Finding out what’s in ObamaCare: McDonald’s needs waiver for health-care coverage for hourly workers

posted at 2:55 pm on September 30, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

No good deed goes unpunished.  McDonald’s takes a lot of heat for the nutritive value of its menu, usually from self-assigned food nannies, but the company did try to find ways to improve the health of its part-time staff by offering them a low-cost health insurance plan that was affordable and effective.  That effort will have to end, thanks to ObamaCare, which mandates that certain percentages of revenue have to go to claims rather than administrative costs.  That will leave tens of thousands with no option for coverage except expensive comprehensive plans they can neither afford nor really need:

McDonald’s Corp. has warned federal regulators that it could drop its health insurance plan for nearly 30,000 hourly restaurant workers unless regulators waive a new requirement of the U.S. health overhaul.

The move is one of the clearest indications that new rules may disrupt workers’ health plans as the law ripples through the real world.

Trade groups representing restaurants and retailers say low-wage employers might halt their coverage if the government doesn’t loosen a requirement for “mini-med” plans, which offer limited benefits to some 1.4 million Americans.

The “mini-med” plans offer limited coverage, mainly for routine checkups and acute issues, in exchange for very low rates.  The Wall Street Journal reports that the annual cost of the McDonald’s plan was $728 for an annual maximum of $2000 in payouts, or $1664 for an annual maximum of $10,000.  The premiums were paid each week by the hourly workers whose employment is so volatile that the administrative expense of keeping up with enrollments goes much higher than with traditional employer-based coverage.  For that reason, and because this is a low-risk pool that utilizes the health-care system less frequently than other populations, the plan spent more than 20% of its revenues on administration.

In the ObamaCare world, however, that is no longer allowed.  Regardless of whether the employees and the employer believe the service to be valuable, the federal government has decreed a cost-to-revenue structure that forbids this kind of offering.  McDonald’s and other retailers want an exemption, but it’s difficult to see how HHS will justify it.  The intent of Congress and this administration clearly aimed at exactly these kind of plans — the nimble, niche, low-cost plans for younger and healthier people who don’t need expensive comprehensive health insurance.  They want those people in larger plans to subsidize the risk for those who will now get policies under mandates to cover pre-existing conditions and adult offspring of customers.

In other words, this isn’t a bug at all.  It’s a feature.

However, it once again exposes the dishonesty of Barack Obama’s insistence that those who liked their coverage could keep their coverage.  It also exposes the damage done when politicians in Washington assume the arrogance to reorder an entire industry — two of them in this case, insurance and health care — without any extensive experience or knowledge of either.  To lift a slogan from a McDonald’s competitor, we can’t have it our way any longer.

Note: ABC reports that McDonald’s is denying that it intends to dump the plan, but the WSJ has a memo from McDonald’s asking HHS for a waiver on this mandate:

The Wall Street Journal reviewed a memo by McDonald’s, asking federal officials to determine if their most basic health insurance plans can be exempted from the medical loss ratiorequirements of the new health care law. The law requires that 80-85 percent of the premiums received go directly to patient care, not to other expenses like overhead, executive salaries or dividends for shareholders.

The McDonald’s plan, according to the report, has higher overhead costs because it provides insurance to a highly transient population of hourly workers in its restaurants and would not likely meet the minimum requirements of the new law.

HHS today called the story premature, saying guidance on the new medical loss ratio rules have not even been issued.

New rules will be implemented after the National Association of Insurance Commissioners submits its report, due at the end of the year. The NAIC is still soliciting comments on its draft proposal.

“The medical loss ratio isn’t even settled,” Sebelius said at a reporters’ breakfast organized by the Christian Science Monitor. “As soon as we have a regulation that has a process in it we will begin those discussions.”

What happens if they don’t get the waiver?  They’ll have to dump the plan, regardless of the hedging today by McDonald’s.

And so we come to another problem with ObamaCare: regulatory uncertainty.  The “loss ratios” should have been set by Congress as part of the bill (or not set at all, and left to the market) so that employers could plan for coverage options — which have to be settled by about this time to get enrollments set for 2011.  It’s been more than six months since ObamaCare’s passage, and no one can tell employers yet what the rules are?  Apparently, no one in the government understands the bill, nor do they understand that employers have to negotiate with insurers for plans months ahead of enrollment to budget properly for the next year.

And Democrats wonder why businesses aren’t hiring.

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crr6

fossten on September 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Just a clever stunt by McDonalds to keep Happy Meal toys!

WashJeff on September 30, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Please, overlords can in DC, can we please have permission?

lorien1973 on September 30, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Obviously, this is payback for McDonald’s not contributing enough to Obama’s Illinois political campaigns in his early days.

VastRightWingConspirator on September 30, 2010 at 2:58 PM

I won’t be the only one to post this…you have to pass the bill to find out what is in it.
This is just the beginning…Obamacare will either be overturned, taken apart, or it will ruin free enterprise in the U.S.

right2bright on September 30, 2010 at 2:59 PM

I’m Not Lovin’ It.

Cicero43 on September 30, 2010 at 3:00 PM

I’d sooner trust Mayor McCheese to run the country than Obama.

PackerBronco on September 30, 2010 at 3:00 PM

If it was not for the awesome governance of the state of IL, I am sure McDonald’s would move their HQ out of Oak Brook in protest.

WashJeff on September 30, 2010 at 3:02 PM

You have to pass the Big Mac to find out what’s in it.

DrAllecon on September 30, 2010 at 3:03 PM

What they ‘offered’ was a joke, but even a joke is better than nothing at all.

Dark-Star on September 30, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Du-du du du du … ain’t lovin’ it.

Ed, you can’t do that to me in the middle of lunch. My laptop keyboard will never be the same…

beatcanvas on September 30, 2010 at 3:04 PM

If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

It is kind of admirable, in it’s own way, that Barry can still say this without choking on it.

DeweyWins on September 30, 2010 at 3:04 PM

The laws should be such that businesses should never have to ask for a “waver”.

Count to 10 on September 30, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Expect to pay $3 for 99 cent meals, I think.

DarthBrooks on September 30, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Gub-ment beancounters meet Corp Accountants. Film at 11.

Limerick on September 30, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Obama can’t issue a waiver to Mickey D’s. Then he’ll have to give one to every company. Which would render the bill meaningless.

Doughboy on September 30, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Agents were being told last year that the Mid-Med Insurance Policy was the next big thing. Of course, that was before the reality of Obamacare.

kingsjester on September 30, 2010 at 3:07 PM

How is Julio taking the news?

onlineanalyst on September 30, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Sebelius gets all thuggish with McD’s in 3… 2… 1…

WordsMatter on September 30, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Quick MSM, find that spastic Julio fellow from the campaign and ask him about this. Hello? MSM? MSM? You remember this guy, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY84fF2hzhY

rogerb on September 30, 2010 at 3:08 PM

AP, for whatever reason, didn’t see the need to post Palin’s comprehensive piece on the lies of Obamacare last week. Maybe he’ll post this article.

Hey, AP, you never did tell us why her FB post was unworthy of your attention even though the subject was broached numerous times by other commentors. Why is that? Are you going to ignore this question again?

NoNails on September 30, 2010 at 3:08 PM

You have to pass the Big Mac to find out what’s in it.

DrAllecon on September 30, 2010 at 3:03 PM

groan

mikeyboss on September 30, 2010 at 3:09 PM

And the hits just keep ooooonnnnn coming!

What a shock, having no idea what was in the bill leads to major issues for companies and their employees.

VikingGoneWild on September 30, 2010 at 3:09 PM

It’s been more than six months since ObamaCare’s passage, and no one can tell employers yet what the rules are?

Of course not! How many sections begin with “The Secretary shall determine….” or “The Secretary shall decide……”

Hey, it’s not like businesses try to plan ahead or anything.

GarandFan on September 30, 2010 at 3:11 PM

“right2bright on September 30, 2010 at 2:59 PM”

We need to repeal it. It contains no separation clause so my understanding is that it’s not possible to legally invalidate just a part of it.

dogsoldier on September 30, 2010 at 3:12 PM

*taps foot incessantly* Still waiting. I was promised that if this crap on paper passed, I would love it, and so would millions of other people. I’m still waiting to find out what’s in this bill that we’re supposed to love?

capejasmine on September 30, 2010 at 3:13 PM

You have to pass the Big Mac to find out what’s in it.

DrAllecon on September 30, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Two-all-beef-patties-special-sauce-lettuce-cheese-pickles-onion-on-a-sesame-seed-bun.

I can’t imagine what a commercial about Obamacare would be like.

Lily on September 30, 2010 at 3:14 PM

And so we come to another problem with ObamaCare: regulatory uncertainty. 

Good thing we’re not on the verge of a double dip recession…

Make that, not on the verge of the Obama Depression.

Chip on September 30, 2010 at 3:14 PM

I’d sooner trust Mayor McCheese to run the country than Obama.

PackerBronco on September 30, 2010 at 3:00 PM

ROFLMAO!!! You and me both! LOL

capejasmine on September 30, 2010 at 3:14 PM

If you like your special sauce, you get to keep your special sauce. Really. We insist.

ya2daup on September 30, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Look at the bright side. More fry cooks will be coughing on your patties.

Limerick on September 30, 2010 at 3:16 PM

I can’t imagine what a commercial about Obamacare would be like.

Lily on September 30, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Just look at the Andy Griffith fiasco.

kingsjester on September 30, 2010 at 3:17 PM

We need more businesses to talk about this stuff loudly. I wonder if this memo was “leaked” on purpose to shine a light on the issue and pressure the mis-administration into acting. If so, it seems like a good strategy to me…

crashland on September 30, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Count it!

crr6

fossten on September 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Heh!

Lanceman on September 30, 2010 at 3:24 PM

This is clearly Bush’s fault. He ate there once, don’t you know?

Asher on September 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM

Mayor McCheesy strikes again. Wonder what the health benefit plans look like at Ray’s Hell Burger, since the president favors gourmet burger joints.

jon1979 on September 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM

Excuse me, sir, would you happen to have any Grey Poupon?

TheBigOldDog on September 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM

Obama can’t issue a waiver to Mickey D’s. Then he’ll have to give one to every company. Which would render the bill meaningless.

Doughboy on September 30, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Dear Liar will look to see how much in campaign contributions a business has given the Fascist-Democrats.

It’s the Chicago Way

rbj on September 30, 2010 at 3:26 PM

Obama soon to be kicked in the @$$ by a size 46 clown shoe. When you can piss Ronald McDonald off, you’re screwed!

jimmy2shoes on September 30, 2010 at 3:26 PM

I remember the famous Julio from Florida during the 2008 campaign. I thought he worked for McDonald’s, and he was complaining that he didn’t get health insurance coverage. I guess he was complaining that he wasn’t getting freebie health-insurance coverage. It’s nice to know that he just didn’t want to pay the premium and, instead, used that money for dope and whatnot. All the same, I’m comforted to know that he’s the core of Obama’s support.

By the way, if we don’t like our president, does that mean we don’t have to keep our president?

BuckeyeSam on September 30, 2010 at 3:26 PM

“If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

WisCon on September 30, 2010 at 3:26 PM

By the way, if we don’t like our president, does that mean we don’t have to keep our president?

BuckeyeSam on September 30, 2010 at 3:26 PM

Unfortunately, we have to wait until the open enrollment period in 2012 barring something unexpected happening.

teke184 on September 30, 2010 at 3:28 PM

crr6 said she would trade one election cycle to pass what the libs have been trying to get for decades.

Well, sweetheart, you got what you wanted both ways.

Bishop on September 30, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Obviously Sibelius has snapped her whip at MacDonalds to keep them in line and they are now playing nice.

I have a friend who has a business in the SW and he offered his employees a health care plan which cost the employees $1,200 a year. But now it is less expensive for him to pay a fine and his employees can now go on the free Obamacare system which will cost them between $450 and $900 per month.
It’s a wonderful system. Can’t we see that?

Dhuka on September 30, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Maybe Joe can talk them into offer the BetaMac instead of the BigMac.

Limerick on September 30, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Two-all-beef-patties-special-sauce-lettuce-cheese-pickles-onion-on-a-sesame-seed-bun.

I can’t imagine what a commercial about Obamacare would be like.

Lily on September 30, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Two-obese-Patties-Special-Ross-Lester-Snead-pickin’-bunyuns-on-a-Sesame-Street-bus.

Sorry, it’s the punch line from a really bad joke…oh wait.

AubieJon on September 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM

“The medical loss ratio isn’t even settled,” Sebelius said at a reporters’ breakfast organized by the Christian Science Monitor. “As soon as we have a regulation that has a process in it we will begin those discussions.”

.
Egg (McMuffin) on her face!

dont taze me bro on September 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM

What about Julio Osegueda?!?!?! a little heartache for Obama’s little buddy……awwww

ted c on September 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM

The authors of that miserable bill probably wanted as many corporations as possible to drop their company benefit plan in favor of the government plan. The objective has always been a single payer system, this just helps.

fourdeucer on September 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM

“The medical loss ratio isn’t even settled,” Sebelius said at a reporters’ breakfast organized by the Christian Science Monitor. “As soon as we have a regulation that has a process in it we will begin those discussions.”

So the lead person who will interpret if you are obeying the law, doesn’t know what the law says. Great…
She was the one upset last week about insurers and employers telling their employees and customers what they must do to compy with the law? How does she know that they are wrong, if she doesn’t know what is correct?

barnone on September 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Dear Liar will look to see how much in campaign contributions a business has given the Fascist-Democrats.

It’s the Chicago Way

rbj on September 30, 2010 at 3:26 PM

That’s probably his first instinct as a Chicago thug politician, but that doesn’t work when governing the entire country. If he starts playing favorites with the health care law in exchange for campaign contributions, he’ll get impeached.

Doughboy on September 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Once again, it’s not about health care, it’s about redistribution of income. End of story.

rjoco1 on September 30, 2010 at 3:34 PM

cur6 indeed.

Lanceman on September 30, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Watched Fox’s in-house liberal nitwit, Shep Smith, yesterday talking about the healthcare bill. He couldn’t understand why people are angry; they should be jumping for joy — don’t these dopes understand that they’re now going to get their mammograms and colonoscopies for free?

Had to just shake my head. Smith is so typical of liberals and the idiotic way they think: Mammograms and colonoscopies are good, so people should have them, but they don’t get them as often as they should, because they cost hundreds of dollars. Hey, let’s pass a law that says insurance companies can’t charge people for them! That’ll solve the problem!

Who cares that health care providers have to shell out many thousands of dollars for the machines that perform the mammogram scans and the colonoscopies? Who cares that the nurses and technicians who perform the scans and scopes on the patients have to be paid, as do the doctors who review and interpret the results? Who cares that the health care providers bill the insurance companies hundreds of dollars for each patient’s mammogram and/or colonoscopy? Who cares that the insurance companies, in order to stay in business, have to pass those costs on to their insureds? The libs want the tests to be “free” and therefore they declare them to be “free” and, presto! they’re now “free” and you dumb rubes should be thanking us (no matter how much your premiums have increased).

Damn bunch of fools.

AZCoyote on September 30, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Doughboy on September 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Those are some good points, how does PBHO grant a waiver for one but not another? The lawsuits alone would this thing up for decades while those waiting to file would claim they need a legal decision before implementing anything.

Bishop on September 30, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Unfortunately, we have to wait until the open enrollment period in 2012 barring something unexpected happening.

teke184 on September 30, 2010 at 3:28 PM

2012 open enrollment period, I like that! The GOP should use it in ads.

Missy on September 30, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Count it!

crr6

fossten on September 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Heh!

Lanceman on September 30, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Stay classy now.

Hugs, crr6

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2010 at 3:39 PM

“Over 300 Million Got Served”

mrt721 on September 30, 2010 at 3:40 PM

This isn’t really an insurance plan. Coverage ends when someone has no more than $10,000 of expenses annually. And the employees have to also pay co-pays, making the employee’s cost more than the $728/$1664.

McDonald’s could get around these rules by having a self-funded plan, rather than an insured plan.

And, finally, it’s not clear that McDonald’s is actually spending more than 20% on administration. What it said was that it couldn’t meet the 85% loss ratio test that the larger plans meet. It could be pocketing some of the premiums itself as extra profit.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Who actually wrote this Bill?

Maybe Democrats could have hearings to find out.

They could be asked “what in hell were you thinking”?

Oh right, Democrats recessed in order to campaign.

If they had any reason or decency, they would use that time to pen a short resignation letter then self-exile themselves, permanently.

NoDonkey on September 30, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Their plan is to run all private insurance out of business. It’s working as designed.

roux on September 30, 2010 at 3:45 PM

The government may allow some low-cost plans like those offered at McDonald’s, which have limited benefits, to get waivers from the health law’s insurance requirements, according to a Sept. 3 Health and Human Services memo. Those requirements were waived for McDonald’s on Sept. 24, Santillo said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-30/mcdonald-s-seeks-health-care-waiver-may-seek-alternative-plan-for-workers.html

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 3:48 PM

This isn’t really an insurance plan. Coverage ends when someone has no more than $10,000 of expenses annually. And the employees have to also pay co-pays, making the employee’s cost more than the $728/$1664.

McDonald’s could get around these rules by having a self-funded plan, rather than an insured plan.

And, finally, it’s not clear that McDonald’s is actually spending more than 20% on administration. What it said was that it couldn’t meet the 85% loss ratio test that the larger plans meet. It could be pocketing some of the premiums itself as extra profit.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Or they can drop it altogether and make them Medicaid’s problem.

Chuck Schick on September 30, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Oops. Looked at another story. Looks like McD was granted a waiver for another provision.

McDonald’s, based in Oak Brook, Illinois, was granted an exemption to one of the health-law’s provisions on Sept. 24, the health department’s Santillo said in an e-mail. It is seeking another waiver for the rule still being developed that requires plans to spend at least 85 percent of premiums on medical care, known as the “medical loss ratio.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-30/cigna-restaurants-seek-health-law-waivers-on-covering-low-wage-employees.html

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 3:54 PM

I recall a few years that a “McDonalds” question was used on a game show. The question had something to do with the percentage of high-ranking people in business who got their first job as kids at McDonalds. I recall that I was blown away by the number. I don’t frequent the place, but they do provide entry level jobs for a LOT of youngsters.

oldleprechaun on September 30, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Or they can drop it altogether and make them Medicaid’s problem.

Chuck Schick on September 30, 2010 at 3:53 PM

I’m sure it’s already Medicare’s (or the hospital’s problem with uninsured people) for most of these employees when they hit the annual limits. I don’t think many of McD’s employees have several hundred thousand saved to pay for medical expenses when they hit the $2,000/$10,000 cap on annual benefits.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 3:56 PM

I’m sure it’s already Medicare’s (or the hospital’s problem with uninsured people) for most of these employees when they hit the annual limits. I don’t think many of McD’s employees have several hundred thousand saved to pay for medical expenses when they hit the $2,000/$10,000 cap on annual benefits.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 3:56 PM

So now the state can pick up the whole bill.

Chuck Schick on September 30, 2010 at 3:56 PM

We knew this was a Kroc long ago.

mikeyboss on September 30, 2010 at 3:57 PM

it’s a shame ed’s only interested in inciting, not informing, his readers.

sesquipedalian on September 30, 2010 at 3:57 PM

This isn’t really an insurance plan. Coverage ends when someone has no more than $10,000 of expenses annually. And the employees have to also pay co-pays, making the employee’s cost more than the $728/$1664.

Get real. Nearly everyone has to pay co-pays – or they don’t go to the doctor and hence don’t pay at all. That is why the cost of insuranace plans to the individual are discussed in terms of the total cost of premiums.

As long as the premiums add up to less than $10K/year, then yes, it is an insurance plan.

Missy on September 30, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Get real. Nearly everyone has to pay co-pays – or they don’t go to the doctor and hence don’t pay at all. That is why the cost of insuranace plans to the individual are discussed in terms of the total cost of premiums.

As long as the premiums add up to less than $10K/year, then yes, it is an insurance plan.

Missy on September 30, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Actually, no, Missy. The lowest plan maxes out at $2,000 a year. What it is is a plan where McDonalds in effect pays no more than $100 a month for employee health coverage, for the lowest plan ($2,000 less $768).

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:01 PM

There is one way to kill obamacare for good. Have the republicans pass a flier that states nobody, no matter how rich, where they work, what they own, is exempt from the law.
Bango, obamacare repeal in 10 seconds.

BruceB on September 30, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Get real. Nearly everyone has to pay co-pays – or they don’t go to the doctor and hence don’t pay at all. That is why the cost of insuranace plans to the individual are discussed in terms of the total cost of premiums.

As long as the premiums add up to less than $10K/year, then yes, it is an insurance plan.

Missy on September 30, 2010 at 3:58 PM

You are right of course. The only folks that don’t have co-pays are likely those in fatcat unions and government employees, and because they live in a cocoon they don’t realize how unusual that situation is. All plans should have co-pays, in fact it should be mandated if government must be involved, as co-pays reduce trivial overuse.

slickwillie2001 on September 30, 2010 at 4:02 PM

So now the state can pick up the whole bill.

Chuck Schick on September 30, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Yeah. Instead of paying $300,000 for indigent care, it would only have to pay $298,000 or $290,000.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Actually, no, Missy. The lowest plan maxes out at $2,000 a year. What it is is a plan where McDonalds in effect pays no more than $100 a month for employee health coverage, for the lowest plan ($2,000 less $768).

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Okay then, let me rephrase that. As long as the coverage exceeds the total of premiums paid, it is an insurance plan. It may not be a comprehensive insurance plan, but if it allows the employee access to more coverage than he/she pays in premiums, it’s insurance.

Missy on September 30, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Watched Fox’s in-house liberal nitwit, Shep Smith…

AZCoyote on September 30, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Agreed, Shemp is a complete nitwit. It appears to me that many or most foks simply don’t understand the concept of insurance. For that I have to blame government schools.

slickwillie2001 on September 30, 2010 at 4:04 PM

it’s a shame ed’s only interested in inciting, not informing, his readers.

sesquipedalian on September 30, 2010 at 3:57 PM

If you actually read your own link, you would have read the part that they are in the process of changing the regulations so McDonalds doesn’t have to drop them “in the immediate future”. When all regulations are in place, those plans will go bye-bye.

Chuck Schick on September 30, 2010 at 4:04 PM

This isn’t really an insurance plan. Coverage ends when someone has no more than $10,000 of expenses annually. And the employees have to also pay co-pays, making the employee’s cost more than the $728/$1664.

So they get up to $10,000 worth of coverage for a fraction of the cost and it’s not insurance? Is redefining the language part of the dem strategery here? Do I need to pull out my newspeak dictionary?

WitchDoctor on September 30, 2010 at 4:05 PM

The democraps will find out the hard way that the party who set out purposefully to destroy the US will itself be purposefully destroyed by us.

Akzed on September 30, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Yeah. Instead of paying $300,000 for indigent care, it would only have to pay $298,000 or $290,000.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:02 PM

If Medicaid and Medicare weren’t broke, which they are.

Chuck Schick on September 30, 2010 at 4:06 PM

“If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

Obama: “Hey that statement is 92.9% accurate. Here, let me change just one little word …

“If you I like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

Obama: “There, all fixed now …”

PackerBronco on September 30, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Who actually wrote this Bill?

Maybe Democrats could have hearings to find out.

NoDonkey on September 30, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Robert Creamer wrote most of it when he was in prison. He’s the husband of Jan Schakowsky (D).

NoNails on September 30, 2010 at 4:09 PM

You Think this is good , wait until Wal Mart announces it will pay the FINE rather than insure its employees .To bad we can get more of these announcements before the election ,\. The BIGGER picture is that NONE of the insurance companies as we know them today will survive because of the 80% rule unless we have $ 1,000 deductibles and monthly premiums that exceed your house payment . FOLKS this is the path to single payer . FASCISM at its finest

ELMO Q on September 30, 2010 at 4:10 PM

It’s strange that Ed now thinks mini-med plans are good for younger people. He used to think–only a few days ago– that high-deductible, catastrophic plans for those same people:

“The real truth is that hardly anyone under 40 needs the kind of insurance policy mandated by ObamaCare. They would be much better advised to buy catastrophic insurance and pay for their minimal use of the medical system through HSAs. Most younger people take one visit to a clinic each year, which would cost arounbd $150, for a physical, a far cry from the thousands they will have to pay for ObamaCare exchange policies.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/21/insurers-to-drop-child-only-plans/

The mini-med plans offered by McDonalds are the exact opposite of the high deductible, comprehensive plans. McD’s plan has no HSA/HRA and ends coverage just when it’s needed most for serious problems.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Yeah. Instead of paying $300,000 for indigent care, it would only have to pay $298,000 or $290,000.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:02 PM

And I’ve heard that 87% of Jimbo3′s numbers are pulled out of Strawman’s butt.

dominigan on September 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM

I can’t imagine what a commercial about Obamacare would be like.

Lily on September 30, 2010 at 3:14 PM

It shouldn’t be too hard to come up with a song to tell us what’s in this flowchart. Maybe a 2 hour Schoolhouse Rock video.

DrAllecon on September 30, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Witch doctor, how does something that’s limited to $2000/$10000 maximum a year protect against “financial well being”? It’s sorta like buying “insurance” to cover no more than 5% of the replacement value of your house. Do you think your mortgage company would be happy with that sort of coverage?

Definition: Insurance is designed to protect the financial well-being of an individual, company or other entity in the case of unexpected loss.

http://www.investorwords.com/2510/insurance.html.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:15 PM

It’s strange that Ed now thinks mini-med plans are good for younger people. He used to think–only a few days ago– that high-deductible, catastrophic plans for those same people:

“The real truth is that hardly anyone under 40 needs the kind of insurance policy mandated by ObamaCare. They would be much better advised to buy catastrophic insurance and pay for their minimal use of the medical system through HSAs. Most younger people take one visit to a clinic each year, which would cost arounbd $150, for a physical, a far cry from the thousands they will have to pay for ObamaCare exchange policies.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/21/insurers-to-drop-child-only-plans/

The mini-med plans offered by McDonalds are the exact opposite of the high deductible, comprehensive plans. McD’s plan has no HSA/HRA and ends coverage just when it’s needed most for serious problems.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Good thing for them they no longer have any say in the matter.

Chuck Schick on September 30, 2010 at 4:15 PM

You Think this is good , wait until Wal Mart announces it will pay the FINE rather than insure its employees .To bad we can get more of these announcements before the election ,\. The BIGGER picture is that NONE of the insurance companies as we know them today will survive because of the 80% rule unless we have $ 1,000 deductibles and monthly premiums that exceed your house payment . FOLKS this is the path to single payer . FASCISM at its finest

ELMO Q on September 30, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Walmart self-insures. It’s not covered by these requirements because it’s a self-funded employer plan.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:16 PM

blink:

“The new rules at issue apply only to fully insured health plans and not those where the employer absorbs the risk and directly pays out medical claims. The rules wouldn’t affect Wal-Mart Stores Inc., for instance, because it is self-insured.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703431604575522413101063070.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_6

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Who actually wrote this Bill?
Maybe Democrats could have hearings to find out.
NoDonkey on September 30, 2010 at 3:45 PM

If it was a Republican bill, that would be a very hot story. God help the Republicans if an industry expert helps write a bill regulating that industry, yet the democratics time after time get away with their anti-industry ‘experts’ writing this stuff.

So who did write it? Where are the stories, the interviews, the pictures, the bios, the questions about why they wrote the bills a particular way? The American people are sold this fiction that those we elect write our laws, when in fact we are not allowed to know who does this stuff.

slickwillie2001 on September 30, 2010 at 4:28 PM

For that one individual, yes.

But you’re not counting all the other individuals that don’t exceed their limits.

The state will not be burdened with all the admin cost and all the costs below $2,000/$10,000.

You’re not very good with numbers, are you, Jimbo3?

blink on September 30, 2010 at 4:21 PM

You’re right. If there were 10,000 individuals or families with $300,000 in annual uncovered claims, it would cost the state or Medicare $3 billion. In the best plan offered by McDonald’s (with $10,000 annual maximum coverage), it would only cost the state or Medicare $2.9 billion. That’s a real significant difference. (sarc off).

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:33 PM

You’re right. If there were 10,000 individuals or families with $300,000 in annual uncovered claims, it would cost the state or Medicare $3 billion. In the best plan offered by McDonald’s (with $10,000 annual maximum coverage), it would only cost the state or Medicare $2.9 billion. That’s a real significant difference. (sarc off).

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Medicare is broke, Jimbo.

Chuck Schick on September 30, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Jimbo, I don’t know if you’re being disingenuous or not, but it seems a stretch to call the mini-meds plans the “exact opposite” of the HSA/HRA plans. They do approach things differently, but both seem to avoid the problem that Ed explicitly explains in the quote you used.

The problem is that the “standard” or mid-range plans are often not practical for younger folks who tend to have fewer medical problems. From my undersanding, the mini-med plans are cheaper alternatives that cover (quantitativley) less, and the catastrophic plans are cheaper and cover (qualitatively) less. Both are cheaper alternatives though that aren’t geared towards offsettng to costs of routine maintenence…a service that young people frequently need less of.

I guess what I’m saying is there is no “exact opposite” of the HSA/HRA plans…different plans have different elements, but it depends on which things you emphasize when determining which plans are more “opposite”. To try to paint Ed as flip-flopping on his position requires an ungracious reading of his words.

BlueCollarAstronaut on September 30, 2010 at 4:36 PM

I’d sooner trust Mayor McCheese to run the country than Obama.

PackerBronco on September 30, 2010 at 3:00 PM

I prefer Hamburglar. At least he’s honest about his intent.

BobMbx on September 30, 2010 at 4:37 PM

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