VFW battles VFW PAC over endorsements

posted at 11:36 am on October 12, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, the political world scratched its head over the endorsement of Barbara Boxer — “Senator Ma’am” — by the VFW’s political action committee.  It turns out that veterans weren’t very happy about it, either.  The leaders of the VFW have effectively denounced their own PAC for a series of endorsements that look more like an argument for entrenched incumbency than actual defense of veterans’ interests:

The national line officers of Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) are at odds with the VFW Political Action Committee (PAC), calling the methodology process used by the PAC “seriously flawed at best this year and in immediate need of extensive review,” in the wake of the recent congressional endorsements made by the committee.

“Even though the law requires that VFW-PAC be a separate organization, the acronym ‘VFW’ is attached to the committee and the natural assumption is that the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States is somehow making the endorsement decisions. Nothing could be further from the truth, but perception is reality,” said National Commander Richard Eubank.

“Obviously, an organization’s political positions have to reflect the opinions of its members. But those opinions can’t be perceived as ‘off the wall,’ and the methodology used this year to grade candidates obviously is skewed in favor of the incumbent. That isn’t fair, and it actually subverts the democratic process.”

How offended were National Commander Richard Eubank, Sr. Vice Commander Richard L. DeNoyer, and Jr. Vice Commander John E. Hamilton, all of whom signed this open letter on the VFW website?  Enough to propose dismantling the PAC:

Because of the controversy surrounding the endorsements, VFW line officers have decided to bring the question of continued existence of the PAC to the floor during the 112th VFW national convention in August.

As Orson Swindle pointed out in yesterday’s Ed Morrissey Show, the Boxer endorsement was just one in a string of choices that had veterans’ eyebrows raised.  The VFW PAC issued ten endorsements over the past week of Democratic incumbents, including Rick Klein over Col. Allen West, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and Alan Grayson, all in Florida, and all considered rather Left-leaning.  Instead of acting in consideration of the membership’s wishes, VFW PAC apparently decided to act like lobbyists and ingratiate themselves with those in power now.

They may have argued themselves out of a job.  The VFW just learned a lesson about independent PACs.


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Would be real nice to know the names of the members of the PAC as well as their party affiliation.

GarandFan on October 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Not one for conspiracies, but have the Dems been working hard to get themselves on the boards of the VFW PAC, NRA, etc.?

WashJeff on October 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM

I’m glad to see this.

Those choices made no sense in context of the membership.

Not endorsing Lt. Col. Allen West really was just insane.

Brian1972 on October 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Do the VFW member dues go to the PAC?

conservative pilgrim on October 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Because of the controversy surrounding the endorsements, VFW line officers have decided to bring the question of continued existence of the PAC to the floor during the 112th VFW national convention in August.

LOL!

Chris of Rights on October 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM

If you can’t control your own PAC then you need to get your crap together, I’ll be letting my membership lapse and drinking more regularly at the Legion hall instead.

Bishop on October 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM

In yesterday’s thread on this topic, someone posted a .pdf on who the VFW PAC endorsed. Wasn’t Pelosi on that list as well? Does anyone have that link?

conservative pilgrim on October 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM

The Alan Grayson endorsement should be grounds enough to get enough votes to dismantle the PAC. How sick is that?

Renwaa on October 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM

discredit, disband, dismantle, don’t pass “Go”, don’t collect $200….

Boxer loses. VFW PAC sinks along with her. They can go work for her and continue to call her “Senator” as much as they want.

ted c on October 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM

They may have argued themselves out of a job.

Let’s hope so.

AZCoyote on October 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM

If you are an organization with the name of “Veterans of Foreign Wars” and you fail to endorse a Veteran of a Foreign War (LTC West) then….as Foxworthy says…”here’s your sign”

ted c on October 12, 2010 at 11:44 AM

I would bet that not one member of VFW PAC has seen any overseas combat action short of watching a bunch of John Wayne and Randolph Scott movies on TCM!

Because I am a veteran and every single one of these goofs VFW PAC endorsed hate us and the military with a passion!

What the hell is VFW PAC thinking?!!!!!

pilamaye on October 12, 2010 at 11:44 AM

And some consider purges to be a bad thing. Get the snakes out.

rbj on October 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM

The notion that my dues in any way went to endorsement of Senator Boxer, or Reps. Grayson or Klein, then I want my f**king money back.

I’ll happily return my hat, shred my lifetime membership card, and never mention my joining this once illustrious organization.

SGT Steve, Post 27 Europe. Watch on the Rhein.

Sgt Steve on October 12, 2010 at 11:48 AM

How do those union dues feel now, guys?

This is what happens when local organizations ~ who do a bang-up, involved, straight-from-the-heart job ~ just send their stipends off to the big house wherever it may be to pay for the sign out front, and live and let live, none the wiser.

Then comes a GREAT awakening. Or a Tea Party.

You hope.

tree hugging sister on October 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM

I’ll happily return my hat, shred my lifetime membership card, and never mention my joining this once illustrious organization.

SGT Steve, Post 27 Europe. Watch on the Rhein.

Sgt Steve on October 12, 2010 at 11:48 AM

I Salute you, sir.

VegasRick on October 12, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Would be real nice to know the names of the members of the PAC as well as their party affiliation.

GarandFan on October 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM

I bet the VFW would like to know that, too!

Oink on October 12, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Wasserman Schultz, and Grayson too?

Good lord, who is running this PAC? Rosie O’Donnell?

capejasmine on October 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM

I would bet that not one member of VFW PAC has seen any overseas combat action short of watching a bunch of John Wayne and Randolph Scott movies on TCM!

pilamaye on October 12, 2010 at 11:44 AM

“[gasp] Randolph Scott? [stands and sings] RANDOLPH SCOTT!!!”

Sorry, had to slip in a Blazing Saddles reference.

Doughboy on October 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Maybe VFW PAC was hacked.

TexasDan on October 12, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Not one for conspiracies, but have the Dems been working hard to get themselves on the boards of the VFW PAC, NRA, etc.?

WashJeff on October 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM

If I didn’t know any better, I’d say that these endorsements are right out of Rubicon.

Seriously, the VFW PAC endorsed crazies like Grayson and Wasserman-Schultz and Klein over Col. West? That’s preposterous.

BuckeyeSam on October 12, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Not endorsing Lt. Col. Allen West really was just insane.

[Brian1972 on October 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM]

Yeah, they basically said West was a loose cannon and then they endorse Alan Grayson? What a bunch of clowns VFW-PAC has running it.

Dusty on October 12, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Now the vets might understand how individual doctors felt when the AMA supported ObamaCare.

txmomof6 on October 12, 2010 at 11:53 AM

They may have argued themselves out of a job.

One can only hope.

burt on October 12, 2010 at 11:53 AM

….as Foxworthy says…”here’s your sign”

ted c on October 12, 2010 at 11:44 AM

That’s Bill Engvall.

ladyingray on October 12, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Somehow the progressives have usurped the organizations of patritoic Americans and retirees and are transforming these organizations in the same ways Obama is trying to transform our country. The NRA was trying support Harry Reid until their membership suggested otherwise. The AARP are run by liberal shills that supported health reform that was obviously against their membership. Now the VFW will find that is irrelevant if they allow their PAC to support a loon like Boxer. When groups like these are supporting those who do not have the best interests of their membership, then they will cease to exist for the purposes they were established.

volsense on October 12, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Because of the controversy surrounding the endorsements, VFW line officers have decided to bring the question of continued existence of the PAC to the floor during the 112th VFW national convention in August.

Good luck with that. It takes an average of two years to get even a small change to the bylaws put into effect. And this is not the first time that the VFW leadership got blind sided by their own organization. The West Hartford VFW let Dick “Seargent Rock” Blumenthal use their hall to address his “misstatements” earlier this year, with his Marine buddies on stage. We all got called out on using our halls for any political events because of that.

Johnnyreb on October 12, 2010 at 11:55 AM

In the last few years the VFW has been taken over by a University of San Francisco ROTC grad who has completely revamped/modernized it for Iraqi/Afghanistan Vets. It’s not your father’s VFW It’s a left leaning gay friendly (not that’s there’s anything wrong with that) organization.

Pelosi is very good friends with the President of USF.

borg on October 12, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Do the VFW member dues go to the PAC?

conservative pilgrim on October 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM

No. The PAC is totally self funded and completely separate from the VFW. IIRC an Officer with the VFW can’t even be on the PAC.

Johnnyreb on October 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM

I would bet that not one member of VFW PAC has seen any overseas combat action short of watching a bunch of John Wayne and Randolph Scott movies on TCM!

[pilamaye on October 12, 2010 at 11:44 AM]

You’d lose that bet. Most are Vietnam vets.

Dusty on October 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM

“Even though the law requires that VFW-PAC be a separate organization, the acronym ‘VFW’ is attached to the committee and the natural assumption is that the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States is somehow making the endorsement decisions. Nothing could be further from the truth, but perception is reality,” said National Commander Richard Eubank.

The fact that those who receive the endorsement can claim they are endorsed by the VFW, plus the fact the VFW can dissolve the pac isn’t that far “from the truth.”

cartooner on October 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM

conservative pilgrim on October 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Yes, she was. So was “Baghdad” Jim McDermott. It literally was nothing more than a list of incumbents.

This tremor over the activities of the PAC is a signal to the business-as-usual beltway crowd that people are pissed. Will they get the message? If they haven’t by now, they won’t before the next two elections.

Here’s the doc: http://vfwpac.org/Revised%20Endorsement%20List%20Sept%2024-1.pdf

JeffWeimer on October 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Long past time that the VFW reigned in its own PAC gone Marxist.

Had the VFW stipulated grounds requiring the PAC to endorse veterans running legitimate campaigns, the current situation would not have been so easily enabled, manipulating the VFW legacy to fleece the flock for public donated fortune. Irresponsible on both parties. It’s about time for the reckoning.

maverick muse on October 12, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong (Johnnyreb?), but the VFW doesn’t need a pac to make endorsements. Pacs are for raising and contributing money to candidates.

cartooner on October 12, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Senator Ma’am’s is exposing the lines in zee sand,
within her little groups keep’n her in power!!!!

It appears,those/they,and them at the top of the VFW
are selling out,those beneath them!!

And,its ALL ON THE POLITICAL STAGE, for all to see!!

H*ll,the ACME ROPE COMPANY has expanded in more States,
in anticipation of the Democrats on da Hill,Hang’n them
selves,hourly/daily!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rumour has it,ACME ROPE COMPANY is gearing up for 2012!
(snark).

canopfor on October 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM

NEXT AUGUST???

Yeah right.

They’ll wait until this controversy dies down, then drop it.

fossten on October 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Ya gotta figure that a lot of veterans changed their wills after the Grayson & Senator Ma’am endorsements and notified VFW’s development office they would no longer be the lucky recipients of quite a few generous bequests.

But VFW leadership is still waiting until next August to address the issue of their own rogue PAC sabotaging their own members’ best interests?

Whoever the heck is administering that PAC has some splainin’ to do if he or she is interested in remaining in that line of work, that’s for sure.

leilani on October 12, 2010 at 12:03 PM

And the whole “PAC is a completely separate entity” thing is emblematic of the pure BS that is “campaign finance reform”. the VFW has less control over it’s political activities, but the politicians can claim an endorsement that the VFW wouldn’t actually endorse! And if that list isn’t a sign that CFR is nothing but and incumbent protection law, nothing is.

Someone tell me why the VFW can’t endorse candidates all by itself? Don’t they have the right to “petition the government”?

JeffWeimer on October 12, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong (Johnnyreb?), but the VFW doesn’t need a pac to make endorsements. Pacs are for raising and contributing money to candidates.

cartooner on October 12, 2010 at 12:01 PM

The VFW, American Legion, etc are not allowed to make political endorsements, per their own charters. If they want to endorse someone for office, an associated PAC is the only way to go. I personally feel that Veterans organizations should not be endorsing anyone, that isn’t what our charter is about, but that’s just me.

Johnnyreb on October 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Not endorsing Lt. Col. Allen West really was just insane.

Brian1972 on October 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM

No shit. You don’t get more ‘WFW-er’ than West.

Lanceman on October 12, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong (Johnnyreb?), but the VFW doesn’t need a pac to make endorsements. Pacs are for raising and contributing money to candidates.

cartooner on October 12, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Good point. Can’t the VFW create it’s own list of endorsements or are they prohibited from doing so by their bylaws? Is that what Johnnyreb was referring to?

Extrafishy on October 12, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Not one for conspiracies, but have the Dems been working hard to get themselves on the boards of the VFW PAC, NRA, etc.?

WashJeff on October 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Most Cancers start from within a healthy cell and attack its way out.

portlandon on October 12, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Johnnyreb on October 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Just now caught your follow-up. Thanks for the clarification.

Extrafishy on October 12, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Rush is on zeeeeeeee roll!!!

canopfor on October 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

conservative pilgrim on October 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Yes, Pelosi is on the list.

Here’s the pdf link via BLACKFIVE.

INC on October 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

In yesterday’s thread on this topic, someone posted a .pdf on who the VFW PAC endorsed. Wasn’t Pelosi on that list as well? Does anyone have that link?
conservative pilgrim on October 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Yes, and Waxman, too.

More here.

Thank you, veterans!

Feedie on October 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

….as Foxworthy says…”here’s your sign”

ted c on October 12, 2010 at 11:44 AM

That’s Bill Engvall.

ladyingray on October 12, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Who cares? They’re both racist redneck hicks!
/narutokun

Lanceman on October 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

The VFW PAc endorsed a lawyer in NC over two-time combat veteran Ilario Pantano. His statement about the PAC endorsement is here.

Ilario points out that 76% of the entrenched incumbency received endorsements over new candidates. And that the VFW PAC did NOT endorse one single veteran. Not one. And there are a lot running this year.

Don’t miss Pantano’s scathing last paragraph.

Redhead Infidel on October 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

It’s an endorsement list more along the lines of Code Pink.

INC on October 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Me thinks,the Liberals have been very busy,seeding and
inflitration,Politicaly,with every aspect of America!!

canopfor on October 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM

HEY NRA are you watchin? Anyone know the name of the other gun rights org. I don’t think I care to renew my NRA membership. Endorsing Culver D. IA for Governor and cozy with Dingy Harry!

dhunter on October 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM

Trash that leftist PAC today . . . It’s nothing but a propaganda front for leftist causes.

rplat on October 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM

http://www.vfw.org/

canopfor on October 12, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Not one for conspiracies, but have the Dems been working hard to get themselves on the boards of the VFW PAC, NRA, etc.?

WashJeff on October 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM

“By psychopolitics our chief goals are effectively carried forward. To produce a maximum of chaos in the culture of the enemy is our first most important step. Our fruits are grown in chaos, distrust, economic depression and scientific turmoil. … With it you can erase our enemies as insects… Use the courts, use the judges, use the Constitution of the country, use its medical societies and its laws to further our ends. … And bring to Earth, through Communism, the greatest peace Man has ever known.” ~ Lavrenti Beria, Lenin University, in a 1933 address to a group of American/Marxist Psychology Students

Send_Me on October 12, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Who cares? They’re both racist redneck hicks!
/narutokun

Lanceman on October 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Hahahaha!

ladyingray on October 12, 2010 at 12:15 PM

This all boils down to one thing, money. The VFW PAC survives only by contributions, contributions that come from anyone, not just Veterans of Foreign Wars. If they endorsed only Vets, those contributions would pretty much dry up. They are in this just for the money. And, IMO, they need to go away and lose the VFW part of their name. I do not beleive that the American Legion has a PAC, and neither should the VFW.

Johnnyreb on October 12, 2010 at 12:18 PM

If you can’t control your own PAC then you need to get your crap together, I’ll be letting my membership lapse and drinking more regularly at the Legion hall instead.

Bishop on October 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Amen brother. I just sent my renewal form in with a comment in red ink of how I feel about the PAC’s endorsements

Vince on October 12, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Even money the ‘vets’ running the PAC are writing themselves very generous separation clauses into their contracts as we speak…

phreshone on October 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM

HEY NRA are you watchin? Anyone know the name of the other gun rights org. I don’t think I care to renew my NRA membership. Endorsing Culver D. IA for Governor and cozy with Dingy Harry!

dhunter on October 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM

Somehow, I think a lot of us aren’t renewing and going over to GOA.
Newsflash to the NRA: We can no longer afford to be single issue voters any longer.

Lanceman on October 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM

they endorsed democrat incumbent Ike Skelton as well… in Missouri.

Kaptain Amerika on October 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM

HEY NRA are you watchin? Anyone know the name of the other gun rights org. I don’t think I care to renew my NRA membership. Endorsing Culver D. IA for Governor and cozy with Dingy Harry!

dhunter on October 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM

While I don’t support their goofy endorsements, the NRA openly admits they have a pro-incumbent policy on endorsements. Honestly stupid but honest nonetheless.

Extrafishy on October 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM

No. The PAC is totally self funded and completely separate from the VFW. IIRC an Officer with the VFW can’t even be on the PAC.

Johnnyreb on October 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Thanks!

conservative pilgrim on October 12, 2010 at 12:24 PM

West is presidential material and they didn’t endorse him? WHAT? They have run amok. Disband, stat.

My VFW friend won’t even go to the local post because he says there are always so many who never served overseas hanging out there.

NTWR on October 12, 2010 at 12:24 PM

It is the VFW-PAC. You give your name to a group, YOU OWN IT! It is NOT a separate group. I have already cancelled my membership and mailed back my card. The AMERICAN LEGION still has patriotic Americans, not like the VFW.

codekeyguy on October 12, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Good lord, who is running this PAC? Rosie O’Donnell?

capejasmine on October 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Must be John Kerry. I mean, he’s a vietnam veteran if you didn’t know.
//

BacaDog on October 12, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Yes, she was. So was “Baghdad” Jim McDermott. It literally was nothing more than a list of incumbents.

This tremor over the activities of the PAC is a signal to the business-as-usual beltway crowd that people are pissed. Will they get the message? If they haven’t by now, they won’t before the next two elections.

Here’s the doc: http://vfwpac.org/Revised%20Endorsement%20List%20Sept%2024-1.pdf

JeffWeimer on October 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Thanks Jeff and everyone for the .pdf link.

If McDermott and Pelosi are getting VFW PAC money, then something is wrong, very wrong.

conservative pilgrim on October 12, 2010 at 12:25 PM

HEY NRA are you watchin? Anyone know the name of the other gun rights org. I don’t think I care to renew my NRA membership. Endorsing Culver D. IA for Governor and cozy with Dingy Harry!

dhunter on October 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM

Gun Owners of America
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

NTWR on October 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM

The leaders of the VFW have effectively denounced their own PAC for a series of endorsements that look more like an argument for entrenched incumbency brainless leftism than actual defense of veterans’ interests

Ed seems like he needs a little help with clarity today. Don’t worry, Ed … we’re here for you.

Jaibones on October 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Did VFW-PAC endorse Blumenthal?

Christien on October 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Did VFW-PAC endorse Blumenthal?

Christien on October 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Thread winner!!!

Lanceman on October 12, 2010 at 12:34 PM

At one time the Veterans of Foreign Wars was a respected organization. In the late seventies, I was invited to play in a local VFW golf tournament. During the course of the day, I was speaking to one of their members and I enquired about membership. I was informed in no uncertain terms, that as a veteran of Viet-Nam, I had never “…been to a war. Membership’s for guys that fought a WAR!” So according to the VFW, I had never fought in a “WAR”.

Several years ago I was approached by a local VFW chapter doing recruiting to replenish their thinning membership. I reminded them that I’d never fought a “WAR”. Their members are sad old men. They are staggering towards extinction as an organization. What a pitiful ending.

oldleprechaun on October 12, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Would be real nice to know the names of the members of the PAC as well as their party affiliation.

GarandFan on October 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM


VFW Board of Directors

VFW Endorsements

Didn’t see Blumenthal on the list. Did see Murry and Sestak.

The VFW-PAC is dedicated to the support of candidates who have taken responsibile positions on issues involving national defense and legislation pertaining to our nation’s veterans.

From their website’s governing statement seems to want to support incumbents.

barnone on October 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM

McDermott too? Well, that one is the smoking gun this PAC is in no way supporting the interests of its membership.

With the NRA you can make a pretty decent argument that strategically targeting & cultivating support from friends of the 2nd A on both sides of the aisle is an efficacious long-term strategy. They are by charter a single-issue organization & are not, nor were they ever intended to serve as a full-spectrum conservative interest group.

But VFW cannot be a single issue organization. The best interests of its members coincide with a whole panoply of inextricable political considerations (economic policy, taxes, health care, housing and foreign policy just for starters) which cannot be separated out.

leilani on October 12, 2010 at 12:40 PM

My dad (86, WWII, past commander of the local VFW is not a happy man right now!

pgrossjr on October 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM

Their members are sad old men.

oldleprechaun on October 12, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Uh, the wife and I are only 53. A bunch of women do belong to the VFW as members, not just the Ladies Auxiliary. Some posts are better than others, and what you were told was incorrect even then.

Johnnyreb on October 12, 2010 at 12:44 PM

It sounds like they are trying to endorse who they want to endorse and at the same time keep their members who aren’t that happy about who they are siding with.

I’m not buying it and I hope members aren’t buying this tripe either.

Asher on October 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM

Now the vets might understand how individual doctors felt when the AMA supported ObamaCare.

txmomof6 on October 12, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Same thing with AARP signing up for death panels.

This stuff just underlines how lobbyist/incumbent incest has perverted our government.

ontherocks on October 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM

Did VFW-PAC endorse Blumenthal?

Christien on October 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Christien: Yup,

Veterans and Military Families for Progress endorsed Richard Blumenthal, the Attorney General and Democrat in Connecticut running for U.S. Senate.

And,
===

Battle over military endorsements in Klein-West contest
==========================================================

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2010/10/battle-over-military-endorsements-in-klein-west-contest.html

canopfor on October 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM

All part of the Democrats plan. Here is their playbook.

Guardian on October 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM

If you can’t control your own PAC then you need to get your crap together, I’ll be letting my membership lapse and drinking more regularly at the Legion hall instead.

Bishop on October 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM

..me too, where I can remorselessly pee on Jane Fonda to my heart’s content.

The War Planner on October 12, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Because of the controversy surrounding the endorsements, VFW line officers have decided to bring the question of continued existence of the PAC to the floor during the 112th VFW national convention in August.

Too little, and too late. If something game-changing doesn’t happen to the PAC BEFORE the election, it’s just horsecrap CYA.

C’mon, VFW. If you mean it, give us names – let the members take it up with them personally, and see what they think of that. Anything less, and I call BS.

Dirty Creature on October 12, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Gun Owners of America
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

NTWR on October 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Thanks!

dhunter on October 12, 2010 at 12:56 PM

Wasserman Schultz, and Grayson too?

Good lord, who is running this PAC? Rosie O’Donnell?

capejasmine on October 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Hanoi J.

Col.John Wm. Reed on October 12, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Just goes to show what happens when you don’t represent your members constituents, you get voted out. VFW PAC and members of Congress both are learning this lesson.

EliTheBean on October 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM

From the Florida State Commander of the VFW:
“On behalf of the Department of Florida, I am writing to object to the manner in which the Veterans of Foreign Wars Political Action Committee made its endorsements for the United States Congress. This year’s process is both arbitrary and capricious and devoid of Department input. Consequently, I am asking each member of the Department of Florida to disregard the list of endorsements as published in this month’s VFW Magazine and vote their own conscience since we had no input into this year’s endorsement process.

Apparently, the Committee has abandoned the previous years’ process of “advise and consent” whereby it provided a list of proposed endorsees to the Departments for comment, concurrence, additions and deletions. The Department of Florida certainly understands that the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the VFW-PAC are necessarily separate entities, however, the PAC exists because of the support it derives from all Departments, Districts, Posts, Comrades and Sisters. Consequently, the Departments acting on behalf of its Districts, Posts and members should have an opportunity to voice its opinion on which Floridian candidates should or should not receive the endorsement of the VFW-PAC.

You can read it all here:
http://waronterrornews.typepad.com/home/2010/10/combat-vets-it-is-time-to-take-back-your-vfw.html

Deanna on October 12, 2010 at 1:08 PM

The VFW PAC is to veterans what NOW is to Women.

Scrappy on October 12, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Not one for conspiracies, but have the Dems been working hard to get themselves on the boards of the VFW PAC, NRA, etc.?

Why not? They’ve effectively taken over education, and we pretty much just let them do it. We need to fight back by doing the same.

Bob's Kid on October 12, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Blumenthal’s Press Conference at Connecticut VFW Office

Christien on October 12, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Christien:Sweet,I do love hearing the Canadian Geese,in a
holding patern,get’n ready for a dive bombing,
with them squawking in the background,around the
1:30 or so minute mark!!:)

canopfor on October 12, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Well now I’m glad I never took the time to join VFW, although I would love to be part of the veterans who are canceling or letting their memberships lapse.

The real loss will be to veterans who now have one less organization they trust to lobby for them. In this case, I say good riddance.

jackal40 on October 12, 2010 at 2:05 PM

I know a lot of Realtors in Pennsylvania who are not real happy with their PAC either. NAR has spent over $700,000 on PAC contributions and independent expenditures to help Paul Kanjorski. It’s ridiculous.

rockmom on October 12, 2010 at 2:10 PM

I am a Korean Veteran and have belonged to the VFW for over 50 years. I cancelled my membership this morning.

Menorah on October 12, 2010 at 2:13 PM

For all you guys bailing from the NRA, check out JPFO.

fossten on October 12, 2010 at 2:14 PM

From what I can see from the posts so far, ‘We The People’ are so enraged with this utter, ongoing bullsh*t we shouldn’t have any problem winning 450-460 seats in the House of Representatives come Nov 2.

(Hey! If socialists can ‘make up the rules as they go along’, then why can’t we???)

alwyr on October 12, 2010 at 2:44 PM

rockmom on October 12, 2010 at 2:10 PM

I am a Korean Veteran and have belonged to the VFW for over 50 years. I cancelled my membership this morning.

Menorah on October 12, 2010 at 2:13 PM

We are honored by you and all those who have exercized the ultimate franchise. Thank you for your service.

itsspideyman on October 12, 2010 at 2:45 PM

I sent the below yesterday after reading the link. My Father was a member. I never signed but respected the organization and especially the members wearing their colors.

vfw@vfw.org

I am a Vet 1967-1971 USAF (SSGT)..
My Son is career Air Force Military..
I am ashamed to admit it BUT I was unaware until today that the VFW is actively invoved with Politics..
After reading the VFWs’ political endorsement list (Boxer; Klein; Grayson) .

Vetrans affairs and support for them great..GET THE HELL OUT OF POLITICS..

Panentheist on October 12, 2010 at 2:48 PM

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