if I did not make that clear…..
…….I am a fan of the Lanceman.

Though, that swastika ornament did liven the tree up.

ButterflyDragon on October 31, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Ahh yes…

…. sitting around the fire roasting chestnuts and reminiscing about how they pulled off 9/11.

Nothing like the Holiday season in the BushH!tler House.

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 10:20 PM

Baxter Greene:Dead on.Every policy that Obama was voted in
on,he hasn’t delivered,maybe for Fraud Care,
might be the only exception!

canopfor on October 31, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Exactly…..

This much failure from the “greatest administration evaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa” who had the White House and a filibuster proof Congress.

Two years in and they are still blaming Bush for everything.

No wonder a comedian is the liberals new messiah.

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Hmm.. Let’s see,
So, wearing a Santa suit, a circa 1970 CCCP hat and not knowing sh!t about the issues or how the economy works represents sanity?

Man, I have been way off.

esnap on October 31, 2010 at 10:35 PM

I’m thinking maybe a cumulative IQ of 70 for those interviewed?

RightThinker on October 31, 2010 at 10:37 PM

I was acknowledging your statement and expanding on the liberal hypocrisy.
Sorry if I did not make that clear….

Baxter Greene on October 31, 2010 at 10:20 PM

Scared me. I thought you mighta saw me defending crr the other day :D

Lanceman on October 31, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Either way I must’a missed a moment of human-like humility somewhere.

RalphyBoy on October 31, 2010 at 10:00 PM

What I said about him doesn’t preclude his lacking humility. I do think he lacks humility. My point was to assess his ideological stance.

Bill Ramey on October 31, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Where was that kool-aid trough they were drinking from? A pitiful example of humanity and dumb as stumps too.

Sherman1864 on October 31, 2010 at 11:12 PM

I am now dumber for having heard those idiots.
Gems:
‘Man can’t get no votes from them ‘publicans.’
‘I see what you’re saying.’
‘If I was that much in debt, I’d spend more to get out.’
Witness the failure of the educational system.

TinMan13 on October 31, 2010 at 11:17 PM

At any rate, the likenesses that I draw between the despots Mao, Chavez, Mugabe, and Mussolini have nothing to do with mass murders but with the seizure of power through the destruction of the economy and the squelching of liberty.

onlineanalyst on October 31, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Sadly, most leftists will look on those things as their good points.

Count to 10 on October 31, 2010 at 11:40 PM

At any rate, I can’t speak for others, but I’m on record denying that Obama is a socialist, fascist, or Marxist–or that he’s like Hitler or Stalin. On the other hand, I can understand the prima facie reasons people have for calling him those things. Obama is a technocrat who envisions a powerful federal government intervening in civil society to bring about an abstract greater good. That places him on the illiberal end of the political spectrum, i.e., that end of the spectrum that rejects classical liberalism.

Bill Ramey on October 31, 2010 at 9:17 PM

One is nearly the definition of the other.

Count to 10 on October 31, 2010 at 11:46 PM

I love it. Ridicule is a very effective tool against Liberals.

scotash on November 1, 2010 at 12:29 AM

How many sectors of the economy are you willing to forfeit to the federal government before you will admit that the direction of this country is like that of Mussolini’s or Chavez’s?

onlineanalyst on October 31, 2010 at 8:41 PM

All of them and they still won’t admit or own up to anything.

jdkchem on November 1, 2010 at 12:34 AM

Obama is a technocrat who envisions a powerful federal government intervening in civil society to bring about an abstract greater good.

That would not be a technocrat that would be a socialist.

jdkchem on November 1, 2010 at 12:36 AM

An awesome description of the rally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOoIkS5LfpA&feature=sub

“An endless circle of stupidity.”

pedestrian on November 1, 2010 at 12:54 AM

One is nearly the definition of the other.

Count to 10 on October 31, 2010 at 11:46 PM

Socialism is the interim state between the proletarian revolution and the withering away of the state. Marxism is the philosophy that explains how and why the proletarian revolution will come about. Fascism is an aggressive, belligerent, nationalistic political philosophy that favors strong central control over civil society.

Technocratism has much in common with socialism and fascism, but it is neither one of those things. X and Y can have Z in common, but that does not make X and Y the same thing. Obama does not care about proletarian revolutions or the withering away of the state, and he is certainly not a belligerent nationalist. That means that he is neither a socialist nor a fascist. Again, technocratism has much in common with socialism and fascism, but its philosophical roots are less-defined and more pragmatic. It’s a very bad thing that we should resist in order to preserve the Republic, but it is not reducible to socialism or fascism, any more than the despotisms of old are reducible to those things.

Bill Ramey on November 1, 2010 at 1:30 AM

Restoring Sanity Rally, Racism & Rage

Nearly Nobody on November 1, 2010 at 8:24 AM

I liked the way one blogger described the prominent make-up of this rally: pasty-faced, mush-for-brains collegiates. But that’s what’s also frightening about this – these young gullible idiots and the kind of logic that spews from their mouths. God help us!

mozalf on November 1, 2010 at 8:26 AM

The best moment comes at the very end, when Michael gets a rally attendee to inadvertently describe the entire Democratic Congress’ approach to debt reduction (and that of the GOP from 2001-6) in a manner that also manages to be more coherent than any statement from either political party

“That makes absolutely no sense but I think it’s awesome.”

ROTFL!

jnelchef on November 1, 2010 at 8:46 AM

Woman: I see what you’re saying. No, but if there should have been a Hitler sign on somebody, it would have been him.

Ed, that was my favorite, too, until the kid at the end explained that what he would do if he was buried in debt is just go into more debt until he could “try to figure my stuff out”.

So there you have the modern liberal thinker:

– These people are crazy who put Hitler mustaches on politicians, except for liberals putting them on Bush, which is actually correct, and

– The only reasonable response to having too much debt is to borrow more money.

Jaibones on November 1, 2010 at 8:48 AM

I don’t think it’s any more excusable than “Bushitler”

crr6 on October 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Here’s an anchor to help you tread water. Try singing “My Heart Will Go On” (Titanic’s theme) to make Tuesday go easier.

viking01 on November 1, 2010 at 8:52 AM

Where was that kool-aid trough they were drinking from?

Sherman1864 on October 31, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Dude, they all looked completely sober to me. Can you imagine anyone being that stupid when stone cold sober?

Jaibones on November 1, 2010 at 8:54 AM

Wow… I figured we’d just see the hitler signs and NAMBLA for Stewart signs, but instead I saw reasonable questions asked of lunatics…

jeffn21 on November 1, 2010 at 9:12 AM

Crr… seriously you sound like my 6 year old nephew.

CWforFreedom on October 31, 2010 at 8:18 PM

Your 6 year old nephew is a flaming Libtard who thinks he/she/it is a lawyer? I feel for your family….

Wolftech on November 1, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Went to wedding Saturday and saw a flock of Emo/homeless looking rally patrons crossing the GW Parkway. Luckily the wife was there to lower the hood sight.

faol on November 1, 2010 at 9:15 AM

It sure looks like a hammer and sickle on the front of that rally commie’s Boris Hat. I’m sure Uncle Joe was well represented there Saturday.

viking01 on November 1, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Your 6 year old nephew is a flaming Libtard who thinks he/she/it is a lawyer? I feel for your family….

Wolftech on November 1, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Ha ha ha ha…primo stuff.

Dopenstrange on November 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM

I hear a lot of Ummmms

shar61 on November 1, 2010 at 9:55 AM

Socialism is the interim state between the proletarian revolution and the withering away of the state.

That’s just one definition. And considering the other concepts you’ve referenced in the definition it’s very specific to one way of thinking about economies.

I consider socialism to mean a system characterized by de jure public ownership of a substantial portion (let’s say over half) of the means of production. Fascism is a far point in the corporatist spectrum, meaning de jure private ownership but de facto government control, but with some other cultural characteristics (racism, nationalism).

DrSteve on November 1, 2010 at 10:02 AM

You clearly don’t remember when the Bushes had a Hitler ornament on their Christmas tree.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 31, 2010 at 8:47 PM

… and then there was that time when Bush told Republican activists to “get in people’s faces” or urged them to ‘bring a gun to a knife fight’ or to get out and “punish our enemies”.

bitsy on November 1, 2010 at 10:04 AM

I’m reading Wild Swans (rec: by Beck as I recall). Just read about Mao’s Great Leap Forward. Couldn’t help but bring to mind MSNBCs Lean Forward campaign. Gee, wonder why? It resulted in a famine, no less.

humdinger on October 31, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Read the author’s other book, a biography of Mao. She went back over the years & did lots of interviews etc.
There are some who discredit her book, since much of the resources she cites are often anonymous & witheld for safety reasons.
To be honest, after reading Wild Swans, I pretty much believe what’s written in her biolography on Mao.
The people of China have a long way to go before I’d welcome them onto the human rights stage.
Atrociously unbelievable & pure evilness.
And after reading so much about the rise & rule of Stalin, as well as Hitler, I am convinced that nothing like these regimes could ever happen in America, at least for now.
Americans are too unique.
There are some paralells, but in America, there are just way too many people who cherish their freedom & will fight for it.
We are slow to react, but when we do, it’s a tidal wave, hence the Tea Party movement.

Badger40 on November 1, 2010 at 10:07 AM

Now I say that could never happen in America for now, but I would add that though Obama is no Hitler, Stalin, or Mao, given another place & time, he has all the qualities that could have made him any one of those men.

Badger40 on November 1, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Socialism is the interim state … Marxism is the philosophy …. Fascism is an aggresive…
Technocratism has much in common with …
Bill Ramey on November 1, 2010 at 1:30 AM

As far as I’m concerned, all the collectivisms can be lumped into one big group, and they all collectively suck it.

bitsy on November 1, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Is that a pix of Sanity Claus?

flyoverland on November 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM

I guess it’s because they’re so much more intelligent than conservatives like me that I have so much difficulty understanding them.

morganfrost on November 1, 2010 at 10:25 AM

If I was that bad in debt, the only way I would get myself out … is to … make more debt first, then I would figure my stuff out…

Collegese to English translation: I would take my credit card to the bar and get trashed, and the resulting hangover would cause me to forget about the bill until next month.

Which sounds like a pretty good definition of what Obama has done so far.

bitsy on November 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Is that a pix of Sanity Claus?

flyoverland on November 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM

I don’t think Santa wore a Russian tanker’s hat.

Oldnuke on November 1, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Hundreds of thousands of liberals who have no idea what they believe in gathered on the Mall to talk about how stupid Glenn Beck and his fans are.

Glenn Beck fans, meanwhile, were brushing up on the biographies of past Presidents and debating which Constitutional amendments are most harmful to our liberty.

hawksruleva on November 1, 2010 at 11:18 AM

I went away for the weekend to a place with no TVs and missed the coverage, but I checked out HuffPo and watched this reason.tv video and I can see that it’s exactly as I suspected.

I’m still completely baffled as to what the point of this rally was. I guess they have to ridicule and mock Beck and the Tea Partiers because they can’t actually refudiate their arguments.

CityFish on November 1, 2010 at 12:28 PM