Breaking: New Wikileaks docs reveal Iraqi security forces have been torturing detainees; Update: McChrystal knocks Wikileaks

posted at 6:08 pm on October 22, 2010 by Allahpundit

Supposedly it’s the biggest leak of U.S. intel in history. Normally I’d wait to blog it until I’ve had a chance to read all the articles, but we’re talking about a dozen or more stories here; instead of waiting, follow these links to the NYT, the Guardian, and Al Jazeera, all of whom have been reviewing the documents for weeks, and go from there. Some of the stories deal with grim strategic realities that we’re all already painfully aware of — e.g., Syrian border troops have been smuggling weapons and personnel to the Sunni insurgency in western Iraq for years, just as Iran’s spent years providing weapons and personnel (including Hezbollah trainers) to Shiite militias in the eastern part of the country. But if you only have time for one piece, this one at the Guardian about Iraqi security using Saddam-era methods on prisoners is the one to read.

This is the impact of Frago 242. A frago is a “fragmentary order” which summarises a complex requirement. This one, issued in June 2004, about a year after the invasion of Iraq, orders coalition troops not to investigate any breach of the laws of armed conflict, such as the abuse of detainees, unless it directly involves members of the coalition. Where the alleged abuse is committed by Iraqi on Iraqi, “only an initial report will be made … No further investigation will be required unless directed by HQ”

The systematic viciousness of the old dictatorship when Saddam Hussein’s security agencies enforced order without any regard for law continues, reinforced by the chaotic savagery of the new criminal, political and sectarian groups which have emerged since the invasion in 2003 and which have infiltrated some police and army units, using Iraq’s detention cells for their private vendettas…

There is no question of the coalition forces not knowing that their Iraqi comrades are doing this: the leaked war logs are the internal records of those forces…

Numerous logs show individual members of the coalition making genuine attempts to stop the abuse. Since 2006 the coalition has had military transition teams, known as Mitts, working alongside Iraqi military units; and police transition teams, PTTs, embedded with local police. These teams are recorded on multiple occasions making unannounced spot checks at Iraqi security bases and finding torture in progress. “Captain Walker and 1st Lieutenant Ziemba … caught Captain Hassan and Sgt Alaa by surprise … In the office there was what appeared to be a battery with open ended wires … Before entering the office, Capt Walker and 1Lt Siemba heard what sounded like an individual being hit and moaning. The detainee was sitting in the centre of the room sobbing. They stopped the suspected abuse.”

In other words, per Frago 242, if Iraqi troops or cops were doing the abusing, it was the Iraqi government’s problem to deal with them. Al Jazeera notes that, since Iraq officially became sovereign again on June 30, 2004, there was no legal obligation for occupying forces to police Iraqi security. But then there’s this:

One could argue, of course, that the decision to look the other way represents a clear moral failing – and a conscious decision to undermine US’ own stated goal of nation-building. The US has spent tens of millions of dollars to develop prisons, courts, and the “rule of law” in Iraq. But the leaked documents show that Iraq’s security forces routinely violated the most basic rights of detainees in their custody, assaulting them, threatening their families, occasionally even raping or murdering them.

More importantly, many of the detainee abuse reports suggest that the US knowingly violated the United Nations Convention Against Torture.

The convention – which the United States ratified in 1994 – forbids signatories from transferring a detainee to other countries “where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture”.

The Times’s write-up of the torture documents notes that coalition troops “often intervened” to stop abuse when they saw it. And yet:

Even when Americans found abuse and reported it, Iraqis often did not act. One report said a police chief refused to file charges “as long as the abuse produced no marks.” Another police chief told military inspectors that his officers engaged in abuse “and supported it as a method of conducting investigations.”

It is a frightening portrait of violence by any standards, but particularly disturbing because Iraq’s army and police are central to President Obama’s plan to draw down American troops in Iraq. Iraqi forces are already the backbone of security in Iraq, now that American combat troops are officially gone, and are also in charge of running its prisons.

