Rossi moves ahead of Murray in two polls

posted at 11:36 am on October 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The state of Washington may soon join the Republican wave that appears ready to crash nationwide, dealing a serious blow to Democrats’ hopes of holding the Senate.  In two polls this morning, Dino Rossi has moved ahead of incumbent Senator Patty Murray in a race that Democrats thought was reasonably safe even in a bad midterm cycle.  First, Chris Cillizza links to a new Republican poll showing a six-point lead for the Republican, with Murray at only 42% (via Redstate):

The survey, conducted by Fabrizio, McLaughlin and Associates for the conservative-aligned American Action Forum, showed Rossi leading Murray 48 percent to 42 percent among likely voters. The results indicate that the race has shifted in Rossi’s favor since June, when the same pollster’s survey showed the candidates tied at 46 percent apiece. …

According to the Fabrizio survey, 45 percent of likely voters view Murray favorably, compared with 45 percent who view her unfavorably. That’s not far off from Rossi’s ratings; 46 percent of likely voters viewed him favorably while 41 percent viewed him unfavorably.

The number of voters saying that it’s time to elect a new senator in the GOP survey has ticked up slightly since the summer. In June, 46 percent of those surveyed said it’s time to give a new person a chance. Now, 51 percent of voters say the same thing, while 39 percent say that Murray deserves re-election.

That poll showed a 45/42 Republican lead in a generic Senate race, but also a 51/39 preference for a new Senator rather than an incumbent.  Cillizza’s report leaves the impression that this question mentioned Murray specifically, which it didn’t.  Murray’s job approval has gone underwater at 45/48, as has Barack Obama’s at 45/50.

However, the sample could be called into question, as the poll only has 28% Democrats, as opposed to 27% Republicans and 37% independents.  Offhand, I’d believe that Democrats have a partisan advantage greater than a single point — and in previous polls by the same pollster, Democrats had a +5 in July and a +7 in June.  That could account for the polling change, although voters could possibly be making that big of a shift away from the Democratic Party, although it’s unlikely.

Rasmussen shows Rossi moving ahead as well, though to a smaller degree:

Republican challenger Dino Rossi has edged slightly ahead of incumbent Democrat Patty Murray in Washington’s U.S. Senate race.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in Washington shows Rossi with 49% of the vote, while Murray’s support stands at 46%. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate in the race, and two percent (2%) are undecided.

This sample looks much closer to reality in the Democratic stronghold of Washington, and perhaps slightly too generous for Democrats.  The D/R/I partisan split here is 37/29/33, an eight-point advantage for Democrats, which seems a bit wide for a likely-voter model this cycle.  It serves well, however, in a comparison with the first poll, as it shows actual momentum in the race.

The difference in this race is the independents.  Rossi wins them by 18 points, 55/37, with leaners, and 53/36 without.  Both candidates hold their party well (92% for Rossi, 86% for Murray).  Rossi wins or splits every age demographic except 50-64YOs, where he trails within the MOE, 47/50, and blows Murray away with thirtysomethings, 53/39.

Only 79% of voters are certain of their vote (67% of independents), so these numbers could change — but it’s tough to see them breaking for Murray.  Rossi has higher favorables, 52/47 to 49/51.  Repealing ObamaCare is narrowly supported by Washington’s likely voters, 50/47, and the mandate is more strongly opposed, 53/43.  Only 6% of the voters rate the economy as “good” (none rate it “excellent”) with 54% rating it “poor.”  Two thirds think it’s getting worse or not improving.  Sixty percent think that Porkulus either hurt the economy or had no impact at all.

I’d rely on the Rasmussen number more than FMA, but both point to momentum, and show why Murray is not in position to win voters back.

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Senate seat #51. yes.
Careful of the Slimy Sleazy Patty Murray!….She will do all that she can to steal this Election……Keep EYES on Her…..

Go Rossi

hawkman on October 8, 2010 at 11:39 AM

This is one that would go a long, long way towards the gOp taking a majority.

Please God…

JohnGalt23 on October 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Dude, we finally are the lesser of evils!! GO team R

Elizabetty on October 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM


… Washington may soon join the Republican wave … The difference in this race is the independents. Rossi wins them by 18 points …

Thanks Obama! Change we can believe in! haha

Tony737 on October 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Witness the fully operational power of HOT AIR…..

coming soon…to a voting booth near you….

buh bye Patty…

ted c on October 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Ann’s article did it!

barnone on October 8, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Please may it be so!

But King County’s (Seattle) history of election fraud scares me. Rossi has already had one election stolen from him there.

WannabeAnglican on October 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM

UNFORTUNATELY, WA has an inordinate number of elitist urban liberals/progressives, ergo, the state will deliver its socialists votes to the democrat. I don’t buy the poll results but I do have my fingers crossed. :)

hoi polloi on October 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

I need a cigarette after reading that post…

… Was it good for you, too?

Seven Percent Solution on October 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

It’s Free Speech’s fault. One more thing that Obama will have to “fix.”

RBMN on October 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Sorry, but 51 won’t do it, with 57 (or 60) states in play, that is 114 (or 120) senators, so looks like 58 (or 61) is the magic number.
Right now, democrat heads are exploding…just three weeks, but three weeks of hell for the dems.

right2bright on October 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Planning on going to a Rossi fundraiser tonight. Go Dino!

JamesB on October 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

nate silver:

West Virginia, Nevada, Illinois, Washington, Colorado, and California — where Republican odds are notably stronger. Were Republicans to win five of the six states, they would claim control of the Senate…

LOOKING GOOD! ESP IF WE GET CT!

reliapundit on October 8, 2010 at 11:45 AM

as the poll only has 28% Democrats, as opposed to 27% Republicans and 37% independents. Offhand, I’d believe that Democrats have a partisan advantage greater than a single point

Good points…but momentum will count for at least 4points.
I have always held the belief (after the Florida primary) that the dems have to be at least 4 points ahead in polling to have a chance to win that seat.

right2bright on October 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM

The Apocalypse was closer than I thought.

My collie says:

You need to apologize for your skepticism, CC.

Not yet. The Demonrats can still “find” bogus ballots ya’ know.

CyberCipher on October 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM

If one is good two is better … Better put the cheese out, the rats are going to need lots of cheese.

tarpon on October 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Dino Rossi Candidate Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPnRTTiN3Ks

canopfor on October 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM

You need to apologize for your skepticism, CC.
Not yet. The Demonrats can still “find” bogus ballots ya’ know.

CyberCipher on October 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM

CyberCipher:Speaking of ballots CC,Democrats have buried
dead ones too!!:)

canopfor on October 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Just poll King County. It’s the only one that matters. Well, them and whatever bags of votes the dems can find in the second or third recount.

Hey! Look over here! there’s more!

WitchDoctor on October 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

The Liberal Valley of Tears is coming,

REMEMBER,on November 2,Show your compassion
to the Liberals,and carry a box of kleenex
for there sorrow and pass them out,when in
need!!(sarc).

canopfor on October 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM

I thought Fox reported last night that Obama was going to run through WA for a fundraiser so. And it was a trip that the WH was wishing it didn’t have to make.

BuckeyeSam on October 8, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Locally, (Spokane) This morning.

franksalterego on October 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM

However, the sample could be called into question, as the poll only has 28% Democrats, as opposed to 27% Republicans and 37% independents. Offhand, I’d believe that Democrats have a partisan advantage greater than a single point

The rest of the state leans R, but Seattle is very leftist, and I think Seattle outweighs the rest of the state populationwise.

rbj on October 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Watch Dino’s New Ad “Which One?”

http://www.dinorossi.com/whichone/

canopfor on October 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Sweeeeeeeeeeet.

Dems are going to be smoking mad during the lame duck session.

……. for not getting their message out to the people. LOL.

fogw on October 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

I thought Fox reported last night that Obama was going to run through WA for a fundraiser so. And it was a trip that the WH was wishing it didn’t have to make.

BuckeyeSam on October 8, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Good news – that should seal the deal for Murray just like it did for Feingold.

Missy on October 8, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Never to fear! They’ll find a few boxes of uncounted ballots in Gregoire’s garage.

John the Libertarian on October 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Democrats Urged to Run on Their Beatles Records

Mervis Winter on October 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM

…. and blows Murray away with thirtysomethings, 53/39.

This bodes well for the future in WA. The boomers just need to die off faster.

Harpoon on October 8, 2010 at 12:11 PM

Democrats Urged to Run on Their Beatles Records

Mervis Winter on October 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM

SNORT !! LOL

pambi on October 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Now this is the race that might keep us up late on November 2, and possibly even up late on November 9, due to Washington’s mail in ballots and how close this one may turn out to be.

This is the big one. It’s the crest of the wave. This is seat #51. If the other seats break our way, this gets us over the top. If they don’t, then we likely lose this one too.

Chris of Rights on October 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Democrats Urged to Run on Their Beatles Records

Mervis Winter on October 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Mervis Winter:(Get Back/Day Tripper)LOL:)

canopfor on October 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM

This is a good time for Rossi to pull ahead and show momentum. Military Absentee ballots were all mailed out NLT 5 days ago. Regular Absentee ballots will be mailed out NLT the 15th. This is according to the Secretary of State. Washington is almost nearly completely mail-in. King County went years ago. So most voting will take place in the next week or two.

Now, the shenanigans will be easier to pull, since ballots will not be in one flood, but a bunch of trickles. We just have to be vigilant, especially in King County, who took an election from Rossi already after they recounted just enough times to elect Gregoire.

JeffWeimer on October 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM

After the Dems and Gregoire blatantly and shamelessly stole the gubernatorial election from Rossi, this would be sweet justice.

Christien on October 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM

This is remarkable news. I wonder if we could control the Senate and not elect RINO-as$wipe Mark Kirk in Illinois?

He hates conservatives, despite being lavished with the seductive conservative affections of Ed Morrissey and the likes of RINO-ish Michael Medved.

If Dino can remove the foul Patty Murray from the Senate, we’re one step closer to not needing Kirk for anything. Then the Democraps can put yet another criminally unethical and unqualified nitwit (Giannoulias) in the Senate for America to laugh at.

Jaibones on October 8, 2010 at 12:19 PM

The crook in king country that engineered the last theft is no longer there. He works for Barry now

BruceB on October 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Best night on Nov. 02, 2010:

- Hammer taken away from imperious Pelosi
- Senate gone from: Reid, Boxer, Blanche Lincoln, Murray, Murkowski, Crist and a few others

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Murray has ads playing overandoverandover on tv. They’re working, too. Everyone I’ve talked to is voting for Rossi because of them.

starboardhelm on October 8, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Rossi with 49% of the vote, while Murray’s support stands at 46%.. Or, as we refer to it:

Within the Margin of Count, Recount, and Re-recount, until the Democrat wins.

franksalterego on October 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM

I would probably trust the Rasmussen poll more than the Fabrizio poll, because it has a more reasonable (for WA) distribution of voters by party. It will probably be closer, because Rasmussen didn’t poll dead people in King County, who will turn out in droves for the Democrats.

If Rossi can win WA, and other Republicans with slight leads can win in NV, CO, WV, and WI, we could be delighted to crown Up-Chuck Schumer as Senate Minority Leader…

Steve Z on October 8, 2010 at 12:44 PM

The crook in king country that engineered the last theft is no longer there. He works for Barry now

BruceB on October 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM

I imagine the WH will loan him out as needed.

Aviator on October 8, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Rossi better win this one by more than a point or 2, IYKWIMAITYD.

stldave on October 8, 2010 at 12:48 PM

I haven’t even paid attention to the race but have been confident he’ll win. He won before, (barely, but was shafted in the recount), and now he has Tea Party momentum behind him.

FloatingRock on October 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Go Rossi!

29Victor on October 8, 2010 at 1:06 PM

September was the Democrats real chance to define the Republican candidates, because they had more money overall and so could beat GOP in September spending. Now GOP can match Dems in October in addition to the 7:1 advantage in outside groups $ and the huge enthusiasm gap.
ND, AR, IN, WV, CO, WI, PA, NV, IL gets the GOP to 50.
CT, CA, and WA could have us at 53.

2012: 18 vulnerable Democratic incumbents
Gillibrand (NY)
Nelson (FL) Florida has turned bright red and Nelson’s approval is @ 45% as of August
Nelson(NB) enough said
Webb (VA) approval rating @ 42 in February and will have clock cleaned by George Allen in macaca-less ’06 rematch
Tester (MT) is toast because he’s a dyed-in-wool liberal and eeked by with 49% in ’06 versus a horribly unpopular GOP incumbent
Stabenow (MI) 38% approval in Sept ’10 poll and Obama is at 41%
Casey (PA) had 36% approval in June and Obama is @ 40%
Klobuchar (MN) Obama approval @ 45 as of 10/5/10
Conrad (ND) see Dorgan, Byron.
Brown (OH) uber-liberal who fought for public option, has as much tact as Alan Grayson. No recent data, his approval was at 42% in July ’09 so can only imagine how low it is post-Obamacare. Obama’s @ 40% in Ohio.
Whitehouse (RI) had 32% approval in February
Kohl (WI) had 42% approval in September
Menendez (NJ) was tied with Tom Kean in 2012-hypo back in March and Obama’s at 45%
McCaskill (MO) was at 38% in April
Feinstein (CA) see Ma’am, Senator
Cardin (MD) is at 42% approval
Cantwell (WA) and Bingaman (NM) have 50% approval and are in battleground states

If the GOP plays its cards right, we are easily within reach of a supermajority in 2012.

Raisedbywolves on October 8, 2010 at 1:11 PM

a lesser known poll by Reid, Pelosi and Rahm, Inc shows dead people in Seattle voting for Murray by a 761% to 0% margin.

angryed on October 8, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Please may it be so!

But King County’s (Seattle) history of election fraud scares me. Rossi has already had one election stolen from him there.

WannabeAnglican on October 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Fortunately, Dino knows the BS the King County Dems are capable of and I think he’ll be seriously lawyered-up come Election Day.

Oh, and please support James Watkins so we can get rid of that loathsome tool Jay Inslee.

fiatboomer on October 8, 2010 at 1:58 PM

These days I am hearing life long Democrats decrying Obama and his policies. This is the first time in decades that I have seen this happen. It’s not the economy either since many of these are retirees whose incomes are pretty much fixed. He is not liked or trusted anymore with the reins of this country–pretty much that simple. Even those who , for example, like the closing of the doughnut hole do not think that it offsets the huge cuts in Medicare or the perceived deterioration of services.

jeanie on October 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Regarding King County vote fraud: it might be useful to remind KC election officials beforehand that the investigating powers of the next Congress will be in Republican hands… and that the TP will be there to keep the ‘pubbies from yielding to their natural indolence.

PersonFromPorlock on October 8, 2010 at 2:40 PM

This is the State of Washington you’re talking about. Unless Rossi has at least a 10 pt lead, they will end up sending a D to the senate one way or another. Heck, boxes of votes are being loaded into trunks all over Seattle as we speak!

Fatal on October 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM