Hispanic voters drifting back to the GOP

posted at 10:12 am on October 1, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Democrats have tried wooing Hispanic voters all year long, and thought they had a golden opportunity in April when Arizona passed a tough immigration-enforcement law.  Barack Obama leaped at the chance to hammer Republicans on immigration reform, spending more time in April and May talking about Arizona’s law than he did about the Gulf oil-spill crisis.  Handwringers in the GOP moaned that Arizona would make it more difficult to attract Hispanic voters whose inclination towards free market economics and pro-life sensibilities would make them a natural constituency for Republicans, or at the least a competitive one.

Surprise!

Hispanic voters’ support for Democratic candidates waned in August and September. As a result, Hispanics in September favored Democrats by a 13-point margin (51% to 38%), compared with 32-point margins in June and July. …

Hispanics present a different problem for the president’s party. While they voted strongly for Obama in 2008 and were supposed to be one of the building blocks of Democratic victory in 2010, Gallup’s recent polling suggests their support for Democratic congressional candidates is slipping. This is in line withHispanics’ dwindling approval of Obama as president, with the initial decline seen in May possibly linked to the Democrats’ failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

Well, that’s certainly one narrative, but not one that makes much sense.  Republicans mainly held firm in their support for Arizona’s new law, and for good reason; it’s been tremendously popular in almost every state.  Obama stopped talking about it during the summer after it became clear that he had lost his grip on the issue, and that people cared more about the economy than anything else.

That includes Hispanic voters.  Gallup assumes that immigration reform is the only issue that matters to Hispanics, but that’s not just ridiculous, it’s also more than a little condescending.  Hispanic voters, like everyone else, have to make a living and pay their bills.  While immigration reform might be more important to them as a bloc than it is to other voting blocs, it seems not to have crossed Gallup’s mind that immigration reform doesn’t impact them directly — since, as voters, they’re already here, most of them by birth.  As the economy soured over the summer, the benefit of the doubt given by these voters dissipated at the same time.

Certainly Obama promised a renewed effort on immigration reform, but he promised it in the fall of last year as something he would address after ObamaCare.  That bill passed in March.  If the disillusionment seen in these numbers resulted from a lack of attention to immigration reform, the erosion would have taken place in April or May, especially since Obama and Congressional Democrats had a perfect opportunity to launch the effort.  And if they have moved away from Democrats on the basis of that failure, they certainly wouldn’t be moving towards Republicans, who want border and visa enforcement and a harder line on illegal immigrants.

The only explanation of the move towards the GOP is the economy and the Recovery Summer bust, which appears to have been the last straw with Hispanic voters.  They want competence and fiscal responsibility, just like most other American voters.


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My highly complex polling analysis data machine tells me that
Hispanics want jobs too!

Lockstein13 on October 1, 2010 at 10:16 AM

It’s over obama

Sonosam on October 1, 2010 at 10:17 AM

The GOP should take their votes, but give them nothing in return that they wouldn’t get if they were any other creed or race. Let’s not become another democrat party, selling favors to special interest groups to get votes.

keep the change on October 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Could be that a large number of hispanics are small bidness owners and see the abusive Obamacare and tax rates going back to pre Bush tax cuts rates as being not so attractive. Hence, a slide in support for Dems by them.

Of course, this makes them racists or something.

44Magnum on October 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM

It’ll help that the GOP will have new faces after November like Marco Rubio and Susana Martinez to reach out to Hispanic voters. And they’ll do it with principled conservatism, not race-baiting or demands for amnesty and open borders.

Doughboy on October 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Can’t stop at the flowery obami parts of the commie bush

you must chop it to the ground then yank the roots

Sonosam on October 1, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Most hispanics actually do want to work. They aren’t looking for handouts.

They know that Democrats are killing the economy.

Axelrod was just yesterday saying how wonderful abortion is.

Do Democrats realize that most Hispanics are Catholics?

