Rachel Maddow: Did you know that a GOP congressman had advance notice of the Oklahoma City bombing?

posted at 7:13 pm on October 20, 2010 by Allahpundit

Look at it this way: If you’re going to smear conservatives in order to turn out a few extra liberals at the polls next month, this is a heck of a lot more effective than the White House’s dopey demagoguery of the Chamber of Commerce.

Newsbusters did all the work in debunking this so I’m going to make you click here to read their post in full. Suffice it to say, no, Rep. Steve Stockman didn’t receive “advance notice” of anything. But rest assured that if he had gotten a fax about the bombing in advance, he’d still be getting smeared in precisely these same terms even had he turned the fax over to police right away (which he did on the day of the bombing). It reminds me, in fact, of lefty hero Alan Grayson accusing Bush a few months ago of having let 9/11 happen. Technically he was accusing Bush of not having taken the warnings about a hijacking plot seriously enough, but the “let it happen” rhetoric was his sly way of suggesting that Bush knew what was coming and happily allowed it to occur to further his policy agenda. The left likes to call that sort of loaded language a “dog whistle” insofar as certain listeners will hear extra meaning in it, and that’s certainly true in the Grayson example: He’s winking at Truthers and hardcore Bush-hating lefties by hinting that Bush was in cahoots with Al Qaeda while being careful not to explicitly accuse him of anything. Maddow is doing something similar here, presenting the point about the fax ostensibly to show only that Stockman was “close” to militias, but of course the (incorrect) rhetoric about “advance notice” implies something similar to Grayson’s point — that Stockman knew what was going down and cheerily kept it to himself to help his terrorist buddies out. And lest you doubt that this sort of scaremongering is geared at helping Democratic turnout, here are the very next words she uttered after the bit about Stockman:

There are extremist candidates who from time to time survive the churn of electoral politics and actually make it into the mainstream. There‘s always a few. But there has never been this many.

None of this makes any sense. We‘re just about to elect a whole bunch of extremists—unless thing change in the next two week.

Two weeks out. How do Democrats run against this? That‘s next.

So there you go. Oh, one more point: Outside the Beltway dug around a bit and found that this isn’t the first time she’s referred to Stockman and Oklahoma City on air. Back in March, she also mentioned the fax incident — except that, on that occasion, she noted that the fax was received after the bombing, not before. How that turned into “advance notice” this time, I don’t know. Check the calendar, I guess.


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Chuck, the only way she could be hot is standing next to a dem woman. You know, babes like Helen Thomas and Shrillary Clinton. And as for Bayam…You could get rid of that pain if you pulled your head out of your backside.

thekingtut on October 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Welcome to the echo chamber. 12% of Americans watch MSNBC as their main news network. The question wasn’t posited in the way you seem to think it was. You’re reading too many right-wing blogs.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Watching a channel as your main news network is also known as…ahem…trusting it for your news.

And Fox was…what? Oh yeah. 42%. Hum a little more and maybe reality will go away.

MadisonConservative on October 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Yes, silly season is far behind us, now…

Gonzo season is now in full swing!

ajacksonian on October 20, 2010 at 8:20 PM

Their desperation is beyond measure. tee-hee.

ctmom on October 20, 2010 at 8:21 PM

BruthaMan on October 20, 2010 at 8:08 PM
Welcome to the echo chamber. 12% of Americans watch MSNBC as their main news network. The question wasn’t posited in the way you seem to think it was. You’re reading too many right-wing blogs.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:14 PM

In other news….12% of Americans have less than five braincells. If you cannot see that MSNBC is so left, they LEAN FORWARD, you are blind. Fox News has Geraldo, Alan Colmes, Huckabee….and this rightwing blog has AP.

HornetSting on October 20, 2010 at 8:21 PM

Why are the hot ones always crazy?
Chuck Schick on October 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM

She wouldn’t be hot if she were on fire. Now, what say you and I head on over to the eponymous Fox network.

turfmann on October 20, 2010 at 8:21 PM

If you cannot see that MSNBC is so left, they LEAN FORWARD, you are blind. Fox News has Geraldo, Alan Colmes

I never said that MSNBC wasn’t left-leaning. I just said that one statement doesn’t make Maddow a hate filled bitch. And I think it’s good to see third parties call her out when she presents wrong facts.

My belief is that while Americans may disagree on important issues, it’s not because either Dems or Repubs have underlying character flaws or evil intentions.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Nawww…that one’s been around for quite awhile.

BigWyo on October 20, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Really?! Can’t believe I’ve missed it; it’s a pretty obnoxious one.

IrishEi on October 20, 2010 at 8:29 PM

I was pretty shocked by this accusation and despite hardly ever watching her show I happened to have it on in the background when she made it. I was doing something else but I stopped, rewound the DVR and played it again in disbelief and checked to make sure it was BS. It was.

lexhamfox on October 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Welcome to the echo chamber. 12% of Americans watch MSNBC as their main news network. The question wasn’t posited in the way you seem to think it was. You’re reading too many right-wing blogs.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:14 PM

That’s it, just dismiss the facts with name-calling (“echo chamber”). If you don’t rely on a station, then you don’t trust it. Why is that concept do difficult to grasp?

If you actually read the Politico article about that pollyou’ll see the text:

“Among cable news channels, Fox was the clear winner, with 42 percent of respondents saying it is their main source, compared with 30 percent who cited CNN and 12 percent who rely on MSNBC.”

