Video: French throw national tantrum over small reduction to pension “birthright”

posted at 8:27 pm on October 20, 2010 by Allahpundit

If they shake that magical money tree hard enough, a few more Euros are bound to fall out. Non?

For Gilly and many other Frenchmen and women, social benefits such as long vacations, state-subsidized health care and early retirement are more than just luxuries: They’re seen as a birthright — an essential part of the identity of today’s France…

“We want to stop working at 60 because it’s something our parents, our grandparents and even our great-grandparents fought for,” says Gilly, 50, a union representative at Saint-Pierre Cemetery, the largest in this bustling Mediterranean port city.

“And over the years … you can see that we’re losing everything they fought for. And that’s unacceptable.”…

It was in 1982, under Socialist President Francois Mitterrand, that the minimum age to stop working was lowered from 65 to 60. The measure, emblematic of the 14-year Mitterrand presidency, was adopted by a special ordinance that bypassed parliament.

The draconian Sarkozy proposal that’s got them in such a lather: Raising the retirement age to … 62. In other words, not only are these entitlement addicts living beyond their means, they’re returning to a pension age that’s still lower than it was within living memory of many French adults. And even so — weeks and weeks and weeks of protests.

Somehow this seems like a good place to link the Times’s piece this morning wondering where, oh where, the GOP proposes to start cutting federal spending.

But while polls show that the Republicans’ message is succeeding politically, Republican candidates and party leaders are offering few specifics about how they would tackle the nation’s $13.7 trillion debt, and budget analysts said the party was glossing over the difficulty of carrying out its ideas, especially when sharp spending cuts could impede an already weak economic recovery.

“On the actual campaign trail, you are hearing virtually none of the kind of blatant honesty that we need about what changes would fix this situation,” said Maya MacGuineas, the president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, an advocacy group in Washington that promotes fiscal restraint…

A small number of Republicans, notably Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, have called for sharp reductions to Social Security and Medicare to change the nation’s fiscal trajectory. But party leaders and candidates on the stump have largely shunned those proposals, which risk alienating core segments of voters.

As a result, the campaign rhetoric has been largely general if not simplistic.

What MacGuineas means by “blatant honesty” can be seen in this graph put together by AmSpec’s Philip Klein. So massive a component of the federal budget is mandatory spending, a.k.a. entitlements, a.k.a. Social Security, Medicare and unemployment, that even if you cut all defense spending and all discretionary spending, you still wouldn’t quite erase this year’s $1.4 trillion deficit. Laugh at these idiots raising their fists in the clip, then, but don’t laugh too hard: Our boat’s sinking too, and until the public gets serious about it — which they aren’t yet — it’ll keep on sinking. Read Monty’s post at Ace’s site for further thoughts on that.

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SteveMG on October 20, 2010 at 8:28 PM

The sooner people stop buying US federal debt, the better off we will be.

pedestrian on October 20, 2010 at 8:30 PM

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..and they are endowed ….with certain unalienable rights that among these are a guaranteed pension, 2mos of vacation every year, and retirement at a young age….

bear witness to the perversion of “rights” both in France, and here in the US.

ted c on October 20, 2010 at 8:30 PM

The coming battle (one hopes peacefully) will be between the public sector unions and the public.

FDR was vehemently against allowing the unionization of government employees. We’ll find out why pretty soon (if we haven’t already).

SteveMG on October 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM

ok, i have to admit that i sat and looked at the screencap of the two gals on the video and thought, “Hey, cute french chicks..…” and I totally forgot about the topic…

ted c on October 20, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Wait till that sentement reaches our shores

swimcoachmike on October 20, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Which is why I’m stockpiling 8-track tapes and blacklight bulbs. If the gasoline gets cut off by strikes, that’s cool, but without darklight for my velvet Jimi Hendrix poster I would go insane.

Bishop on October 20, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Just remember… the US Dept of defense spends tens (hundreds?) of billions of dollars each year protecting these people, so they can be free to riot over the idea of retiring at 60.

Let America defend America. Let Europe defend Europe.

And failing that, let the Germans teach the French some manners.

