Whitman’s husband: That might be my handwriting but the letter doesn’t prove anything

posted at 7:59 pm on September 30, 2010 by Allahpundit

Here’s how I know this story won’t hurt her: If I’m this bored blogging about it, Californians must be doubly bored reading about it.

“While I honestly do not recall receiving this letter, as it was sent to me seven years ago, I can say it is possible that I would’ve scratched a follow up note on a letter like this, which is a request for information to make certain Nicky received her Social Security benefits and W-2 tax refund for withheld wages. Since we believed her to be legal, I would have had no reason to suspect that she would not have filled it in and done what was needed to secure her benefits.

“It is important to note what this letter actually says: ‘this letter makes no statement about your employee’s immigration status.’

“The essential fact remains the same, neither Meg nor I believed there was a problem with Nicky’s legal status and I certainly don’t recall ever discussing it with my wife, nor did I ever show her any letter about it. The facts of this matter are very clear: Ms. Diaz broke the law and lied to us and to the employment agency. When she confessed her deception to us last year, we ended her employment immediately. Meg and I played by the rules and followed the law. Ms. Diaz did not. If, as she claims, she received this letter and note of inquiry from me, she never answered my request to look into this. Instead, she choose to continue her deception. This entire matter is a sad one and it’s timing is clearly the result of a calculated and cynical political smear by Meg’s opponents.”

TMZ has a five-minute audio clip of the conference call her team held this afternoon running through her husband’s statement and explaining why the Social Security letter doesn’t really prove what Allred thinks it proves. (The first third of the clip is devoted to reading the statement, so skip that.) It helps to have a copy of the letter open in your browser to follow along; I’ve reproduced the key part below to make it easier.


Their defense, as I understand it, is to argue that this “red-flag no-match letter” from SSA didn’t actually raise any red flags about immigration. (As you can see above, the letter explicitly states that it “makes no statement about your employee’s immigration status.”) When you read it carefully, all it says is that there’s some recordkeeping discrepancy related to Diaz’s W-2, which could mean any number of things; her lawyer points out that Diaz acknowledged on page two of the document that she goes by two different names, which Whitman’s husband might have believed was the true cause of the mix-up.

Likewise, the section on recommended action asks employers to do little more than make sure the name and number on the employee’s Social Security card match the name and number in the SSA letter. That’s where I get confused, though: Did they match? Allred redacted the form for privacy reasons so we can’t tell if the number blacked out above matches the one on the bogus Social Security card that Diaz presented to the Whitmans. The whole point of a letter like this in the immigration context, I thought, is to tell the employer that the number being used by their employee is assigned to a different name in the SSA database. That’s why it’s known as a red-flag letter, yes? But without knowing what the database says — and there’s nothing about that on the form, as far as I see — there’s nothing for Whitman or her husband to compare Diaz’s information to. Essentially, they’re forced to compare Diaz’s false documents to Diaz’s recitation of the numbers on those false documents, which is moronic. Is that right, or have I misread something here?


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Watching BOR discuss the Bible with Maher was also painful. It was obvious that neither of them had a clue what they were talking about and I’m no expert on the Bible.
slickwillie2001 on September 30, 2010 at 9:46 PM

Yep, I had the same reaction. I thought BOR was schooled by nuns so I expected him to be more well-versed and articulate.

Buy Danish on September 30, 2010 at 10:12 PM

What in the world does Allred expect to get out of this? Even if it were true the Whitman’s didn’t do anything illegal. So Alldred exposes this illegal alien and hopelfully puts her in jeopardy? I don’t get it.

ctmom on September 30, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Mark Levin show podcast available for download on Itunes now.

ctmom on September 30, 2010 at 10:14 PM

So what? Anybody with half a brain would see the likelihood that there is an immigration issue after receiving a letter like that.

Mark1971 on September 30, 2010 at 8:23 PM

No, as I have stated on other threads, just as the letter says, it could be a transposed number, name change and in cases of Hispanic using the wrong last name since they go by two names. The letter specifically states it is not a statement of illegal entry.

Oleta on September 30, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Obviously you have never had to deal with employment issues. So, we can assume you have never worked in an HR department, nor owned your business that utilized employees.

ButterflyDragon on September 30, 2010 at 8:31 PM

…..especially in Silicon Valley, with its immigrants from all over. Many people go by “nicknames” to make workplace relations easier (Soo-yi “Cynthia” Chung), and two-word names are common (“Joe Del Bustamante” — “Del Bustamante” is the last name, “Joe” is the first); “Ying Ling Chou” — “Ying Ling” is the first name, “Chou” the last.

Stuff gets crossways all the time.

cthulhu on September 30, 2010 at 10:19 PM

Mark1971 on September 30, 2010 at 8:46 PM

From what I can see the housekeeper would have just gotten fired earlier. I am sure this is why the Whitmans went through an agency to hire people, presumably they are experts in the paperwork required, aware of discrepancies and knowledgeable about falsification and/or forgeries.

Cindy Munford on September 30, 2010 at 10:22 PM

ctmom on September 30, 2010 at 10:12 PM

If you ever got between Ms. Alred and a camera/microphone you would realize p.d.q. what she expects to get. You would probably need Obamacare for the injuries after she mowed you down.

Cindy Munford on September 30, 2010 at 10:24 PM

So, relying on a forged SS card supplied by Diaz, Whitman supplies W2s that contain a false SS no. to the IRS for the better part of a decade, IRS supplies Diaz’s earnings information to SSA for benefit crediting purposes, SSA is aware that such a number/name combination supplied to it by IRS doesn’t match its records (and notifies Whitman of that fact in but one out of all the years of Diaz’s employment), such SSA notification expressly states that it is NOT to be taken as an inference of immigration status, ICE (and its predecessor) is MIA throughout, and somehow this Gorelick-like system should alert Whitman that Diaz might be illegal?

Barnestormer on September 30, 2010 at 10:28 PM

ss396 on September 30, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Social Security taxes (FICA) are deposited to a suspense account when it is determined they do not belong to the number they were reported under. By depositing it to the suspense account they are not saying the matter has been cleared up.

Oleta on September 30, 2010 at 10:29 PM

Social Security taxes (FICA) are deposited to a suspense account when it is determined they do not belong to the number they were reported under. By depositing it to the suspense account they are not saying the matter has been cleared up.

Oleta on September 30, 2010 at 10:29 PM

For seven years?

sharrukin on September 30, 2010 at 10:32 PM

For seven years?

sharrukin on September 30, 2010 at 10:32 PM

Forever, if it is never cleared up. I don’t remember how many billions are in that account. Or rather the documentation, since the money has long ago been spent by congress.

Oleta on September 30, 2010 at 10:44 PM

My son received a letter almost exactly like this a couple of years ago, and I know he was born in the United States, having sort of been there when it happened. He brought it to me because he didn’t know what to do with it. It turned out that his employer had transposed a couple of numbers. No immigration problem involved.

hachiban on September 30, 2010 at 10:45 PM

Mitt Romney in drag…

wraithby on September 30, 2010 at 10:52 PM

Mitt Romney in drag…

wraithby on September 30, 2010 at 10:52 PM

Now, now. Although I do wonder if conservatives should be jumping on a “moderate” who may have ethical issues with the same relish that moderate party-unity types jump all over O’Donnell, for example. Time for Whitman to go under the bus and for us to consider the CA governorship to be Jerry Brown’s to lose?

ddrintn on September 30, 2010 at 11:05 PM

So what? Anybody with half a brain would see the likelihood that there is an immigration issue after receiving a letter like that.

Mark1971 on September 30, 2010 at 8:23 PM

That would be discrimination, to assume it was an immigration issue. The letter says that the employer could not discriminate because of the letter.

WoosterOh on September 30, 2010 at 11:07 PM

That would be discrimination, to assume it was an immigration issue. The letter says that the employer could not discriminate because of the letter.

WoosterOh on September 30, 2010 at 11:07 PM

Technically, the letter says that “It is not a basis, in and of itself, to take adverse action….” That is a way of saying the recipient needs to do more checking.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 11:13 PM

So last summer it is racist to ask someone for papers, our Labor Secretary says that all immigrants, documented or undocumented, have a right to be paid fairly, Colin Powell apparently has illegals working all over his property, and the lefts big smear on this lady is that is that she hired a housekeeper and she might have known at sometime that housekeeper was undocumented?

Get some stinkin’ consistency, please.

caveman on September 30, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Just found some info from Consumer Affairs stating that as of 2005 there had been a total of $519 Billion in FICA placed in Earnings Suspense account. That was from 250 Million earnings records where there had been a no match. And we worry because one person employed one person and made a report that did not match?

Oleta on September 30, 2010 at 11:22 PM

If you are in California, employing a Latina housekeeper and receive one of these letters that likelihood is that it is an immigration issue.

Mark1971 on September 30, 2010 at 8:33 PM

So, you’re saying all the Hispanic housekeepers in California are illegals?

ButterflyDragon on September 30, 2010 at 11:38 PM

That would be discrimination, to assume it was an immigration issue. The letter says that the employer could not discriminate because of the letter.

WoosterOh on September 30, 2010 at 11:07 PM

You don’t take action because of the letter alone. The letter should have been a red flag to them to dig a little deeper. At the very least fill out the letter and send it back. That would have been enough to cover their ass.

Mark1971 on October 1, 2010 at 12:11 AM

So, you’re saying all the Hispanic housekeepers in California are illegals?

ButterflyDragon on September 30, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Nope, I’m not saying that. I’m saying that if you have an Hispanic housekeeper and receive one of these letters more likely than not it means there’s an immigration issue.

Mark1971 on October 1, 2010 at 12:13 AM

You don’t take action because of the letter alone. The letter should have been a red flag to them to dig a little deeper. At the very least fill out the letter and send it back. That would have been enough to cover their ass.

Which would have done no good. The Lame Stream Media will push what they want to, and Allred would have ignored a correction. If the Whitmans had fired her based on the letter, Allred would still be pushing and finding ways to try to turn the race back to her commie friend Jerry Brown. She would probably have had Nicky lie that Mr. Whitman kept her around as a mistress and didn’t want to end that (lie).

Conservatives can never win in a fight like this. They just have to hope enough don’t care/are understanding/don’t trust the LSM and put the REAL issues of the state first. Once they were sure this housekeeper, whom they probably liked and that blinded them a bit because of the friendship, was not legal, they let her go immediately.

PastorJon on October 1, 2010 at 12:24 AM

LOL.. oh my god, I just listened to the interview by Levin of Allred.

She’s totally drove off into the deep end of insanity :)

DaSaintFan on October 1, 2010 at 12:47 AM

From this boring story, I had hoped that at least her husband’s great patrician name would become known, but apparently not. He’s Griffith Harsh IV.

Sowell Disciple on October 1, 2010 at 1:25 AM

Conservatives can never win in a fight like this.

PastorJon on October 1, 2010 at 12:24 AM

Meg Whitman is not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

tballard on October 1, 2010 at 1:32 AM

I watched almost all of Meg Whitman’s presser on this on CSpan today, and either she’s the most sincere (and smartest) woman I’ve ever seen, or she’s an accomplished liar like you’ve never seen in your life. I tend towards the former.

Paul-Cincy on September 30, 2010 at 8:28 PM

I’ve worked for the Meg Whitman campaign and even drove Meg Whitman personally to a few rallies.

From my personal experience with her, she is sincere as they come. And she’s very smart. As I drove her around, I got to listen on some conversations. All I can say is…she’s incredibly intelligent.

I doubt she’d be lying on a simple housekeeping issue.

Conservative Samizdat on October 1, 2010 at 2:36 AM

Yep, I had the same reaction. I thought BOR was schooled by nuns so I expected him to be more well-versed and articulate.

Buy Danish on September 30, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Most Catholics I know don’t really study the Bible much. They leave that to the clergy.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on October 1, 2010 at 2:37 AM

Most Catholics I know don’t really study the Bible much. They leave that to the clergy.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on October 1, 2010 at 2:37 AM

Have you heard about the latest research findings that Atheists, Jews and Mormons know the Bible better than most Christian faiths. Even Evangelicals and Protestants know the Bible better than Catholics.

I find that surprising since the Catholics I know are pretty well versed in the Bible. Am I missing something here?

Conservative Samizdat on October 1, 2010 at 4:28 AM

There are voters out there whose sole basis for choosing is a deep-seated resentment of fat cats (which would be defined as “anyone who has more money than me.”) Just getting the word out that Whitman is well-off enough to hire housekeepers is enough to lock in that block. Mission accomplished here. The defensive scramble and faux-scandal is all bonus territoty.

curved space on October 1, 2010 at 7:04 AM

territory. mm hm.

curved space on October 1, 2010 at 7:05 AM

Have you heard about the latest research findings that Atheists, Jews and Mormons know the Bible better than most Christian faiths. Even Evangelicals and Protestants know the Bible better than Catholics.

I find that surprising since the Catholics I know are pretty well versed in the Bible. Am I missing something here?

Conservative Samizdat on October 1, 2010 at 4:28 AM

I think most of those surveys tend to lump practicing and non-practicing Catholics together. But as a Catholic, I see the same trend in the general lack of Scripture knowledge, with the exception of most of my conservative Catholic friends.

caveman on October 1, 2010 at 7:59 AM

That is a way of saying the recipient needs to do more checking.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Wow Jimbo, isn’t that what the state of Arizona thought also?

You may be on to something with that kind of logic. Hopefully Big Sis and Eric won’t notice, otherwise doing more checking might just land your ass in court.

belad on October 1, 2010 at 8:08 AM

What’s supposed to be the point of this attack again? Whitman knowingly hired an illegal alien?

If true … how is that any worse than Obama allowing his illegal aunt to stay in the US collecting taxpayer provided benefits?

darwin on October 1, 2010 at 8:11 AM

You don’t take action because of the letter alone. The letter should have been a red flag to them to dig a little deeper. At the very least fill out the letter and send it back. That would have been enough to cover their ass.

Mark1971 on October 1, 2010 at 12:11 AM

As an employer, if you start digging deeper you may end up in court as a defendant in a discrimination suit. Great thinking!

belad on October 1, 2010 at 8:11 AM

and there’s nothing about that on the form, as far as I see — there’s nothing for Whitman or her husband to compare Diaz’s information to. Essentially, they’re forced to compare Diaz’s false documents to Diaz’s recitation of the numbers on those false documents, which is moronic. Is that right, or have I misread something here?

And the letter specifically states you can not use the information in that letter to take action against the employee. You’d think that Allred being an attorney would figure out such a simple thing as that.

mizflame98 on October 1, 2010 at 8:19 AM

Where is crr6 when you need expert legal opinion?

belad on October 1, 2010 at 8:21 AM

And the letter specifically states you can not use the information in that letter to take action against the employee. You’d think that Allred being an attorney would figure out such a simple thing as that.

mizflame98 on October 1, 2010 at 8:19 AM

Allred’s goal is simply to get this out in the open in the most negative light possible. She knows this woman doesn’t have a leg to stand on … she’s being used.

darwin on October 1, 2010 at 8:23 AM

LOL.. oh my god, I just listened to the interview by Levin of Allred.

She’s totally drove off into the deep end of insanity :)

DaSaintFan on October 1, 2010 at 12:47 AM

Levin completely took her apart.

Why are we still even talking about this?

rollthedice on October 1, 2010 at 8:45 AM

Watching BOR discuss the Bible with Maher was also painful. It was obvious that neither of them had a clue what they were talking about and I’m no expert on the Bible.

slickwillie2001 on September 30, 2010 at 9:46 PM

Just the thought of those two discussing the bible sounds very painful.

I find both O’Reilly and Maher very off-putting. Both have this attitude of, “Listen to me, because I speak for the common man, unlike every one else in the media.” Both over-rate themselves considerably. Maher, of course, is worse, because he’s so liberal that he really speaks for very few people. O’Reilly is at least generally intelligent and sensible, until he gets off on some subject where he knows nothing or is playing the populist.

I’m surprised people in the studio could breathe with those two egos soaking up the oxygen.

There Goes The Neighborhood on October 1, 2010 at 8:49 AM

Question: Are we supposed to think less of Whitman because she hired an illegal alien even though the maid lied on her application, or because she fired the maid when she knew she was illegal, or because she “must have known all along’ she was illegal.

Answer: Yes. To all three.

There Goes The Neighborhood on October 1, 2010 at 8:53 AM

The verification only tells you if the name on the social security matches. This of course leads to a lot of false positives.

Whitman did everything she should have. During the Clinton years I remember people politicians getting in trouble for employing illegal aliens, now Republicans get in trouble for firing them, lol.

jeffn21 on October 1, 2010 at 8:53 AM

Yep, I had the same reaction. I thought BOR was schooled by nuns so I expected him to be more well-versed and articulate.

Buy Danish on September 30, 2010 at 10:12 PM

….awwwwww, time for the ageless joke.
What is the difference between a Lutheran and Catholic?
The Lutheran reads the bible…
My sister-in-law, raised all through college in the Catholic school system confirms this…now a Lutheran, she used to hate it when I told that joke, now she laughs at herself for now naive she was.

right2bright on October 1, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Haven’t read all the comments on this but I noticed the maid’s hourly wage was $23.00 per hour. My question is what was the advantage in hiring an illegal immigrant? I thought they were paid much less.

Herb on October 1, 2010 at 9:07 AM

Gloria’s last big case was Octomom, remember. And before that, tagging onto Brown and Anna Nicole Smith.

One thing she is: Shameless.

AnninCA on October 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM

My question is what was the advantage in hiring an illegal immigrant? I thought they were paid much less.

Herb on October 1, 2010 at 9:07 AM

That was one sweet gig, eh? Reminds me of Zoila on Flipping Out.

*haha

AnninCA on October 1, 2010 at 9:11 AM

How did Alred get that hand written letter? Only possibilities I can think of:
1. Maid saw it and took it.
2. Dumpster diggers.

Any other guesses?

shick on October 1, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Gloria Aldred is a slut

She was paid a lot to take this.

Schwarzenegger touched her breast when she was interviewing him in 2000 on a promotional tour for “The Sixth Day.”

Another October just before the election case.
Aldred is a slut and used to stymie Republicans.

seven on October 1, 2010 at 9:16 AM

I watched Whitman’s presser on CSPAN last night. She’s handling this nontroversy like a pro. It’s going to blow back on Brown.

Bugler on October 1, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Gloria’s last big case was Octomom, remember. And before

that, tagging onto Brown and Anna Nicole Smith.

One thing she is: Shameless.

AnninCA on October 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM

And before that trying to defeat Swarzenegger with phony accusations.

darwin on October 1, 2010 at 9:17 AM

I’m rather impressed with Whitman on this. She handled it. I think that was a remaining question in people’s minds, actually. Is she up to being a real public figure?

Well, Brown gave her a very good opportunity to test her mettle.

But the really lingering thought in most voter’s minds? She paid $23 an hour for a housekeeper?

I’m sorry, but I lived in So. Cal, and that figure is astounding.

She’s very generous.

AnninCA on October 1, 2010 at 9:30 AM

CA is about to enter an awful stage, where they are going to be fighting with any administration for help, while probably being unable to dig out due to the dominance of out-of-touch Dems in legislature.

They need a very thick-skinned leader.

AnninCA on October 1, 2010 at 9:32 AM

On the gossip side, can you believe this maid’s tears?

Let’s see, you sure took the pay for 9 years and now you’re crying?

AnninCA on October 1, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Must keep story alive…must keep story alive….SHEEEESH….

winston on October 1, 2010 at 9:37 AM

IRONY is if MEG had fired this lady BECAUSE of the LETTER GLORIA would have still been in the equation and quite possibly EBAY would have been brought to its knees because ALLRED would have dragged MEG to court for ………….
HAS anyone asked just WHY ALLREd is involved ? is ICE trying to deport this lady ? Allred is filing a lawsuit ? WHEN ?
The real question should be why can PRIVATE enterprise ( credit card company ) stop your purchase at the POS when yo are thousands of miles from home because you forgot to call and inform them you would be traveling , YET BIG GOVERNMENT can pile up stacks of paperwork and miles of red tape and nothing gets solved ? Shouldnt there be a process in place to make sure Drivers license and documentation ( SS CARD CLEARLY states it is not for ID ) go hi tech ? REALLY with people trying to blow things up this should be a no brainer
I think GLORIA has the proper surname ALLED , her face should be all red …what happened to the 5 or so TIGER RENT A BABES she is representing ? They have a lawsuit ?She has filed restraining / protective orders for them ?
WHITE VERSION OF JESSE JACKSON

ELMO Q on October 1, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Your analysis sounds correct to me, AP. I agree too that no one much will care in CA. Besides, isn’t CA divided now between rich elite conservatives (who will vote for MW) and everyone else, who would never vote for any conservative ever? I heard the middle class not dependent on government has moved out.

JimP on October 1, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Whoever it was that put up the link to the Levin “interview” with Alred…thanks! That was hilarious. He even took apart the letter that Alred is using as her “evidence” using the same arguments that are being shown here on HA. That recording made my day. :-D

Highlar on October 1, 2010 at 9:48 AM

How did Alred get that hand written letter? Only possibilities I can think of:
1. Maid saw it and took it.
2. Dumpster diggers.

Any other guesses?

shick on October 1, 2010 at 9:13 AM

The husband gave it to her so that she could correct what he thought was a clerical error?

Count to 10 on October 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Allred redacted the form for privacy reasons

I doubt that. If it were a smoking gun Allred would have published it.

And since when were liberals concerned about people hiring illegal aliens? Weren’t the Whitmans just trying to keep down the level of violence in Mexico?

rbj on October 1, 2010 at 9:52 AM

The point of this exercise is to paint Whitman as some kind of a bully to her employee; heartless and cold when a poor latin a in trouble who has toiled for them for years, comes to the for help with “fixing” her immigration status problems.

iow, a complete proxy for the heartless, cold, attitude of Teaparty/ republicans not in favor of “paths to documents” for all the toiling Latinas whose labor we have gained the advantage of all this time.

see, we all KNOW immigrants are here, and it’s not like we get nothing out of it, but we will drop them like hot rocks when asked to make laws that conform to the reality of aliens working in the us.

also, she’s rich, and noblesse oblige and all that, and so she’s a bully. rich people should be taking care of the little poor ones who do all their chores.

SarahW on October 1, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Allahpundit is all over it

long_cat on October 1, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Michelle Malkin’s coverage of this story is very revealing.
And somewhat pathetic.

Y-not on October 1, 2010 at 10:02 AM

Isn’t this whole thing just another Alinsky tactic? Doesn’t matter the truth – just float the allegation.

Pablo Snooze on October 1, 2010 at 10:06 AM

Michelle Malkin’s coverage of this story is very revealing.
And somewhat pathetic.

Y-not on October 1, 2010 at 10:02 AM

but it’s the maid’s fault for not following up.

Lame.

Michelle is way off on this one…she is great, but so very weak.
I think now she has buried herself so deep that she can’t bring herself to admit what the letter clearly states.
It is not used to determine immigration status.
Sorry Michelle, but not only are you wrong, but you are making it worse by not admitting you spoke up before the facts were revealed.

right2bright on October 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM

I was completely on Whitmans side on this, until I found out she was paying an illegal $23 an hour. That does not sound like the fiscal responsibility we need in Sacremento right now.

Koa on October 1, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Snooze, except, what’s the allegation, exactly?

It’s a read between the lines deal, the complaint is internally inconsistent…

YOU SHOULD HAVE FIRED ME FASTER!!! AND GOTTEN ME DEPORTED TO BOOT!!

I don’t think so.

SarahW on October 1, 2010 at 10:23 AM

I think that the fact that the husband asked the maid to lok into it, per his handwriting, proves they didn’t know or think that she was illegal. He was asking her to verify that they recorded her SSN correctly.

If he knew she was illegal, why would he even ask her to look into it?

She lied when she filled out the forms, provided a false SSN and lied to the Whitmans that she was eligible to work in the US. What’s to say she didn’t lie to the husband and say that she looked into it, and cleared it up – that it was a clerical error or something. It sounds like she had been working for them for three years at that point. They liked her and trusted her, or so it seems.

Hysterical that Dems are trying to smear Whitman for employing an “undocumented worker”… So, it’s ok to allow them to stay, but they take issue with people actually hiring them?

sarainitaly on October 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Snooze, the meta-meassage is hey all you immigrant-type folks and people who want their votes to go YOUR way—- elect a mean Republican and their won’t be any “paths to documents,” just firings all over the place, once they use you up and toss you away, a hollowed out husk of a vampire victim.

SarahW on October 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM

And yeah, Michelle had a knee-jerk to this one. I guess everyone has a blind spot or two.

SarahW on October 1, 2010 at 10:28 AM

It’s a read between the lines deal, the complaint is internally inconsistent…

YOU SHOULD HAVE FIRED ME FASTER!!! AND GOTTEN ME DEPORTED TO BOOT!!

I don’t think so.

Exactly! It is completely inconsistent, and BS. And talk about an ingrate. They employed her for nine years!

sarainitaly on October 1, 2010 at 10:29 AM

It says to people, yes, they might have all of their papers in order, but you still can’t trust them.

John the Libertarian on September 30, 2010 at 8:20 PM

Yep:

If you have a Latina housekeeper and you get a letter about an SSN discrepancy that should be a red flag right there to anyone of average intelligence.

Mark1971 on September 30, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Slightly off topic, but why is this admitted illegal still in the US? And why did her lawyer provide incriminating evidence against her client to the entire world?

Esthier on October 1, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Why did he pass on the letter to the housekeeper anyway? It wasn’t addressed to her and it wasn’t her responsibility to fill it out and return it.

Mark1971 on September 30, 2010 at 9:00 PM

Weren’t they paying her to do simple tasks like that?

Esthier on October 1, 2010 at 10:41 AM

And yeah, Michelle had a knee-jerk to this one. I guess everyone has a blind spot or two.

SarahW on October 1, 2010 at 10:28 AM

The irony there is that MM has done much the same thing to Whitman that she attacked Karl Rove for doing to Christine O’Donnell.

slickwillie2001 on October 1, 2010 at 10:45 AM

And yeah, Michelle had a knee-jerk to this one. I guess everyone has a blind spot or two.

That’s certainly true, but why won’t she drop it now? What is the goal of beating up on Whitman over something that – even if true (which it certainly isn’t) – is not exactly a disqualifying act when taken in the context of who the alternative candidate is?

Don’t get me wrong, under most circumstances I would eliminate someone who knowingly employed/s an illegal alien from my candidate list — certainly in the primary, all other things being equal — but does Malkin really think Jerry Brown is a better alternative?

Even if Malkin truly believes the scenario she’s painting, it seems as if Whitman’s main sin is political expediency (in firing the maid as she was preparing to enter the governor’s race) — hardly an unusual quality in a politician.

Malkin is one of the few conservative bloggers to really make serious inroads in the mainstream media. She is one of the few faces of conservative thought that moderates see. As such, she holds much more sway than other bloggers. I wish she would keep her eyes on the big picture and set aside her personal vendettas against politicians she doesn’t like.

Y-not on October 1, 2010 at 10:46 AM

That is a way of saying the recipient needs to do more checking.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 11:13 PM

And how much digging can an employer do without being considered treating the employee adversely in violation of the law? Serious question.

It seems to me that anything more than asking about the error would have been too far. In which case, the Whitmans’ biggest mistake seems to be in letting the maid handle it instead of overseeing the issue directly.

They hired her through a service and likely believed the service was more thorough. It would seem racist to assume otherwise.

Esthier on October 1, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Why did he pass on the letter to the housekeeper anyway? It wasn’t addressed to her and it wasn’t her responsibility to fill it out and return it.

Mark1971 on September 30, 2010 at 9:00 PM

Actually, I’ve read numerous comments on other blogs from employers who have dealt with this situation and that is exactly what he was supposed to do. The employer cannot discriminate against his employee just because of this letter. If he reacts too proactively, he can be accused of discrimination. The employer’s recourse is to bring the subject to the employee’s attention and ask them why there’s a discrepancy.

In this case, since the maid used more than one name AND since she was using her sister’s SSN, it is really easy to see how she was able to pass it off as a simple mistake.

If Allred produces multiple letters following up on this issue, I might start to think the Whitman’s should have suspected the maid was a lying, thieving criminal (which of course she turned out to be). But until then this is really weak sauce.

These folks are billionaires. This was one letter — practically a form letter. He read it, passed it along to his employee for follow up, and put it out of his mind.

I think the sadder thing is how hard it is to get honest people to work for you even if you’re a billionaire. ‘Doesn’t give the rest of us slobs much hope, does it?

Y-not on October 1, 2010 at 10:52 AM

The irony there is that MM has done much the same thing to Whitman that she attacked Karl Rove for doing to Christine O’Donnell.

Even more ironic… I’ve read that Tancredo had this same problem and Malkin gave him a complete pass on it.

Y-not on October 1, 2010 at 10:55 AM

Allred is a media whore. This is v 2.0. She pulled the same crap when Arnie was running to replace Gray Davis.

When asked “Why NOW?”, all Gloria can do is bluster and spit out inane comments like ‘She’s the new Rosa Parks’!

GarandFan on October 1, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Perhaps it’s been said here, but if a Republican were to have fired an illegal immigrant or even legal immigrant bcs they had received a letter like this, the ‘left’ would have pursued their prosecution/persecution/villification with zest & outrage.
Reading this letter, I can see why the Whitman’s didn’t think a thing of it, having employed this woman for a while, they clearly trusted her by now. And notice it instructs that the employer cannot take any retributive action against the employee for this.
And how many mistakes has SS, or ANY govt office made with their information?
I can count DOZENS of letters I have received over the years from various govt agencies referring to information being incomplete, incorrect, etc.
This $hit is ridiculous.
And after having lived in SoCal during Brown’s 1st term as gov (I was a child) I remember how screwed up things were then & they have gotten so bad I never want to go back to that pesthole, EVER.
So if the good citizens of CA let the bad & illegal citizens of CA vote this turd back in, then you all pretty much get what you deserve.

Badger40 on October 1, 2010 at 11:09 AM

I think the sadder thing is how hard it is to get honest people to work for you even if you’re a billionaire. ‘Doesn’t give the rest of us slobs much hope, does it?

Y-not on October 1, 2010 at 10:52 AM

In agriculture especially, it is extremely difficult to get honest, hard working legal people to do that work.
We have a farmer friend who is a pretty big farmer here in SW ND & he has had many problems finding a hired man.
He’s had to get people from South Africa to come & work bcs they will work for a living.
A lot of custom combiners are from Africa.
ND farmers & bee keeprs, too, as well as larger ranchers & fedding & dairy operations fight for green cards to import ag workers bcs no one else will do the work.
And certainly the pay could be better in some cases, but that friend of ours-he pays very well & gives bonuses for hard work.
He even rented out some farmland & put the profits from it into his hired man’s checking account as an incentive to stay.
So instead of looking at why Americans are hirind illegals & legals to do the jobs, why aren’t we asking welfare recipients who are unemployed why they aren’t taking some of these jobs?
You know, if you are jobless & have been for a long time bcs you can’t find work where you’re living, guess what?
You may have to move where the work’s at.
People from all over the nation are coming here to ND, for example bcs this is where the work is at.
They’re even living in tent cities bcs there’s not enough housing & they want a job.

Badger40 on October 1, 2010 at 11:15 AM

the letter explicitly states that it “makes no statement about your employee’s immigration status.”

And it explicitly states that if you fire based on that letter; you’re opening yourself up to state and federal lawsuits… which seems persuasive to me.

gekkobear on October 1, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Just getting the word out that Whitman is well-off enough to hire housekeepers is enough to lock in that block. Mission accomplished here.

I have someone come in to clean my house for me and I’m far from well-off…I just give up other things to pay for that.

Bob's Kid on October 1, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Excellent analysis, AP…you did your homework!

lovingmyUSA on October 1, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Why is the SSN# blacked out, if its fake??? I understand why the dumbest “lawyer” on the planet would hold this info – but isnt she, in fact – protecting and abetting a crime if its a stolen SSN#???

One cannot posses a stolen SSN# and/or use that SSN# for anything.

Odie1941 on October 1, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Why is the SSN# blacked out, if its fake???

It’s not fake. It’s the maid’s sister’s SSN.

Y-not on October 1, 2010 at 12:16 PM

So, where is Big Sis? This is another illegal alien to deport, as well as a criminal for falsification of the SSN. Hypocrites! And while they’re at it, deport Allread along with her.

ultracon on October 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Alldread is trying to shakedown Whitman and hurt the campaign. If this case is 7 years old, I suspect the SS# fraud will be a felony and whitman will be off the hook on any claims.
Alldread tried to take the breast fondling claim on the schwartzenagger election public also. The radical liberal wack jobs are paying for this case.

seven on October 1, 2010 at 12:49 PM

DOJ can send some Black Panthers over and get Whitmans attention. \
Alldread is a typical big mouth

seven on October 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

The issue is the culture of corruption we are allowing to become SOP within our borders. The stealing SS#, the misrepresentation. It’s teh fault of the illegal, not the American citizen duped into accepting bad docs. That’s the issue Whitman can make lemonade out of this if she properly frames the issue.

pc on October 1, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Gloria Allred is a tool of the democrat party plus she is friends with Jerry Brown. She pulled this crap before when Arnold Schwarzenegger was running for Governor. That also was a nothing case that went nowhere. She is doing her best to make a saint out of this lady who used someone elses Social Security number and used forged documents. What a wonderful person. She admits being an illegal. If I remember correctly- using someone else’s social security number is Identity thief and also a Federal Offense. How bout the victim of that crime? Will she get a pass from the Federal Government and local law enforcement or has she now become above the law.

flintstone on October 1, 2010 at 1:53 PM

If I’m this bored blogging about it, Californians must be doubly bored reading about it.

I’m not bored, thanks to Mark Levin. His interview last night with All-Red was priceless.

What a treat. First, I got to hear Levin flex his muscles more than usual. Check it out. He toyed with All-Red

Fem-ambulance chaser All-Red gets carte blanche air on cable to represent fem victims

I now realize she has been carefully staged. Last night Levin peeled the banana.

A decent lawyer, even a pol-op sneak for a dirty campaign, could have played against Levin and used the air time to make points.

Unless All-Red was high last night, there is only one conclusion for her inane babbling

This morning I caught the housekeeper wiping imaginary tears from her dry eyes and cheeks as she dry sobbed at a news conference. What kind of amateurs are these? Aren’t there drugs to prime the eyes?

Housey got 23 bucks an hour. Employers filed the taxes. Had high profile employer questioned employee’s citizenship status upon receiving the letter, high power employer would be subject to possible lawsuit.

It cracked me up as All-Red kept emphasizing how employer made employee drive the car.

All-Red refused to say yes or no that Housey was an ‘alien’ or an ‘illegal alien’. She insisted her client was an undocumented worker. Housey is therefore also an undocumented licensed driver

Gov Schwarzenegger repealed the bill giving illegal aliens ability to get licenses

Citizens get in trouble driving without a license.

Would it be profiling to politely ask if Housey had a drivers license, if Housey is already driving to work in a car? In California – possibly.

My advice to the elites, stay away from Mexicans. The game is rigged. They own you. Hire some nice black people. Make sure they speak ebonics so you wont have to ask too many questions about country of origin. They are the ones pushed out of work by illegals, so you owe them. And pay them 23 bucks an hour too, for a change

entagor on October 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Forever, if it is never cleared up. I don’t remember how many billions are in that account. Or rather the documentation, since the money has long ago been spent by congress.

Oleta on September 30, 2010 at 10:44 PM

There is zero in that account. It’s part of the lockbox, and the lockbox is empty.

unclesmrgol on October 1, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Slightly off topic, but why is this admitted illegal still in the US? And why did her lawyer provide incriminating evidence against her client to the entire world?

Esthier on October 1, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Do you honestly believe for even a second that Gloria Allred has her client’s best interests in mind here?

unclesmrgol on October 1, 2010 at 3:02 PM

My wife’s SSN and her name did not match for decades. Her mom married her stepdad and began using his last name for her daughter (my wife) shortly after she started elementary school. That meant the only documents that had her birth name and birth certificate were the birth certificate, the ssn card, and her earliest school records.

SSA won’t take birth certificates as proof of identity, turns out.

We had to make special arrangements with her elementary school to get her earliest school records, which finally satisfied the SSA, and allowed us to get her SSN assigned to her (assumed) stepfather’s name and then changed to her married name. And yes, we had to do it in steps like that.

All of which is to say that there are probably plenty of reasons under which employers receive notices like the one above from the SSA.

TexasDan on October 1, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Allred redacted the form for privacy reasons so we can’t tell if the number blacked out above matches the one on the bogus Social Security card that Diaz presented to the Whitmans.

Here’s a question – does anyone else actually legally have the SSN that Diaz used?

The fact that Allred redacted fake SSN information just highlights how ridiculous this situation is.

hawksruleva on October 1, 2010 at 3:27 PM

So instead of looking at why Americans are hirind illegals & legals to do the jobs, why aren’t we asking welfare recipients who are unemployed why they aren’t taking some of these jobs?
You know, if you are jobless & have been for a long time bcs you can’t find work where you’re living, guess what?
You may have to move where the work’s at.
People from all over the nation are coming here to ND, for example bcs this is where the work is at.
They’re even living in tent cities bcs there’s not enough housing & they want a job.

Badger40 on October 1, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Part of the problem is that millions of poor Americans are holding onto homes they can’t afford. Home ownership impairs mobility.

We’re also giving the unemployed pay for up to 99 weeks. If you’re a laid off union worker, you’re probably in even better shape. And even when benefits run out, in a large liberal city you can scrounge up a lot of benefits.

hawksruleva on October 1, 2010 at 3:34 PM

didn’t the ACLU get those letters suppressed??

RonK on October 1, 2010 at 5:20 PM

why do Rose Law Firm records suddenly come to mind……weird…..

RealMc on October 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM

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