Miller’s security detains blogger after shoving incident

posted at 10:55 am on October 18, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

It’s hard to imagine Tony Hopfinger as a cause celebre in a Senate race, but in Alaska’s wild campaign, this may be the topic to watch in tonight’s debate.  The Alaska Dispatch blogger found himself detained by Joe Miller’s security force after an altercation, one apparently started by Hopfinger himself.  The Alaska Daily News gives a mostly-dispassionate look at the curious incident:

The editor of the Alaska Dispatch website was arrested by U.S. Senate candidate Joe Miller’s private security guards Sunday as the editor attempted to interview Miller at the end of a public event in an Anchorage school.

Tony Hopfinger was handcuffed by the guards and detained in a hallway at Central Middle School until Anchorage police came and told the guards to release Hopfinger.

Hopfinger has not been charged but the owner of the Drop Zone, the private security firm that’s been providing Miller’s security, accused Hopfinger of trespassing at the public event, a town hall sponsored by the Miller campaign. The owner, William Fulton, also said Hopfinger assaulted a man by shoving him.

Trespassing is not a charge one associates with arrest, and isn’t likely to stand up when the event was held at a public venue like a public school, regardless of whether it was rented for the night by the campaign. Reporters have a public interest in attending, even those who report from blog sites.

However, that doesn’t give reporters the right to initiate physical assault, as Hopfinger apparently admitted to the ADN reporter during his interview:

Hopfinger, who was holding a small video camera, said he was attempting to draw out a statement from Miller on why he was disciplined by the Fairbanks North Star Borough when Miller worked there as a part-time attorney. After Miller walked away, Hopfinger said, he was surrounded by Miller supporters and security guards and felt threatened, so he pushed one of them away. …

Hopfinger said that after he shoved the man away, the guards grabbed him, cuffed his hands behind his back with steel handcuffs and sat him in a chair in the school hallway, Hopfinger said.

If a reporter starts shoving security guards in any setting, he should expect to get arrested by the security guards as a consequence.  That’s battery, and that charge does result in arrest.  Miller has the right — and probably the duty — to provide security for his events, and private security guards have the ability to detain people who violate the peace.  Anyone doubting that has never worked in retail and watched private security detain suspected shoplifters, as well as those who become disruptive.  They had better be clear on the basis of the detention, however, because if they have no basis for it, they can themselves be charged with false arrest.

That doesn’t seem to be a problem here, though, since Hopfinger himself admits to shoving a security guard.  Throwing the first punch doesn’t make one a martyr for the cause.  It may, however, make for a lively debate tonight.


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Time is running out for dems! They are getting desperate! Stay focused!

WhatsRight on October 18, 2010 at 10:59 AM

What kind of blogger was it? Was it a good blogger or a bad blogger?

Mr. Joe on October 18, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Oooooooooh a bad blogger.

Mr. Joe on October 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Can Lizza Mikulshevski be detained for giving the election to a demorat?

Bishop on October 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Mr. Joe on October 18, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Totally the Wicked Blogger of the North.

Abby Adams on October 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Fauxrage.

amerpundit on October 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM

This will backfire against Lisa and the dems candidate if they persue this tonight imho

cmsinaz on October 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Don’t taze me bro….

right2bright on October 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Feeling threatened is not the same as being threatened. Feelings cannot be the basis for action or the defense for unlawful acts. This should be a non-story with a short shelf life.

Extrafishy on October 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Hopfinger himself admits to shoving a security guard

If that’s the case, then his actions resulted in an appropriate consequence in the quiet chair for a little bit.

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM

I would love to see reporters get that aggressive (without the physical aspect) in pinning down Obama and any other democrat in getting an answer to a question.

That won’t happen of course, because the questions always weem to be, “Is it difficult being that awesome all the time?” and “How hard is it to get bills passed to help the little guy when the mean ol’ Rethuglicans keep saying ‘No’ to everything you try to do?”

They don’t seem to mind answering those questions much.

That being said, Miller should have answered the question.