NoDonkey on October 1, 2010 at 10:19 AM

But, but, didn’t you read today’s headlines? Tarp was a success, and cost less than expected. At least the report issued by the WHITE HOUSE says so. Hispanics just don’t understand how good the economy really is… s/

sandee on October 1, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Stick to principles. It is a long term winner.

Saltysam on October 1, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Dirty, racist, taco eating, black president haters!!! All of them!!!

abobo on October 1, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Obama needs to push amnesty-Gallup

artist on October 1, 2010 at 10:22 AM

…the initial decline seen in May possibly linked to the Democrats’ failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

When a pollster starts to spin, they lose credibility.

Vashta.Nerada on October 1, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Re: the immigration meme. More than a little condescending is more than a little correct. Why do Dems think legal, law abiding Hispanics would be so in favor of letting a flood of illegal, often criminal, Hispanics into the country? Oh, that’s right. A Hispanic is nothing more than the brown skin you see. Not a human being with actual hopes, and dreams. Vote Republican, my brothers, and sisters, and you’ll get a chance to live your life in the freedom you’re entitled to.

teacherman on October 1, 2010 at 10:22 AM

It’ll help that the GOP will have new faces after November like Marco Rubio and Susana Martinez to reach out to Hispanic voters. And they’ll do it with principled conservatism, not race-baiting or demands for amnesty and open borders.

Doughboy on October 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM

100%

Lourdes on October 1, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Keep the change, tell that to mccain and graham

cmsinaz on October 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Imagine that…

…Americans that won’t be pigeonholed by the race baiters.

What a concept.

Saltysam on October 1, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Gallup assumes that immigration reform is the only issue that matters to Hispanics, but that’s not just ridiculous, it’s also more than a little condescending.

Ridiculous and condescending= Liberal “elitism”, amigo.

RepubChica on October 1, 2010 at 10:31 AM

since, as voters, they’re already here, most of them by birth.

And the rest emigrated, um what’s that word, oh yes, legally. Why would someone who followed the rules support someone who not merely ignored but intentionally violated the rules.

rbj on October 1, 2010 at 10:31 AM

b.b.b.but Obama “hung out with Chicanos” so he didn’t “look like a sellout”….so, I don’t understand how on earth any person of Hispanic origin could ever be a Republican??

/obama-red

ted c on October 1, 2010 at 10:32 AM

I’m sure the Democrats figured that what worked to keep Blacks in their corner would also keep Hispanics there.

Pandering works only so much before people realize they’ve been used.

GarandFan on October 1, 2010 at 10:34 AM

BTW; Jake tapper is reporting that Rahm was given a dead fish at his send off this morning.

ted c on October 1, 2010 at 10:34 AM

duh, I meant “obama-reid”

ted c on October 1, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Ed,

Their move to the GOP also could be from the discussion about immigration that has taken place over the past few months. It could be Hispanics actually got to hear the GOP’s case. Unlike what the Democrats have been telling them, them may have realized the GOP was not anti-Hispanic just pro-security.

ordi on October 1, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Democrats really hate it when people stray from the plantation.

I’m sure some liberal Congressman or pundit will soon spin this by saying “hispanics are just uninformed … if they only understood what we’re trying to do they’d love us!”

darwin on October 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Which Hispanics are supposed to support Democrats and base their votes solely on immigration issues? Second generation Cubans? Seventh generation Tejanos or those of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican Republic; Central American: Costa Rican, Guatemalan, Honduran, Nicaraguan, Panamanian, Salvadoran, Other Central American; South American: Argentinian, Bolivian, Chilean, Colombian, Ecuadorian, Paraguayan, Peruvian, Uruguayan, Venezuelan, Other South American; Other Hispanic or Latino: Spaniard, Spanish, Spanish American, All other Hispanic descent?

While it’s true that the overwhelming majority of
“Hispanics” in the US have Mexican origins, even they are not monolithic. Living in Texas, one quickly becomes aware how many “Mexicans” are Texans whose families have lived in the region long before people from the Eastern US moved in or how many “white” people are Mexican. I have “Hispanic” friends whose families trace back to France, Germany, and Italy, as well as the countries generally considered Latin.

It’s illogical to assume that all have the same values and priorities and vote in lockstep. One does not assume that all persons of European ancestry are the same.

obladioblada on October 1, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Imagine that, an ethnic group cares about the rule of law. Whoda thunkit?

frode on October 1, 2010 at 10:41 AM

It’ll help that the GOP will have new faces after November like Marco Rubio and Susana Martinez to reach out to Hispanic voters. And they’ll do it with principled conservatism, not race-baiting or demands for amnesty and open borders.

Doughboy on October 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM

So can anyone appeal to Hispanics’ belief in principled conservatism or do you have to be Hispanic? If it’s nothing to do with race, whither Rubio and Martinez?

aengus on October 1, 2010 at 10:41 AM

One does not assume that all persons of European ancestry are the same.

The catch-all word ‘white’, which is in wide usage, suggests that they are.

aengus on October 1, 2010 at 10:42 AM

New arrived Latino immigrants take jobs from Latinos already in the US as well as driving down the potential hourly earning power of all Latinos.

Viator on October 1, 2010 at 10:44 AM

..but..but..but..haven’t they heard about how the evil, scheming Meg Whitman vilely mistreated Nicky Diaz for nine years?

The War Planner on October 1, 2010 at 10:44 AM

¡Viva me!

We Latinos aren’t as gullible as both parties believe. I’ve stood with the GOP for years.

madmonkphotog on October 1, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Am I the only one for whom the president’s approval rating doesn’t make sense? I’ve read a couple of places that his African American support has fallen below 90%, hardly any Republicans approve of the job he’s doing, indies are in the low 30s. If we Hispanics are drifting toward the GOP that means his approval rating in the Latino community is way down from where it was at the election.

So how is he staying in the mid to low 40s. Shouldn’t he be crossing that Rubicon of 39?

lizzie beth on October 1, 2010 at 10:45 AM

..or how Van Tran is leading the Asian hordes from Bolsa and Warner over to Santa Ana to take away Lorretta Sanchez Hispanic seat in Congress?

The War Planner on October 1, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Does this poll include all the illegals who got their voters registration along with their drivers license?

oldleprechaun on October 1, 2010 at 10:47 AM

So how is he staying in the mid to low 40s. Shouldn’t he be crossing that Rubicon of 39?

lizzie beth on October 1, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Lizzie,

The MSM pollstters are packing the samples with anyone who will keep TEH WON’s numbers above the thirties — even sterno bums who they ply with cartons of cigs and bottles of Sneaky Pete.

It’s getting so bad that they will next be polling the WH staff as their sample.

The War Planner on October 1, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Oh, and I should also say, there are a LOT of Hispanics – myself included – who approve of SB1070 and strong border enforcement. Both from a law & order standpoint, anyone that lives in a border state understands the chaos that is spilling over into the country. But also from an exploitation standpoint.

Hispanic opinion on immigration is not monolithic.

lizzie beth on October 1, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Obama stopped talking about it during the summer after it became clear that he had lost his grip on the issue, and that people cared more about the economy than anything else.
That includes Hispanic voters.

Why is it that liberals assume Hispanics will follow this administration, (like sheep), over this cliff of government dependency? Why do they (libs) think Hispanics aren’t concerned with economic uncertainty?

Gallup assumes that immigration reform is the only issue that matters to Hispanics, but that’s not just ridiculous, it’s also more than a little condescending.

“Gallup assumes”……we all know where that can lead us. I wonder if Gallup could define hope and change in 2008?

Rovin on October 1, 2010 at 10:53 AM

The MSM pollstters are packing the samples with anyone who will keep TEH WON’s numbers above the thirties — even sterno bums who they ply with cartons of cigs and bottles of Sneaky Pete.

It’s getting so bad that they will next be polling the WH staff as their sample.

The War Planner on October 1, 2010 at 10:50 AM

I’ve assumed this for a while. I just thought someone like the evol Rasmussen would have him hit the 30s, but he has him at 45 today. His strongly approve is 28, and frankly I don’t see how his number is really much above that. Talk about weighting, and frankly people afraid someone’s going to reach out over the phone and stamp a scarlet R on their heads for not approving of him.

lizzie beth on October 1, 2010 at 10:55 AM

If Barry and Gang are going to exploit immigration and racial/socio-economic divides to further their agenda, perhaps they should ask blacks and rank and file union members about their views on illegal immigration.

obladioblada on October 1, 2010 at 10:56 AM

The only explanation of the move towards the GOP is the economy

No, not the only explanation…
Arizona, and what the Gov is doing is heavily supported by Hispanics.
Most are law abiding, they want to be part of a lawful country…they want borders that are secure.
They are as affected by illegal immigrants, maybe even more so, then anyone else.
Hispanics want law, strong family, and to be left alone by the government…

right2bright on October 1, 2010 at 10:57 AM

I am Hispanic and grew up in an Hispanic community, and knew many people who had come to the USA– legally– from numerous Central and South American countries. I simply cannot imagine that they’d support the left’s idea of immigration reform. The people who come here legally are often after the same jobs that are being handed to illegals (who earn a pittance by comparison). Why would anyone expect them to be in favor of amnesty? Why would they be expected to be against a crackdown on illegal immigration?

Tonus on October 1, 2010 at 10:58 AM

One does not assume that all persons of European ancestry are the same.

The catch-all word ‘white’, which is in wide usage, suggests that they are.

aengus on October 1, 2010 at 10:42 AM

True… isn’t it strange how quick white progressives are to stereotype whites, even after they “Won”? ;)

obladioblada on October 1, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Does Hispanic religiosity have anything to do with it, the left’s wholesale acceptance of abortion being anathema to it?

Or maybe it’s just people of all races, creeds, religions, etc. getting sick and tired of having the ‘rats say that certain groups belong to them.

Bishop on October 1, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Maybe Hispanics are seeing that Republicans “take advantage” of Hispanics by paying them $23.00 an hour, while Democrats take advantage by paying $3.00 an hour.

ndanielson on October 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Wait, so all of those people streaming across the border are in fact NOT undocumented Democrats? Their votes are not reliably to the left? What??

Only one thing for Harry and Nancy to do: Drop the amnesty bill, and put up the fence on our southern border, and start inforcing immigration law. That’ll teach those ingrates.

iurockhead on October 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Rovin, just imagine if they are this desperate during the ’12 campaign…..popcorn for all. :)

cmsinaz on October 1, 2010 at 11:16 AM

I guess it doesn’t occur to these people that if Hispanics had wanted to live in a crime infested area ruled by drug lords they could have stayed where they were. They wanted something different so they came here. They do NOT want the chaos to follow them.

Lily on October 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM

It’ll help that the GOP will have new faces after November like Marco Rubio and Susana Martinez to reach out to Hispanic voters. And they’ll do it with principled conservatism, not race-baiting or demands for amnesty and open borders.

Doughboy on October 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Exactly. We are about to elect two Hispanic Republicans to the house here in Texas. And they are both conservatives. They will probably be the only pick ups this cycle.

If Brian Sandoval and Susana Martinez win their governors races there will start to be a new face on the party. The only pandering that we should be doing is putting forth committed, qualified candidates no matter what they look like.

??????/Rubio 2012

Harpoon on October 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Ed,

Their move to the GOP also could be from the discussion about immigration that has taken place over the past few months. It could be Hispanics actually got to hear the GOP’s case. Unlike what the Democrats have been telling them, them may have realized the GOP was not anti-Hispanic just pro-security.

ordi on October 1, 2010 at 10:37 AM

^This.

Conservatives have been much, much better about making their point than they were a few years ago with that “comprehensive immigration reform bill.” Jose Average doesn’t mind stuff being in Spanish. He DOES mind waiting in an ER for four hours with a broken leg on a Sunday while they cycle out the anchor babies with sniffles.

The Arizona law is brilliant. It has re-framed the debate into a law-and-order issue. Jose Average carries his driver’s license, because he took Driver’s Ed back in Smithtown High School, and Coach Peterson told him it’s the law, no matter who you are. He carries it in his wallet like everybody else. Those who argue that there are whole swathes of legal Hispanics who somehow can’t carry their stinking driver’s license send up his BS flag too.

Sekhmet on October 1, 2010 at 11:27 AM

O/T: Obama’s Race War Continues

Obama says people are impatient but “now’s not the time to quit…it took time to free the slaves…ultimately we’ll make progress.”

They really are getting desperate!

Rovin on October 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM

I think that Obama must have been listening to the Black-Eyed Peas and misunderstood the song “Let’s Get Retarded In Here”.

Hint: It’s NOT about people who ride the short-bus, though they are the ones singing the song.

teke184 on October 1, 2010 at 11:27 AM

After watching the “process” of healthcare reform (insert laugh here), I’m sure many of the Hispanics are seeing that there is very little difference between a Democrat’s tactics and that of any corrupt beaucrat in a Latin dictatorship.

texabama on October 1, 2010 at 11:29 AM

But MSNBC and the media assured us that the Arizona law would deliver Latinos to the Dems for generations and generations yet to come…?

ChrisB on October 1, 2010 at 11:31 AM

In college, I made many good friends, and many of them were of Hispanic or Asian decent, or rather a mix of Caucasian/Asian and Hispanic. The color doesn’t matter. The culture matters. And we all shared the same culture. Respect for work, same sense of humor, family values (well, we were intent on breaking those values as teens in college, but we all eventually came around). This reality is so alien to most elitists of both stripes that they simply can’t imagine how a brown person wouldn’t want more brown people in the USA. They can’t imagine how a white person and brown person could get along, much less stand up for shared values. But, the elitists will soon be forced to see reality as it is.

j_galt on October 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM

I guess it doesn’t occur to these people that if Hispanics had wanted to live in a crime infested area ruled by drug lords they could have stayed where they were. They wanted something different so they came here. They do NOT want the chaos to follow them.

Lily on October 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Exactly. It’s not that hard. I don’t want more white or brown or black criminals in my town, so why would Hispanics want more white or brown or black criminals in their towns? Democratic elitists are seriously, in the true sense of the word, the most racist people I have ever met.

j_galt on October 1, 2010 at 11:37 AM

If Hispanics now prefer the Democrats by “only” 51-38, that makes only 89% who have taken sides. If the other 11% distribute proportionately or don’t vote, that makes 57-43 among those who vote, which is approximately the share of Hispanics George W. Bush got in 2004.

Immigration might be an issue for Hispanic voters who have relatives who are illegal aliens or wanting to come in from Mexico. But Hispanic voters are a very diverse group–many are from Puerto Rico, and are citizens by birth, care nothing about immigration, and they have mixed feelings about statehood for Puerto Rico, which benefits from many tax advantages as a territory. Many Hispanics are Catholic, and some would tend to agree with Republicans on abortion and social issues. Some of them (especially second-generation Hispanics) have successfully integrated American society by learning English, and actually object to Spanish-language instruction in school, rightly claiming that HOLDS BACK their children. Some of them, who jumped through myriad bureaucratic hoops to migrate LEGALLY, would resent their hard-earned citizenship being given away cheaply to those whose only merit was sneaking across a border unnoticed. Some Hispanics have set up small businesses, and might favor Republican tax policies toward business. There are also some Hispanic candidates running as Republicans: Sanchez for Gov. in NM, Sandoval for Gov. in NV, Rubio for Senate in FL.

How can Republicans win Hispanic votes? Treat them like everyone else! Another possible winning issue would be advocacy of school vouchers, enabling residents of poor neighborhoods with failing schools to send their children to private schools, so they can get a good education, and later a good job and escape from poverty. Just a little anecdotal hint: in the mostly-white suburb of West Hartford, CT, public-school enrollment is about 5% Hispanic, but Catholic-school enrollment is about 40% Hispanic, mostly from heavily-Hispanic Hartford. Are their parents trying to tell us something?

Steve Z on October 1, 2010 at 11:43 AM

It’s illogical to assume that all have the same values and priorities and vote in lockstep. One does not assume that all persons of European ancestry are the same.

obladioblada on October 1, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Oh yes, the Left does assume that, and particularly that subset of the Left that is all about blaming white people for everything and anything (Liberation Theology anyone?). Of course I agree it is illogical, and so racist!

perries on October 1, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Perhaps those families that have legally moved here to escape authoritarian governments intruding into every aspect of life and telling you what you can and can’t do, often with a fawning coterie around the leader of said government, aren’t all too sanguine about seeing the exact, same thing they ran away from being set up here.

Voting D for goodies via a race/class divisive system means that, sooner or later, you are creating what you tried to escape. Now that the sugar coating of promises is wearing off under the hard rain of economics, the supposed niceness of a big, authoritarian government getting into every aspect of your life with a nascent cult of personality for the leader is becoming a wake-up call to the fact this is a poison pill. And if the polling by PJM is anywhere near accurate, support in the black community for all of this is also dwindling… expect to see some very unexpected sea changes in voting patterns if this is the case.

This isn’t a tsunami.

Someone is pulling the plug from the drain to let the swamp drain out. Soon it will be time to get rid of the alligators left high and dry by the lack of swamp… after they attack each other for awhile, first.

ajacksonian on October 1, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Hola Beetches!

Apologetic California on October 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM

(I do believe CNN’s Rick Sanchez isn’t of this category.)

As for Americans of Latin descent, another couple years of being played by the Left, and Obama, by 2012 this Hispanic drift may easily turn into a large wave.

coldwarrior on October 1, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Does this mean the Dems and RINOs will stop trying to shove Amnesty down our throats? Didn’t think so.

james23 on October 1, 2010 at 12:11 PM

It’s getting so bad that they will next be polling the WH staff as their sample.

The War Planner on October 1, 2010 at 10:50 AM

+++1000

lovingmyUSA on October 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Democratic elitists are seriously, in the true sense of the word, the most racist people I have ever met.

j_galt on October 1, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Yep. It’s all about race with them.

Lily on October 1, 2010 at 12:25 PM

The only explanation of the move towards the GOP is the economy and the Recovery Summer bust, which appears to have been the last straw with Hispanic voters. They want competence and fiscal responsibility, just like most other American voters.

How many Hispanics do you know Ed? I know a bunch, some born here some naturalized. And every single one of them side with us and Arizona on immigration reform. I think it is a bigger issue with them than you think. The hand wringers in the GOP think that tough enforcment is a loser for garnering Hispanic votes. I disagree.

conservnut on October 1, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Local radio talk shows in Houston had daily callers from Hispanics, who support Arizona, and immigration laws. As was said…they worked hard, and long for their citizenship, and resented it being handed freely to those who come here illegally.

I’m not saying all Hispanics support immigration laws, but I think a good many do!

capejasmine on October 1, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Don’t get it twisted, Hispanics want jobs and a reasonable immigration reform, they believe the GOP can deliver what has been promised to them in the media. All we have to do is keep the right fringe who secretly push for mas deportation, or mass deportation by attrition from guiding the GOP position, and we will have a coalition for the ages.

conservador on October 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM

I’m not saying all Hispanics support immigration laws, but I think a good many do!

capejasmine on October 1, 2010 at 12:38 PM

RACE TRAITORS!

/dem off

Lily on October 1, 2010 at 12:45 PM

To change so much so rapidly, even in the face of the AZ demonization? To paraphrase Smokin Joe Biden, this is a doggone big deal.

paul1149 on October 1, 2010 at 1:02 PM

An American man was just killed by the Mexican “pirates” on Falcon Lake. Most of the Hispanics in Texas know how chaotic it’s gotten south of the river, and don’t want to see it on this side.

juliesa on October 1, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Sometimes the Hispanic deer at salt block, look up to smell the wind for danger, unlike the blacks hogs at the feed trough, who could care less what danger lurks out there for them.

BruceB on October 1, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Re: the immigration meme. More than a little condescending is more than a little correct. Why do Dems think legal, law abiding Hispanics would be so in favor of letting a flood of illegal, often criminal, Hispanics into the country? Oh, that’s right. A Hispanic is nothing more than the brown skin you see. Not a human being with actual hopes, and dreams.

teacherman on October 1, 2010 at 10:22 AM

When I was in high school at John Tyler High in Tyler TX in the 80′s, I was the minority being white.
And there were blacks & lots of Hispanics there.
There were illegal Mexicans & there were legal ones.
The legal American & legal immigrant Mexicans did not mix very much at all with the illegals.
They rather scorned them, actually.
My girlfriend, born in Chicago, whose parents were born in Mexico & who immigrated & legally became citizens, despised illegal Mexicans.
They were known to have turned some in.
So from my experience, Hispanics are like everyone else is they are law biding.
I consider them much different in their actions than African American groups I’ve encountered.
Very few Hispanics I have known want to identify with the victim mentality.
They just want to be successful.

Badger40 on October 1, 2010 at 2:19 PM

It’s time to send George Prescott Bush on a speaking tour.

Kafir on October 1, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Racistas!

Kevin71 on October 1, 2010 at 3:11 PM

teacherman said:

Why do Dems think legal, law abiding Hispanics would be so in favor of letting a flood of illegal, often criminal, Hispanics into the country?

Maybe it’s because black voters are sticking by Obama in huge numbers despite the fact that black unemployment is soaring. When you’re invested in “identity” politics, that’s what you see everywhere you look. Group identity doesn’t really fit well in Hispanic voting blocs; they’re far more diverse. Also, they’re conservative in their religious views. Republicans are far and away the smarter political party~they will be bringing Hispanics to leadership roles in the party. Talk is cheap when you’ve got nothing but slogans to offer. And, in border states, legal Hispanic citizens have to put up with the same crime, high taxation to cover benefits and education systems that reward illegal immigrants, as other residents do. On a daily basis they experience illegal immigration’s effects. I guess the Dems don’t realize that those border states have legal Hispanic residents too. And, suing Arizona is just about the worst example of central government thuggery imaginable. This administration is disastrous on too many levels to count.

mountainaires on October 1, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Maybe Hispanics are just like all the rest of us who desire to live our own lives, not be told what to do by our government, be allowed to keep the money we earn without the government taking it away to give it to someone more “deserving”, not wanting to have every effort regulated, every thought controlled, every action scrutinzed to ensure political correctness?

Maybe they just want to work hard, provide for their familes, be dependant upon themselves and have a very limited government to provide for the common defense and basically stay the hell out of our lives?

Maybe that’s why people of all colors, all cultures, all creeds, etc actual WANT to come to America?

It is so sad to realize that the desire to “come to America”, which has served us so very well and made our country great, will quickly change if we continue down the path the leftest and dems have chosen to take us of ever greater government control of our lives. Then where will the rest of the world look for that “shining city on a hill”??

Fatal on October 1, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Oh, and I should also say, there are a LOT of Hispanics – myself included – who approve of SB1070 and strong border enforcement. Both from a law & order standpoint, anyone that lives in a border state understands the chaos that is spilling over into the country.
lizzie beth on October 1, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Advocates of open borders does not discuss the crimes in Mexico or spilling over. While the people living in the USA know they are willfully blind of the problem. They lost credibility. Especially as it has gotten deadlier in Mexico and they whole world can see it.

meMC on October 1, 2010 at 5:15 PM

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meMC on October 1, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Well, that’s certainly one narrative, but not one that makes much sense. Republicans mainly held firm in their support for Arizona’s new law, and for good reason; it’s been tremendously popular in almost every state. Obama stopped talking about it during the summer after it became clear that he had lost his grip on the issue, and that people cared more about the economy than anything else.

That includes Hispanic voters. Gallup assumes that immigration reform is the only issue that matters to Hispanics, but that’s not just ridiculous, it’s also more than a little condescending. Hispanic voters, like everyone else, have to make a living and pay their bills. While immigration reform might be more important to them as a bloc than it is to other voting blocs, it seems not to have crossed Gallup’s mind that immigration reform doesn’t impact them directly — since, as voters, they’re already here, most of them by birth. As the economy soured over the summer, the benefit of the doubt given by these voters dissipated at the same time.

I think that some people on the right tend to overlook the fact that it is not always what you say, but the way you say it. Republicans lost a lot of hispanic support in 2006 because some voices on the right were so strident that it made it easier for Democrats and liberals to paint them as bigots…and we know they will do that if they can get away with it.

I think a lot of hispanics are in favor of border enforcement and just as importantly they care about jobs and the economy and national security just like everyone else.

Taking the names of people like Bush and McCain and trying to make them sound hispanic as means of insulting the men might make some folks on the right feel like they are being funny, but stuff like that is an unnecessary and stupid insult not only to McCain and Bush but to hispanics themselves who feel as if their entire culture is being attacked.

If conservatives just stick to the issue of immigration in terms of law and order and ignore all the cultural stuff they can attract the support of hispanics..after all, a lot of them are conservative themselves.

Terrye on October 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM

If the concepts expressed on this blog could somehow be turned over to all Americans to ponder and reflect upon, we would have a country all of us would be proud of….And a country which was the envy of the world.

It matters not your color, your race, nor your religious belief: If you are an American (natural born, or welcomed to this country for following the rules for naturalization) then we all have the same expectation:

A government which first creates an atmosphere wherein individuals have the opportunity to succeed and retain the fruits of their labors – and then (that government) stands aside. There is not one of us who would refuse to help the less fortunate of our citizens …But we don’t need government to usurp that function, much less tell us we have to help everybody who lands on two feet within our borders. No other country in the world grants such rights to illegal entrants – nor should we.

We shouldn’t (and mustn’t) talk of Black-Americans, or White-Americans, or Hispanic-Americans, or Asian-Americans; We are all simply AMERICANS. With that in mind, we should absolutely refuse to allow Progressives/Liberals,/Socialists to divide us with their abhorrent reliance on “class warfare”. Class warfare is a tactic of Socialist/Communist societies; it has no place in America. If Jesus said “The poor are with us always” (and He apparently did), then He must also have also meant the “rich are with us always” – for how can you judge one “poor” unless there is a basis for comparing that poor person to a rich person?

Successful people provide jobs in our society (85%+ of the jobs in fact); poor people on the other hand do not provide jobs simply because they do not have the wherewithal to do so. We as Americans have to appreciate the respective roles all of us play within society – and do so without resorting to class envy. And let us keep in mind, the only way which Progressives/Liberals/Socialists can advance their agenda is through class envy/warfare. Socialism has failed in every society in which it has been introduced. It has failed in America, and it has failed Americans.

alwyr on October 1, 2010 at 7:02 PM