For a broad overview of key revelations from the other documents, including the claim that the docs record 15,000 previously unknown Iraqi civilian deaths, see this Guardian summary. (Note the bit at the end about Wikileaks redacting the names of Iraqis to prevent reprisals against them. That was one of the Pentagon’s biggest worries in all this.) The last giant Wikileaks document drop was a snoozer because they didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know. No big bombshell = no real effect on foreign policy. This one, however, might have an effect in two key ways. One: As the Times notes, it makes it much harder for Obama to argue that Iraq doesn’t need us because it’s ready to police itself. According to the Guardian, incidents of abuse are recorded in the documents as recently as last December, so the problem can’t be dismissed as some long-solved remnant of Iraq’s darkest days in 2006. Two, and more importantly: If this news breaks big in Iraq, god only knows what it’s going to do to the political situation there. The Sunnis are already disenchanted, and Maliki — who, as PM, presumably presided during most of the abuse incidents described in the documents — is cuddling up to Iran and Sadr. (In fact, as noted at that last link, Sadr reportedly wants control of Iraq’s defense ministry. Just the man we need to get Iraqi troops to clean up their act.) Throw this grenade about government security forces using Saddam tactics into the mix and … what now? Maybe, maybe, it’ll make Maliki so toxic that the Kurds will side with Allawi instead of him to form a government. That would be good for the country insofar as it would isolate the Sadrists and bring the Sunnis into the government as part of a secularist, multi-sectarian coalition. But that’s the best possible outcome. I don’t want to think about the worst one.

Update: People are murmuring on Twitter about the fact that the docs implicate Hezbollah (via Iran) in training the Shiite militias. Quote:

The reports contain numerous references to Iranian agents, but the documents generally describe a pattern in which the Quds Force has sought to maintain a low profile in Iraq by arranging for fighters from Hezbollah in Lebanon to train Iraqi militants in Iran or by giving guidance to Iraqi militias who do the fighting with Iranian financing and weapons.

We’ve been covering this angle since practically the beginning of Hot Air. A short sample of posts over the years:

Nov. 30, 2006: Smoking guns: Iranians backing the Shiite militias in Iraq
March 21, 2007: Dissident: Top Iranian leaders running secret camps to train Iraq militias
April 12, 2007: US: Iraqi militias train in Iran
July 1, 2007: You don’t say: U.S. captures top Hezbollah bombmaker in Iraq
Aug. 19, 2007: Mahdi Army members confess: We’re training in Lebanon with Hezbollah
April 29, 2008: McClatchy: Most powerful man in Iraq is … leader of Iran’s Quds Force
May 5, 2008: Military sources: Hezbollah training Iraqi militias in Iran
July 1, 2008: AP: Hezbollah’s training Shiite militias — inside Iraq
Aug. 15, 2008: Iran training Iraqi hit squads

No wonder that Petraeus, during his testimony before Congress in September 2007, accused Iran of wanting to build an Iraqi version of Hezbollah.

Update: From the Daily Beast, expect this clip to get wide circulation tomorrow.


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Am glad Bush went after those regimes, but make-nice policies and “democracy” fail in Islamic cesspools. If it takes a permanent American presence for some semblance of order, then it failed.

Change DoD back to the War Department and stop the Peace Corps crap. It’s immoral abuse of soldiers and the military. Let the warriors fight and kill the enemy, leave marks that terrify them to cross us, then bring the boys home.

And don’t persecute soldiers for doing what they’re trained to do, right Mr. Bush?

Feedie on October 22, 2010 at 8:20 PM

why is Stan on TDB? that’s an oof

ted c on October 22, 2010 at 8:26 PM

This revelation + George W Bush poking his head out of the sand this week = ELECTION FAIL
portlandon on October 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Nah.

joejm65 on October 22, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Bush couldn’t have picked a worse time to come back on the public scene. The liberals are having a field day with this.

Dark-Star on October 22, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Bush couldn’t have picked a worse time to come back on the public scene. The liberals are having a field day with this.

Dark-Star on October 22, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Yup,GWB was right there egging them on.

katy the mean old lady on October 22, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Here is a link w/ video of how this story is being reported by AlJazeera (English version).
http://english.aljazeera.net/

onlineanalyst on October 22, 2010 at 8:49 PM

If we were actually as bad as they like to make us out to be, the Wikileaks dude would have assumed room temperature by now.

SurferDoc on October 22, 2010 at 8:49 PM

What’s the take away? War is hell? Who knew?

Skandia Recluse on October 22, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Wikileaks and its allies WANT to cause the death and denigration of the American military and its allies. These people should be tried and if found guilty of treason, executed forthwith. End of story.

DaMav on October 22, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Bush couldn’t have picked a worse time to come back on the public scene. The liberals are having a field day with this.
Dark-Star on October 22, 2010 at 8:36 PM

There were warning signs months ago, when Bush II got his own Facebook page. Sarah Palin gets too much attention and it drives the dynasts nuts. After all, they are entitled to rule and questioning their agenda is declasse.