Amusingly, you will also see the text:

“MSNBC’s personalities were largely ranked as unknown by respondents: 70 percent said they had never heard of Ed Schultz, 55 percent said they had never heard of Rachel Maddow and 42 percent said they had never heard of Keith Olbermann.”

Welcome to MSNBC. Just hear those crickets chriping.

OneVision on October 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM

One sentence is turned into a major fear-mongering campaign?

This is your defense to her oh-so-casually suggesting that a Republican congressman was in cahoots with the guy who perpetrated the worst domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history? That it was only one sentence?

Any qualms about the fact that she’s not only smearing this guy but suggesting that it’s a reason to vote against the GOP this year too — because, of course, other Republicans must surely be buddy buddy with domestic terrorists? Any misgivings at all here?

Allahpundit on October 20, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Welcome to MSNBC. Just hear those crickets chriping.

OneVision on October 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Damn – you lack of SpellCheck – “chirping” obviously was the intended spelling.

OneVision on October 20, 2010 at 8:35 PM

There are extremist candidates who from time to time survive the churn of electoral politics and actually make it into the mainstream. There‘s always a few. But there has never been this many.

None of this makes any sense. We‘re just about to elect a whole bunch of extremists—unless thing change in the next two week.

Maddow ^^ and other Leftwingers like her are desperate — desperate — to force themselves on humanity as the representatives of “moderate” (which means, “I’m mainstream and all my associates are mainstream and if you are not among my kind, you’re an extremist”). While Maddow and those like her are ANYthing but moderate and ARE, indeed, the actual extremists.

It’s like pedophiles claiming that they’re “good neighbors” who “love kids” and are “there to help you while you’re busy working.”

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 8:40 PM

You’re reading too many right-wing blogs.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Yeah, that must be the problem. Too many right-wing blogs made Maddow blatantly lie. Too many right-wing blogs didn’t cover the new math that says 12% really means 88%. The problem isn’t the twelve percenters like you, it’s everyone else. I know…suspend belief and all that stuff.

If that’s the sort of mental reasoning you want to convince people you are capable of…I won’t stand in your way.

BruthaMan on October 20, 2010 at 8:40 PM

What Maddow points out, not intentionally, is that she is, indeed, very far Left and very much not “moderate”.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 8:41 PM

Dingbat63 on October 20, 2010 at 7:42 PM
She is on the American left channel, Glenn, Levin, Hannity, Mike Church and Rose & Bauer are on the Patriot channel which used to be the American Right channel. fourdeucer on October 20, 2010 at 7:48 PM

Dang you are right…I was thinking of the other harpie, Randy Rhodes who is on 165. Hard to tell which one is worse.

Dingbat63 on October 20, 2010 at 8:46 PM

You’re reading too many right-wing blogs.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:14 PM

The Left exists and can only exist in closed societies. The Entertainment industry, much of the “social sciences,” as also, in general, academia, and certainly in public-jobs (employment in the public sector): without these “industries,” the Left could and would not exist except for Lone Leftists yelling at people on corners and in front of supermarket entrances/exits and such.

So I take it, bayam, that you exist within one of those closed societies (I listed in previous paragraph). When one is IN them, it is impossible to see the world outside because all the windows and doors are foiled with some sort of Leftwing indoctrination wrap — if and when you peek around it, you’ll get reprimanded by a Leftwinger who’ll advise you that you’re not popular or some sort of threat similar to that, related to “social standing”: all the Liberals will stare at you, you won’t fit in, no one will invite you to their party, you won’t have as many ‘friends’ as they do on Facebook, yadda, yadda, yadda…

The Left indoctrinates people with threats of social status and social failure. As long as you cling to one or more of the Leftwing closed societies, “you’re safe” (which means, you’re O.K. but everyone outside, there, is wrong).

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Hey, maybe the PR firm of Axelrod & Gibbs could lend a hand to Rachel’s 12% ratings (or, 55% unknown) woes. Their message could go something like this:

“It’s not the substance of the message she is trying to say that’s turning people off. She’s just got to do a better job in the way she delivers that message to the American people.”

Yeah, that strategy is bound to work; it worked before, right? Yeah, that’s the ticket . . . .

OneVision on October 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

bayam

I’ll give you this, you’ve got a lot of team spirit. A quasi-anchor for a supposed news organization is insinuating that a US rep knew the Oklahoma City bombing was coming and let it happen and you don’t see anything unprofessional about that. She should be able do it because others (who have different job descriptions, mind you — Rush is not a news anchor or reporter) do it. On your principle, I think I’ll show up at my office building for work in nothing but a bathing suit and flip-flops tomorrow and it’ll be okay because that’s what lifeguards do.

shazbat on October 20, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Scraper, meet Bottom of the Barrel.

The Mega Independent on October 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

The Left exists and can only exist in closed societies. The Entertainment industry, much of the “social sciences,” as also, in general, academia, and certainly in public-jobs (employment in the public sector): without these “industries,” the Left could and would not exist except for Lone Leftists yelling at people on corners and in front of supermarket entrances/exits and such

What about the new economy sectors- such as software, biotech, plus online- and the 3 most successful capitalists in the USA? Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and Larry Ellison are all left-leaning. Or name one major internet or biotech company that wasn’t founded and run by non-Republicans. Name one cutting-edge industry that isn’t run by members of this ‘closed society.’ Google? Microsoft? Facebook? Who invented blogging for that matter? Everytime you go online your’e playing right into their hands.

By your logic, Republicans are only relevant in dying industries and businesses of the past, and certainly are doing nothing to drive job growth or increase America’s competitiveness.

By the way, our Founding Fathers were elitists in every respect, so don’t get carried away.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Rachel has resorted to out and out lying. Why would she do something so dumb that could be so easily disproved? Must be some kind of liberal syndrome.

jeanie on October 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM

This dishonest people must be removed from our media. They are deliberately poisoning this nation.

rayra on October 20, 2010 at 9:02 PM

She should be sued. This is a crime.

Ronnie on October 20, 2010 at 9:07 PM

bayam – you are are real puke and lower than a snake’s belly. maddow is an ugly person and your defense proves the line “birds of a feather”. You disgust me.

CWforFreedom on October 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Nothing will come of this.

It’s cool to be a truther in Democrat circles.

tetriskid on October 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Bayam is ProudRino- count it.

CWforFreedom on October 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM

I’m not sure who that dude is, but he’s gotta go. What a nut bar!

The Expert Knows
http://theexpertsblog.blogspot.com

HotAirExpert on October 20, 2010 at 9:17 PM

She’s one of those mean women Ms. Dowdy neglected to name.

shazbat on October 20, 2010 at 8:56 PM

HA!

scalleywag on October 20, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Bayam is ProudRino- count it.

CWforFreedom on October 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM

I was thinking crr6.

malclave on October 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM

A quasi-anchor for a supposed news organization is insinuating that a US rep knew the Oklahoma City bombing was coming and let it happen and you don’t see anything unprofessional about that

I never said that it was professional or acceptable- unless she has irrefutable evidence to back it up. I only said that one inappropriate comment doesn’t turn her into a hate-spewing bitch.

As for objective network news, that clearly went by the wayside the day that Americans accepted Fox. Fox News has broken the market into political segments and unfortunately, as a result, too many people on both sides watch biased news and don’t know any better.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:19 PM

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM

No, the founding fathers were certainly the elite, but few of them were elitist in their outlook.

JeffWeimer on October 20, 2010 at 9:20 PM

By the way, our Founding Fathers were elitists in every respect, so don’t get carried away.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM

“Hence, when the ‘will of the legislature stands in opposition to that of the people declared in the Constitution,’ the judge ought to be governed by the latter rather than the former.”
* * *
“Denying that this role rendered the judiciary superior to the legislature, Hamilton argued that these arrangements only guaranteed the superiority of the people to both branches.”

- Richard B. Morris, Witnesses at the Creation: Hamilton, Madison, Jay, and the Constitution, at p.46 (New York: New American Library 1985) (quoting Founding Father Alexander Hamilton) (emphasis added).

Yeah, a real “elitist” there, wasn’t he?

OneVision on October 20, 2010 at 9:23 PM

I never said that MSNBC wasn’t left-leaning. I just said that one statement doesn’t make Maddow a hate filled bitch. And I think it’s good to see third parties call her out when she presents wrong facts.

My belief is that while Americans may disagree on important issues, it’s not because either Dems or Repubs have underlying character flaws or evil intentions.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Actually, yeah, making a knowingly dishonest accusation of this specific nature and severity would be sufficient for her to qualify as a “hate filled bitch”, even if it was a totally isolated incident — which, as others have documented, it ain’t.

Cylor on October 20, 2010 at 9:27 PM

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM

No, the founding fathers were certainly the elite, but few of them were elitist in their outlook.

JeffWeimer on October 20, 2010 at 9:20 PM

For a group of men who often quoted Roman and Greek philosophers in the original Latin, they were non-elitest in their outlook. Although I don’t think you’d like their utter disregard for anyone as uneducated, poorly read, and relatively ignorant as Palin who saw themselves as qualified for office.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM

You may disagree with Maddow, but it’s unfortunate that Hot Air has to turn every position or fact disagreement into a major character issue. One sentence is turned into a major fear-mongering campaign? If that’s the only statement that’s contested, was everything else she said during that broadcast factual?

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 7:53 PM

I and the rest of humanity obviously missed the one time Maddow was not hateful, slanderous and out of her mind via her use of the media. / not sarc.

Oh, but she speaks calmly. So that makes the 99.99% of her “fear-mongering” O.K. /sarc.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:34 PM

their utter disregard for anyone as uneducated, poorly read, and relatively ignorant as Palin who saw themselves as qualified for office.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM

“Their” (writers of Constitution): “old, white men” per the Left today.

“Palin”: Conservative female. Also “white”.

I’d say you’re saturated in not only racism, but also ageism and genderism. I’m thinking you’re really popular among your Leftwing vanity groups.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:36 PM

I never said that MSNBC wasn’t left-leaning. I just said that one statement doesn’t make Maddow a hate filled bitch. And I think it’s good to see third parties call her out when she presents wrong facts.

My belief is that while Americans may disagree on important issues, it’s not because either Dems or Repubs have underlying character flaws or evil intentions.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:27 PM

One statement benched David Shuster for two weeks. And, again, you’re blind if you cannot see that most of what Rachel Madcow says is conjecture. And, I didn’t call her a hatefilled bitch. You did. I personally don’t believe she has the proper equipment for that name.
And, your second point…George Soros just paid one million dollars to discount Glenn Beck and Fox News. YOU immediately went after Glenn Beck for spewing ‘hate’. It sounds like you need to point that stinky finger of yours back at your own ilk.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:27 PM

HornetSting on October 20, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Bayam is ProudRino- count it.