JohnGalt23 on October 20, 2010 at 8:33 PM

take “pension birthright” and insert “healthcare birthright” and we’ve got that scenario right heah…

ted c on October 20, 2010 at 8:34 PM

How long before they surrender?

amerpundit on October 20, 2010 at 8:35 PM

Move to Greece!

mankai on October 20, 2010 at 8:35 PM

The coming battle (one hopes peacefully) will be between the public sector unions and the public.

FDR was vehemently against allowing the unionization of government employees. We’ll find out why pretty soon (if we haven’t already).SteveMG on October 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM

I think anyone who is paying attention has found this out, do we get as bad as France, I certainly hope not. That is one bubble that needs to burst soon. FDR was completely correct in this position. No sector should be allowed to hold the American electorate hostage to their demands.

bluemarlin on October 20, 2010 at 8:36 PM

If they were going to protest like this Sarkozy might just as well have raised the retirement age back to 65. Better to go down as a wolf than as a sheep.

Blaise on October 20, 2010 at 8:37 PM

It’s a way of life there… they would be doing it even without the cuts. They ALWAYS find a reason to protest. The weird thing is they have public support for these activities even if the public is for the issue they are protesting against. That’s grammar gymnastics but the truth. The funniest thing is to contrast the French behavior to the British who are cutting much deeper. The British seem to have ‘taking it and getting on’ down to an art form in a similar manner. So near yet so far apart. But then I love France. Great place, great people… they are quite crazy but they know how to enjoy life.

lexhamfox on October 20, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Just remember… the US Dept of defense spends tens (hundreds?) of billions of dollars each year protecting these people, so they can be free to riot over the idea of retiring at 60.

Must be a Frog birthright.

Let America defend America. Let Europe defend Europe.

But see, Europe is our ally because they are ummm well, uhmmm capitalisty?

And failing that, let the Germans teach the French some manners.

JohnGalt23 on October 20, 2010 at 8:33 PM

AnninCAing FROGS!

MeatHeadinCA on October 20, 2010 at 8:38 PM

The breakdown of the traditional family means that we cannot go back to the old way of taking care of the elderly, and the Chinese cannot afford to keep bankrolling the out of control spending.

Soylent Green… it’s the wave of the future! /

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 8:38 PM

But see, Europe is our ally because they are ummm well, uhmmm capitalisty?

MeatHeadinCA on October 20, 2010 at 8:38 PM

They serve as an American base of operations. For example, badly injured troops are flown to Germany.

amerpundit on October 20, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Someone tell those cheese eating surrender monkeys to SHUT UP.

The Expert Knows
http://theexpertsblog.blogspot.com

HotAirExpert on October 20, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Entitlement addicts. LOL!

This is the future people. If we don’t stop all these manchildren and shebrats on the left.

jawkneemusic on October 20, 2010 at 8:40 PM

They serve as an American base of operations. For example, badly injured troops are flown to Germany.

amerpundit on October 20, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Can we buy Germany, then? Maybe we could buy Greece. I hear they aren’t doing so well.

Either way, no sovereign nation should depend on another nation for their defense.

MeatHeadinCA on October 20, 2010 at 8:41 PM

The breakdown of the traditional family means that we cannot go back to the old way of taking care of the elderly

That’s why I’m moving to Alaska, so I can treat my aged parents in the traditional Inuit manner: Setting them adrift on the ice to wait for a passing polar bear.

Bishop on October 20, 2010 at 8:41 PM

Always France with the social unrest. Now that the youth (muslim agitaters) have calmed down the old folks start up.

fourdeucer on October 20, 2010 at 8:42 PM

The Brits are cutting 500k government jobs — I wonder what that would equate to in ours. Say at least 3 million for the sake of debate. Entire departments would have to vanish. Here are a few modest suggestions:

DOEducation
DOEnergy
IRS
DOT
Post Office
DOAg

Those would get the ball rolling at least.

Oh, and cut fed UE assistance out entirely; after all, we are out of the recession and have been for over a year per the gov’s own definition.