Silent obscurity is the wisdom of Bush. It was too good to last.

Feedie on October 22, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Bush couldn’t have picked a worse time to come back on the public scene. The liberals are having a field day with this.

Dark-Star on October 22, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Nonsense. Liberals will not decide this election. The people who are most excited to vote, and who will vote in the greatest numbers, are the ones who miss Bush the most. Liberal hysterics don’t mean a thing to them at this point except as case studies of everything they’re voting against.

Missy on October 22, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Here comes the Bush hate. Good grief, people.

capitalist piglet on October 22, 2010 at 9:13 PM

These are the perils of nation building when you don’t completely defeat the enemy first and teach the people a new way.

We turned black the clock in Iraq a few decades. The savages have been waiting.

PattyJ on October 22, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Here comes the Bush hate. Good grief, people.

capitalist piglet on October 22, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Exactly…..

…and I am so looking forward to the liberals yelling and screaming about Bush committing war crimes by using Rendition,Indefinite detention,Wire tapping,and killing civilians while Obama does the same dam# thing.

I know the useful idiots like to ignore inconvenient facts,
but it is going to be nothing short of hilarious watching the “adults” spin how terrible all this is out of one side out their mouths and then defend Obama for doing the same thing out of the other side.

The documents plainly show that US forces tried to address the torture issue with the Iraqi forces and only appear to be at fault(according to UN standards) by using “rendition” in turning prisoners over to the Iraqis.

Earth to liberals……rendition is still being used by your blesseded savior Obama……

So let the war crime trials begin!!!!!

Baxter Greene on October 22, 2010 at 10:22 PM

Why is this a story now? We’ve known this is the norm for years.

I think it’s a mistake to assume this is outside of local cultural norms. While we’d Iraq to improve, this is normal in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc. The main difference is that in Iraq, people can read about it in the papers or hear about it on TV and radio, and vote against the people letting it happen if they deem that a priority.

TallDave on October 22, 2010 at 10:28 PM

The liberals are having a field day with this.

Dark-Star on October 22, 2010 at 8:36 PM

I bet they are.

Maybe they can ask themselves why the democrats did nothing about the supposed eeeeeeeeeeeevil war criminal Bush when they had the White House and filibuster proof majorities in the House and Senate.

Not one single indictment or charge leveed against the evil Bush/Hitler.

Then while they are so excited squaring this circle,they can refresh us on how terrible it was that super secret CIA desk jockey Plame was outed by the democrat Armitage but releasing all of this classified information is such a good thing.

Baxter Greene on October 22, 2010 at 10:29 PM

Rendition

Every time someone says rendition, I think rendering plant.

Given the status of dogs in Islam, rendition is tender mercy.

The rendering plant would be a waste, thus rendition. Dogs refuse the chow.

Feedie on October 22, 2010 at 10:42 PM

BBC is already reporting that US ignored the abuse

Doctor Zhivago on October 22, 2010 at 6:31

I would love to see the spin on why we are supposed to override Iraq’s rule of law in 2004 to stop prisoner abuse but not stay and secure Iraq thus preventing genocide.


Obama’s 180 on genocide

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/08/obamas-180-on-genocide/


“Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep US forces there,” the AP reported on July 20, 2007 (my italics).

Liberals had no problem surrendering in Iraq knowing that our withdrawal would bring on total civil war and genocide…..

…….but somehow think they can claim some faux moral authority by condemning turning Iraqi prisoners over to Iraqi officials.

If these revelations are such a tragedy… then shouldn’t liberals be calling to change the name of the 50,000 troops still there back to “combat troops” to stop these human rights violations.

Will liberals call for more troops to be sent back to Iraq to stop these horrendous war crimes.

Should we not be seeing liberals take to the streets demanding that Obama stop using Rendition,indefinite detention,and killing civilians on the field of battle.

…or will liberals simply shout a lot,make some new bumper stickers,and walk around waving the peace sign……

Baxter Greene on October 22, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Sabra and Shatila redux…let the MSNBC massacre allegations begin…..

Rea1ityCheck on October 22, 2010 at 11:15 PM

One could argue, of course, that the decision to look the other way represents a clear moral failing – and a conscious decision to undermine US’ own stated goal of nation-building.

Look the other way…..

Let me get this straight.

America led by President Bush and the American Soldier,take out one of the most brutal regimes in history.
…A regime guilty of massive human rights abuses,torture,and genocide.
Then told by the likes of Obama,John Kerry,Hillary Clinton and the rest of the democratic party, that it was the worst foreign policy decision in modern history, and now liberals want to charge the Bush administration for “looking the other way”

….Just remember…if liberals had their way…Saddam would still be starting wars and killing innocents by the hundreds of thousands……..
….if liberals had their way…they would have handled Iraq the same way they handled Rwanda……by looking the other way.

Baxter Greene on October 22, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Should we not be seeing liberals take to the streets demanding that Obama stop using Rendition,indefinite detention,and killing civilians on the field of battle.
Baxter Greene on October 22, 2010 at 10:55 PM

They won’t say anything because it was never about the war. It was about a Republican president. They were cheated out of 2000, dontcha know.

If there was ever a place that got more time than it deserved, it is Iraq. The incompetent ingrates wouldn’t even favor us with contracts or oil.

Leave now and avoid the genocidal rush. Ruthless deek-tay-torrs are a symptom, not the cause. In Iraq, the religion of peace rules.

Feedie on October 22, 2010 at 11:30 PM

They won’t say anything because it was never about the war. It was about a Republican president. They were cheated out of 2000, dontcha know.

Feedie on October 22, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Exactly…and the liberals need to be held accountable for using the difficulties of war and the sacrifice of our Soldiers for political gain.

Every time one of these self righteous liberal activist wants to ramble on with their faux moral authority…they need to be reminded that they vote and support war and the policies that come with it every time they pulled the lever for Kerry and Obama.

They need to be reminded that they had total power in 2009 to put up or shut up and did nothing pertaining to the supposed “war crimes” by the Bush Administration.

They need to be reminded that their liberal hero Obama had full power to stop rendition,indefinite detention,NSA wiretapping,use of state secrets,Patriot Act,and the killings on the battlefield……. not only did he carry these policies on, but he expanded on them.

look liberals….look who is feeding the “war machine”….

Barack Obama to authorise record $60bn Saudi arms sale

Biggest arms deal in US history will shore up a Gulf ally against Iran threat, but angers Tehran and worries Israel

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/13/us-saudi-arabia-arms-deal

In its notification to Congress, the administration will authorise the Saudis to buy as many as 84 new F-15 fighters, upgrade 70 more, and purchase three different types of helicopters – 70 Apaches, 72 Black Hawks and 36 Little Birds, the Wall Street Journal reported. The package would be subject to a review by Congress.

Ohhhhhhh…..myyyyyyy…..Godddddddddd!!!!!

The eeeeeeeeeeevil chicken hawk Obama putting 60 billion dollars in his pocket off the blood of innocent people slaughtered by his war machine……

ohhhhhh….the horror..
……………..the horror.

Baxter Greene on October 22, 2010 at 11:51 PM

Exactly…and the liberals need to be held accountable for using the difficulties of war and the sacrifice of our Soldiers for political gain.

Treason is dismissed and ignored, like some embarrassing relic of another time. Take the Constitution seriously again, and there will be punishment for that crime.

Feedie on October 23, 2010 at 12:20 AM

Am glad Bush went after those regimes, but make-nice policies and “democracy” fail in Islamic cesspools. If it takes a permanent American presence for some semblance of order, then it failed.

Change DoD back to the War Department and stop the Peace Corps crap. It’s immoral abuse of soldiers and the military. Let the warriors fight and kill the enemy, leave marks that terrify them to cross us, then bring the boys home.

And don’t persecute soldiers for doing what they’re trained to do, right Mr. Bush?

Feedie on October 22, 2010 at 8:20 PM

The so called neocons are perhaps even greater enemies of America than the ‘Liberals’.

Neo-conservatives don’t have enough common sense to abide by the first rule of war, which is to know and understand thy enemy. Hence, that’s why they continue to advocate that America keep squandering away its wealth, troops, and resources for nothing pursuing endless fantasy based nation-building missions to win the hearts of minds of Muhammadans who are obligated to hate our guts no matter what per Islam at the same time that they are oblivious of the demographic stealth and deceptive civilization jihad taking place right in their midst. Meanwhile, Muhammadans killing Muhammadans inside Dar al Islam (the house of Islam) is good for Dar al Harb (the house of war), which is us, and bad for Dar al Islam, which is them.

The neo-conservative faction of conservatism, if one should even call them conservatives, believes in liberal political correct myths like, for instance, Islam is a “Religion of Peace™” that is being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, and what they advocate would also lead to a loss of freedom and a world dominated by totalitarianism, because they are devoid of common sense and thus don’t know or understand thy enemy. Only the traditional Ronald Reagan conservatives thoroughly understand our enemy and its threat doctrines, and thus know how to successfully defend America in order to preserve freedom.

They apparently do not consider American troops lives to be of much importance, but rather as fodder for their monumental hubris and their delusions about Islam. They will cheer and stand behind the troops – way behind them in comfort and safety while being keyboard rangers typing away with their manicured nails. The troops are mere chess pieces on their Mad Hatter chessboard.

Luka on October 23, 2010 at 12:28 AM

Take the Constitution seriously again, and there will be punishment for that crime.

Feedie on October 23, 2010 at 12:20 AM

I am all for that.

Baxter Greene on October 23, 2010 at 12:33 AM

It’s called WAR for a reason.

Susanboo on October 23, 2010 at 12:38 AM

They apparently do not consider American troops lives to be of much importance, but rather as fodder for their monumental hubris and their delusions about Islam.
Luka on October 23, 2010 at 12:28 AM

The repellent frat-boys of Ivy League ran amok after Reagan left. Used to ignore movies like that, because Hollywood makes them during (R) administrations. Yet, it’s true. Take off the partisan labels and it all becomes clear.

Feedie on October 23, 2010 at 12:58 AM

If Wikileaks is really publishing classified info, our special forces should take them out.

Not much difference between that and bombing an enemy supply chain…

landlines on October 23, 2010 at 2:31 AM

BBC is already reporting that US ignored the abuse

Ah, of course.

I wonder how they spin the torture and murder of their sick and elderly in their Socialized healthcare system.

reaganaut on October 23, 2010 at 2:37 AM

…and who’s surprised that Iraqi security forces still torture detainees?

…naive idealistic neoconservative nation builders’ publicists who also maintain McChrystal’s Karzai 12 Rules of Engagement to prove how good Americans are and how pure our intentions in Islam are, of course for the Muslims’ own good and all. The mess there is enforcing “democracy” mob rule by sectarians who happen to all believe dogmatically in Islamic theocracy. How could anything go wrong?

All things considered, Obama’s at the helm, Mr. I-Hate-American-Constitutional-Governance whining “After all I’ve done to you, why don’t you love me?”

Today’s headline says it all, that Russian Intelligence gave U.S. Officials coordinates for 175 Kabul heroin laboratories, and that the U.S. refuses to act on the information. The US Military has been ordered to stand down in Afghanistan. DEA declines comment.

pathetic international policies…it isn’t as if Iraq holds the monopoly on torturing detainees in the Middle East. And it isn’t as if the US has any authority to presume dictating Iraqi policy, given the premise that Bush established for our engagement there, to nation build an independent Iraq. All Iraq “needs” now is for the UN to step in, the effective UN [gag] with its “peace force” that rapes young girls.

maverick muse on October 23, 2010 at 8:07 AM

Hey, British Forces were in Iraq as well, BBC. Own up

maverick muse on October 23, 2010 at 8:08 AM

Hell, haughty BBC. Your British Military has an exquisite legacy of torture that made them so popular amongst their colonies. Horrible starvation methods performed by no other than Winston Churchill in India, lest we forget the self-righteous British landowners who exported all of Ireland’s good potato harvest during the famine that killed more Irish than survived the British sensibility that if God loved the Irish, they wouldn’t die of starvation.

maverick muse on October 23, 2010 at 8:12 AM

More Wikileaks info implicates Iran’s role in subverting Iraq:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/8082447/Wikileaks-Iraq-war-logs-claim-Iran-supplied-chemical-weapons-to-Iraq.html

onlineanalyst on October 23, 2010 at 8:50 AM

“New Wikileaks docs reveal Iraqi security forces have been torturing detainees”

And we should care why? Don’t say on moral grounds! Islam isn’t moral on any level IMO.

GFW on October 23, 2010 at 9:31 AM

What’s wrong with torturing detainees? Lots of them need to be tortured.

Really Right on October 23, 2010 at 9:40 AM

More Wikileaks info implicates Iran’s role in subverting Iraq:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/8082447/Wikileaks-Iraq-war-logs-claim-Iran-supplied-chemical-weapons-to-Iraq.html

onlineanalyst on October 23, 2010 at 8:50 AM

Super slow Joe hardest hit:


Come to think of it, None other than Vice President Joe Biden said as recently as August:


Iranian influence in Iraq is minimal. It’s been greatly exaggerated.

Let there be no doubt…this idiot is the smartest democrat on the Hill…..yes the bar is set that low.

Baxter Greene on October 23, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Oh, big news, Wikileaks. NOT.

It’s been known for years that we’ve been outsourcing our dirty work to others. What isn’t known is when anyone is going to make a serious effort to put a stop to it.

Dark-Star on October 23, 2010 at 2:18 PM

You know what Wikileaks needs?

Lots of coverage by center right bloggers.

‘Cause we all know what’s rewarded is repeated.

applebutter on October 23, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Surprise! It’s October.

Cylor on October 23, 2010 at 4:03 PM

The WikiLeaks dude is all about his 15 min of fame. He doesn’t care about “truth.” He just wants to get his moment in history. And it matters not to him how many Iraqi informants who cared about their nation will die because of WikiLeakage.

jediwebdude on October 23, 2010 at 6:17 PM

From the article: “Even when Americans found abuse and reported it, Iraqis often did not act. One report said a police chief refused to file charges “as long as the abuse produced no marks.” ”
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That sounds quite similar to Islamic law on wife-beating (=not supposed to hit her in the face, not supposed to leave bruises).

Hey, ya know, who are WE to judge another culture’s norms and practices, etc, etc.

Especially when we’re trying to get them to fight WITH us and not AGAINST us.

A_Nonny_Mouse on October 23, 2010 at 8:44 PM

More connections re Iran’s fingerprints:
Iran devised the new suicide vest worn by AlQaeda in Iraq.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/8083016/Wikileaks-how-Iran-devised-new-suicide-vest-for-al-Qaeda-to-use-in-Iraq.html

onlineanalyst on October 23, 2010 at 9:44 PM

the docs implicate Hezbollah (via Iran) in training the Shiite militias.

@ AP ==>> read this:

New Dept. of Homeland Security Advisor is an Islamist

(Excerpt Begins).

DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano’s appointment of “de-radicalization” expert Mohamed Elibiary to the Homeland Security Advisory Council earlier this month has thus far drawn little attention from Congress or the media, despite his record of criticizing successful terrorism prosecutions and praising Islamist ideologue Sayyid Qutb.

Elibiary recommended the writings of Qutb, who is credited with inspiring the Muslim Brotherhood and terrorist groups like al Qaida and Hamas, as offering “the potential for a strong spiritual rebirth that’s truly ecumenical allowing all faiths practiced in America to enrich us and motivate us to serve God better by serving our fellow man more.”

Elibiary also criticized the indictment and subsequent convictions of the Holy Land Foundation and five former officials for providing more than $12 million to Hamas, depicting the case as a defeat for the United States. He suggested that the convictions were part of a U.S. government policy of “denying our civil liberties and privacy at home” while pursuing anti-terror policies that have “left thousands of Americans dead, tens of thousands maimed, trillions of taxpayer dollars squandered and our homeland more vulnerable than ever.”

(Excerpt Ends).

Lourdes on October 24, 2010 at 12:33 PM

They apparently do not consider American troops lives to be of much importance, but rather as fodder for their monumental hubris and their delusions about Islam. They will cheer and stand behind the troops – way behind them in comfort and safety while being keyboard rangers typing away with their manicured nails. The troops are mere chess pieces on their Mad Hatter chessboard.

Yep, it would be way better if, instead of a new democracy in Iraq, Saddam was still in power making WMD, supporting terror and sheltering al-Qaeda operatives.

Ron Paul style, antiwar, paleocans make me embarrassed to be conservative. If they really desire to surrender to Islam, it would be better if they marched themselves off to become playthings in a gay harem in the Middle East instead of advocating for Muslim victory from the US and making the whole country look like a limp wristed liberal cesspool.

sheikh of thornton on October 25, 2010 at 11:39 AM

So Iraqi security forces can be brutal bastards, just like their counterparts everywhere else? Is this something people didn’t already know?

FWIW, I suspect there was a sound strategic reason for leaving this stuff alone. Everyone knew that the US forces don’t torture people. Just the threat of turning a suspect over to the Iraqis probably convinced quite a few people to cooperate. The Good Cop/Bad Cop routine.

GalosGann on October 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM

Everyone knew that the US forces don’t torture people.

GalosGann on October 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM

What a bald-faced lie. We torture, we’re just not (usually) as nasty as some other people. You did get the Good Cop/Bad Cop routine right though – “Talk or we’ll turn you over to THEM, and those guys make US look like angels!”

Dark-Star on October 25, 2010 at 5:30 PM

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