Paladino within 6 of Cuomo in NY gubernatorial race

posted at 8:48 am on September 22, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Could the Tea Party wave crash as far into Democratic strongholds as the governor’s mansion in New York?  Until now, businessman Carl Paladino has been more of a human-interest story than a threat to Andrew Cuomo in his quest for his father’s old position as Governor.  The New York Daily News reports that a new Quinnipiac poll shows that Paladino has transformed from a sideshow to a contender (via Jammie Wearing Fool):

Flame-throwing Republican Carl Paladino is within striking distance of overtaking longtime gubernatorial frontrunner Andrew Cuomo, a shocking new poll finds.

Among likely voters, the Democrat Cuomo has a paltry 49% to 43% lead over Paladino, the blowhard Buffalo businessman who won a shocking and decisive victory last week in the GOP primary, the Quinnipiac University poll finds.

Quinnipiac’s findings are in stark contrast to a Rasmussen Reports poll released Monday that showed Cuomo with a more robust 54% to 38% lead.

Cuomo “might be a victim of his own excess,” Quinnipiac pollster Maurice Carroll said. “Politicians and polls have depicted him so relentlessly as a sure thing that he might be a victim of the ‘throw the bums out’ attitude that hits incumbents in this angry year.”

Paladino famously says that the way to clean up Albany is with a baseball bat and not a broom.  He may be hitting a home run with New York voters, whom most analysts had more or less written out of the big conservative wave that appears to be breaking across the US.  Cuomo was too impressive a candidate, and Republicans too disorganized and with unknowns on the ballot, to make a dent in the Empire State this year.  At least with Quinnipiac, those voters may have other ideas after all.

It’s still an uphill climb.  Paladino will need a much bigger split among independents than his current 49/43 lead in order to overcome the Democratic registration advantage.  He could help matters by getting the 13% of Republicans who are moving to Cuomo; Paladino gets 8% of Democrats, but he’s not likely to get much more than that.  Republican Rick Lazio is still on the ballot in the Conservative Party slot as well, which complicates matters — but since neither Quinnipiac nor Rasmussen polled with Lazio as an option, it’s hard to say how much.  The real question for Democrats will be turnout, and whether the likely-voter models used by the two pollsters will accurately predict the enthusiasm building on the Right.

This could have an effect on down-ticket races as well.  Until now, New York Republicans and conservatives may have been forgiven for having somewhat less enthusiasm in this election as is seen in other states with less daunting odds.  If Republicans get excited about Paladino, they may not quite carry him to victory, but the force of that enthusiasm will reverberate in close Congressional races throughout the state.


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the 13% of Republicans who are moving to Cuomo

New York Republicans are just… different, no?

Bat Chain Puller on September 22, 2010 at 8:52 AM

We’re hoping to get rid of Tim Bishop, too! :D

blatantblue on September 22, 2010 at 8:53 AM

Keep swinging that bat, Carl!! Cuomo is far from impressive, he’s just using an old political name to win. Keep your eye on the ball and smash it out of the park!!

HomeoftheBrave on September 22, 2010 at 8:53 AM

I like the baseball bat analogy.

What needs to happen to Democrats, is a beating similar to what Robert DeNiro/Al Capone delivered at the dinner table in “the Untouchables”.

Figuratively, of course.

NoDonkey on September 22, 2010 at 8:53 AM

New York Republicans are just… different, no?

Bat Chain Puller on September 22, 2010 at 8:52 AM

No they are dirty RINO traitors who should have their citizenship revoked for their heresy. Better to have a Gov Cuomo than a squish….. /sarc

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 8:54 AM

Paladino fee-vah…Catch it!

BuckeyeSam on September 22, 2010 at 8:54 AM

This is nothing less than an earthquake.

This may help Joe DioGuardi against Gillibrand as well. If that’s the case, we’re looking at a November of historic proportions.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 8:54 AM

NoDonkey on September 22, 2010 at 8:53 AM

was thinking the same thing when I first read the post…

cmsinaz on September 22, 2010 at 8:54 AM

Take back the NY state senate!

TimTebowSavesAmerica on September 22, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Some day, and that day may never come, I will ask of you a service….

A Balrog of Morgoth on September 22, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Yes, men can get by with even racist emails, but heaven help the women candidates.

Every aspect of their sex lives will become political talking points.

AnninCA on September 22, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Yes, men can get by with even racist emails, but heaven help the women candidates.

Every aspect of their sex lives will become political talking points.

AnninCA on September 22, 2010 at 8:55 AM

What does this have to do with Paladino?

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 8:58 AM

New York Republicans are just… different, no?

Bat Chain Puller on September 22, 2010 at 8:52 AM

That’s just embarrassing. This NY Republican is extremely leery of Paladino but her certainly beats Cuomo by a country mile.

My plan is to vote the Conservative line unless it appears Paladino has a chance to beat Cuomo – if that happens, I’ll hold my nose and vote for him.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 8:58 AM

Yes, men can get by with even racist emails, but heaven help the women candidates.

AnninCA on September 22, 2010 at 8:55 AM

If you think Paladino didn’t catch holy hell for those e-mails, you’re quite mistaken.

The difference is that he caught it in June when he announced, instead of September when he won the primary. It’s been a while and people aren’t concerned about it anymore.

O’Donnell shot to prominence too quickly. It’s unfortunate, but they’ve called in a second truck to deliver all of her dirty laundry.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 8:58 AM

Republican Rick Lazio is still on the ballot in the Conservative Party slot as well, which complicates matters

Rick, get the F out of the race and support Paladino. You ran a piss poor campaign against the carpetbagger Hillary, and now you want to split the anti-Cuomo vote? Yeesh.