GnuBreed on October 20, 2010 at 8:42 PM

That’s why I’m moving to Alaska, so I can treat my aged parents in the traditional Inuit manner: Setting them adrift on the ice to wait for a passing polar bear.

Bishop on October 20, 2010 at 8:41 PM

That works and its environmentally friendly as well.

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM

The breakdown of the traditional family means that we cannot go back to the old way of taking care of the elderly, and the Chinese cannot afford to keep bankrolling the out of control spending.

Soylent Green… it’s the wave of the future! /

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 8:38 PM

France is the only modern, industrialized, nation where families still stop and dine together without television. It’s really nice to participate in that and there village life is amazing. It’s also the one place in the modern world where the mayor of a small town will take the time to call the family of trouble makers to explain why they are being asked to leave. It wasn’t me but I know the mother of the n’er do well who got the call. They still have traditional family life in France. It’s one of the reasons why I am one American who will always be fond of the place.

lexhamfox on October 20, 2010 at 8:45 PM

GnuBreed on October 20, 2010 at 8:42 PM

While Ed sucks and needs to go, I think you could get most Americans behind getting rid of the post office… gotta plan a whole 45 mins just to go mail a small package … must be nice having perpetual lunch breaks.

MeatHeadinCA on October 20, 2010 at 8:47 PM

Oh, and sorry, Ed M… wasn’t referring to you. Oooops. ^^^^

MeatHeadinCA on October 20, 2010 at 8:48 PM

They still have traditional family life in France. It’s one of the reasons why I am one American who will always be fond of the place.

lexhamfox on October 20, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Is that true in the cities where most of the population lives as well?

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 8:48 PM

They look like astroturfers to me.

El_Terrible on October 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

The French are famous for their tantrums. What will probably happen is that they’ll rant and rave for a few weeks/months then go on and learn to live with it all.

jeanie on October 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Paris is like a different country.. the people there are not like the rest of the country. Marseilles is like that though and I don’t know Lyons enough to say. My brother lived in Toulon and loved it.

lexhamfox on October 20, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Waiting for the GenYners to complain that the boomers are sucking up their hard earned dollars.

We’ve got a bunch of bureaucracies to defund abolish. OSHA, EPA, Dept. of Ag. Dept. of Ed.

Dismantle them. Then we can talk about social security, medicare/caid.

I want to get rid of all of it.

davidk on October 20, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Did France have a baby boom generation after WWII also? If so, the younger people should be demanding that the retirement age be raised even higher and faster. The baby boomers are going to have to work longer than they would have otherwise had they not aborted so many future tax payers. Are these French Marxists really that stupid? (No need to answer that.)

FloatingRock on October 20, 2010 at 8:56 PM

communists take to the streets when benifits are cut in Europe. in america tax payers also known as TEA partiers take to the street when benifits are raised…..

We are just made different….It’s in a self selected DNA gene which was brought over here when our ancestors fled Europe.

unseen on October 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Does anyone really see us acting like this over extra work? I wish working longer to get out of problems was even an option at this point. Although if The Won allows gas and heating fuel prices to skyrocket during 10% unemployment, I think he might hear about it. Still not sure about the rioting, that’s not logical.

Cindy Munford on October 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Just to clarify, the raise from 60 to 62 is for early retirement with partial benefits. The full retirement is being raised to (I think) 67.

Also, the high Brit estimate was 500k jobs. I’m guessing they will go nowhere near that.

Having said that, I think public sector unions should be illegal. The power to keep voting your own raises and benefits (by voting dem) is way out of line with the private sector.

WitchDoctor on October 20, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Looks like I picked the wrong week to leave the union…

/

Seven Percent Solution on October 20, 2010 at 8:58 PM

In the eigheeth century, France was preeminent in mathematics. In the nineteenth, allowing for the horrible losses in the Napoleonic years, she was also a great leader. But now France and her citizens have lost the ability to do the basic arithmetic needed to balance their books, or to understand why they do not balance. Langrange, Laplace, Fourier, Cauchy, and Galois should be roiling in the graves.

njcommuter on October 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM

The UK may need to cut 500k jubs, but they got plenty of big brother money:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8075563/Every-email-and-website-to-be-stored.html

davidk on October 20, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Contrast the press’s coverage of this behavior and this “movement” (if you will) with that of the Tea Party.