DrAllecon on October 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

So, Ed. When are you going to send Allahpundit out on Field Ops?

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

C’mon, we all know bloggers are at the bottom of the literary barrel.
Unless their dad is a Senator or Governor, or is really wealthy and well connected.
Sorry Ed and Allah….

right2bright on October 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

DrAllecon on October 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Also, weem=seem, and the reporter was an ass, but those should both be obvious ;)

DrAllecon on October 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM

So, Ed. When are you going to send Allahpundit out on Field Ops?

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Are you kidding? AP’s dead the moment somebody snaps his picture.

KingGold on October 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM

It’s hard to imagine Tony Hopfinger as a cause celebre in a Senate race, but in Alaska’s wild campaign, this may be the topic to watch in tonight’s debate.

I didn’t realize they were debating tonight. That oughta be interesting.

Doughboy on October 18, 2010 at 11:08 AM

What kind of blogger was it? Was it a good blogger or a bad blogger?

Mr. Joe on October 18, 2010 at 11:00 AM

He was a cop BLOGGER, and good at his job.
But then he committed the ultimate sin and testified against other copsBLOGGERS – gone bad.
Cops BLOGGERS who tried to kill him, but got the woman he loved instead.
Framed for murder, now he prowls the badlands.
An outlaw hunting outlaws, a bounty hunter - a RENEGADE!

portlandon on October 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM

The issue is, just as with Palin, the fact of life. Alaska is a rough and tumble place, now in the national spotlight, complete with handcuffing security guards. LOL*

Good gravy. At least, Sarah can’t be blamed for this one.

The real issue won’t get discussed, and that’s the issue of left bloggers claiming to be “the press.” They aren’t any more the press that Breitbart’s young fellow who keeps trying to duplicate his ACORN success and failing quite badly.

The Alaskan Dispatch is simply nothing more than an anti-Palin blog, making its living off of created stories. The bloggers in Alaksa are different from anywhere else. It’s the Wild, Wild West there, obviously. It’s yellow journalism that people in the lower 48 can’t imagine.

But Miller hired nuts with handcuffs. What was he thinking?

I suggest he wasn’t thinking. And that’s a problem. He’ll take a real hit on this.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM

We need a Stuttering John of politics. Allah could be that person!

Mr. Joe on October 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM

What kind of blogger was it? Was it a good blogger or a bad blogger?

Mr. Joe on October 18, 2010 at 11:00 AM

The first thing on his blog is something called Palin Watch

borg on October 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM

It’s Wiki so take it or leave it…

Self-immolation is a suicide by fire, often committed for political or moral reasons as a form of protest.

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Much as I hate their views, and many of their tactics… let’s hope that the left can hold off from the more extreme forms of protest… They do seem to be charging into the insane at an ever increasing pace though.

RalphyBoy on October 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM

This Alaska Dispatch group have been particularly nasty against Miller. They have run every negative story they could. I’m sure this “journalist?” was hoping for an altercation, He got it, but it looks like he’s the perpetrator not the victim as he had hoped.Of course the Alaskan media are also out to get Miller, so either it won’t be mentioned, or it will be twisted agaist Miller.

sandee on October 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Are you kidding? AP’s dead the moment somebody snaps his picture.

KingGold on October 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM

then he needs to be Allah “The Stealth Blogger” Pundit….slithering through the grass, planting a humpbot on the porch of Nancy Pelosi’s house and letting it hump her flower planter or sleeping dog or something while snapping the video.

I think AP needs to up the incognito ante a bit. Jus’ a suggestion!

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Feeling threatened is not the same as being threatened. Feelings cannot be the basis for action or the defense for unlawful acts. This should be a non-story with a short shelf life.

Extrafishy on October 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM

This is Alaska.

They exhonorated the State Trooper who tazed an 11 year old boy, threatened to kill his ex-wife, her father in law, and was poaching.

