Video: Grayson taken to the woodshed by … MSNBC?

posted at 3:42 pm on September 28, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

We criticize MSNBC enough for its naked advocacy on behalf of the Democrats and Barack Obama, so in all fairness, we should note that they do have limits … and Alan Grayson apparently found them. Contessa Brewer engages Grayson on his disgraceful, dishonest “Taliban Dan” smear and — to her credit — refuses to let him off the hook for it. At one point, Grayson accuses Brewer of distracting attention from women’s issues, but Brewer fires back and tells Grayson that he approved the ad and its own off-message smears and out-of-context quotes. If Grayson was serious about the issues, Brewer asks, why not just stick to the issues rather than issue an ad rated “false” by Factcheck?

It’s worth noting that some of the allegations in the ad that Grayson repeats here are also challenged by Factcheck in its review of the ad:

As for Webster’s position on abortion, it’s true that he would prevent women from obtaining abortions even when the pregnancies result from rape, just as the ad says. And that goes for incest as well. He has been endorsed by the Republican National Coalition for Life, which states: “[W]e have listed the Republican Congressional Candidates whose responses to the RNC/Life Questionnaire indicate they are faithfully pro-life, and do not justify abortion for babies who are conceived through rape or incest, have a handicap, or a genetic defect.” When asked directly by a local television reporter whether he would support an abortion for a woman who became pregnant as a result of rape, Webster said “that’s not the issue we’re talking about” and evaded the question. Grayson’s campaign posted that clip on YouTube.

But the ad’s claim that Webster would “deny battered women … the right to divorce their abusers” is a distortion. The claim is based on legislation he sponsored in the Florida House of Representatives 20 years ago. The bill, HB 1585, would have allowed Florida residents the option of a “covenant marriage,” which would limit their divorce rights. Under the proposal, couples could dissolve a covenant marriage only in cases of adultery. But that would not have applied to anyone who did not choose to enter a covenant marriage. The legislation died in committee in June 1990. Webster has not advocated for covenant marriages as a congressional candidate.

If Grayson really wanted to air these issues, Brewer repeatedly points out towards the end of the interview, Grayson would have just stuck to the actual record.  Instead, Grayson equated Webster to terrorists who murder people and  “throw acid in girls’ faces,” as Brewer says.  That’s not an honest approach to women’s issues; it’s a man exploiting women’s issues in order to lie and smear his opponent.  Kudos to Brewer for knowing the difference and not retreating from it.


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The question is not about having a child from a rape, the question is a SCUMBAG liar like Grayson can flat out LIE and slander an opponent by editing his words. The smirk on his face said it all, he knew it was edited incorrectly.
The turd Grayson needs to be dumped into the trash heap of history.

dthorny on September 29, 2010 at 6:46 AM

Sick of the lies? Consider sending Weber some cash. He could use it:

http://www.electwebster.com/

UnderstandingisPower on September 29, 2010 at 7:11 AM

MSNBC bwahahahaha at 12% is BEGGING for credibility, willing to sacrifice the Grayson scapegoat.

maverick muse on September 29, 2010 at 7:36 AM

dear leader thinks MSDNC is the best out there…

“If you’re on the left, if you’re somebody like Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow or one of the folks who helps to keep our government honest and pushes and prods to make sure that folks are true to progressive values, then [the president] thinks that those folks provide an invaluable service.” Burton told reporters.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42864.html#ixzz10v0nCWEr

cmsinaz on September 29, 2010 at 7:51 AM

Don’t say “submit to me”. –Webster to fathers

Exactly where is the substance to Grayson’s charges that Webster introduced legislation to financially discriminate against cheating wives vs. protecting cheating husbands?

I can understand that a strong pro-life person would believe that even in cases of rape, the resulting baby should be granted full term for birth rather than abortive execution.

Where are the statistics on how many rapes resulted in pregnancy? Television and movie plots don’t count.

The “rape and incest” propaganda for abortion is the bizarre flip side to the same crowd chanting anti-execution propaganda to prevent the legal process for Capital Punishment. On one hand, they abort the innocent while on the other they prevent the execution of serial child rapists and serial murderers found guilty in a court of law and condemned to death by law.

maverick muse on September 29, 2010 at 7:53 AM

if you’re somebody like Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow or one of the folks who helps to keep our government honest and pushes and prods to make sure that folks are true to progressive values

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!

maverick muse on September 29, 2010 at 7:54 AM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!

maverick muse on September 29, 2010 at 7:54 AM

dear leader and the rest of the admin make up most of the 12%

cmsinaz on September 29, 2010 at 8:00 AM

The ad actually looked like a SNL skit. His ad guy really is doing himself a disservice because he could be making big bucks writing for SNL.

Shiny_Tiara on September 29, 2010 at 8:08 AM

Grayson is just auditioning for a future spot on MSNBC. With his demeanor he would be a good fit with Olby-Man and Ed Schultz. The three stooges reincarnated.

volsense on September 29, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Reading the prior comments of the thread, it was pretty much hijacked to an abortion discussion. I’m a conservative Libertarian who has a problem with government rule by decree whether it comes from the left or right. Abortion is a private matter between woman and doctor without the government forcing anyone to do anything. Our current problems are the result of too much government in our lives.

In any case, when I look at Alan Grayson, it’s kinda like with Hitler. Would the world be a better place if his mama aborted him? In both cases yes…….

adamsmith on September 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM

MSNBC better be careful. Shining the light of truth on the statements of politicians is a good way to pick up new viewers, and when you do a little bit of it, you become more likely to do it in the future.

And if they start being a responsible journalistic outlook, they’ll no longer be the favorites of the Dems.

hawksruleva on September 29, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Exactly where is the substance to Grayson’s charges that Webster introduced legislation to financially discriminate against cheating wives vs. protecting cheating husbands?

……

maverick muse on September 29, 2010 at 7:53 AM

Here you go:

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=1xNiW4XFXps_0ooYZxOlOrUsYq462A0sPeZbEfUYsVLwKsflhzEOGLlyE36E9&hl=en&authkey=CLaCxCU

Jimbo3 on September 29, 2010 at 10:55 AM

Jimbo3 on September 29, 2010 at 10:55 AM

I think the assumption here is that men don’t traditionally receive alimony. It would have been good to clarify this back in ’90.

The other thing here is that this proposed “covenant marriage” appears to be intended as an option, not the only method of recognized marriage in Florida.

The whole thing was a bad idea, but by far not the worst I’ve seen come out of legislatures of late.

ConstantSorrow on September 29, 2010 at 11:40 AM

I think the assumption here is that men don’t traditionally receive alimony. It would have been good to clarify this back in ’90.

The other thing here is that this proposed “covenant marriage” appears to be intended as an option, not the only method of recognized marriage in Florida.

The whole thing was a bad idea, but by far not the worst I’ve seen come out of legislatures of late.

ConstantSorrow on September 29, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Covenant marriage was clearly optional but, to me, it’s sorta creepy to provide for different penalities for husband and wife.

Jimbo3 on September 29, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Dependable sources have evidence that Alan Grayson has engaged in beastiality.
PETA and the SPCA are investigating claims of Grayson having had sex with dogs in his Florida home.
More later…..

Mark7788 on September 29, 2010 at 12:16 PM

OK, that was a joke about Grayson and beastiality.
If he lies about candidates, is it fair game to lie about him?

Mark7788 on September 29, 2010 at 12:33 PM

If he lies about candidates, is it fair game to lie about him?

Mark7788 on September 29, 2010 at 12:33 PM

It’s OK with me… lol

Jeff2161 on September 29, 2010 at 1:12 PM

The baby is another human being. Regardless of how bad the circumstances it was conceived in, it’s not part of the rapist.

You’re the one calling the baby an it. But yes, every person carries a piece of both parents inside. When that woman gets birth, she knows she might be looking at a child with the eyes of her rapist, or even a boy who could grow up the very spitting image of him.

That’s what I meant, and I think it’s obvious.

But if you solve that problem the easy way, by killing the baby, you’ve made another victim entirely.

Certainly.

I’d sooner see the rapist get the death penalty.

That’s not the woman’s controllable. She doesn’t get to choose to either abort the baby or send the man to death row.

It’s unfair to her to have to carry the baby to term.

So you agree with me then and with those who don’t want abortion to be illegal in those cases. You’re just arguing with me for the sake of arguing?

The people who recognize that it’s murder understand that it’s still murder even when the woman’s pregnancy was forced upon her.

There Goes The Neighborhood on September 28, 2010 at 11:07 PM

Yep. I said as much myself in this thread.

Esthier on September 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Made up by pro-choicers, no. But it’s certainly exploited by pro-choicers, who use it primarily to undermine the moral argument against abortion by trying to name a horrible circumstance where you might accept it.

I’ve acknowledged that.

And BTW, I know where your sympathies lie on the issue. It would certainly break my heart to see a rape victim be put in such a circumstance. But I think we should be able to admit that there’s only one right decision in such a case. Even if we feel enough sympathy for the woman wronged to wish it were not so.

There Goes The Neighborhood on September 28, 2010 at 11:27 PM

I’ve done just that. Still, I won’t force a rape victim to make the right choice there. We don’t let her kill her attacker, but we do let her kill his progeny if she wishes to do so. I don’t have to approve of it.

Esthier on September 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

I’m a conservative Libertarian who has a problem with government rule by decree whether it comes from the left or right. Abortion is a private matter between woman and doctor without the government forcing anyone to do anything. Our current problems are the result of too much government in our lives.

adamsmith on September 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM

I would think that even as a libertarian, you’d agree that the government has a responsibility to protect individuals. Pro-lifers believe it’s an issue between a woman, her doctor, and the baby inside. I guess you don’t believe it’s a baby, but that doesn’t mean you’re the only one looking out for our rights on this issue. It just means that you disagree on whose rights are being violated.

Esthier on September 29, 2010 at 2:57 PM

The Most Evil Man In Congress -Alan Grayson – has opened his big mouth and ended his own political career DROPS 7 POINTS IN THE POLLS

Nearly Nobody on September 29, 2010 at 4:14 PM

“The Devil vs. Daniel Webster”.

Heckle on September 29, 2010 at 10:48 PM

I’m sure there’s some great comments here, just don’t have time to go through them but I’ll add my 2 cents. I’m a centrist, I admire certain ideas on both the left and the right.

One thing I’ve consistently noticed with liberals is that though they might actually be right on some issue, they stretch the truth so far, needlessly smear their opponents that it ultimately backfires on them.

If Grayson is right about all the other things he said about Webster, then I’d probably agree with him-he didn’t need to blatantly lie and take Webster’s words out of context.

But there is one issue that is far more serious than all the rest-the war global war Islam is waging against us non-muslims and I think only the Conservatives/Republicans really got a very good grasp of that, plus they have the balls to do something about it.

This is why I’d personally put aside ideological differences and vote for the right. The left/liberals have consistently proven they are a bunch of cowards and self-serving scumbags. Iran is close to getting nuclear weapons and they haven’t done a damn thing to stop them. We need the right-wing in power for at least the next decade or until Islam has been effectively neutralized.

Fitna on September 29, 2010 at 11:26 PM

Oh man, are these funny….from Iowahawk’s Twitter:

# #GraysonsFamiliarQuotations “I have a dream… white boys” – Martin Luther King Jr. 8 minutes ago via web

# #GraysonsFamiliarQuotations “We … give up” – Winston Churchill 14 minutes ago via web

# #GraysonsFamiliarQuotations “All men are endowed” – Thomas Jefferson 19 minutes ago via web

# #GraysonsFamiliarQuotations “That’s one small… giant… man” – Neil Armstrong 26 minutes ago via web

aquaviva on September 30, 2010 at 1:47 AM

Fitna on September 29, 2010 at 11:26 PM

And then what? You cast them aside and how for your socially liberal society that brought mankind to the aweful state its in. Sorry, we’re going to be around for a long time we social conservatives. Which is good for you, because the war on terror is going to last a lot longer than that ten years you were talking about.

hawkdriver on September 30, 2010 at 6:06 AM

Wow! I applaud Brewer. It’s a shame that only 12 people actually watched this when it aired.

shick on September 30, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Grayson is such a repulsive POS-I cannot watch the whole video.

feh

ploome on September 30, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Abort liberal marxism. Problem solved.

ErinF on September 30, 2010 at 11:25 AM

How did Grayson get elected? He just looks like a thug, like one of the Beagle Boys without the mask, and his rhetoric is even uglier. What a creep!

flataffect on September 30, 2010 at 4:41 PM

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