For the latter if some 70-year old in a walker behaved rudely at a townhall, that was indicative of the ugliness of the movement. The TPers’ were ugly white people afraid of losing their white dominance. Or some such nonsense.

Here we have riots and open violence yet the press isn’t concerned about labeling the movement as violent-prone.

SteveMG on October 20, 2010 at 9:02 PM

If they shake that magical money tree hard enough, a few more Euros are bound to fall out. Non?

That reminds me of this commercial.

Weight of Glory on October 20, 2010 at 9:02 PM

We want to stop working at 60 because it’s something our parents, our grandparents and even our great-grandparents fought for,” says Gilly

Um, which war was that again?

katy the mean old lady on October 20, 2010 at 9:02 PM

The sooner people stop buying US federal debt, the better off we will be.

pedestrian on October 20, 2010 at 8:30 PM

Then the Fed will just step up the pace at which they’re monetizing the debt at with yet another round of ‘necessary’ quantitative easing. Then we’ll get to have a dollar crisis. What fun.

Inkblots on October 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Until we get serious about entitlements AKA Medicare and Medicaid, not even just Social Security that every one likes to talk about, this is our future. No federal program is cut. EVER. That needs to change

MyImamToldMeToDoIt on October 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Here are a few modest suggestions:

DOEducation
DOEnergy
IRS
DOT
Post Office
DOAg

Those would get the ball rolling at least.

GnuBreed on October 20, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Yep, and revoke JFK’s executive order that authorized public employee unions.

This would be a good start.

petefrt on October 20, 2010 at 9:05 PM

How brave, too bad they couldn’t muster that fighting spirit when the Nazis came marching down the Champs Elysees.

RedRedRice on October 20, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Again … Americans ARE NOT the French.

You go out and tell Americans that they can build a better future for their kids by giving up all these entitlements – and Americans will buy into the deal as long as …

The Government is serious.

That means … don’t tell Grandma she has to give up her Social Security while refusing to defund the National Endowment for the Arts or Public Radio or … AMTRAK.

Hell – I think everyone in the Tea Party would give up their Social Security benefits if the Government actually secured the borders and rounded up and deported EVERY SINGLE illegal alien with no exceptions.

You cut government spending by 75 percent and implement a flat tax – hell, you can have my entire military retirement paycheck – I’m serious.

The key to cuts is to GIVE the people something in return for them. What has the French government promised to it’s people in return for raising the retirement age to 62?

Without any concrete commitments from the French government to seriously cut spending – then the French know they’ll be asked in five years to increase their retirement age yet again.

If you can solve the long term debt problem and convince the public you’re serious about giving the nation back to them – and their children – then people will accept cuts.

THINK ABOUT IT.

HondaV65 on October 20, 2010 at 9:11 PM

What will happen to us? Inflation? We all live like kings. Whatever happened to rice & beans?

Paul-Cincy on October 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM

They still have traditional family life in France. It’s one of the reasons why I am one American who will always be fond of the place.

lexhamfox on October 20, 2010 at 8:45 PM

We should still make fun of them, however.

communists take to the streets when benifits are cut in Europe. in america tax payers also known as TEA partiers take to the street when benifits are raised…..

We are just made different….It’s in a self selected DNA gene which was brought over here when our ancestors fled Europe.

unseen on October 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

So racking up huge debts and then protesting when you have to pay for them is somehow different? Don’t get me wrong I understand some of the sentiments behind the Tea Party but is it really that different? France entered the recession later and emerged earlier than the Anglo-American economies. They have about 1/3rd of the national debt the US does and it is relatively recent. They are doing the prudent thing and addressing it earlier rather than later. European pension plans are generally in much better shape that social security in the US.

How brave, too bad they couldn’t muster that fighting spirit when the Nazis came marching down the Champs Elysees.

RedRedRice on October 20, 2010 at 9:06 PM

That’s pathetic. They declared war in ’39 and fought. They had half a million casualties and half of those were civilian. Their country was devastated by WW2.

lexhamfox on October 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM

a union representative at Saint-Pierre Cemetery

All those voters.
The Dems are jealous.

justltl on October 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Just print enough money to cover the current pensions.

And here? Just print enough money to cover the costs of Social Security, Medicare and unemployment.

That’ll fix it. No problem.

Gold vs. bubble gum.

Which is there are lot of?
Which is much less of?

Which is more valuable?
Which is less valuable?

How much gold would it take to buy a house?
How many barrels or pick up truck loads of bubble gum would it take to buy a house?

How many barrels or pick up truck loads of over inflated dollars will it take to buy a house? Or a loaf of bread?

BowHuntingTexas on October 20, 2010 at 9:16 PM

How brave, too bad they couldn’t muster that fighting spirit when the Nazis came marching down the Champs Elysees.

RedRedRice on October 20, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Well to be fair it was pretty savage fighting. They lost 2,000 dead/day which is comparable to the Battle of the Bulge which was no picnic.

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM

The FUNNIEST thing I’ve seen about the French unrest was on the BBC in the early morning as I was channel surfing.

A Muslim woman was wailing because her car had been torched in the unrest. That there was just funny.

Canadian Infidel on October 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM

How brave, too bad they couldn’t muster that fighting spirit when the Nazis came marching down the Champs Elysees.

RedRedRice on October 20, 2010 at 9:06 PM

France today has been a better ally than is publicly acknowledged. You can look it up.

Historically French forces fought well, for messed up political leaders.
The French in North Africa fought well against the US, the UK, and the Germans. Bir Hakeim showed the potential for the French as allies.

For another historical aside, the French army after Dunkirk fought harder. The Germans had significant casualties. France surrendered by a collapse of political and national will. Poor leadership can doom even good armies.

NaCly dog on October 20, 2010 at 9:21 PM

I read this earlier and I’m actually embarrassed for them. They are showing the whole world what immature, lazy bums they are. I blush for them.

But, what else can be expected from a citizenry that stayed on vacay while their parents and grandparents died in the summer heat a few years ago.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 20, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Poor leadership can doom even good armies.

NaCly dog on October 20, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Obama is doing his best to show us a modern example.

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 9:24 PM

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM

My bad, but it puts into perspective their current “fight.”

RedRedRice on October 20, 2010 at 9:25 PM

Seems to me that they should bring in scabs to ensure distribution of food and fuel….only to non-union members. Furthermore, government benefits and services should be withdrawn from strikers — including transport, electricity, water…. Union members can break the strike or starve in the dark.

cthulhu on October 20, 2010 at 9:25 PM

This is the new French National anthem.

simkeith on October 20, 2010 at 9:27 PM

My bad, but it puts into perspective their current “fight.”

RedRedRice on October 20, 2010 at 9:25 PM

The French have been cursed with idiot leaders for a long time. They keep supporting leftists and the results often cripple their nation. They aren’t cowards, just stupid.

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 9:28 PM

France today. This is what happens when the Nanny State runs out of money, or when “rights” are made up out of whole cloth.

UK is laying off thousands of government employees. No riots…yet…but the Brits have always been a bit more civilized than their French neighbors. /

And here in the US?

We will see when January arrives and Obamacare and other Nanny State perks and promises are put in the dustbin.

coldwarrior on October 20, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Frogs. It’s what’s for dinner.

EZnSF on October 20, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Yep, and revoke JFK’s executive order that authorized public employee unions.

This would be a good start.

petefrt on October 20, 2010 at 9:05 PM

no no no!

it’s the rent….too damn high!

ted c on October 20, 2010 at 9:32 PM

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Cursed with idiot leaders, sounds familiar.

RedRedRice on October 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM

Cursed with idiot leaders, sounds familiar.

RedRedRice on October 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM

Hopefully we can short circuit that fate.

sharrukin on October 20, 2010 at 9:36 PM

This will be us if we don’t ween ourselves off of the entitlements

Kini on October 20, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Seems to me that they should bring in scabs to ensure distribution of food and fuel

The government tried to get scabs and even union line breakers through, but the strikers were pouring fuel on the ground and lighting it up, things like that.

You take your life into your hands trying to break a French union line.

Bishop on October 20, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Its like State’s rights, right?
As long as it doesn’t affect America’s liberty, tax payers and national security. France can do as they wish. No matter how foolish or otherwise it may seem.

PunditFight on October 20, 2010 at 9:47 PM

The measure, emblematic of the 14-year Mitterrand presidency, was adopted by a special ordinance that bypassed parliament.

Obama must have been reading from his playbook.

PattyJ on October 20, 2010 at 9:48 PM

sure, reform SS, Medicare and Medicaid. Just remember that SS dollars coming in have only recently been less than the SS outflows.

what this really is is repudiation of the explicit debt owed to soon to be seniors.

the 1.5T dollar deficit is not due to the seniors…don’t be fooled by the pea under the thimble

r keller on October 20, 2010 at 9:50 PM

I do believe that’s the communist anthem The Internationale playing at the march, non?

Quelle surprise!

PattyJ on October 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Let them protest. And dock their pay for every minute they are off the job. When they are done protesting they will still have to go to work.

What is it about the French and work? It seems there is some national allergic reaction to actually being productive.

crosspatch on October 20, 2010 at 10:13 PM

I want my cake and eat it too!

Kini on October 20, 2010 at 10:44 PM

lexhamfox on October 20, 2010 at 8:45 PM

I can appreciate your admiration of the French in their village life, for they share the same qualities that can be found in small-town America, where family and neighbors are valued and protected.

However, it was not that long ago that many elderly French died of heat protastration when their families exited the cities for their month-long vacations and left the care of their older family members to a faceless society.

onlineanalyst on October 20, 2010 at 11:41 PM

Getting rid of federal government unions is step one, after that you have to go round up the horses.

Then we have to crush federal salaries, ongoing and future pensions, and benefits, and I don’t want to hear any crap about ‘contractual obligations’, -real law was pretty much ignored in the case of Chrysler bondholders and not much was said about that.

Then start cutting headcount in the federal government.

slickwillie2001 on October 20, 2010 at 11:43 PM

I wonder how they would feel if they paid $500 a month for the better part of their working career into a system that will not be around in the future?

tommer74 on October 20, 2010 at 11:56 PM

They still have traditional family life in France. It’s one of the reasons why I am one American who will always be fond of the place.

lexhamfox on October 20, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Just like in rural/suburban America, yes. In the cities, not so much. Paris is fun to visit, but it’s basically Los Angeles in terms of attitude and morality (and yes, some fine people live in LA, but it has a reputation for a reason). Marseilles is bloody terrifying…. you can just FEEL that the crime lords own that town, and anywhere outside the harbor is DISGUSTING. The “youth” in the cities are, to a great extent, out of control.

The villages, however, are filled with warm and welcoming people – those who like their privacy, but are excellent and caring neighbors.

The best expression of the French character that I saw while I was there in Fall 2005 was a poster on a window in Apt: it advertised a benefit concert being held to raise money for those affected by Hurricane Katrina. In recognition of New Orleans’ French origin, they were willing to send money to the other side of the world, to help people they would never meet. Though this happens all the time in American churches, I was touched to see it there.

Animator Girl on October 21, 2010 at 12:29 AM

I can see the same thing happening here in CA. Try cutting the pay and pensions of state & local workers, cutting Social Security and Medicare, etc. The cities would be full of violent protesters, and the gov. union people would strike.

But it still needs to be done. Such behavior proves it’s bread and circuses, and there is no good end to that scenario. Putting it off makes it worse.

We’re like a family in debt, we have a few choices left, unless we keep spending until we don’t.

The wise will have the means to defend themselves.

jodetoad on October 21, 2010 at 2:27 AM

It would be fascinating to watch the collapse of their society, except for all the people it will harm.

Kind of like the experiment people here did voting for Obama.

scotash on October 21, 2010 at 3:45 AM

I feel bad for the Germans.

When the only country in “Old Europe” that is still producing anything gets fed up with paying for the Greeks, the French and others, it may not end well.

reaganaut on October 21, 2010 at 4:34 AM

How brave, too bad they couldn’t muster that fighting spirit when the Nazis came marching down the Champs Elysees.

That’s an unfortunate myth, and one of my pet peeves.

You can’t blame the thousands of French troops for the sheer imcompetence of their high command and national leaders.

While their leaders dithered and hid out in bunkers, French troops fought and died, and comments like that from brave, brave bloggers (and others who have never seen combat, let alone faced the onslaught of wave after wave of Stukas, He-111s, massive German artillery and the highly mobile Panzer divisions…) are pretty pathetic.

reaganaut on October 21, 2010 at 4:42 AM

Go to many Asian cities, and you see more construction cranes than people. Slight exaggeration, but only slight. That’s referred to as the developing world.

What do you call France, spiraling towards 3rd world status? The regressing world? The decaying world?

MNHawk on October 21, 2010 at 7:08 AM

Maybe if they just ring the goose’s neck a little bit harder, it will resume laying golden eggs….

(…and we fought in WWI and WWII to save these bums?)

olesparkie on October 21, 2010 at 7:28 AM

That’s an unfortunate myth, and one of my pet peeves.

You can’t blame the thousands of French troops for the sheer imcompetence of their high command and national leaders.

While their leaders dithered and hid out in bunkers, French troops fought and died, and comments like that from brave, brave bloggers (and others who have never seen combat, let alone faced the onslaught of wave after wave of Stukas, He-111s, massive German artillery and the highly mobile Panzer divisions…) are pretty pathetic.

reaganaut on October 21, 2010 at 4:42 AM

Couldn’t have put it better.

madne0 on October 21, 2010 at 7:32 AM

You know, I believe that each one of us in our daily lives can come up with a list of items to be cut from budgets. They might not be huge cuts, but if these lists would be compiled from coast to coast, they’d show how millions, or billions of dollars could be saved each year.

One of my pet peeves is the time and money spent landscaping highway medians and interchanges. Sure, it would be nice to have flowering gardens and shady trees around the roadways. However, it costs a fortune to plant them and most of the ones I’ve seen are rarely watered, never weeded, and when part of them die, the end result is a sad display of money wasted.

Let’s start compiling, guys. Send your lists to your local, state, and federal representatives. We have to start somewhere, with something we experience in our own lives.

Sloan Morganstern on October 21, 2010 at 8:14 AM

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and they are endowed ….with certain unalienable rights that among these are a guaranteed pension, 2mos of vacation every year, and retirement at a young age….

bear witness to the perversion of “rights” both in France, and here in the US.

ted c on October 20, 2010 at 8:30 PM

Don’t forget “the rent is too high”. Lower rent is another of those rights.

shick on October 21, 2010 at 8:31 AM

Heh. “FQ” indeed.

batter on October 21, 2010 at 9:27 AM

Well, since the Left view SS as a sacred cow, we can put them on the horns of a dilemma when we cut out parts of the bureaucracy or the bureaucracys pay and benefits, “would you rather cut Social Security?”

LarryD on October 21, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Well, since the Left view SS as a sacred cow, we can put them on the horns of a dilemma when we cut out parts of the bureaucracy or the bureaucracys pay and benefits, “would you rather cut Social Security?”

LarryD on October 21, 2010 at 11:25 AM

I believe that any responsibility that the progressives feel or claim for seniors is about to end. Once seniors are no longer a must-have group for the democratics, they will go under the bus. It’s all about demographics.

Hispanics are about to become the democratics’ number one target group, to the detriment of seniors as well as blacks.

slickwillie2001 on October 21, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Can we buy Germany, then? Maybe we could buy Greece. I hear they aren’t doing so well.

Either way, no sovereign nation should depend on another nation for their defense.

MeatHeadinCA on October 20, 2010 at 8:41 PM

We might be able to buy one of those, or France. I hear they’re having a fire sale. =P

VekTor on October 21, 2010 at 6:59 PM