Yeah, this thing will stay alive if they have to attach strings to it and make it dance.

portlandon on October 18, 2010 at 11:11 AM

This election is ultimately about how many voters can correctly spell Liesl Marshawski.

fossten on October 18, 2010 at 11:11 AM

This year, a lot of voters are going to misspell Lisa Murkowski’s name on the ballot. Surprisingly, the same mistake will be repeated over and over again….and it’ll come out as “Joe Miller”.

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM

By what right do they have to handcuff him?

joshlbetts on October 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Miller scared Andrew Sullivan:

This would be a relatively small kerfuffle in my view if it didn’t reflect the core of the Palin model of politics: bypass the non-Republican media entirely, refuse to answer questions or be accountable for factual errors, always sequester candidates in docile, friendly crowds, and, if necessary, restrain, hold back or even physically assault journalists doing their job. It scares me.

Okay–apparently journalists “doing their job” includes pushing and shoving. If it scares Andrew Sullivan, it is probably okay.

Mr. Joe on October 18, 2010 at 11:15 AM

By what right do they have to handcuff him?

joshlbetts on October 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Assault. He admitted he shoved/pushed a person.

He was held until Police arrived.

portlandon on October 18, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Is the scuffle recorded and playing online right now?

maverick muse on October 18, 2010 at 11:17 AM

How much did Liza Dostoevsky pay him?

hoosiermama on October 18, 2010 at 11:17 AM

She’s probably going to get up there and go <em>”You better vote for me to keep the seat my daddy gave me, because it’s MINE! YOU HEAR ME? MINE! MINE! MINE!”

pilamaye on October 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM

This election is ultimately about how many voters can correctly spell Liesl Marshawski.

fossten on October 18, 2010 at 11:11 AM

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Thta speeling cuonts… as do “Lm”, “ML”, “x”, “the other 1″ and all non-votes (assumes they would have voted lm if they could’a speeled it).

RalphyBoy on October 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM

It is starting to get ugly; now they are calling us racist again – NAACP Releases ‘Study’ On Tea Party Racism - Oh Really?

Nearly Nobody on October 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Is this Hopfinger the same guy that was following and recording Sarah and Todd Palin at the airport a while back? Just wonderin..

sicoit on October 18, 2010 at 11:19 AM

The collective insanity of the left reveals itself in ever increasing regularity.

44Magnum on October 18, 2010 at 11:19 AM

By what right do they have to handcuff him?

joshlbetts on October 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Read the story, then you are allowed to comment…

right2bright on October 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Thta speeling cuonts… as do “Lm”, “ML”, “x”, “the other 1″ and all non-votes (assumes they would have voted lm if they could’a speeled it).

RalphyBoy on October 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM

they’ll adopt the “Florida Precedent” and interpret several hundred votes that say “Joe Miller” as really meaning “Lisa Murkowski” since that’s what the voters meant anyway.

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Update: AK Senate: Miller Issues Statement On Out Of Control Faux Journalist

Update: Also see more via this on scene report via Red County.

The Alaska Dispatch is not much more than the equivalent of a Lefty blog playing pretend journalists. They embarassed themselves when they came at me over the Murkowski cocaine allegations and appear to have a vested interest in trying to hurt Joe Miller’s campaign for the Senate. At one point, this Tony Pull My Finger Hopfinger was a HuffPo contributer, so it should be no surprise that they’re covering Hopfinger’s unhinged nonsense, too. You can Google him to see his many links to progressivism.
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http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/10/ak-senate-miller-issues-statement-on-out-of-control-faux-journalist.html
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Well,Obama did say hand to hand combat,and git up in
there grills,er,face!!

canopfor on October 18, 2010 at 11:22 AM

What interests me the most regarding this race is what the GOP establishment is doing for the Republican chosen by the people of Alaska. Actually, that should read doing for or doing against… The GOP establishment is showing us some very important details about themselves; we must pay attention.

Keemo on October 18, 2010 at 11:25 AM

The Left are getting vicious and D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E!!

They are activating there MSM Sleeper,Progressive
Political Insurgency Cells!!(sarc).

canopfor on October 18, 2010 at 11:25 AM

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Actually it appears that one of the high priestesses of the PDS coven – Jesse Griffin – was slightly involved with the AD blogger. So bottom line – it’s Palin’s fault. /s

katiejane on October 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Hey, Miller just won my heart!