CWforFreedom on October 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM

I was thinking crr6.

malclave on October 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM

I’m thinking Hispanic ethnic supremacist.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:37 PM

That Maddow dude is crazy. So are both of his viewers.

crushliberalism on October 20, 2010 at 9:38 PM

And they say the National Inquirer ia a make believe newspaper

Kini on October 20, 2010 at 9:38 PM

. . . .uneducated, poorly read, and relatively ignorant as Palin who saw themselves as qualified for office.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM

If only Palin could have been a community organizer like BHO, then she, too, would have been qualified to run. Guess being a governor can’t compare to community organizer status to access the fast-track to the Presidency. Who knew?

Guess you have to attend the “elitist” schools like Harvard to qualify, huh?

OneVision on October 20, 2010 at 9:40 PM

By the way, our Founding Fathers were elitists in every respect, so don’t get carried away.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM

They were intelligent, brave and quite heroic individualists, as also all men of faith and proud of it. All of them well educated intellectually and emotionally, which, I believe, was the source of their bravery moreso than anything, as also a product of great parenting in their individual lives.

Try thinking those ^^ good thoughts for a while and see how much better you feel afterward, and stop judging “our Founding Fathers” in such a hostile, resentful perspective.

How about all those privileges that exist for the people of Puerto Rico? Those “elitist” Founding Fathers made that later development possible by the Constitution they earlier wrote.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:43 PM

their utter disregard for anyone as uneducated, poorly read, and relatively ignorant as Palin who saw themselves as qualified for office.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM

“Their” (writers of Constitution): “old, white men” per the Left today.

“Palin”: Conservative female. Also “white”.

You don’t understand the level of education the founders achieved with the exception of Washington (who compensated by going to pains to demonstrate his respect for the most educated and intelligent). And you don’t seem to comprehend their general contempt for politicians who failed to match their exceptional education, worldly knowledge, and high standard of intelligence. Palin wouldn’t hold their attention for more than 30 seconds. It has nothing to do with race or gender- although Palin defenders tend to get nastily self-righteous when these facts are pointed out.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Rachel just acknowledged that she made a mistake and issued an on-air correction.

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 9:46 PM

of course, tim mcveigh is always a “militia member” but no one ever mentions his connection to Elohim city and the american Nazis (racist socialists)..and how the only militia meeting he ever attended he was bodily thrown out. for being a racist socialist.

but he was a CRAZY RIGHT WING MILITIA member. right. sure.

warhorse_03826 on October 20, 2010 at 7:50 PM

What I read from the Left that seems to be their one big icky aspect about McVeigh was that he was “a white male” and he “had blue eyes.”

He was also a Democrat but that, the Left continues to suppress.

The essence of things that are bugging most on the Left really is racism: theirs, as to “White people.” Really, you scratch at it, prod it a bit, and in the essence of allll that the Left really loathes is that “White people” — some of whom are also Christian, some of whom are also Conservative (and female) — exist. Prod the Left, that’ll eventually come up but under various code phrases like “our Founding Fathers” who they then bash in with various handicaps and liabilities, the Constitution those guys wrote (which they’ll also claim is a product of those “old white guys” and needs to be modernized to accommodate “changes”)…I could go on but it’s the same old thing over and over again. Maddow’s slander (which is ongoing) is mere voice of that same point and her homosexuality is certainly the reason why (those “White people…some of whom are Christians” are the source of her resentments, certainly).

It’s really simple once you see the Left’s target: Capitalism is what those “old white guys” created, so they hate it; Constitution is what those “old white guys” wrote, so they think it’s antiquated (“not cool, needs updating”); Christianity, life of faith in God, it’s what those “old white guys” believed and cherished as liberty and freedom, so it’s icky…

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Palin wouldn’t hold their attention for more than 30 seconds. It has nothing to do with race or gender- although Palin defenders tend to get nastily self-righteous when these facts are pointed out.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Looks like Palin is holding YOUR attention for a hell of a lot longer than 30 seconds. You’re fixated on her. The more you persist in your feeble attempts to wax poetic about her, the more you prove the point that Sarah Palin is a political force to be reckoned with – a reality that obviously is eating you from the inside out, to the delight of many here.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

OneVision on October 20, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Rachel just acknowledged that she made a mistake and issued an on-air correction.

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 9:46 PM

= fodder. I”m sure she hasn’t modified what she thinks.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:52 PM

OneVision on October 20, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Living rent free in bayam’s head, OneVision, and there’s plenty of space by the idiocy of the posts.

HornetSting on October 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM

You don’t understand the level of education the founders achieved with the exception of Washington (who compensated by going to pains to demonstrate his respect for the most educated and intelligent). And you don’t seem to comprehend their general contempt for politicians who failed to match their exceptional education, worldly knowledge, and high standard of intelligence. Palin wouldn’t hold their attention for more than 30 seconds. It has nothing to do with race or gender- although Palin defenders tend to get nastily self-righteous when these facts are pointed out.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:45 PM

That is you going all mushy in the head, moreso than before.

So now you’re clairvoyent, have “special powers” to exist in any time and space and read minds of those in other times, since deceased but “present” in your “special powers” to know them?

I understand and respect the “founding fathers” likely more than you ever will, unfortunately.

The best thing you could ever do for yourself is get out of whatever closed societies you currently exist within. I’m thinking it’s academia, as in, you’re enrolled in it.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Rachel just acknowledged that she made a mistake and issued an on-air correction.

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 9:46 PM

Bleh…just went over to see the ‘correction’. My eyes melted.

HornetSting on October 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Palin wouldn’t hold their attention for more than 30 seconds. It has nothing to do with race or gender- although Palin defenders tend to get nastily self-righteous when these facts are pointed out.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Well, among other things you’ve written here, OBVIOUSLY you don’t know ANYthing about Ben Franklin, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, especially, not to mention the rest of those “Fathers”.

I am quite *sure* that Sarah Palin would not only hold their attention for longer than thirty minutes, but that they would have parties for her, dance with her, hold her hand, kiss her cheeks, laugh with her and thoroughly enjoy her and her entire family, for many times over.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:58 PM

= fodder. I”m sure she hasn’t modified what she thinks.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:52 PM

What does that have to do with the fact that she admitted she made a mistake and owned up to it publicly?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 9:59 PM

He seems rather bitter. You’d think a major network would hire an anchor who checked his sources.

SouthernGent on October 20, 2010 at 10:01 PM

= fodder. I”m sure she hasn’t modified what she thinks.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:52 PM

What does that have to do with the fact that she admitted she made a mistake and owned up to it publicly?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Excuse me, but she has an organic center, yes? A brain? From whence her thoughts emanate…

She’s voicing an apology on air but I strongly doubt she’s had a personality change overnight. Likely as not, she’s doing a job (apologizing, so the network describes ‘it’) while in less than 24-hours, her thinking has not altered. That was my point.

Of course, if she’s had some sort of epiphany overnight or undergone electro-shock treatments or whatever, please advise.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:02 PM

He seems rather bitter. You’d think a major network would hire an anchor who checked his sources.

SouthernGent on October 20, 2010 at 10:01 PM

Hahahaha…

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:03 PM

= fodder. I”m sure she hasn’t modified what she thinks.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:52 PM
What does that have to do with the fact that she admitted she made a mistake and owned up to it publicly?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Because the DAMAGE is already done, chump. The story is still out there.

HornetSting on October 20, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Well, among other things you’ve written here, OBVIOUSLY you don’t know ANYthing about Ben Franklin, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, especially, not to mention the rest of those “Fathers”.

You’re confusing hospitality with the standard held for anyone who wanted to be treated seriously from an intellectual or political standpoint. Our Founding Fathers had no patience for the latter when intelligence or education was lacking.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Excuse me, but she has an organic center, yes? A brain? From whence her thoughts emanate…

She’s voicing an apology on air but I strongly doubt she’s had a personality change overnight. Likely as not, she’s doing a job (apologizing, so the network describes ‘it’) while in less than 24-hours, her thinking has not altered. That was my point.

Of course, if she’s had some sort of epiphany overnight or undergone electro-shock treatments or whatever, please advise.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:02 PM

So a correction for making a factual mistake is invalid unless the person also “modifies” her thinking? Is that how you correct your mistakes?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:11 PM

What does that have to do with the fact that she admitted she made a mistake and owned up to it publicly?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Screw you truther.

The damage is already done.

tetriskid on October 20, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Because the DAMAGE is already done, chump. The story is still out there.

HornetSting on October 20, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Your point is irrelevant to my question.

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Living in OKC, it really ticks me off she’s using this for a political hack job. How is this any different than being a truther? What a jerk.

teffertoes on October 20, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Your point is irrelevant to my question.

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:12 PM

And you are a truther.

tetriskid on October 20, 2010 at 10:13 PM

Living in OKC, it really ticks me off she’s using this for a political hack job. How is this any different than being a truther? What a jerk.

teffertoes on October 20, 2010 at 10:12 PM

It isn’t.

Maddow is using the victims of the OKC bombing as props.

She is a OKC-bombing truther.

tetriskid on October 20, 2010 at 10:14 PM

Maddow continues to grab at any straw possible to try to cling to her lie that she and her Leftwing are “moderate”…

Now she’s saying this:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2010/10/20/rachel-maddow-bizarrely-claims-after-puffy-poor-dear-interview-meghan-mc

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:15 PM

The damage is already done.

tetriskid on October 20, 2010 at 10:12 PM

So she should not have issued a correction? How would “modifying” her thinking erase the “damage”?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:15 PM

And you are a truther.

tetriskid on October 20, 2010 at 10:13 PM

Also irrelevant. You’re on a streak. Wanna try for three in a row?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:16 PM

So a correction for making a factual mistake is invalid unless the person also “modifies” her thinking? Is that how you correct your mistakes?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Ah, Leftwing tactic noted there!

Write a declarative as to what someone else did not express but declare it as their position stated, then ask why they so declared.

You get a great big FAIL.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:17 PM

= fodder. I”m sure she hasn’t modified what she thinks.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 9:52 PM
What does that have to do with the fact that she admitted she made a mistake and owned up to it publicly?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 9:59 PM
Because the DAMAGE is already done, chump. The story is still out there.

HornetSting on October 20, 2010 at 10:03 PM
Your point is irrelevant to my question.

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Only if you’re blind to what Rachel Madcow stands for, her whole entire purpose in life. You cannot possibly be THIS dense…

HornetSting on October 20, 2010 at 10:18 PM

And you are a truther.

tetriskid on October 20, 2010 at 10:13 PM

Also irrelevant. You’re on a streak. Wanna try for three in a row?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:16 PM

You and bayam are boring. Boring old thread-derailers. Sorry for you.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Also irrelevant. You’re on a streak. Wanna try for three in a row?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Lol.

So, it’s irrelevant that you are a paranoiac that believes the US Government had for-knowledge of a terrorist attack?

Awesome.

Keep being a paranoid truther.

tetriskid on October 20, 2010 at 10:19 PM

The damage is already done.

tetriskid on October 20, 2010 at 10:12 PM
So she should not have issued a correction? How would “modifying” her thinking erase the “damage”?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:15 PM

The left works in half-truths, innuendos, and outright lies, chump. Rachel Madcow is NO different..she does these type of hit jobs against the right…she just stepped over the line this time and someone was actually paying attention to what she said and called her on it.

HornetSting on October 20, 2010 at 10:21 PM

You’re confusing hospitality with the standard held for anyone who wanted to be treated seriously from an intellectual or political standpoint. Our Founding Fathers had no patience for the latter when intelligence or education was lacking.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM

As I’ve already written, bayam, you need to get out of whatever closed society/ies you are currently in and try to grow up. It is you who is confused but worse, it is you who appears incapable of understanding that you are. Thus, you need fresher and more intelligent (and more mature) influences in your life, you’ll do better for having taken some steps to change your outlook and awareness, if you do.

Palin would NOT be “intellectually” dismissed nor dismissable in regards the Founding Fathers. Obviously, she’s speaking on behalf of many and that — should that be ALL she’s doing and has done, which it isn’t — would be taken with great respect by the Founding Fathers.

You confuse the ability to, say, memorize and perform on tests with intellectual prowess. Which is, among academic societies, a common confusion, what with attitudes therein being paramount to the ability to apply information to productive, practical outcomes.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:24 PM

For a group of men who often quoted Roman and Greek philosophers in the original Latin,

This was before the Libs took over the school system and dumb the nation down. lol…

Kjeil on October 20, 2010 at 10:24 PM

You and bayam are boring. Boring old thread-derailers. Sorry for you.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:18 PM

So you can’t answer my question.

And simply noting that Maddow corrected her statement is derailing the thread?

Funny, she said tonight that the right-wing blogosphere went crazy over what she said, and predicted the same reaction when she corrected her mistake. 10 out of 10 Rachel!

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:25 PM

So you can’t answer my question.

And simply noting that Maddow corrected her statement is derailing the thread?

Funny, she said tonight that the right-wing blogosphere went crazy over what she said, and predicted the same reaction when she corrected her mistake. 10 out of 10 Rachel!

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:25 PM

You are an idiotic truther.

It’s not a “mistake” to accuse somebody of murder or believe in truther conspiracy theories.

It’s paranoia…

tetriskid on October 20, 2010 at 10:28 PM

You and bayam are boring. Boring old thread-derailers. Sorry for you.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:18 PM

So you can’t answer my question.

And simply noting that Maddow corrected her statement is derailing the thread?

Funny, she said tonight that the right-wing blogosphere went crazy over what she said, and predicted the same reaction when she corrected her mistake. 10 out of 10 Rachel!

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:25 PM

See? You’ve done that Leftwing lie thing again.

You DO NOT KNOW MY CAPABILITIES, so it is a LIE to declare, as you have, that I “can’t” do anything (like, so you claim, “answer [your] question”).

You didn’t ASK any “question” such that someone else might chose to respond in any fashion to “it” (since it doesn’t exist).

You DECLARED one lie, then you challenged someone (me, in this case) to respond to your lie (your first dishonest declaration), now you’re making another declaration that is equally dishonest (as also illogical), and you think you merit any rational response?

Why, in Heaven’s name, are you quite so needy? Make a statement based in reality, see if anyone chooses to comment on it. That’s how rational people function. Not you.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:31 PM

Funny, she said tonight that the right-wing blogosphere went crazy over what she said, and predicted the same reaction when she corrected her mistake. 10 out of 10 Rachel!

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:25 PM

From a position of humanity alone, it is PITIFUL that you (as also “Rachel”) DO NOT RECOGNIZE YOUR IRRATIONAL MENTALITY.

She assumes criticism of her lies represent people being “crazy”. Yet she’s “sorry” she made a lie, though she can’t come forth honestly (rationally, ethically) and declare she lied. Yet she is “sorry”.

Sorry for what?

Let’s look at this:

– she’s not sorry for lying;

– she’s sorry; and

– she claims people are “crazy” for criticizing her lie.

So, what, exactly, is she “sorry” for? And what, exactly, is “crazy” about criticizing lies by a liar?

And *YOU* cheer THAT ^^ on?

Why?

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Palin wouldn’t hold their attention for more than 30 seconds. It has nothing to do with race or gender- although Palin defenders tend to get nastily self-righteous when these facts are pointed out.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 9:45 PM

This coming from the same Obama supporters that bragged day in a day out about how “smart” he was and how he had “the greatest administration evaaaaaaaaaa”.

I am sure in your bubble this is an example of “intelligence”:


Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

Obama can’t even address a room with 10 people in it without his teleprompter.

Obama:
Businesses will hire if they can get loans to cover payroll

Let me put it this way.  Most small businesses, right now — if they’ve got enough customers to make a profit and they can get the bank loans required to boost their payroll, boost their inventory and sell to the customers, they will do so, OK?

….what an economic genius…..I mean what busines doesn’t take care of it’s payroll through business loans…

Last May, he claimed that tornadoes in Kansas killed a whopping 10,000 people: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.

Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?


Obama:

“My Health Care Bill is going to save you 3000% on your premiums.

Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.


And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us” — cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm

“What you’re now seeing is a profit and earnings ratios get to the point that buying stocks is a good thing if you have a long-term perspective on it,” he said to reporters after meeting in the Oval Office with visiting British Prime Minister Gordon Brown.
Shouldn’t a President of the US know that “P/E Ratio” means “price-to-earnings ratio,” not “profit and earnings ratio?” There is a difference.</em>

…Yes Obama is so dam# smart he can’t even count:

“Of the many responsibilities granted to a president by our Constitution, few are more serious or more consequential than selecting a Supreme Court justice. The members of our highest court are granted life tenure, often serving long after the presidents who appointed them. And they are charged with the vital task of applying principles put to paper more than 20 centuries ago to some of the most difficult questions of our time.”


“Student Of History” Obama Fumbles Japanese Surrender

“I’m always worried about using the word ‘victory,’ because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur,” Obama told ABC News.

Hirohito was not even there……

Beware Obama’s Bearing Gifts

Gordon Brown has been given a collection of 25 classic American films on DVD as his official gift from Barack Obama.

…and to compound the problem….they were the wrong format…could not even work in Britain.

Obama can’t even get his facts straight in the State of the Union address:


“And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it.”

Obama
State of the Union Address
Feb. 24,2009

Karl Benz of Germany is credited with creating the automobile……


Obama:


God’s grace, and the compassion and decency of the American people is expressed through the men and women like Corpsman Brossard.

……The “Commander and Chief” didn’t just say this once…..not twice….but genius here rattled it off 3 times.

Obama:

“The Middle East is a problem that has plagued the region for centuries.”


“Let me be absolutely clear,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said today at a press conference in Amman, Jordan. “Israel is a strong friend of Israel’s.


Obama:

It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian

….Austrian is not a language…..


Barack Obama opens up his Memorial Day speech in Las Cruces, New Mexico:

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

…..You really can’t make this sh!t up….absolutely clueless.


Obama:


“One of the things that is a huge advantage for America compared to countries like Europe is, “

….uh hey genius….Europe is not a country.

I want to thank my Cabinet members and senior administration officials who participated today. I hear that Dr. Joe Medicine Crow (ph) was around, and so I want to give a shout out to that Congressional Medal of Honor winner. It’s good to see you.

…Dr. Joe did not “win” the Congressional medal of Honor.
This right before telling the nation about the terrorist attack in Ft. Hood.

Yea Bayam….keep rattling on about how stupid Conservative are while you stay on bended knee to this idiocy day in and day out.

Baxter Greene on October 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM

See? You’ve done that Leftwing lie thing again.

You DO NOT KNOW MY CAPABILITIES, so it is a LIE to declare, as you have, that I “can’t” do anything (like, so you claim, “answer [your] question”).

You didn’t ASK any “question” such that someone else might chose to respond in any fashion to “it” (since it doesn’t exist).

You DECLARED one lie, then you challenged someone (me, in this case) to respond to your lie (your first dishonest declaration), now you’re making another declaration that is equally dishonest (as also illogical), and you think you merit any rational response?

Why, in Heaven’s name, are you quite so needy? Make a statement based in reality, see if anyone chooses to comment on it. That’s how rational people function. Not you.

Lourdes on October 20, 2010 at 10:31 PM

Good night. Sleep tight, Lourdes. Bite the bedbugs. ;^D

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:37 PM

So she should not have issued a correction? How would “modifying” her thinking erase the “damage”?

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:11 PM

So, let’s say that tomorrow night, she says something almost as outrageous: “The holocaust is a lie, perpetuated by the Tea Party to spread their extremist Right Wing agenda…”

Then, a few hours later, issues an on-air correction: “Whoopsies, my bad, I guess it did happen, and happened long before the Tea Party movement.”

I guess that on-air correction would fix all the damage caused by that statement, huh? I guess in the Left’s little world, it would be all okay.

CatsGodot on October 20, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Rachel just acknowledged that she made a mistake and issued an on-air correction.

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 9:46 PM

…It’s good to see the truth being brought out by conservatives making another left wing hack backtrack yet another false accusation.

Baxter Greene on October 20, 2010 at 10:41 PM

If MSNBC really is lookin for a theme for their network how ’bout dis un?

“OBAMA’S LAP IS REALLY WARM”

PappyD61 on October 20, 2010 at 10:42 PM

Funny, she said tonight that the right-wing blogosphere went crazy over what she said, and predicted the same reaction when she corrected her mistake. 10 out of 10 Rachel!

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:25 PM

“I predict that, by making an offensive and incorrect statement, people will be offended and point out that I was incorrect.”

Yeah, you’re right, that Rachael is a GENIUS! Tell me…will the sun rise tomorrow too? ONLY RACHAEL KNOWS!

CatsGodot on October 20, 2010 at 10:43 PM

Yeah, you’re right, that Rachael is a GENIUS! Tell me…will the sun rise tomorrow too? ONLY RACHAEL KNOWS!

CatsGodot on October 20, 2010 at 10:43 PM

..of course having no idea what you are talking about and making false accusations is a sign of “intelligence” to super smart liberals……

Baxter Greene on October 20, 2010 at 10:52 PM

I would LOVE if those congressmen requesting the IRS investigate conservative groups for campaign violations triggered the FEC to investigate MSNBC. How much more free air time do they get to give the Dems before it amounts to a contribution?

OBQuiet on October 20, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Lean Forward
Bend Over (or is it Ben Dover?)
Cranial Rectum Inversion
It’s all the same

DSchoen on October 20, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Fire her and her staff. No apology accepted. Ms Maddow, you went to far with your leftist agenda of smearing candidates and the GOP with false, malicious lies. Face the consequences.

journeyintothewhirlwind on October 20, 2010 at 11:27 PM

chumpThreads on October 20, 2010 at 10:25 PM

So she intentionally falsely accused Rep. Steve Stockman of murder?
If yes then she should be fired, immediately.
She is an embarrassment to her profession.

Chumpy, it wasn’t a mistake.

“Outside the Beltway dug around a bit and found that this isn’t the first time she’s referred to Stockman and Oklahoma City on air. Back in March, she also mentioned the fax incident — except that, on that occasion, she noted that the fax was received after the bombing, not before.”

Read the whole story Chumpy lest ya look like a fool or lackey troll.

DSchoen on October 20, 2010 at 11:33 PM

I don’t see the hate even beginning to approach what you hear from the angry white men of the right.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 7:42 PM

That’s because you are oblivious and delusional, Keith O…er, I mean bayam.

Bizarro No. 1 on October 21, 2010 at 12:04 AM

I never said that MSNBC wasn’t left-leaning. I just said that one statement doesn’t make Maddow a hate filled bitch.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:27 PM

And if you think it’s “just that one statement”, then, well, where the f@#$ have you been the last few years?

Midas on October 21, 2010 at 12:10 AM

I don’t see the hate even beginning to approach what you hear from the angry white men of the right.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 7:42 PM

LOLOL, good one.

Midas on October 21, 2010 at 12:11 AM

Thanks for the link to my OTB piece. Some credit where due: The March Maddow piece was mentioned in the original Newsbusters article. The extra digging I did was to go find it and watch it to ensure it was accurately transcribed.

Also, Maddow gave a (fairly classless) retraction on air tonight. She takes personal responsibility for the “editing error” but seems to think we were champing at the bit to talk about Stockman. Strangely self-deprecating, that.

Dodd on October 21, 2010 at 12:15 AM

I predict that NBC will be lapdawgs for the democrat party.
I predict Obowma will be the worst president in American history.
I predict the democrat party will throw the race card.
I predict Obowma and the leftwing media will blame the republicans for the democrat economy tanking.
I predict Iran will get the bomb with this admistration doing nothing to stop them.

I so smart.

dthorny on October 21, 2010 at 12:17 AM

I guess it depends on your standard of bitterness. You may see Rush’s broadcasts as filled with hope and optimism, although the uninformed observer will hear anger in his voice.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:13 PM

That’s right – it does depend on your standard of bitterness.

If you believe Rush is as angry as you perceive (your usage of “…the uniformed oberver…” above is not a logical argument, not that you care,) and you believe he is more irrationally angry than people like Lawrence O’Donnell, Keith Olberwomann, Dylan Ratigan, Ed Schultz, Joy Behar, Bill Maher, Danny Glover, Sean Penn ad nauseam, it only proves that your sense of anger is off kilter by 180 degrees. I’d be more than willing to discuss with you the psychology of those who find people like Rush hateful, while not seeing that sort of hatred in their Leftist pals.

I’ve been attacked by people on the Right and the Left over various issues, and the sheer hatred I’ve received from Righties who’ve attacked me is not comparable to what I’ve gotten from Lefties. The anger of Rightists is superficial compared to that of Leftists. If you don’t agree with me, I ask you to find one person on the Right in history who has been close to as murderous as Lefties like Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, etc.

Bizarro No. 1 on October 21, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Sick, twisted b!tch.

No other way of describing what Maddow’s become.

People like her, if we, as a nation, aren’t careful, become a Goebbels.

Time to hit Comcast with a boycott until they get rid of her.

SuperCool on October 21, 2010 at 1:19 AM

I guess I’m really not the only one that thinks Ms. Maddow is rather ……masculine if you get my drift. Much like Ms. Degeneres, I think….at least that is how it appears to me…..

Vntnrse on October 21, 2010 at 2:21 AM

12% of Americans watch MSNBC as their main news network.

bayam on October 20, 2010 at 8:14 PM

For perspective on MSNBC’s audience size:
- 5% of Americans believe that the US government actively participated in bringing about the 9/11 attacks
- 7% of Americans believe Elvis is still alive
- anywhere from 6%-25% of Americans believe that the Apollo 11 moon landing was a hoax
- 18% of Americans believe Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster exist and will be discovered

On rough average, it appears that the conventional wisdom that “~10% of people will believe literally anything” holds water.

MSNBC: Lean forward Almost as trusted as Bigfoot.

Harpazo on October 21, 2010 at 3:16 AM

MSNBC: I still can’t beive they are in business…

Khun Joe on October 21, 2010 at 8:23 AM

MSNBC: I still can’t beive they are in business…

Khun Joe on October 21, 2010 at 8:23 AM

GE got a tax payer bail out curtsy of the Obama Administration. Conflict of interest? MSNBC proselytizing for the Left on American Tax Payer’s dime.

Dr Evil on October 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM

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