WaPo study: Plurality says that Obama’s policies have made economy better
posted at 10:20 pm on October 11, 2010 by Allahpundit
The most depressing data point from a depressing data set.
A new study by The Washington Post, the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University shows that most Americans who say they want more limited government also call Social Security and Medicare “very important.” They want Washington to be involved in schools and to help reduce poverty. Nearly half want the government to maintain a role in regulating health care…
Nearly six in 10 say they want their congressional representatives to fight for additional government spending in their districts to spur job creation; fewer (39 percent) want their member of Congress to cut spending, even if that means not as many local jobs. This is a turnabout from September 1994, when 53 percent said they wanted their representative to battle against spending and 42 percent were on the other side.
Despite evident public dissatisfaction with the growth of the federal deficit, 50 percent of those polled say they would prefer more government spending to try to boost the economy. Forty-six percent say avoiding an increase in the deficit should take precedence…
Despite the common view that the 2009 stimulus package has largely been a waste of money, Obama fares far better than President George W. Bush did in terms of public perceptions of how they managed the economy. Nearly two-thirds of Americans say the Bush administration’s actions made the economy worse. Assessments tilt more on the work the Obama administration has done to deal with the country’s economic challenges: Forty percent say those efforts have made things better and 30 percent say they are worse, with the rest undecided.
We already knew that, sort of. Remember last week’s Marist poll showing that 51 percent think Obama’s approach will eventually solve the country’s problems? Americans are pretty patient with their presidents during their first term. At Ricochet, James Poulos writes, “The realization needs to set in that Obamanomics can’t solve the jobs problem,” but I figure he’s got another 12 months’ grace period before any hard judgments start to form. And of course, if he forges a compromise with the new Republican Congress to enact some new form of stimulus via tax cuts — see, e.g., payroll — then he’ll get the credit for the economic rebound. Which is to say, the realization that Obamanomics is a failure is by no means inevitable.
As for the grim numbers on entitlements, we knew that too. Remember the Times poll of tea partiers six months ago that showed 62 percent think Social Security and Medicare are worth the cost? Some of that may be due to popular ignorance about what the bulk of federal spending goes to: WaPo notes that many people believe trimming waste from the budget will balance it when of course it’s nondiscretionary spending that’s a much vaster problem. Poulos has a theory that voters do understand that entitlements are the heavy burden but that they’re simple not ready for the pain of giving them up when there’s so much pain economically already. Could be, but he’s more optimistic than I am that an economic recovery that lessens the pain will make them more receptive to serious fiscal schemes like Paul Ryan’s. I think more pain — some sort of new economic crisis that forces an austerity mindset — might be the only thing that does it. Hope he’s right and I’m wrong, sincerely. Exit quotation: “What I want to do is jump in the pool and tell my colleagues, ‘Hey, the water’s not so bad, come on, jump in and swim in this pool.’… So far, I’m kind of doing laps on my own.”









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>50% also are warming to the idea of gay marriage….
…that don’t make it right!…
said it
ted c on October 11, 2010 at 10:22 PM
Somebody unwrap a Baby Ruth…..
ted c on October 11, 2010 at 10:23 PM
WaPo…
SouthernGent on October 11, 2010 at 10:23 PM
The thing about pluralities is that a majority doesn’t support them.
clement on October 11, 2010 at 10:23 PM
MSM Declares Victory Over Truth
malclave on October 11, 2010 at 10:24 PM
I guess it’s like Family Feud – it’s not the right answers that counts, just the most common answers.
disa on October 11, 2010 at 10:25 PM
It’s going to take a strong willed president with communication skills of G-d to lay the facts out on the table and push for entitlement reform.
The system as it is, is so complicated and gamed by special interests of all stripes, that it may be next to an impossible task to undue.
Perhaps a complete collapse wouldn’t be such a horrible thing.
rickyricardo on October 11, 2010 at 10:26 PM
I don’t buy this.
If this were indeed true, then wence ‘The Wave’?
People all over this country are pissed off at the Democrats, Congress, and the President.
Why are Dems running away from their list of ‘achievements’? Why is Obama so toxic if people are willing to let “his policies work”?
People are selfish by nature, which makes their opinions on pork and entitlements what they are, mostly, but…I just don’t get this…
catmman on October 11, 2010 at 10:26 PM
Well this imaginary pleurality hasn’t shown much inclination to support O’s policies in the voting booth.
jeanie on October 11, 2010 at 10:27 PM
The people have for decades sent two contradictory signals to Washington. Give us more. But don’t make us pay for it. So that’s what they did. This is not a situation we ended up in because of some small, tiny group of evil politicians doing what nobody wanted. We got here because people demanded more services from the government and also didn’t want to pay for them. The Baby Boomers are moving through their life cycle and through our civilization like a giant turd through the lower intestinal tract. Until they are excreted I don’t see much hope of fundamentally turning things around. But we fight anyway.
D0WNT0WN on October 11, 2010 at 10:27 PM
I’m loathe to say it, but I think that the WWII rationing of eggs, steel, rubber, gas and so on was helpful in teaching people how to economically consume. If economical consumption would help us free ourselves from commie China then, heck kids, we’re goin’ to be darnin’ some socks and buildin’ us a chicken coop.
ted c on October 11, 2010 at 10:27 PM
A plurality within the WaPo press room, perhaps.
bayview on October 11, 2010 at 10:28 PM
HAHAHA! … What? You were serious? Oh Dear God!
Teacher’s Unions claim victory!
Tony737 on October 11, 2010 at 10:28 PM
I call b.s.
kingsjester on October 11, 2010 at 10:28 PM
So this poll is saying that people would rather watch this country go bankrupt instead of give up their piece of cheese?
We get what we deserve.
VibrioCocci on October 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM
nite ya’ll
ted c on October 11, 2010 at 10:30 PM
At some point, Bawney Fwank will be in that pool …
… with a mask
… skinny dipping.
I’ll pass.
VibrioCocci on October 11, 2010 at 10:30 PM
It is because 40 percent is the real number. The rest of the pablum does not matter. The Dems can get about 40 percent almost no matter what.
CWforFreedom on October 11, 2010 at 10:30 PM
One thing about lemmings, they follow their conviction.
seven on October 11, 2010 at 10:31 PM
Agreed and good night to you.
VibrioCocci on October 11, 2010 at 10:31 PM
I can’t access the article, but I’m sure the questions are vague enough to make us look like confused dopes. That’s the real purpose, right?
Of course SS is “important”–if you’re over 50 you have been planning for SS to be part of your plan. Everyone I know younger knows changes have to occur for people who have time to earn enough to replace some of it. We of course can’t take it away from people over 65!
PattyJ on October 11, 2010 at 10:32 PM
Ive never understood the opposition to earmarks. If my tax dollars are going to be spent without a choice, i’d prefer them be spent on bridges where I live versus bridges in Alaska.
NoStoppingUs on October 11, 2010 at 10:33 PM
That’s pretty much the alternative.
2ipa on October 11, 2010 at 10:34 PM
Ho hum.
petefrt on October 11, 2010 at 10:34 PM
Holy left-wing sources, Batman.
amerpundit on October 11, 2010 at 10:34 PM
But if that’s true, what’s with the close numbers of wanting Bush back over Obama?
amerpundit on October 11, 2010 at 10:36 PM
The only people who answer phone polls are old folks. I see an 800 number calling me? Forget it.
John the Libertarian on October 11, 2010 at 10:36 PM
This is going to be trouble when the Tea Party tries to cut the budget. People give lip service but their heart is still begging for government handouts…
Messaging is going to be key! I hope those newbees are up to it! Because if they start willy nilly doing things against the will of the people they aren’t going to be in power any longer than the Dems were.
Eyes must be opened.
petunia on October 11, 2010 at 10:37 PM
I second that.
I am in the Liberal part of Oregon and I can’t find anyone who will openly say Obama has done anything good for the economy.**
**(Who isn’t a complete Obama Worshiper)
portlandon on October 11, 2010 at 10:37 PM
If they have extra money to piss around on projects that effect only a single state or district, then I’d prefer they didn’t even collect those taxes in the first place. Let the state raise the money if they need it so badly. The I-35 bridge in Minnesota was a federal responsibility. The bridge over Johnson’s Creek on Rural Route 8 is not.
KSgop on October 11, 2010 at 10:39 PM
A plurality say that eating sharp nails is part of a high in iron healthy diet. :P
Tuari on October 11, 2010 at 10:39 PM
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are angry with Obama who are going to be counting on social security and medicare in the next few years.
WisCon on October 11, 2010 at 10:40 PM
WaPo must poll in different circles.
And that’s all I got to say about that.
esnap on October 11, 2010 at 10:40 PM
Kate Steadman is a member of JOURNOLIST Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation / Kaiser Health News….
So I am calling BS.
Nice try though.
tetriskid on October 11, 2010 at 10:40 PM
Kate Steadman works for Kaiser Health and feeds Ezra Klein this crap.
tetriskid on October 11, 2010 at 10:41 PM
I don’t deserve that! Neither do most Republicans! We have to educate people! We must communicate the true state of the country and the cost of turning our lives over to idiots!
We simply cannot fail. We can’t fail, America can’t fail! But we can’t do it against people’s will either… so we have to prove our case! And it can be proven.
petunia on October 11, 2010 at 10:41 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/09/AR2010100903308.html?hpid=topnews
The article on the other side of the pay wall.
sharrukin on October 11, 2010 at 10:45 PM
The The Washington Post, the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University don’t have to actually do any polling, we already know what their results will be.
obladioblada on October 11, 2010 at 10:46 PM
What Mental Asylum did they do this poll in?..:)
Dire Straits on October 11, 2010 at 10:46 PM
any break down on who the WAPO asked these questions too?
unseen on October 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM
They’ll like the alternatives even less, but that’s what it might take.
hachiban on October 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what’s for dinner…
Khorum on October 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM
No, I don’t believe that.
tinkerthinker on October 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM
So according to this poll, America must collapse before a plurality of people can be made to understand just how bad it can be.
Bishop on October 11, 2010 at 10:48 PM
Next year when people who work for others receive their benefits package see the effect on the take home pay watch out.
CWforFreedom on October 11, 2010 at 10:49 PM
I don’t buy it.
SlaveDog on October 11, 2010 at 10:50 PM
Don’t be such a candy a** RINO loving p****. If people believed Obama’s policies were leaving America better off we’d be fighting a third Democratic wave.
El_Terrible on October 11, 2010 at 10:54 PM
DOWNTOWN said it exactly right.
Nobody got us here against our will, but an awful lot of so-called “Leaders” have spent a lot of years appealing to the absolute worst in our natures also. We didn’t have to keep re-electing these mutts time after time after time for “bringing home the bacon”, but they didn’t have to keep playing their part of the deal either. We all got ourselves here and we all have to grow up and drag our selves out of this hole as well.
Education is the deal, and it’s going to take a long, long time to get the job done.
Lew on October 11, 2010 at 10:54 PM
Voter: “I want a unicorn & I want you to make my neighbor pay for it. But don’t you dare expect me to pay for his unicorn.”
Politician: “No problem! Would you like fries with that?”
OhioCoastie on October 11, 2010 at 10:58 PM
Then keep your tax dollars in your own district through whatever mechanism you like.
FYI – if your getting federal dollars from Washington in the form of an earmark, it ain’t ‘your’ tax money – it came from all of us.
catmman on October 11, 2010 at 11:01 PM
WAPO is a lying rag full of DNC / Progressive cockroaches.
If people so think Obamacare and the DOTUS is going to be so great for the country then why the disconnect. Color me jaded.
This WAPO poll is worth a bucket of warm spit.
PappyD61 on October 11, 2010 at 11:08 PM
… despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, of course.
How many House seats are in play?
Senate?
Dems don’t want people to know they’re Dems, and don’t want Obama stumping for them.
This poll – like many others of late that are trying desperately to make things seem maybe-not-so-bad-no-really-please-let-it-happen-this-way – is 100% undiluted bovine excrement.
Midas on October 11, 2010 at 11:12 PM
Exactly. This poll is a undisguised bluff made by a poker player suffering from a severe twitch and breaking out in a flop sweat.
Midas on October 11, 2010 at 11:13 PM
rather than reading the article, i went to the kaiser foundation website
the demos are skewed donk….adults.
yeah, there’s some things that bother me…but given that vast left leaning PC that is the media….and given that tons of people pay only payroll taxes….some of the numbers are not surprising.
yes, lots of folks want you to pay for them. but actually, the top of mind view of government is still negative…that is the last question…very similar to gallup
r keller on October 11, 2010 at 11:16 PM
Yeah, like that’s going to happen. Obama’s past performance indicates how willing he is to cross party lines.
Barry will do nothing but complain about the Republicans and how they’re stifling HIS initiatives – lead by his czars issuing ‘regulations’.
GarandFan on October 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM
ps…and many of the questions are framed from a WaPo/beltway point of view.
for example, is your congressman more interested in helping your district or the country….HA! total BS. how about adding a couple of other answers 3. His Clients 4 himself
also, the one about spending for more jobs in your district, or not spending and have fewer job….PLEASE…STOP the BS
r keller on October 11, 2010 at 11:22 PM
Almost any other entitlement is up for grabs, but…
Nobody wants to be the first generation to not receive Social Security — the entitlement that goes to everybody. Nobody wants to be the first generation to have spent all their retirement money on the last generation and have none for themselves. Remember, every dollar that went into Social Security did not go into the giver’s retirement account — it did two things: (a) it bought security for the current generation of retirees, and (b) it bought a promise of future support of the giver. This promise, given how the Democrats stole the “lockbox” and resisted the Bush Administration’s pleas for redress, is a promise likely not to be kept.
Again, out of all the entitlements you can name, that one is the one promised to everyone who has used their hands to work. It isn’t promised to George Soros’ interest income, nor to Bill Gates’ — it’s promised to real workers.
The first side that publicly calls for its demise without a proper replacement is the side that commits political suicide.
unclesmrgol on October 11, 2010 at 11:25 PM
Brave words. Now, which voters should give up what, in your estimation? Your answer, rendered here in First Life, will be the difference between you becoming a Representative or a Senator with a lifetime pension, as opposed to merely being branded a blowhard.
unclesmrgol on October 11, 2010 at 11:31 PM
I may well be wrong, but I’m getting to the point where I just don’t trust any poll put out by the liberal media. Marist last week and the Washington Post this week. All they’re trying to do is take away the Republican mandate, if they win big, by saying that the public just wants to slightly modify Obama’s policies not repeal them.
Well, if the Republicans are saying repeal, and you vote for them, I’m guessing you’re all for repeal. If you vote for the Democrats, you’re all for Thelma and Louise and going off the cliff together.
bflat879 on October 11, 2010 at 11:37 PM
Maybe it isn’t “fair” for me to say that we get what we deserve considering that, if worse comes to worse, my family and I can survive “off the grid” longer than most.
However, I am nowhere near retirement age, and I am fairly certain that I will not receive social security in any form.
My father includes a reminder in our conversations that includes something along the lines of,”Don’t forget that you’re working to pay my Social Security!”
The reality is that there is no easy solution, but this country cannot continue down this path.
Unfortunately, I have no solutions either.
VibrioCocci on October 11, 2010 at 11:44 PM
10% unemployment is peachy, too!
profitsbeard on October 11, 2010 at 11:49 PM
I agree! The plurality is right on!
A year ago, I didn’t have a nickel in my pocket. Today, I have a nickel in my pocket. Thank you, Obama!
Obama came to set free the wage slaves like me. Now that I’ve been set free, I have no wages. I salute your policies, Obama!
And, if Obama’s most excellent policies keep improving my lot in this manner, I figure it won’t be long before I can move on up to that gorgeous home in the luxury cardboard box above the steam grate that I’ve had my eye on now for quite some time.
Keep up the fantastic work, Obama! Keep the faith, plurality!
FlameWarrior on October 12, 2010 at 12:05 AM
Bush did — maybe it’s time to consider his, which allow enough favorable tax treatment (“privatized Social Security”) so that the contribution to the existing plan isn’t as painful as it might otherwise be. The Democrats didn’t want to lose the taxes Bush’s plan would have removed, so here we sit with an empty lockbox on the table in front of us, waiting for the Sword to fall.
unclesmrgol on October 12, 2010 at 12:31 AM
I have a feeling we’ll be seeing stories about how popular Obama is, or how popular his policies are, or how everyone blames Bush for our problems, right up to the day that the Democrats lose control of both houses of Congress, and the presidency in 2012. We’re still seeing stories about majorities favoring same-sex marriage, even though it’s lost every time it’s put to a vote.
There Goes The Neighborhood on October 12, 2010 at 12:38 AM
the long hard truth is this: we have had several generations of partying down…on other people’s money, on borrowed money, on future generations money.
so now we have a choice…continue the party and descend into Greece, or eventually worse….or slow down the party and have slow growth, Japan style, for a generation?
whether or not SocSec is “paid” to people is irrelevant. Choice 1…increase taxes, Choice 2….cut and means test SS..or 3…let currency debasement do the trick.
each choice will serve to slow the economy, workers saving more, workers being taxed more or anything else…it is all the same…the party is over
I suppose there’s yet another choice…cut regulation and the social encumbrances that way down business….forget about global warming, be a country that is strong and the leader of the free world.
but here’s a sad chart from Credit Suisse about where we are now…
https://www.credit-suisse.com/upload/news-live/000000022232.pdf
r keller on October 12, 2010 at 12:49 AM
Remember that the Kaiser Family Foundation is the only pollster with people favoring Obamacare.
Antagonist on October 12, 2010 at 1:10 AM
I’m reminded of a quote from Heinlein’s Starship Troopers:
malclave on October 12, 2010 at 1:19 AM
If this study is correct, why are a majority of Americans eager to vote these creeps out of office?
jawkneemusic on October 12, 2010 at 1:35 AM
Questions on medicare and social security are meaningless without including the cost of same to the person being asked.
Do you want SS no matter what???
I think not!
Lonetown on October 12, 2010 at 4:28 AM
Allahpundit, there is a basic problem here.
The Federal Government attached a portion of my earnings from my first pay check through my last every week, every month, every year I worked. Now that I am in retirement if this is taken away from me you might politely put it that I will be “annoyed.” I think other elderly people would fall into deep despair. The Government made it more difficult than it should have been for me to fund my own retirement, maximum contribution every year for the majority of my life.
As Senator DeMint seems to note people in my shoes, people over 65, and people over 50 for whom recovery from the government bite is hardest need to be cared for as well as the government can. Those who CAN still put away will be stuck. I’ve been figuring I’d be a stuckee about when I was 50 with SS going bust. I made it to 65 before that happened.
I can survive, probably without dog food. There are a many many others who cannot, even now. Does this fit your parents?
Since you’re probably among the people who will have to pay for it, perhaps the big push should be in dismantling the government bureaucracy, privatizing large chunks and abolishing non-functional departments that are not meeting their charter purposes. Get agencies like the EPA off the back of businesses by simply not funding it. We cannot afford it for at least 30 years. So we should trim it.
We should trim as much as possible avoiding defense, law enforcement, and the tattered remnants of Social Security needed to keep the elderly out of abject poverty. THEN we consider trimming Social Security and Medicare. They may need to be trimmed. But at least hold off until the other fat is gone. There is an awesome amount of fat to trim, if you trim back to purely Constitutional levels. Put the young people in the SEIU out of work, first.
{^_^}
herself on October 12, 2010 at 5:01 AM
We can never go back.
We can never go back to the days when families cared for one another. Where “social security” was family security.
We will never go back to the days of orphanages and poorhouses, either. That’s a good thing.
But there has to be a happy medium between poorhouses and watching a woman buy cigarettes with her own money, then use food stamps to buy chocolate bars, as I observed in the drugstore the other day.
There has to be a reasonable middle ground. Right?
Grace_is_sufficient on October 12, 2010 at 6:49 AM
crayons at work…
cmsinaz on October 12, 2010 at 7:15 AM
…which means a solid majority believes they have had ZERO impact or made things worse.
What’s the problem?
CDeb on October 12, 2010 at 7:21 AM
OMG! A POLL THAT DOES NOT FIT MY WORLD VIEW!1!1!
It must be wrong. NOW WHERES MY TEA!?!
/s
NoStoppingUs on October 12, 2010 at 7:46 AM
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Jaibones on October 12, 2010 at 7:56 AM
Like most surveys, it depends on what they mean by “more government”.
I guarantee they don’t mean more corrupt or inept government.
What they are saying these already government institutions (where they can’t conceive of eliminating them) need to be better run, better funded, more efficient…not just “more”.
right2bright on October 12, 2010 at 7:56 AM
*EXACTLY* what I was thinking.
RegularJoe on October 12, 2010 at 8:11 AM
Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.
Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.
Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people.
And for eric the holder this from Tom
I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.
Thomas Jefferson
Col.John Wm. Reed on October 12, 2010 at 8:25 AM
There is a shopping center dow the road from our house, over 75% empty. Waiting for recovery winter.
I think the WaPo lies.
tarpon on October 12, 2010 at 8:33 AM
Faulty premise: assuming that government spending boosts the economy.
It is the opposite that is true.
Count to 10 on October 12, 2010 at 9:15 AM
Pork not good for Congressional Districts
LarryD on October 12, 2010 at 9:27 AM
That’s why Obama appointed a commission to come up with the hard decisions. Unfortunately, few politicians have the guts to take on entitlement spending. You’re also correct that people on the right have made great progress in popularizing the belief that removing ‘government waste’ can fix the deficit.
You clearly don’t have even a rudimentary understanding of economics. If not for government spending to fill the void, the economy would have witnessed negative growth over the past 8 quarters. A number of Hotair commenters have pointed out this fact in recent months- it’s based on quantifiable economic data.
bayam on October 12, 2010 at 9:32 AM
It’s about what I’d expect. The liberal/progressive political philosophy is dominant in much of America today. The enemy is strong and hard to dislodge without winning back the hearts and minds of many reflexive adherents.
In this election cycle the people are rising up against the obviously bad management of the economy by the government. It’s a good start.
Randy
williars on October 12, 2010 at 9:55 AM
More last gasp BS from MSM Dems and their ilk.
2nd “poll” filled with vague questions, answers and correlations to make Dems “feel better” about the impending doom.
Get used to it – its clear the MSM has nothing left to manipulate, sans bogus “polls” – and they are going all in on positive perception to cover the failure known as Dems over the past 3 years.
Odie1941 on October 12, 2010 at 9:58 AM
And where does “government spending” come from, bayam? Please, do enlighten us.
Grace_is_sufficient on October 12, 2010 at 10:10 AM
I would like to get my money back from SSA: even in this climate I can invest it to the point of getting some return, while government can only steal it from the young to hand to the old.
To end SSA you keep the ‘promise’ to those getting checks currently.
To those who ‘paid in’, your money has been spent and is gone. I would like to see it handed back, but that isn’t going to happen. The next best thing is to let people take it out of the taxes they owe to government until their ‘account’ reaches zero.
End FICA.
With these two, alone, you will have given one of the largest tax breaks to the American people that has ever been seen and a large number of working families will owe zero taxes for a number of years as they reduce their SSA ‘account’. Yes you will get higher deficits for a few years, and increase the debt. In a decade you won’t have that problem any longer.
Take Medicare and Medicaid, add them together, divide by 2, and block grant that amount to the States on a declining scale that ends after 5 years. If the States want to do this, let them and let them charge the people in their State so we can see the results of good and bad policy in States instead of gambling on the National level for this.
After that just don’t hand over spending for various parts of government that you don’t need: Energy, Education, EPA, FDA, vast sections of the Interior Dept., Labor, FCC, SEC… and end all backing for Freddie, Fannie, Ginnie, Sallie, and the Federal Reserve which has twice gotten policy so wrong as to send the Nation into a long lasting tailspin. Sell off the assets of those departments via GAO so we can recoup some of the money to help fund the government. By ending these drags on the budget and turning them into short term money generation centers while property and goods are sold at auction, we can then start to address what a real taxation system might look like.
Keep the promises that need to be kept.
Hand back the money for broken promises.
Support the States to help them decide what to do next.
And get rid of the overburden and sell it off to get some revenue.
And watch this economy roar back to life on a scale that has never been witnessed by any Nation at any time in history.
ajacksonian on October 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM
Let’s ask the same questions about other government expenditures. Do you want federal employees to earn double the salaries of those in private industry? Do you want them to have a raise every year, and bonuses? Do you want to preserve their rich pensions? Do you want earmarks preserved? Do you want a Department of Education — no matter what?
I see SS and Medicare as sacred and inviolable, -the payments that is. If it comes from a private structure, that’s fine. The difference between these and other government expenditures is that it is or was paid for by the recipients, in fact in the case of SS, overpaid. Why would we not deliver the one product that the recipients have paid for, in favor of those not paid for by recipients?
Let’s slash federal government salaries 10% for starters, and in a performance-reward sense, they deserve no better since they got us in this mess. Let’s fix their retirement benefits and healthcare plans and contributions so they are no better than typical private. Let’s get rid of the DOE. Do all those things first before we think about giving seniors a haircut.
slickwillie2001 on October 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM
..ugh!
The War Planner on October 12, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Added what has become the obligatory ACORN connection here in the Hot Air Greenroom. These guys are shameless.
Anita MonCrief on October 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM
If you google Kaiser Family Foundation and Obamacare, you will find this organization has been releasing pro-Obamacare propaganda (i.e. videos), and their polls have consistenly shown higher support for Obamacare than the poll averages.
blue13326 on October 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM
you got fooled by the Progressive Liberal Socialist Kaiser Foundation (HMO much) push poll a feel good study for Socialists that does NOT uncover solutions to the NObama Jobless Economy. Socialism is Economic Slavery, there is NO Freedom without Economic Freedom, Freedom creates Jobs.
mathewsjw on October 12, 2010 at 11:32 AM