I think the Alaskan bloggers have truly damaged Alaska. I’m not exaggerating. They file the lawsuit, then report it like it’s someone else.

I mean, these people make Brietbart’s young guy look like amateurs.

So he is taking it on, eh?

Go Joe!

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM

He was a cop BLOGGER, and good at his job.
But then he committed the ultimate sin and testified against other copsBLOGGERS – gone bad.
Cops BLOGGERS who tried to kill him, but got the woman he loved instead.
Framed for murder, now he prowls the badlands.
An outlaw hunting outlaws, a bounty hunter – a RENEGADE!

portlandon on October 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM

But, he only has a faded and wrinkled piece of paper with the tel. no. of a Domino’s that delivers by snowmachine written on it, to keep him alive.

Blake on October 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM

The Video!
=====================================
Video: Tony Hopfinger, editor of Alaska Dispatch, gets arrested at …

http://openviv.com/video/kL5mNUKpN1g/

canopfor on October 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

These Alaskan bloggers are truly, truly the front-line against Palin.

And HuffPo has elevated them to journalist status. No big surprise there. That’s how Arianna wishes to be seen, too, so it’s blogger respect over there.

But honestly, it’s something that we need to discuss. The bloggers, please forgive me HotAir, are not held to any standard for objectivity at all. They are partisan, the bigger the whopper the better, usually.

Should they be given the same respect as real journalists? I realize that the major news outlets are falling apart. But still…..this is a fine line we’re walking here.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Remember Alaskans, if you want to elect Liisa, you must write in her name: Lissa McCurksey.

carbon_footprint on October 18, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Read the story, then you are allowed to comment…

right2bright on October 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM

No, he’s right. The handcuffs made this story. Do you remember Airport Security who handcuffed a clearly out-of-control woman last year, and she died?

Handcuffs should not be used.

It’s simply a red flag to making this national.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:32 AM

He needs to apologize for the handcuffs. And then he needs to hit the bloggers.

That’s the only solution.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Should they be given the same respect as real journalists? I realize that the major news outlets are falling apart. But still…..this is a fine line we’re walking here.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Your side obliterated the line when you “Borked” the most qualified jurist ever NOT confirmed to the Supreme Court…

Spare me the crocodile tears… PLEASE!!

Khun Joe on October 18, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Remember Alaskans, if you want to elect Liisa, you must write in her name: Lissa McCurksey.

carbon_footprint on October 18, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Unfortunately, from what I have read ,if it’s anywhere close to her name it will count.

sandee on October 18, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Bloggers against Palin:

First there was the guy into porn who was an aid in a kindergarten. When his hobbies were revealed he quit his job and blogging.

Then there was the nut with the Palin pregnancy conspiracies. When it was revealed that her husband was an OB/GYN, she stopped her nonsense. I guess her husband didn’t care until the threat of exposure with such craziness.

Then there was the mudflat piggy, who whined and whined when she was exposed.

Blake on October 18, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Unfortunately, from what I have read ,if it’s anywhere close to her name it will count.

sandee on October 18, 2010 at 11:36 AM

What if another Lisa M runs? How do they determine who got the vote, then?

MeatHeadinCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Your side obliterated the line when you “Borked” the most qualified jurist ever NOT confirmed to the Supreme Court…

Spare me the crocodile tears… PLEASE!!

Khun Joe on October 18, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Whatever that means.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Anyone who runs a video of her dead dad is honestly one odd duck.

This story will match her story.

The collision of idiots.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:42 AM

I made a crack comment in the Merkel thread about a
good thing Germany never started up any Tea Partys!!

Well,my fears are confirmed,the MSM NARRATION BEGINS
just as I thought!!

Here we go,from the Enemys Den,er opposition!!
===========================================================
At a town hall meeting Sunday afternoon(1) in Anchorage, U.S. Senate campaign GOP nominee Joe Miller was asked a long question on how we should keep illegal immigrants out.

His short answer: “If East Germany can do it, we can do it!”

http://bluestate.newsonly.org/
================================
================================

Joe Miller looks to Eastern Bloc countries for examples of how to keep illegal immigrants out of our country. Update: Miller’s hired goons “arrest” reporter.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/10/joe-miller-looks-to-eastern-bloc.html
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canopfor on October 18, 2010 at 11:43 AM

What if another Lisa M runs? How do they determine who got the vote, then?

MeatHeadinCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Let’s just say if Miller doesn’t win by a big enough margin, this race isn’t gonna be decided for a long time. Hopefully it won’t come down to the “intent” of the voter who wrote” Lize morcoosky.”

sandee on October 18, 2010 at 11:43 AM

So, Ed. When are you going to send Allahpundit out on Field Ops?

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

ted c: Most Brilliant Intel Mission thinking!!:)

canopfor on October 18, 2010 at 11:45 AM

From the looks of Hopfinger, they should have led him to a shower after detaining him.

Looks like he hasn’t seen one of those in a while.

David2.0 on October 18, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Good Gawd,theres still about a week and a half yet
to go,Mayhem/Hysteria yet to follow as the Progressive’s
world collapses around them!!!

The Titanic Death Throws!!

canopfor on October 18, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Sweet – Ballroom Blitz Lyrics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN9jTnxv0RU

canopfor on October 18, 2010 at 11:49 AM

He’s darn lucky that he was JUST detained.

Dark-Star on October 18, 2010 at 12:14 PM

I have not associated the word “arrested” with private security guards. This is a new concept for me…I wonder what authority they claim for handcuffing and detaining a private citizen?

Jaibones on October 18, 2010 at 12:16 PM

I have not associated the word “arrested” with private security guards. This is a new concept for me…I wonder what authority they claim for handcuffing and detaining a private citizen?

Jaibones on October 18, 2010 at 12:16 PM

This, maybe?

unclesmrgol on October 18, 2010 at 12:20 PM

If a reporter starts shoving security guards in any setting, he should expect to get arrested by the security guards as a consequence.

Um, private security guards do not have arrest powers. They are not authorized to detain either. You should know this Ed. This is why it’s a good idea to include a couple off-duty local police officers in your event security plan.

Note that, when the police did show up:

…until Anchorage police came and told the guards to release Hopfinger.

The “Drop Zone” employees prob’ly should rethink filing assault charges as Mr. Hopfinger has a case for false imprisonment and kidnapping. I predict this goes away quietly…

Diogenes Online on October 18, 2010 at 12:20 PM

This, maybe?

unclesmrgol on October 18, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Note that detention was not included in either scenario.

IMO, “Drop Zone” management should reconsider allowing their employees to carry handcuffs.

Diogenes Online on October 18, 2010 at 12:24 PM

He’s darn lucky that he was JUST detained.

Dark-Star on October 18, 2010 at 12:14 PM

No, “Drop Zone” is lucky that he was just detained. Unless they want somebody named “Plaintiff” owning the company.

Diogenes Online on October 18, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Note that detention was not included in either scenario.

IMO, “Drop Zone” management should reconsider allowing their employees to carry handcuffs.

Diogenes Online on October 18, 2010 at 12:24 PM

The article specifically states what Alaska’s detention policy is under citizen’s arrest. The police officers in a citizen’s arrest only assist in taking the accused into custody. Methinks you are splitting way too many hairs. If the “Drop Zone” people had done something illegal, the police would have arrested them. That didn’t happen.

The “Drop Zone” people are private citizens. As such, they, under Alaska law, have arrest powers even for misdemeanors.

unclesmrgol on October 18, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Martwaskey has her own bloggers?

applebutter on October 18, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Not that I’m entirely on “Drop Zone”s side. One wonders how close the guard got before the reporter’s threat instinct took over. This may be the obverse of the Palins being accosted by a reporter and having him enter their personal space. It all depends on who moved into whom’s personal space.

The DA will figure things out, and the blame will fall where it ought to, one hopes.

unclesmrgol on October 18, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Um, private security guards do not have arrest powers. They are not authorized to detain either.

Diogenes Online on October 18, 2010 at 12:20 PM

This depends on many factors, such as the state, the relationship the company has with the local police, and the contract.

I have a friend who owns a private security company. He has the contract to be the only SWAT team in the area. His security officers also have full arrest powers in addition to the simple authority to detain.

I just thought ‘you should know this.’

James on October 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Diogenes Online on October 18, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Retail security guards detain people every day, as I do know, because I used to work with them and have seen tapes of their interrogations. They usually follow up with police, as was done here. It’s part of the power of citizen arrest.

Ed Morrissey on October 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM

This is for the President but I got the idea for it here.

Hopefinger
He’s the man, the man with the midas touch
A spider’s touch,
Such a cold finger
Beckons you to enter his web of sin,
But don’t go in

Hope’n words he will pour in your ear,
But his lies can’t disguise what you fear,
For a hope’n girl knows when he’s kissed her,
It’s the kiss of death from

Mister Hopefinger.
Pretty girl, beware of this heart of gold
This heart is cold

hope’n words he will pour in your ear,
But his lies can’t disguise what you fear,
For a hope’n girl knows when he’s kissed her,
It’s the kiss of death from

Mister Hopefinger
Pretty girl, beware of this heart of hope
This heart is cold

He loves only hope
Only hope
He loves hope

Video ideas anyone?

Speakup on October 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM

However, that doesn’t give reporters the right to initiate physical assault, as Hopfinger apparently admitted to the ADN reporter during his interview:

Ahh, saw this on MSDNC this morning and wondered why they arrested him, they conveniently left that part out.

clearbluesky on October 18, 2010 at 12:54 PM

So, Ed. When are you going to send Allahpundit out on Field Ops?

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

When Allahpundit gets his Drivers license.

He only has his permit.

portlandon on October 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM

They usually follow up with police, as was done here. It’s part of the power of citizen arrest.

Ed Morrissey on October 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM

that’s what I thought, thanks. Kinda like holding down the guy that beats up the girl till the cops arrive. it’s not like an arrest, but homey isn’t going anywhere just the same.

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM

When Allahpundit gets his Drivers license.

He only has his permit.

portlandon on October 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM

thanks for reminding me. I’m almost out of Slurpee.

*slurp*

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM

This situation is totally push-push.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 1:04 PM

have not associated the word “arrested” with private security guards. This is a new concept for me…I wonder what authority they claim for handcuffing and detaining a private citizen?

Jaibones on October 18, 2010 at 12:16 PM

It’s the handcuffs.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 1:06 PM

I’m rooting for Joe to put this issue to rest, publicly.

Joe, do not ignore the fallout.

Do apologize for the handcuffs. Hang tuff on the blogger reality.

I’m tuning in.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 1:13 PM

right2bright on October 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM

I can comment on whatever I want and it’s not for you to decide if I’m allowed too or not.

Go take a flying leap.

It’s not right for some thug to make a “citizen’s arrest” or determine what constitutes assault and then handcuff someone. Sounds like a clown playing “Cop”.

joshlbetts on October 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM

ted c on October 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM

This I can agree with. But not someone being “shoved” or code pink trying to “arrest” Cheney or Rove. Sounds like B.S.

Push the guy back or hold him down if he gets aggressive and leave it at that.

joshlbetts on October 18, 2010 at 1:16 PM

James on October 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Then they are not security guards. They’re armed agents of the state… Deputized.

joshlbetts on October 18, 2010 at 1:18 PM

After Miller walked away, Hopfinger said, he was surrounded by Miller supporters and security guards and felt threatened, so he pushed one of them away.

It sounds like he’s trying to say they tried to block him in and keep him from moving. If so, that could justify using force to get away from them.

But if he’s got video, let’s see it.

I have not associated the word “arrested” with private security guards. This is a new concept for me…I wonder what authority they claim for handcuffing and detaining a private citizen?
Jaibones on October 18, 2010 at 12:16 PM

There is a thing called “citizens’ arrest.” But there very strict restrictions on it. This situation most definitely does not seem to fit the criteria.

Unlike a police officer, a private citizen has no sovereign immunity. In fact, there is usually strict liability. If you screw up, you are in DEEP doo-doo.

logis on October 18, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Then they are not security guards. They’re armed agents of the state… Deputized.

joshlbetts on October 18, 2010 at 1:18 PM

The fact that they’re deputized does not mean they’re not private security guards who, among other things, do bodyguard details for private citizens. It’s not an either-or situation.

James on October 18, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Here’s a report of what REALLY happened

http://www.redcounty.com/content/joe-millers-security-detail-vs-alaska-dispatch

BTW, Tony is Mr Amanda Coyne. For those that may not know, she IS the Alaska Dispatch, and it’s rabidly anti-Palin.

Amanda is also a college “professor” and has used her unpaid interns to help her in her efforts to trash Palin.

She also part of what I call the Alaska Mafia, hand picked by Obama’s now Chief of Staff Pete Rouse, to attack Sarah and her people.

Both she and Tony used to troll over at Team Sarah, BTW. They are real loons.

Oh, and Tony used to work for the Anchorage Daily News, another raid anti-Palin enterprise.

gary4205 on October 18, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Was he screaming, “Don’t tase me, bro!” as they led him off?

Adjoran on October 18, 2010 at 1:51 PM

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:42 AM

I’ve generally ignored most of your inane comments recently, but once in a while I see something so ridiculous I just have to respond.

Lisa M’s dad is still alive as far as I know. She isn’t Lisa Stevens.

Though I wonder if that would count on a write-in ballot?

(kidding)

cs89 on October 18, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Note that detention was not included in either scenario.

IMO, “Drop Zone” management should reconsider allowing their employees to carry handcuffs.

Diogenes Online on October 18, 2010 at 12:24 PM

You might want to look at Alaska Statutes Sec. 12.25.030, and note the authority given to private persons to make warantless arrests.

Somehow, I don’t think you’ll be visisting Alaska anytime in the near future.

steveegg on October 18, 2010 at 2:26 PM

“Visiting”, even.

steveegg on October 18, 2010 at 2:30 PM

It’s the handcuffs.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 1:06 PM

You might want to look at Alaska Statutes Sections 12.25.050 and 12.25.080 which provide for the methof of making an arrest (either actual restraint of the person or a submission of that person to the custody of the arrestor) and allows for necessary and proper restraint of a person under arrest. Given Hopfinger shoved somebody immediately prior to the arrest, handcuffs are a necessary and proper restraint.

steveegg on October 18, 2010 at 2:43 PM

So, Ed. When are you going to send Allahpundit out on Field Ops?

When the Meeeeghan restraining order expires.

andycanuck on October 18, 2010 at 3:10 PM

He needs to apologize for the handcuffs. And then he needs to hit the bloggers.

That’s the only solution.

AnninCA on October 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Nah. Just say over and over again, whenever asked about it,

“I’m glad our security restrained the man before someone was hurt. Violence has no place in our politics.”

RINO in Name Only on October 18, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Wasn’t it just a week ago that a journalist agressively tried to question Rahm Emmanuel and was attacked by a lefty thug? The questioner was later arrested by police even though he didn’t so much as touch anyone. That story dropped into the memory hole mighty fast. Why is this incident such a big deal? How long will the media pound this story down our throats?

The media’s hypocracy has gotten totally out of control.

lonesomecharlie on October 18, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Hopfinger said that after he shoved the man away, the guards grabbed him, cuffed his hands behind his back with steel handcuffs and sat him in a chair in the school hallway, Hopfinger said.

Is there any other kind? Since he was just a blogger, maybe they should have used the velvet handcuffs.

BTW, who wrote this section? “Hopfinger said…snip……Hopfinger said”

I guess this means that Hopfinger said he said something?

BobMbx on October 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM