Fairleigh Dickinson poll: Coons 53, O’Donnell 36

posted at 4:59 pm on October 6, 2010 by Allahpundit

There are actually two polls out today, one from FDU and the other from the University of Delaware showing Coons up 19, but the latter is a poll of … randomly selected Delaware adults. Why on earth would anyone spend good money to survey a sample as broad as that at this point in the campaign? We’re less than 30 days from the election, boys; from now on, it’s likely voters or bust.

FDU did confine its own poll to likelies, though. The last survey of likely voters in Delaware was by Rasmussen on September 26 and showed Coons up just nine points. Whether his lead is actually expanding or these FDU numbers are simply an outlier will depend, I guess, on what Ras comes up with later this week.

Republican Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell is actually better known to Delaware’s likely voters than Democrat Chris Coons: 93% say they have heard of Coons, while 97% say they have heard of O’Donnell. Nonetheless, according to the most recent poll by Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind, Coons leads O’Donnell 53%-36% in the special election…

Democrats have largely united behind Coons: 85% say that they will vote for their party’s nominee. However, only 68% of Republicans say that they will vote for O’Donnell. Independents lean to Coons by 46% to 37%.

“Typically, Republicans are more loyal to their party than Democrats,” said Dan Cassino, professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson University and survey analyst for the university’s PublicMind research group. “This hesitation by Republicans is hurting O’Donnell.”

A few things here. On the upbeat side, remember that O’Donnell’s ad campaign is just starting to roll out and that she’s got tons of cash to keep it running. (In fact, FDU’s poll was concluded the day before her “I’m not a witch, I’m you” spot debuted.) The ad barrage and the debate between her and Coons a week from today will be all-important, obviously; if she’s still down by double digits 10 days from now, oh well. On the downbeat side, one thing not mentioned by FDU in its summary but worth flagging in the crosstabs is how much worse O’Donnell’s doing among women than men. Among male likely voters, Coons leads 50/41; among women, it’s 56/32. That’s strikingly similar to CNN’s poll of this race from a few weeks ago, which showed a roughly even split among men but a 29-point lead for Coons among female voters. The tea party’s favorable rating in Delaware is equally skewed: Overall it’s 34/48 but just 40/45 among men versus … 29/51 among women. In fact, the gender gap is much wider vis-a-vis views of the tea party then it is on abortion. In Delaware, 36 percent of both men and women describe themselves as pro-life compared to 51 percent and 56 percent, respectively, who say they’re pro-choice. We already knew that women voters generally tilt towards Democrats but they’re tilting waaaaay over towards Coons’s side in this state. And if that’s because they simply can’t stomach the tea-party paradigm of small government then I’m not sure what O’Donnell can say policy-wise to win them over.

As for the boldfaced stuff in the excerpt, some of those wayward Republicans are bound to come home on election day but the high name recognition for both candidates is worrisome. It’s one thing if blue-state voters are leaning towards the Democrat instinctively because they haven’t looked at the Republican yet, it’s another if they have looked at him/her and are leaning Democrat anyway. Here’s hoping Team O’Donnell’s got some killer ads in the pipe. Call Ladd Ehlinger, guys! Dale Peterson is standing by.


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Damn you Allah, you candy-ass RINO! Why do you hate Palin O`Donnell so much!

/sarc lol

ThePrez on October 6, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind poll shows Coons and O’Donnell in a statistical dead heat in Kent and Sussex Counties, with Coons leading 46% to 45%. In New Castle County, Coons’ lead widens, 58% to 31%

Dead heat in multiple Counties. Hmmmmm.

The poll also shows 85% of Democrats saying they’ll vote for Coons. 68% of Republicans say O’Donnell will be their choice.

Hmmm. Democrats are more loyal to their guy than the Republicans are to their candidate.

The survey also concludes that if Coons were running against Mike Castle, whom O’Donnell beat in the primary, Castle would be leading him among voters, 51% to 38%.

Hmmm. It sounds like people might be swayed by a Castle endorsement.

Imagine if Mike Castle wasn’t a selfish Son of a B1tch?

Imagine……

portlandon on October 6, 2010 at 5:54 PM

The momentum of a candidate on election night, who just unseated a long standing Senator, could have put O’Donnell in a very good position.

No it couldn’t have, and she didn’t “unseat” Castle, she won a primary where only Republicans voted. She won the majority of a minority in the state, that’s all.

Yes I think Rove sabotaged O’Donnell out of pure frustration.

portlandon on October 6, 2010 at 5:45 PM

“Frustration?” at what? What evidence do you have for this charge? Or do you question the motives of everyone who doesn’t agree with you? Rove has spent tons and worked like crazy to defeat the Obama agenda, and he saw those hopes flushed down the toilet on primary night. So, yes, he was perhaps frustrated, but not because he didn’t want O’Donnell to be senator, but because he didn’t want Coons in there.

This is a mess of “True Conservative’s™” own making, but they’re blaming others for it. What ever happened to taking personal responsibility for you actions.

29Victor on October 6, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Lets just wait and see… if she loses, I still say it will teach the GOP a lesson about foisting RINOs off on the electorate.
Queen0fCups on October 6, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Pray tell, what will that lesson be?

Better to nominate a “true con” with little to no chance of victory, because it will give the ideologically conservative primary voters the warm fuzzies? Yeah, sure, I’m sure they’ll get right on that.

Demonized though they may be, in races like DE, the GOP was looking at the long view. What may be unacceptable to ideological conservatives may be just fine or even preferable to moderate / independent voters. And like it or not, in statewide elections (such as a Senate race), independents decide the election. Every time. While it’s true that independents don’t necessarily possess uniformity as a whole, they do tend to lean in specific directions based upon location, and in the Northeast, that direction is NOT naturally towards the ideological conservative.

Vyce on October 6, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Are people really surprised and upset O’Donnell is down 17 points in the polls in Delaware(for whatever they might be worth)?

I thought it was all about purifying the brand, who cares if Republicans don’t win the seat?

DarkCurrent on October 6, 2010 at 5:55 PM

This is Mike Castles fault for not endorsing her.

portlandon on October 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM

man up Mike, you’re gay

Mikey darling, please endorse me

Question- Even in true blue CT the wrestling queen is kicking butt. I’m finding it hard to believe that O’Donnell is having such a hard fight against someone who isn’t and incumbent.

gdonovan on October 6, 2010 at 5:23 PM?

the wrestling queen has an actual executive resume, Christine does frivolous discrimination lawsuits and tabloid TV

put your man pants on chumps, you’ve been had, Rove and the Hammer were right, Christine is a loser.

windansea on October 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM

If she does win it will be ignored
If she does not win it will be repeated Ad nauseam until 2012. Even if the GOP wins 300 and 52 her loss will be the biggest story of the election.

tjexcite on October 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM

3.Krauthhammer trashed her for 3 days after her victory.
How did Krauthammer “trash” her?

Jon0815 on October 6, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Jon0815: Heres 2 videos I found of Krauthammer on Angle/
O’Donnell!!
====================

Weird. Krauthammer Attacks Sharron Angle & Christine O’Donnell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D60rxApZRs
===========================================
===========================================

Krauthammer: I Didn’t Hammer Christine O’Donnell But Republicans Threw Away a Seat in Delaware”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3C3YbLN4Og&feature=related

canopfor on October 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM

At this point she might as well do photo ops in a black cape and pointy hat.

Dark-Star on October 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Charles was right.

keep the change on October 6, 2010 at 5:58 PM

“True Conservatives™,” the Obama agenda thanks you.

29Victor on October 6, 2010 at 5:35 PM

You ‘moderates’ put him into office so spare us the BS sniveling about what conservatives actions might do.

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Dude, bite me. You don’t know a thing about me. Where do you get off calling me a “moderate?” I’m a “moderate” because I want Republicans to control the Senate? You’re an idiot because you don’t.

Here’s an idea. Maybe it was you “True Conservatives™“ refusing to back McCain that put Oabma into office. How ’bout that? The discussion we’re having here sound a whole lot like the one we had before the last election, when the “TCs™” could do nothing but b1thc, p1ss and moan about McCain. Then Obama got elected and they b1tched, p1ssed and moaned about him.

Maybe y’all just like b1tching. Maybe you just like looking down on all of us from your high horses and telling us what we’re doing wrong without actually doing anything to help us fix things.

29Victor on October 6, 2010 at 6:00 PM

17 points is pretty close to the margin of difference between Democrats and Republicans which last I read was 22 points. Polling isn’t going to mean squat, it is going to be all about turnout. But I just don’t see how it is mathematically possible for her to pull it off as she needs to get a lot of upstate Democrats to vote for her in order to win. What is she doing to attract Democrat voters?

“I thought it was all about purifying the brand, who cares if Republicans don’t win the seat?”

Having a “pure” brand with no seats is the same as having no brand at all. Having a perfect product that nobody will buy puts you out of business.

crosspatch on October 6, 2010 at 6:02 PM

CAN WE DO IT

YES WICCAN

Dave Rywall on October 6, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Are people really surprised and upset O’Donnell is down 17 points in the polls in Delaware(for whatever they might be worth)?

I thought it was all about purifying the brand, who cares if Republicans don’t win the seat?

DarkCurrent on October 6, 2010 at 5:55 PM

The attacks by Republicans on O’Donnell I think is what most people find surprising and disturbing. No one is surprised by the media assault.

Delaware voted, she was the Republican candidate … they should have either supported her or shut up.

darwin on October 6, 2010 at 6:04 PM

3.Krauthhammer trashed her for 3 days after her victory.
How did Krauthammer “trash” her?
Jon0815 on October 6, 2010 at 5:49 PM

He made the decision to, accurately, point out she’s a flawed candidate who is likely going to lose.

And he is, of course, being proven right.

But certain people want to drink koolaid, not truth serum.

Vyce on October 6, 2010 at 6:04 PM

This is a mess of “True Conservative’s™” own making, but they’re blaming others for it. What ever happened to taking personal responsibility for you actions.

29Victor on October 6, 2010 at 5:54 PM

This is a mess of “True Conservative’s™” own making, but they’re blaming others for it. What ever happened to taking personal responsibility for you actions.

29Victor on October 6, 2010 at 5:54 PM

I wanted to quote you twice, because it was so ridiculously ridiculous.

You “True Moderates” lost the primary and spent 3 weeks belly aching and trashing O’Donnell worse than Liberals were. Heck, the libs got the talking points on trashing O’Donnell from “True Moderates” Karl Rove from watching him on Election night!

The “True Conservatives” & “True Moderates” might as well hold hands and jump off a bridge together if we can’t overcome this divide of our own making.

portlandon on October 6, 2010 at 6:06 PM

CAN WE DO IT

YES WICCAN

Dave Rywall on October 6, 2010 at 6:04 PM

I reported you to the Canadian Human Rights Commission for hate speech. You’ll soon be getting a knock on your door … or box.

darwin on October 6, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Jon0815: Heres 2 videos I found of Krauthammer on Angle/
O’Donnell!!
====================

Weird. Krauthammer Attacks Sharron Angle & Christine O’Donnell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D60rxApZRs
===========================================
===========================================

Krauthammer: I Didn’t Hammer Christine O’Donnell But Republicans Threw Away a Seat in Delaware”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3C3YbLN4Og&feature=related

CK does not “trash” COD in either of those videos.

Jon0815 on October 6, 2010 at 6:06 PM

In 1994, Fairleigh Dickinson University sued Christine O’Donnell, but I am sure that wouldn’t influence them either.

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 5:10 PM

So, it is your contention that FDU is deliberately undermining the Senate candidacy of one of their own alums?

Clearly the “true conservative” movement has some growing up to do.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Remind me to drive around Delaware next time I go north.

darwin on October 6, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Believe me when I tell you it is not a task easily done.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:09 PM

Oh please. You’re saying Castles refusal to endorse and the back stabbing of Rove and Krauthammer had no impact?
Is that what you’re saying?
darwin on October 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Yes. I’m saying that as a candidate who has routinely trailed her opponent by double digits, the non-endorsement of the “establishment RINOs” is statistically insignificant. They could have wrote psalms for her, it still wouldn’t have put her within striking distance of Coons.

Vyce on October 6, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Again, I guess I was wrong.

29Victor on October 6, 2010 at 5:46 PM

I agree, you were wrong…

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:10 PM

only 68% of Republicans say that they will vote for O’Donnell

The rest are worthless RINO scum.

SirGawain on October 6, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Gee, maybe you can get the O’Donnell campaign to put that into their next ad buy.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:13 PM

portlandon on October 6, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Well stated…along with Castle little hissy fit. They should have taken Castle to task for not swallowing his delicate pride, and support the winner.

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:13 PM

The primary was September 14.

The UD poll was taken September 17-September 30. They didn’t release it until today but the data collecting ended a week ago already and well before the ad, which went online Monday and I believe on the air today.

The FDU poll was from September 27-October 3, also concluded before the ad came out.

Both polls include days of Castle not having ruled out a write-in campaign. DU, almost the whole polling period, FDU at least two days.

KittyLowrey on October 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Krauthammer: I Didn’t Hammer Christine O’Donnell But Republicans Threw Away a Seat in Delaware”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3C3YbLN4Og&feature=related
CK does not “trash” COD in either of those videos.

Jon0815 on October 6, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Jon0815: I don’t have a dog in the fight,just the linkys,
try’n to help!:)

canopfor on October 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM

So, it is your contention that FDU is deliberately undermining the Senate candidacy of one of their own alums?

Clearly the “true conservative” movement has some growing up to do.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Gosh, you’re a genius. I guess Yale and Harvard wouldn’t have a cross word to say about George Bush, right? They wouldn’t want to undermine him would they?

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Yes. I’m saying that as a candidate who has routinely trailed her opponent by double digits, the non-endorsement of the “establishment RINOs” is statistically insignificant. They could have wrote psalms for her, it still wouldn’t have put her within striking distance of Coons.

Vyce on October 6, 2010 at 6:10 PM

You couldn’t be any more wrong.

darwin on October 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM

It will be a miracle if she would’ve won anyway. She’s run b4, it’s a liberal state, they kept ‘re-electing Biden and Castle 4 ever.

That nearly 2-1 pro-choice # is STAGGERINGLY out of the mainstream in polls nationally I’ve seen. Is Eugenics-Darwin-Sanger University in Dover?

PappyD61 on October 6, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Dear Lord. Do you guys want the Republican nominee to win or would you rather just kvetch that the Delaware Republican voters decided that O’Donnell was who they wanted instead of Castle? Stop looking back. Somebody might be gaining on you.

kingsjester on October 6, 2010 at 6:18 PM

I was told by the true cons that deep-blue Delaware would fall in love with her ideological conservative schtick.

Vyce on October 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM

They lied to you.

I know. It hurts. It cuts just like a razor.

Just remember it the next time a “true conservative” tells you they have a deal for you that sounds too good to be true.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Gosh, you’re a genius. I guess Yale and Harvard wouldn’t have a cross word to say about George Bush, right? They wouldn’t want to undermine him would they?

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Yale and Harvard can’t say a word. They’re corporate entities, without mouths, lips or lungs.

but please, take us down the rabbit hole. Explain to us who exactly at FDU made what calls to an otherwise independent research center to get them to rig their poll.

This should be good.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:21 PM

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM

With any pride, johngalt would hide the rest of the evening…but then maybe he had a HOP that you wouldn’t read what he posted, or maybe he should have had a CHANGE in his post.

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:22 PM

HOP…HOPE

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:22 PM

CASTLE endorses COONS in 5…..4…….3….(he has by his silence).

ROVE endorses COONS (oh Karl did that already by his constant stream of negs).

Thanks Karl…..you so awesum!!!

PappyD61 on October 6, 2010 at 6:23 PM

I don’t trust this poll. Looking at the internals, it appears O’Donnell does quite well in New Castle County (Coons territory) but worse than expected in her home base (southern Delaware). She won the primary against Castle in southern Delaware by a landslide.

Norwegian on October 6, 2010 at 6:24 PM

This should be good.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:21 PM

You don’t get it (well you do but you figure if you attack no one will notice)…she was attacking your premise as being weak, wrong, by giving you an example to show that your theory was wrong…you see….oh, never mind, it is too embarrassing to try to explain a simple concept to you…
Keep posting you are F’in brilliant…

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:25 PM

With any pride, johngalt would hide the rest of the evening…but then maybe he had a HOP that you wouldn’t read what he posted, or maybe he should have had a CHANGE in his post.

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:22 PM

He was one of the idiots calling Christine O’Donnell a whore and a prostitute so my concern for his childish antics is fairly low.

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 6:25 PM

CAN WE DO IT

YES WICCAN

Dave Rywall on October 6, 2010 at 6:04 PM

ok, that is funny even though you are a troll

windansea on October 6, 2010 at 6:26 PM

You don’t get it (well you do but you figure if you attack no one will notice)…she was attacking your premise as being weak, wrong, by giving you an example to show that your theory was wrong…you see….oh, never mind, it is too embarrassing to try to explain a simple concept to you…
Keep posting you are F’in brilliant…

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:25 PM

That would be a HE.

And yeah, what’s the point? He’s an idiot and nothing we say will change that.

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Dude, bite me. You don’t know a thing about me. Where do you get off calling me a “moderate?” I’m a “moderate” because I want Republicans to control the Senate? You’re an idiot because you don’t.
.

29Victor on October 6, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Actually, where I come from, they’re not called “idiots”.

They’re called “Democrats”.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Yes. I’m saying that as a candidate who has routinely trailed her opponent by double digits, the non-endorsement of the “establishment RINOs” is statistically insignificant. They could have wrote psalms for her, it still wouldn’t have put her within striking distance of Coons.

Vyce on October 6, 2010 at 6:10 PM

I want some of what you’re smoking. Did you see the cross-tabs? She has very weak support among Republicans. If she had better support among Republicans, she would be at least within striking distance in this race.

Now, why would she be having problems with Republicans? Maybe, gee…I don’t know…because 2 major conservative “pundits” trashed her for days and told everyone what a mistake it was to nominate her and how she couldn’t win?

Way to raise some enthusiasm and GOTV guys.

Chris of Rights on October 6, 2010 at 6:34 PM

I’d vote for O’Donnell if I lived in Delaware. Instead, I get to vote for Kirk in Illinois… meh.

The DC talking heads do not trash him the way they trash O’Donnell but he is hardly the perfect Conservative candidate, either… meh.

Let’s just get everyone to the polls to vote in November. I don’t care if you vote for someone or if you hold your nose vote for whoever might be a speedbump to the Democrats’ agenda, just vote.

Fallon on October 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM

Here’s an idea. Maybe it was you “True Conservatives™“ refusing to back McCain that put Oabma into office. How ’bout that?

29Victor on October 6, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Here’s another idea. Why don’t the moderates form their own party and show us how they can win elections? All the moderates ever seem to do is b1tch and moan about True Conservatives(tm) anyway. I’d bet that just about the only steady support McCain got in the 2008 came from True Conservatives(tm). The moderates were too busy b1tching about Palin’s interview with Couric, and they haven’t stopped since.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 6:37 PM

And yeah, what’s the point? He’s an idiot and nothing we say will change that.

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 6:27 PM

So, can I assume from this that you, in fact, can’t tell us exactly how FDU, as a corporate entity, used its influence to rig a poll done by what is a well-known and reasonably well-respected polling outfit?

That’s what I thought.

So, let’s try a little thought experiment…

Let us say that FDU did a poll that, instead of being hopelessly down, showed COD within striking distance. Then let us further assume that the professional/amateur Left carried the meme “Oh, they’re just looking out for their alums”. What would you say about such a meme?

Me, I’d say exactly what I’m saying to you… quit your whining. It’s unbecoming, and makes you look other than serious.

Other than internals, polling is neutral. It’s done by people who want to be proven right, because that’s what gets people to believe their polls. For us to blindly accept results we like, and blindly reject results we don’t like, is childish.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:37 PM

or is it whomever… meh.

Fallon on October 6, 2010 at 6:38 PM

She needs to embrace the witch thing.

Magic is a foot in Delaware.
Something Wiccan this way come.
Bewitching Liberals for the next 6 years.
Save the planet, ride a broom.

WoosterOh on October 6, 2010 at 6:40 PM

That would be a HE.

And yeah, what’s the point? He’s an idiot and nothing we say will change that.

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 6:27 PM

There has to be an internet nomenclature that is neither he or she…one cannot tell with the monikers.

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:41 PM

You couldn’t be any more wrong.

darwin on October 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM

thats why you’re here and Rove and Kraut are primetime opionators

buck up

windansea on October 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM

Is anyone here actually a registered voter in Delaware?

Fallon on October 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM

For us to blindly accept results we like, and blindly reject results we don’t like, is childish.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:37 PM

How about this…seeing as you have already made up your mind, you not post since we know what you are going to say.
Did you already, and really call her a whore and prostitute?
Gee, such strong words…you must really be turned on by her…did you type those words with just one hand?
If so, I think it really doesn’t matter what you think, since you have explicitly stated where you stand.

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:45 PM

It looks to me like O’Donnell jumped on the grenade for the rest of the Tea Party and alternate candidates that are storming the incumbents. While not the first out of the gate, definatly the most vulnerable up front, she has taken the brunt of the D’s negative campaigning and steam, obviously damaging her campaign, but stealing alot of the early Dem’s damage as well that could easily have spread to other races doing far more damage to them than they currently are.

Koa on October 6, 2010 at 6:45 PM

All the moderates ever seem to do is b1tch and moan about True Conservatives(tm) anyway.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Absolute nonsense.

I don’t remember the “moderates” around here (like there are really any moderates here) complaining about Palin and DeMint backing O’Donnell, other than to say they thought they were making a mistake (which I still think they did). Everyone clearly recognized their right to do so, and I can’t remember an instance where someone said they would hold it against them politically.

But, boy! Do I remember the “true conservatives” pitching a b*tch fit when Palin endorsed McCain. How many people said “She’s dead to me!” over that one?

You got your Delaware RINO head on the wall. Congratulations. And she’s down 17 points, just about what she was before the primary. Are you surprised?

We took points off of the board, something that you should never do, especially when talking about the US Senate. If you expect the feelings to just disappear over that one, you sir have another thing coming.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:49 PM

thats why you’re here and Rove and Kraut are primetime opionators

buck up

windansea on October 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM

I’m here and they’re “primetime opionators” because they know how to savage one of their own?

Buck up for what?

darwin on October 6, 2010 at 6:50 PM

4 weeks out, this will close a lot. People, even in Delaware aren’t stupid and I doubt that they’re going to vote for status quo when the status quo is so bad.

Mojave Mark on October 6, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Did you already, and really call her a whore and prostitute?

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Well, that’s the rumor.

/O’Donnell operative

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:50 PM

He made the decision to, accurately, point out she’s a flawed candidate who is likely going to lose.

What candidate ISN’T flawed in some way to some constituency?

And he is, of course, being proven right.

What people are arguing here re Krauty and Rove is that their protestations have the effect of becoming self-fulfilling prophecies.

But certain people want to drink koolaid, not truth serum.

Vyce on October 6, 2010

The bulk of commenters at HotAir before the primary engaged in a very serious debate about whether to nominate the Liberal Republican that had an, allegedly, better chance at winning the seat and HOPEFULLY gain control of the Senate. Or, vote on Conservative principles for someone who had less chance to win.

The primary was held and the latter won.

Then, pouting people like you and Krauty and Rove heaped bales full of scorn upon the nominee instead of supporting the nominee. Of course, if Castle had won you, and the others, would have expected all the Conservatives to fall in line behind the nominee. And you know what, we all would have…dutifully but maybe with our noses plugged.

The proper response for you and Krauty and Rove would have been to support the nominee…if you had she might be a lot closer in the polls now.

JonPrichard on October 6, 2010 at 6:52 PM

If you expect the feelings to just disappear over that one, you sir have another thing coming.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:49 PM

No, I don’t expect feelings to just disappear. I don’t want them to disappear. I always want to remember the feeling of having Republicans on FoxNews trashing the just selected Republican candidate for Delaware.

darwin on October 6, 2010 at 6:52 PM

There has to be an internet nomenclature that is neither he or she…one cannot tell with the monikers.

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:41 PM

That wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Waste of time with JG23. “Never wrestle with a pig—you get dirty and the pig likes it”

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 6:55 PM

We took points off of the board, something that you should never do, especially when talking about the US Senate. If you expect the feelings to just disappear over that one, you sir have another thing coming.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010

I disagree with nearly all of your logic on this issue but most particularly I vehemently disagree that Mike Castle represented ‘points on the board’ for Republicans, let alone Conservatives.

JonPrichard on October 6, 2010 at 6:56 PM

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:49 PM

You seem to think that all races, time, place, people, are the same.
You compare Palin/McCain, Palin/O’Connell, DeMint/O’Connell, as all being the same…what a keen sense of understanding you have.
If people like Krauthammer, Rove, and others hadn’t hopped on the bandwagon and savage her, and if Castle would have “manned up” and endorsed her, the race would be different…but their buddy, their little insider friend got taken to the woodshed, and they whined about it, and had their little hissy fit…people even called her a whore and prostitute (but only the really stupid ones).

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Absolute nonsense.

I don’t remember the “moderates” around here (like there are really any moderates here) complaining about Palin and DeMint backing O’Donnell, other than to say they thought they were making a mistake (which I still think they did). Everyone clearly recognized their right to do so, and I can’t remember an instance where someone said they would hold it against them politically.

ROFL….gimme a break. The moderates everywhere do nothing but b1tch and moan about having to be associated with those icky loser socons or how unelectable Palin is or how stupid she is or how misguided every breath she takes is or how much of a dead end the tea party is blahblahblah ad infinitum.

But, boy! Do I remember the “true conservatives” pitching a b*tch fit when Palin endorsed McCain. How many people said “She’s dead to me!” over that one?

I didn’t. Look it up.

You got your Delaware RINO head on the wall. Congratulations. And she’s down 17 points, just about what she was before the primary. Are you surprised?

Considering the nonstop trashing from both sides — er both parties, it’s a wonder she’s not in single digits.

We took points off of the board, something that you should never do, especially when talking about the US Senate. If you expect the feelings to just disappear over that one, you sir have another thing coming.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Committee chairs in exchange for yet another unreliable Maine Twin-type vote. Big friggin’ whoop. Nothing changes, and that’s exactly why.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Waste of time with JG23. “Never wrestle with a pig—you get dirty and the pig likes it”

sharrukin on October 6, 2010 at 6:55 PM

Good point…anyone who thinks that Csstle was “on board”, doesn’t have much sense or knowledge.

Maybe “shim” would do…as a he/she

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 7:00 PM

How about this…seeing as you have already made up your mind, you not post since we know what you are going to say.

right2bright on October 6, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Made up my mind… about what?

About Farleigh Dickinson’s polling outfit? I made up my mind about them a long time ago. They have a pretty good reputation in the business, and have had one for quite some time.

Or made up my mind about the idea that there are forces within the administration of FDU conspiring to sabotage the campaign of one of their alums who might be elected US Senator (something that would be quite a feather in their cap) by using unstated leverage to lean on a polling unit that has a good reputation for independence and accuracy, over a 16 year old lawsuit that has been settled for some time?

Oh, I’ve made up my mind about that also. I’ve decided that it is most likely the childish rantings of somebody who doesn’t have the sense to know better.

And as far as my not posting… when I see right2bright up on the masthead (if there is even a masthead here), then maybe I’ll consider such a suggestion.

Until then… quit your whining.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Think of this election as a trial run for Palin 2012. If O’Donnell can’t come close to a self-described Marxist in this environment, then Palin will not do much better if she runs. Like it or not, it’s almost impossible to win when the entire media complex has turned you into a joke.

pearson on October 6, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Bovine scatology, Pearson.

O’Donnell’s situation has squat to do with Palin’s:

There are actual rural areas and conservative parts of the general USA. Delaware is a city on steroids.

Palin has had time to introduce herself to the general American electorate, and the effort has been put forth to prove the accusations against her to be BS. Nobody was taking O’Donnell seriously until weeks before the very late primary.

Palin in 2012 would be up against an incumbent who has fornicated with the canine one too many times—a situation the brought the rise of Chris Christie and Rudy Giuliani in even the bluest of blue states. Coons is not an incumbent who has angered Delaware voters enough.

Sekhmet on October 6, 2010 at 7:08 PM

CAN WE DO IT

YES WICCAN

Dave Rywall on October 6, 2010 at 6:04 PM

I wish I’d have thought of that one. Oh the Photoshop opportunities…

Dark-Star on October 6, 2010 at 7:10 PM

Maybe y’all just like b1tching. Maybe you just like looking down on all of us from your high horses and telling us what we’re doing wrong without actually doing anything to help us fix things.

29Victor on October 6, 2010 at 6:00 PM

If it weren’t for the True Conservatives ™ , you’d probably be looking at trying to squeeze out a net gain of 10 seats this cycle. Moderates do nothing but benefit from conservative legwork and muscle and then somehow imagine that every victory belongs to them.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 7:12 PM

Mike Castle represented ‘points on the board’ for Republicans, let alone Conservatives.

JonPrichard on October 6, 2010 at 6:56 PM

whether Mike Castle represented points on the board for conservatives is arguable.

That he represented points on the board for the GOP isn’t. It’s a tautology. He was running under the GOP banner, and would have one, easily.

And the “true conservatives”, in their wisdom, pi*sed it away.

Well done. I’m sure that Obama’s next SCOTUS nominee thanks you.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:14 PM

whether Mike Castle represented points on the board for conservatives is arguable.

That he represented points on the board for the GOP isn’t. It’s a tautology. He was running under the GOP banner, and would have one, easily.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:14 PM

There’s your error: GOP doesn’t equal conservative. Those True Conservatives ™ don’t give a rat’s anus about your blessed party labels.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Well done. I’m sure that Obama’s next SCOTUS nominee thanks you.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:14 PM

You mean the one Castle would’ve voted for. What a radical change.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:14 PM

Would have won that is.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM

There’s your error: GOP doesn’t equal conservative. Those True Conservatives ™ don’t give a rat’s anus about your blessed party labels.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 7:16 PM

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what I said.

But it does equal points on the board for the GOP. Once again, it’s a tautology.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:19 PM

You mean the one Castle would’ve voted for. What a radical change.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM

There may be a question about how Castle would have voted on him/her, whomever they were.

But that’s more of a question than we will have with Sen. Coons.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:21 PM

No, I don’t expect feelings to just disappear. I don’t want them to disappear. I always want to remember the feeling of having Republicans on FoxNews trashing the just selected Republican candidate for Delaware.

darwin on October 6, 2010 at 6:52 PM

Me neither, and I won’t…

lovingmyUSA on October 6, 2010 at 7:21 PM

Here’s an idea. Maybe it was you “True Conservatives™“ refusing to back McCain that put Oabma into office.

Your kidding right?

The choice between Obama and McCain was a no brainer, even if John is a squish.

Personally, I have no further use for the GOP long view some folks have been bandying about. It has got us NOTHING and we end up with dem-lite canidates who vote with the dems 90% of the time.

The Republicain brand has been damaged by the RINO’s

We need people who are for smaller, limited government and lower taxes! It is a winning hand everytime.

Back when Ronnie was in office there was a great slogan that I thought summed things up well.

“Were the Republican party, you made the money we think you should keep it. You know how to spend it better than we do”

gdonovan on October 6, 2010 at 7:29 PM

This gives “true moderates” everywhere election erect-ions.

carbon_footprint on October 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM

whether Mike Castle represented points on the board for conservatives is arguable.

That he represented points on the board for the GOP isn’t. It’s a tautology. He was running under the GOP banner, and would have one, easily.

And the “true conservatives”, in their wisdom, pi*sed it away.

Well done. I’m sure that Obama’s next SCOTUS nominee thanks you.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010

No. Its not tautological. Castle is a very Liberal person in his ideology and voting actions. Many things he voted for in the past were certainly against the Republican grain and against Republican interests. So its not an absolute truth that Castle is good at all for the Republican Party.

As for pi**ing the race away – well, if the RINO’s didn’t whine and moan and got on board directly after COD won the nomination then the numbers would look different today. Instead of hammering against her during her acceptance speech for goodness sakes, they should have stepped up to the plate or just shut up.

As for the assertion that Castle would win in November, no doubt, well that was just conventional wisdom and probably not true…he couldn’t even win the nomination. Probably wasn’t near as strong as you and others thought.

I think Castle represented taking major points OFF the board in the long run.

JonPrichard on October 6, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Why on earth would anyone spend good money to survey a sample as broad as that at this point in the campaign?

Rhetorical question, right?

SouthernGent on October 6, 2010 at 7:43 PM

O/T to all those in the tri-state area… Roy Halladay just pitched a no-no for the Fightin’ Phils.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:45 PM

There’s your error: GOP doesn’t equal conservative. Those True Conservatives ™ don’t give a rat’s anus about your blessed party labels.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 7:16 PM

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what I said.

But it does equal points on the board for the GOP. Once again, it’s a tautology.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:19 PM

I’m pretty sure it’s not a concept you fully grasp. Those who are tired of Dem Lite couldn’t care less about that holy GOP party label and packing the Senate with any sort of liberal vote so long as there’s an R after the name.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 7:51 PM

No, I don’t expect feelings to just disappear. I don’t want them to disappear. I always want to remember the feeling of having Republicans on FoxNews trashing the just selected Republican candidate for Delaware.

darwin on October 6, 2010 at 6:52 PM

poor thing

next time nominate someone with some actual accomplishments instead of a lightweight CON artist

windansea on October 6, 2010 at 7:52 PM

poor thing

next time nominate someone with some actual accomplishments instead of a lightweight CON artist

windansea on October 6, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Actual accomplishments, like Mike Castle had. Getting elected for 40 years to some office or other. LOL Impressive.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Pray tell, what will that lesson be?

The lesson will be: Republican voters don’t want RINOs, so you better think twice about voting with the Dems half the time if you don’t want to be defeated in your primary. Real complicated.

Think Castle is now regretting some of those times he voted with the Dems? You betcha he is.

Missy on October 6, 2010 at 7:56 PM

JonPrichard on October 6, 2010 at 7:40 PM

No. Its not tautological.

Uh… yeah, it is. He was running as a Republican, would caucus with the Republicans, and would vote for Republicans for committee assignments. He voted for Newt Gingrich, Dennis Hastert, and John Boehner for SOTH. On party votes, he was a check in our column.

There aren’t may options in Congress; you’re either an R or a D, or an indy who caucuses with one or the other. Thus, it isn’t tough to figure out which are points for the Republicans, and which are points for the Dems.

And the “true conservatives” have, in effect, succeeded in putting up points for the Dems.

Congratulations.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:56 PM

I’m pretty sure it’s not a concept you fully grasp. Those who are tired of Dem Lite couldn’t care less about that holy GOP party label and packing the Senate with any sort of liberal vote so long as there’s an R after the name.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Oh trust me, I grasp it in full.

I recognize it as a one-way ticket to political Palookaville, near-term gains notwithstanding.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 8:00 PM

And the “true conservatives” have, in effect, succeeded in putting up points for the Dems.

Congratulations.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 7:56 PM

The seat was already held by a Democrat, and putting any more True Squishes wouldn’t be much of a change.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 8:01 PM

Actual accomplishments, like Mike Castle had. Getting elected for 40 years to some office or other. LOL Impressive.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Like Obama saying that he had executive experience because he ran his presidential campaign.

Missy on October 6, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Oh trust me, I grasp it in full.

I recognize it as a one-way ticket to political Palookaville, near-term gains notwithstanding.

JohnGalt23 on October 6, 2010 at 8:00 PM

No, YOUR way is the way to Bob Michel Lovable (But Reasonable) Loser Palookaville. The GOP was there for decades.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 8:03 PM

I’m no fan of the “true conservative” litmus test, but a person running under the Republican brand ought not be a liberal, as Mike Castle is. I’d rather see O’Donnell lose to the democrat, than Castle win and the hand Obama the victory of “bipartisanship” every time he votes with the democrats. One GOP vote for a contentious bill makes the media swoon about bipartisanship. I would argue that the only reason the health care bill continues to be hugely unpopular — and thus has at least a chance of repeal or significant overhaul — is because not a single Republican voted for it. It is the democrat health care bill, and voters don’t like that. Mike Castle held out too much promise to vote with the democrats and be their very, very useful idiot. As such, he’d have been of no use to Republican voters. Better the dem’s useful idiot be the bearded Marxist.

Rational Thought on October 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM

The lesson will be: Republican voters don’t want RINOs, so you better think twice about voting with the Dems half the time if you don’t want to be defeated in your primary. Real complicated.

Think Castle is now regretting some of those times he voted with the Dems? You betcha he is.

Missy on October 6, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Except, as I’ve already explained, in some areas of the country – Delaware being one of them – the voters as a whole – NOT Republican PRIMARY voters, who the “true cons” seem to think are somehow representative of the entire voting public of the area – actually WANT the moderate “RINOs”. Failing that, maybe they’ll take the Dem, since they generally lean left anyway. The idealogical conservative? They’ll pass.

This is the point I was trying to make.

Look, despite the fluctuations in voter registries, the weight the voting public breaks down is that you’re always going to get a core base for both Democrats & Republicans. Within that core, of course, you’ll have a split between the moderate wing, and the ideological wing. The idealogues demand purity in their nominee; the moderates will usually go along with the nominee, unless there’s something that they find particular flawed about them (these are the sort who will get depressed and just not vote, if they find their candidate too disagreeable). In the middle, though, are a huge bloc of independent voters, and they’re the ones ultimately who decide elections, because either Republicans or Democrats manage to peel away enough of these voters to win. They’re often more centrist, and possibly populist, and while they’re not uniform, they do often tend to lean towards one party over the other based on some more concrete factors (geography being one – urban areas are more liberal, for example), and more random factors (the Connecticut race is close, for example, because Blumenthal’s negative baggage is costing him some of these voters).

What COD supporters are doing, is presenting the Delaware public with an ideologically conservative candidate, and expecting the general public to elect her, when 1) she’s got lots and logs of baggage (which depresses the moderate GOP voters, as we’re seeing), and 2) the independent population there is more liberal and isn’t inclined to vote for a GOP candidate who isn’t, well, what you would consider a “RINO”.

So she’s likely going to lose, probably badly, and you know what “lesson” the GOP is going to learn from this? That in areas like Delaware, they need to make SURE that the moderate RINO-squish wins the primary next time, because that’s the only way to win there. And they’d be right.

Vyce on October 6, 2010 at 8:19 PM

“Typically, Republicans are more loyal to their party than Democrats,” said Dan Cassino, professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson University and survey analyst for the university’s PublicMind research group. “This hesitation by Republicans is hurting O’Donnell.”

Say ‘thanks’ to Rove/Krauthammer/et al.

Midas on October 6, 2010 at 8:21 PM

We had a similar incident in 2008 in a special election for Denny Hastert’s seat. Two Republicans fought like the gingham dog and the calico cat. We ended up with a Democrat, Bill Foster winning the special election as half of the Republicans sat it out rather than vote for the primary winner.

I am now represented *cough* by a Democrat even though the district tilts strongly right. His office blows off phone calls and input on various issues as he votes, with Union backing, for whatever Pelosi tells him to…

Word to Republicans in Delaware. If the Republicans do not take back the House, you will feel the frustration and anger of having someone not representing you in Congress.

It will feel much worse than holding your nose and voting for someone you think is a lightweight or whatever your problem is with O’Donnell.

For G-d’s sake, see what is at play here…

“Next morning, where the two had sat
They found no trace of dog or cat…”

Fallon on October 6, 2010 at 8:30 PM

I was told by the true cons that deep-blue Delaware would fall in love with her ideologiotical conservative schtick.

Myce on October 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM

cableguy615 on October 6, 2010 at 8:35 PM

The RINOblicans are rubbing their hands together in barely disguised glee, just waiting for the chance to scream “Told ya SO!” and win a few useless bragging points.

Bishop on October 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM

I don’t care about this woman anymore. It’s time to focus money on the good crop of Republican challengers who don’t sue their own ideological foundations.

AshleyTKing on October 6, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Within that core, of course, you’ll have a split between the moderate wing, and the ideological wing.

Vyce on October 6, 2010

There is a fundamental flaw in your argument. If you cast a gaze at the voting patterns of Democrats you see a Liberal orthodoxy and a PROFESSED Moderate wing. In voting practice though you see basically lockstep Liberal orthodoxy – down the line – Heathcare, Cap and Trade, Card Check, whatever.

If you look at Republicans you see three types, a Conservative orthodoxy (such as Jim DeMint), a truly Moderate wing (Orrin Hatch and maybe Lindsey Graham) and then there is a Liberal wing, usually referred to as Moderate but very Liberal (Mike Castle is just that as is Arlen Specter and some others).

That last group is a PARTY KILLER for Republicans. Voting them in means moving THE PARTY toward Liberal orthodoxy, not just individual members.

JonPrichard on October 6, 2010 at 8:43 PM

Allah is the happiest rino on the planet.

The Notorious G.O.P on October 6, 2010 at 8:45 PM

The idealogues demand purity in their nominee; the moderates will usually go along with the nominee, unless there’s something that they find particular flawed about them (these are the sort who will get depressed and just not vote, if they find their candidate too disagreeable).

Vyce on October 6, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Oh, what a crock. This cycle alone puts the lie to that nonsense. A few squishes get voted out of primaries and the screeching from moderates has been nonstop. It’s conservatives who usually have to fall in line, hold their noses and vote for moderates. The ’08 election also contradicts that. There was undending carping about Palin and how she brought down McCain, while a good many of those moderates hightailed it over to vote for Obama.

ddrintn on October 6, 2010 at 8:57 PM

I don’t care about this woman anymore. It’s time to focus money on the good crop of Republican challengers who don’t sue their own ideological foundations.

AshleyTKing on October 6, 2010 at 8:42 PM

yep, Christine is a phonycon, talks the talk but unable to walk in a straight line, unable to pay bills and taxes but good at creating phony educational profiles, call opponents gay, and eager to sue conservative organizations for millions because she can’t pay her rent

sorry Palinbots, Mama grizzly just screwed the pooch with this endorsement

windansea on October 6, 2010 at 8:57 PM

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