Gallup: Obama 52, Hillary 37

posted at 9:45 pm on September 30, 2010 by Allahpundit

Two thoughts on this very dumb but eternally amusing hypothetical. One: Seriously? Hillary only polls 37 percent against a guy who’s united America in its shared disappointment in him? How high does unemployment have to get before she’s within single digits? Fifteen percent?

Obama by 10 among Democratic women? Good lord. Two: Given the buzz surrounding Bill Clinton’s eyepopping favorable rating in this week’s Journal poll, wouldn’t a far more interesting poll have been a Democratic primary between The One and Billy Jeff? One of the reasons Hillary’s numbers are lagging here, I think, is because Obama enjoys the status of the presidency and she doesn’t. That wouldn’t be the case against Bill. Also, the ideological battle lines between him and Hillary at this point aren’t as clear as they would be in a Hopenchange vs. Man From Hope race. Hillary is, after all, part of Obama’s cabinet, so while she’s thought of as being more centrist than him generally, she’s also tied to his agenda in the public’s mind. Bill isn’t. He’s remembered as a centrist Democrat who presided during an era of prosperity, which, needless to say, sets him up as a stark contrast to Obama. And Bill, of course, is famously personally charming, capable of ye olde feeling o’ the pain in a way that President Spock palpably isn’t. Hillary suffered from not being able to match Obama’s charisma in 2008 but Bill would have no similar problem, yet another reason to view him as a superior opponent for The One. So how about it, Gallup? Poll that sucker. Just imagine Bill reading the numbers and getting wistful about what might have been…

Speaking of hypotheticals, note that the only demographic where Hillary beats Obama is among conservative Democrats. Our own GOP primary is looking early to be wide open, stocked with candidates whose favorable ratings are dramatically lower than Bob Dole’s and John McCain’s were at this point in previous cycles. You don’t suppose HRC would consider a late-in-life political conversion — do you?


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PUMA!

ted c on September 30, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Allah why are you rerunning a thread from ’07 ??

cableguy615 on September 30, 2010 at 9:48 PM

note that the only demographic where Hillary beats Obama is among conservative Democrats.

In other words, she has no constituency.

ddrintn on September 30, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Hillary can’t run against Obama anyway. As a member of his cabinet, she’d look like a backstabber. Plus that connects her to his failed adminstration, even if her role is in the foreign policy arena.

Oh, and let’s forget that anyone who attempts to primary Obama would risk alienating black voters. And the way the Dems are going, that’s probably gonna be half their voting bloc come 2012.

Doughboy on September 30, 2010 at 9:49 PM

OH YES YES YES.

Silverwolf on September 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM

You don’t suppose HRC would consider a late-in-life political conversion — do you?

Maybe she can lead the GOP after the conservatives bolt and form a Conservative Party. Sounds like a juggernaut.

ddrintn on September 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM

You don’t suppose HRC would consider a late-in-life political conversion — do you?

Please stop. That’s not even funny.

joejm65 on September 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM

AP, look at the difference between the college graduate/did not graduate numbers. Does this not prove without a doubt that Hillary was the working class Dem candidate in 2008? That might set her up her quite nicely in 2012 given the fallout from Obama’s policies, especially Obamacare, between now and then.

Missy on September 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Dare to dream the dream.

JohnGalt23 on September 30, 2010 at 9:51 PM

I’d also like to see that poll; Bill Clinton matched up against Obama. I believe Billy Jeff would trounce him.

Demosthenes on September 30, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Nope. It’s going to be Obama/Clinton. This is going to be his last trick to try to save his a$$.

El_Terrible on September 30, 2010 at 9:52 PM

And Bill, of course, is famously personally charming, capable of ye olde feeling o’ the pain in a way that President Spock palpably isn’t.

and that Billy Jeff….boy, he had a way with the gals in the blue dresses too….

ted c on September 30, 2010 at 9:52 PM

You don’t suppose HRC would consider a late-in-life political conversion — do you?

Sure she would…in a Specter/Crist/Murkowski kind of way, yeah. If she could action off Bill for the Presidency, do you think she would bat an eye? Of course not…talk about the ultimate RINO though…

AUINSC on September 30, 2010 at 9:53 PM

Focus.

Focus here people.

GardenGnome on September 30, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Of course not…talk about the ultimate RINO though…

AUINSC on September 30, 2010 at 9:53 PM

The RNC has the checkbook ready.

ddrintn on September 30, 2010 at 9:54 PM

63% of those polled want four more years of Obama.

As a whole, our nation is dumber than I thought. I’d like to know why they want more of this incompetent thin-skinned community organizer.

fogw on September 30, 2010 at 9:54 PM

I think Hill would do quite well against Nobama. All the Dims that are unhappy with Zero but can’t bring themselves to vote for a Pub would vote her in a heartbeat.

joejm65 on September 30, 2010 at 9:54 PM

I didn’t know they are selling Hillary blow-up dolls.

txag92 on September 30, 2010 at 9:57 PM

You don’t suppose HRC would consider a late-in-life political conversion — do you?

Ok, I’ve had a very bad 3 years, 1 year, 3 weeks, week, and not such a good day today, and that almost made me laugh.

As for why her numbers are low, I wonder about the “work stress effect”. Her current position (under Obowma, as you note) requires a grueling travel schedule that puts years on a persons face, and there’s always a camera there in your face. I don’t buy so much into the “Hillary’s doing a good job” meme, because she’s really not, but she has been out there trying, and failing, and looking old and tired. Not so good for the white knight role.

peski on September 30, 2010 at 10:00 PM

So Palin polls higher than Hillary?

Amadeus on September 30, 2010 at 10:02 PM

Sure, Hillary will try to give Obama a run for his money in the primaries and at the Dem Convention. Might even snag the nomination.

But get elected? 2012?

They only way that’ll happen is if Obama really messes things up between 2010 and 2012.

Or, if the GOP-controlled Congress turns stupid between 2010 and 2012.

Or it the GOP decides to listen once again to the MSM and chose a nominee who suits what the MSM pundits demand…a bland, easy-going, compromise-prone, sorta conservative, but an aisle crosser sort of candidate…like we ended up with in 2008.

Yes. Obama can mess things up even worse betwen now and 2012.

Yes, a GOP-controlled Congress could easily turn stupid between now and 2012.

And yes, we could end up with one of those bland candidates, easy-going, compromise-prone, sorta conservative, but an aisle crosser. After, we’ve done it before.

Hate to say it, but the Cankle-in-Chief may have a shot at it after all.

coldwarrior on September 30, 2010 at 10:03 PM

63% of those polled want four more years of Obama.

As a whole, our nation is dumber than I thought. I’d like to know why they want more of this incompetent thin-skinned community organizer.

fogw on September 30, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Where do you see the 63%

amerpundit on September 30, 2010 at 10:05 PM

OT: Just saw a ticker on Greta that Grayson and Palin are in an online war — anyone know what this is about?

John the Libertarian on September 30, 2010 at 10:07 PM

You don’t suppose HRC would consider a late-in-life political conversion — do you?

Yeah right.

Since we’re playing the fantasy league politics, lets say the RNC’s embrace of Hilzilla is the final trigger that provokes the Tea Party folks into storming and burning the RNC HQ to the ground.

Sounds like a lose-win to me.

CPT. Charles on September 30, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Lance Murdock on September 30, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Beat me to it…

Seven Percent Solution on September 30, 2010 at 10:09 PM

The awful truth is that Secretary Clinton has some significant challenges to overcome with her public perception, especially considering her apparent role in “the massive campaign to keep humans subdued.”

ironman on September 30, 2010 at 10:10 PM

Where do you see the 63%

amerpundit on September 30, 2010 at 10:05 PM

63% of Liberals. My bad.

fogw on September 30, 2010 at 10:10 PM

Hillary can’t run against Obama anyway. As a member of his cabinet, she’d look like a backstabber.

…which might explain the 37% in the hypothetical.

calbear on September 30, 2010 at 10:16 PM

I hate them equally. I was thinking about this yesterday. From election night 2004 on, I swore it would be Hillary/Obama ’08. I’m glad it wasn’t because Hill & Bill would be out there doing the exact same thing Obama’s doing now and Obama would be effectively maintaining their power, unlike Biden. We would have been 100% worse off, if that’s even possible.

Connie on September 30, 2010 at 10:18 PM

DOTUS/CANKLES 2012!!!

PappyD61 on September 30, 2010 at 10:22 PM

http://twitter.com/sarahpalinusa

for John

ted c on September 30, 2010 at 10:23 PM

Connie I think HRC would relented on the Hillrycare V2 a lot faster then Obama still hasn’t say what you will (a lot) the Clintons are more perceptive to what the public (usually) wants and to political suicide.

Silverwolf on September 30, 2010 at 10:23 PM

It took time to free the slaves!

lorien1973 on September 30, 2010 at 10:24 PM

Silverwolf on September 30, 2010 at 10:23 PM

Because Bill just wants to be loved. Hillary, on the other hand, doesn’t really care – she has a thicker skin. Maybe you’re right. Maybe not.

Connie on September 30, 2010 at 10:27 PM

Devil with a blue dress on, come on Hillary.

Dhuka on September 30, 2010 at 10:28 PM

keep laughing guys. Romney 12/Hillary 16. Bet on it. Orrr OJohnson as Chris Wallace almost called Obummer today, will step down so HRC can run in 12, she would never challenge him

but I would caution folks to recall that ALL the ‘polling’ showed O with leads over HRC, he outspent her like crazy and we kept kicking his skinny axx all over the map.

It was a tactical error on caucuses and stupid-delegate koolaid kickback swilling that cost us 08, and look where we are now.

anyone who doesnt think HRC, who is ya know, a capitalist and a hawk, wouldnt be better than Obummer is still suffering CDS.

Hillary is THE most popular person in Team O excepting Gates and Woodwards book indicates HRC is MORE supportive of the military than Gates

Even $ says Obummer offers HRC Defense to keep her there IF he gets convinced to run

If the GOP doesnt respond to we Tea Party Patriots, yes that includes we HRC PUMA Dems, who BTW went out and voted for your crapulent POTUS candidate in 08 UNLIKE millions of GOP voters, cough cough, anyway, if the GOP does not ‘do the right thing’, Obummer will get passionate and veto tax cuts and shxt and fire up his base going populist if that happens he will WANT to run again, he likes the campaign, not the job.

then you will lose in 12 and we will be fxcked

OR, The GOP can get fiscally conservative as we Tea Party Patriots and DLC Dems and Indies and conservatives want them to, and Romney will win in 12 kicking Obummers APATHETIC axx out.

THEN if the GOP gets drunk on its majority, as it did under DUBYAH, HRC will sweep up the Indies and Dems when we come home in 16

Im tellin ya, I have said Brown would win AP laughed, I said Palin would run for VEEP the Dems laughed, Obama won b/c HRC and Big DAWG WORKED THEIR axxes off campaigning in PA OH IN to get the unconvinced Dems and the right did not come out to vote

Gallupp is dissing HRC to try to stop the narrative that she should replace incompetent Obummer. and you are shooting yourselves in the foot when you attack the Clintons over and over like its 1998.

You must not get it still AP, LOOK at what a REAL IDEOLOGUE is doing to this country. CEOs would give their left nut to have HRC in the WH instead of Obummer.

back to GOTV for this year, when I am working my Dem PUMA axx off to win GOP seats, I hope conservatives can stay on target this year, stop dissing we PUMAS we had the right idea and said FRAK YOU when they pushed this idiot on us, many GOPers never pushed back on Dubyah who was MORE LIBERAL SPENDING than Big Dawg ANY FRAKING DAY

GOTV!

ginaswo on September 30, 2010 at 10:35 PM

This is a joke…right…
hahahahahahahahahahaha…
no jerry…it was a test poll…dumb a$$…
hahahaha…
These people are so transparent…

jerrytbg on September 30, 2010 at 10:37 PM

I wish they would poll that one per Bubba v Obummer. The truth is that Hillary was every bit as unqualified as Obama. We all know why it was fine to put up any babbling idiot against McCain or anybody else who had the (R) beside their name. Next time people will pay a little more attention. The current probable GOP candidates all have serious issues.

Southernblogger on September 30, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Gina,
I shall ponder your thoughts…interesting…

jerrytbg on September 30, 2010 at 10:47 PM

I don’t trust Gallup polling any further than I can spit.

Oink on September 30, 2010 at 10:53 PM

the Clintons are more perceptive to what the public (usually) wants and to political suicide.

Silverwolf on September 30, 2010 at 10:23 PM

That’s true, which makes valid my bigger point. With my scenario, Hillary would have been a two-termer and would have gotten some form of HealthCare done in her second term anyway. As it is now, the Clintons fear they will never have their chance and they shouldn’t.

Connie on September 30, 2010 at 10:56 PM

There was a REASON Obama put Hillary on the cabinet he knew he was going to crash the worst. And it wasn’t to improve her polling numbers.

Obama’s motto is a variation on the old adage: Give your friends all the power, and give your enemies all the responsibility.

logis on September 30, 2010 at 10:58 PM

ginaswo on September 30, 2010 at 10:35 PM

Hillary looks like crap. Growing her hair out is going to make her the Palin of the left.

Connie on September 30, 2010 at 10:59 PM

oops Hillary looks like crap. Growing her hair out is NOT going to make her the Palin of the left.

Connie on September 30, 2010 at 10:59 PM

Connie on September 30, 2010 at 11:01 PM

So Gallup is dead on when it comes to Obama vs Palin but way off when it comes to Obama vs hillary? ok got it.

How about a better explanation Gallup is crap polls.

I think hillary and Palin would poll much better than this. Unless of course sexism is bigger than I thought in this country. At this point I’ll take anyone but a RINO over Obama.

unseen on September 30, 2010 at 11:02 PM

Hillary is, after all, part of Obama’s cabinet, so while she’s thought of as being more centrist than him generally

But not deservedly….

Lifetime Senate ACU Ratings:

Clinton 8.1
Obama 10.0

He’s remembered as a centrist Democrat

Not really deservedly either …. even after 94 he wasn’t as centrist as he is retrospectively painted now, and if he hadn’t been pushed he would have been every bit the lefty Obama was.

You don’t suppose HRC would consider a late-in-life political conversion — do you?

Please. I wish people would just stop this. Even as a joke. This is the last person the Republican Party should ever “take in”.

Dreadnought on September 30, 2010 at 11:09 PM

I fully support Barry. Beat her down. Let them bloody each other to the max.

bayview on September 30, 2010 at 11:09 PM

Polling Billy and Hopey. Billy with a cigar….

Interesting data in the poll.

So 63% liberals still support him after all that beating and abuse by Gibby. What else can prostitutes do the morning after?

66% college graduates support him. Because they can take their time and stay on their parents policy for 26 years.

antisocial on September 30, 2010 at 11:19 PM

note that the only demographic where Hillary beats Obama is among conservative Democrats.

Both of them?

Midas on September 30, 2010 at 11:22 PM

The problem with Hillary is that she’s been even more invisible and ineffectual as SecState than Condi Rice was.

It’s as if she’s in a cage in Gitmo or something, and they only let her out for things the White House doesn’t want to run itself.

JEM on October 1, 2010 at 1:10 AM

If Hillary leaves SoS at the end of this year, it means she is running. Two years at a tough position like SoS is not abandoning Bammie.

After this November the way will be clear for democratics to criticize Bammie, and the floodgates will open. Blacks will remain somewhat loyal, like ~75%. Most other democratics will abandon him. They know that if they stick with Bammie, another beating is a certainty in 2012.

Hillary will announce midyear 2011; by that time Bammie will be in the mid-thirties. Yes it will tear apart the democratic party 1968-style. It will be a beautiful thing to see.

Hillary’s political clock is ticking in her ear like Big Ben. In January of 2013 she will be 66, already long in the tooth. For her it’s now or never.

slickwillie2001 on October 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM

The truth is that Hillary was every bit as unqualified as Obama…

Southernblogger on September 30, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Yep. We laughed at Bammie’s chief qualification as a ‘community organizer’, but Hillary’s principal resume entry was ‘wife of president’.

slickwillie2001 on October 1, 2010 at 1:54 AM

Hillary is a white female Obama.

No experience, a far-left past desperately masked, slow to learn, thin-skinned, arrogant and unaccomplished outside of promotions that were handed to her.

Why not just keep the lousy president you do know?

NoDonkey on October 1, 2010 at 2:27 AM

Woopee!

The Hillnagry doesn’t match the Oblowhard…

Who in their right mind would want to go with someone who might be even a notch less uniting for the conservatives in the US that Oblowhard himself?

drfredc on October 1, 2010 at 2:31 AM

nope

rob verdi on October 1, 2010 at 5:25 AM

If Hillary stepped up and ran against Obama – she would get no prisoners this time – and the last time was pretty brutal to use as a floor.

jake-the-goose on October 1, 2010 at 7:04 AM

Clinton is as useless a SOS as her two predecessors.

Basilsbest on October 1, 2010 at 7:36 AM

Tis the silly season for polling. Hillary isn’t going to challenge Obama.

I’m wondering if she’ll last to 2012 in her position, frankly. Clearly, she’ll stay for awhile, until the Iraeli talks fall apart, anyway.

AnninCA on October 1, 2010 at 7:49 AM

LOL – I can see the speech now. “I didn’t leave the Democrat party it left me…” as millions of her fans switch parties to perform their own iteration of operation chaos.
Hillary is Palin’s worst nightmare.

Bradky on October 1, 2010 at 8:09 AM

Hillary/Huckabee 2012

The Centrist and the Conscience!

Bradky on October 1, 2010 at 8:12 AM

Like I’ve been saying for several years, Hillary was not electable in 2008. This was why Barack and the Chicago Boyz were brought in.

Sekhmet on October 1, 2010 at 8:50 AM

McCain-Hillary 2012

Country First Ego Second!

Bradky on October 1, 2010 at 8:55 AM

America is done with the Clintons.

fossten on October 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM

Like I’ve been saying for several years, Hillary was not electable in 2008. This was why Barack and the Chicago Boyz were brought in.

Sekhmet on October 1, 2010 at 8:50 AM

Well, I disagree, but I supported her fully. Hillary was an excellent presidential candidate: Informed, savvy, and sensible.

However, she had one huge problem. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.

It just wasn’t going to be popular to continue this pattern. Up rides Obama, a black man, and that really grabbed voters as being the way out.

That would end the racial divide, right?

No, and I knew it wouldn’t. But I can’t blame voters for letting that influence them. He sounded informed, even though his resume was weak.

My own take at that time? We couldn’t afford a weak resume. It calls for too much time getting up to speed, and we didn’t have that time.

I still think I was right. I also worried what would happen when thoughtless people endowing him with skills he didn’t have would do to minorities in this country. They need opportunities to demonstrate real skills, not given fantasy skills based on emotionalism. I worried about the overall impact.

I still think I was right about that, too. It’s going to be painful.

But, Hillary will not run against Obama. He is the standing Dem president, and she will NOT mount a campaign. Hillary is not like Kennedy.

Moreover, her “mark” in history is set. She didn’t get to be president, but she’s definitely important.

She’ll retire from US politics, join Bill in the Global Initiative, and that’s honestly a lot more rewarding in not only terms of effectivity but also stress levels.

I admire the Clintons because they turned their time in the WH into an opportunity to do something globally that is pure-dee good for people.

And that’s honestly their schtick. Always was.

I call them the “Methodists” of politics. :)

AnninCA on October 1, 2010 at 9:20 AM

I think there’s a lot of aversion to an issue that would rent the Crat party. But if the issue reaches a tipping point, Clinton would walk over Obama. Though just as radical, she tempers it much more, and she’s more experienced in leadership and inherently far more qualified. Whatever happens, may they both lose.

paul1149 on October 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM

You don’t suppose HRC would consider a late-in-life political conversion — do you?

Perhaps, but we wouldn’t. We’re just getting this party back on the right track, Hillary would not be consistent with that.

jnelchef on October 1, 2010 at 10:06 AM

In a primary all Hillary has to do is hand the media a folder with her college transcripts, entry application, bar exam results, and say to the Bamster, -your turn.

slickwillie2001 on October 1, 2010 at 10:08 AM

So a very slim majority of Democrats want to re-nominate Obama in 2012? Not exactly good numbers for the incumbent.
By the way, the Carter-Kennedy primary in 1980 ended with Carter 51% Kennedy 37%….

Also consider the fact that Hillary has been a good team player so far. What is she resigns in disgust after the 2010 election and annouces she will challenge a significantly weaken Obama in 2012? Her numbers would go higher, guaranteed.

Remember the Clintons have already been in a proxy war with Obama through primary contests this year. Take the CO Senate DEM primary as one example.

Norwegian on October 1, 2010 at 12:18 PM

A poll like this depends on circumstance. Currently Hillary is an Obama loyalist. She will poll lower.

If Hillary was divorced from the Obama-wagon, say by a serious Obama scandal requiring a regretful public declaration, the poll would be different.
Deference makes the differnce when polling loyalistas

entagor on October 1, 2010 at 2:05 PM