Glad I don’t live in that state anymore. Can’t see moving back there either.

rbj on September 22, 2010 at 8:58 AM

The debate will be epic…

mjbrooks3 on September 22, 2010 at 8:59 AM

What does this have to do with Paladino?

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 8:58 AM

Early in the campaign, it was revealed that Paladino had forwarded a whole slew of racist, sexist, and sexually explicit emails including bestiality. It speaks to his moral character and, frankly, turns me off toward him.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 8:59 AM

cmsinaz on September 22, 2010 at 8:54 AM

Exactly the way to get through the thick skull of a Democrat politician.

Figuratively, of course.

NoDonkey on September 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM

Paladino…….the real deal?

watchout for the POLITICAL PAPARAZZI (a/k/a “Reporters”) that will try to take him down, and ravage him like a antelope in a heard of jackals (they want MEAT).

TARGET # 1 for the King Cuomo I? Pally.

PappyD61 on September 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM

My plan is to vote the Conservative line unless it appears Paladino has a chance to beat Cuomo – if that happens, I’ll hold my nose and vote for him.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 8:58 AM

What don’t you like about Paladino? And why would you vote for a third-party spoiler after the hellish debate we just went through in Delaware?

By my calculation, Paladino’s only chance to win is by throwing bombs. And considering that he just turned a 40-point deficit to a six-point deficit, something’s clearly working.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM

The difference is that he caught it in June when he announced, instead of September when he won the primary. It’s been a while and people aren’t concerned about it anymore.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 8:58 AM

My bigger concern is that he really hasn’t addressed the issue, though.

Personally, I could care less about the content of the emails, I just can’t stand people who forward emails to everyone in their book. :-)

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 9:01 AM

rove and CK to attack Paladino in 5…4…3.

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:01 AM

I feel like I’m in one of those human interest movies where one of the characters says “It just may work”.

…and then it does.

Mojave Mark on September 22, 2010 at 9:01 AM

Early in the campaign, it was revealed that Paladino had forwarded a whole slew of racist, sexist, and sexually explicit emails including bestiality. It speaks to his moral character and, frankly, turns me off toward him.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 8:59 AM

Ah got it. Thanks. And sorry to Ann – had no idea.
We have that problem with Vitter in Louisiana. He kept on a staffer who had done some pretty raw thing toward women and Vitter is not being held accountable for his judgment.
Cause … well … you know he is a conservative…./sarc

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:01 AM

watchout for the POLITICAL PAPARAZZI (a/k/a “Reporters”) that will try to take him down, and ravage him like a antelope in a heard of jackals (they want MEAT).

TARGET # 1 for the King Cuomo I? Pally.

PappyD61 on September 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM

Have yo7u ever seen what happens to a heard of Jackals when they try to bring down a Lion.

Or a pack of wloves trying to take down a grizzly. It’s not a pretty sight.

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:02 AM

Even if he loses, he causes the Democrats to expend resources in an area they never thought they would have to.

Donkey death by a thousand cuts.

NoDonkey on September 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM

the real question is will Peggy and Parker come out and endorse Cumo?

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM

What don’t you like about Paladino? And why would you vote for a third-party spoiler after the hellish debate we just went through in Delaware?

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM

Aside from the emails, there are some of his issues from the past and a few of his proposals that I really don’t like. His “Dignity Corps” plan for those on unemployment and welfare is downright Orwellian. He’s been known to support Eliot Spitzer, David Paterson, and Chuck Schumer in the past.

A vote for Lazio, for me, wouldn’t be a vote for Lazio as much as it would be a vote for the CPNYS. The party needs 50k votes to maintain automatic ballot access. I think it’s good having a Conservative Party with some power in New York, keeping the GOP honest about its candidates.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Republican Rick Lazio is still on the ballot in the Conservative Party slot as well, which complicates matters

Old trick of the establishment, minimize the Conservative vote until we can get a RINO/approved member of the “RULING CLASS” in there. Lazio is like Fred Thompson, Huckleberry and the other “Conservatives” that ran against McCain…..just a waste.

PappyD61 on September 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM

My bigger concern is that he really hasn’t addressed the issue, though.

Personally, I could care less about the content of the emails, I just can’t stand people who forward emails to everyone in their book. :-)

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 9:01 AM

That’s fatuous and a poor excuse. He’s not running on the strength of his moral character. He’s running on his take-no-prisoners attitude towards our hopelessly broken state government.

He has addressed the issue, though it may not have been at a time when downstaters would hear about it. He acknowledged that some of the e-mails were out of line and apologized for sending them.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Lazio is like Fred Thompson, Huckleberry and the other “Conservatives” that ran against McCain…..just a waste.

PappyD61 on September 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Good Lord – even Thompson doesn’t pass the purity test?

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:04 AM

the blowhard Buffalo businessman

???? Why don’t the media come out and say they get on their knees for the dems..

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:05 AM

Could the Ground Zero Mosque issue be weighing heavily on this race? Also, Lazio needs to back out and endorse Paladino. Stop splitting the vote, you GOP sore losers!

Doughboy on September 22, 2010 at 9:05 AM

Why don’t the media come out and say they get on their knees for the dems..

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:05 AM

I’m sure they will after Fox acknowledges they are going to follow Palin’s marching orders for its talking heads…

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:06 AM

Daddy’s boy just can’t make it on his own. The New York Times, being the liberal propaganda machine for decades, has brainwashed enough lemmings to probably keep the state moving towards bankruptcy.

volsense on September 22, 2010 at 9:06 AM

I think it’s good having a Conservative Party with some power in New York, keeping the GOP honest about its candidates.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM

If you saw what happened during the primary season, you know that’s wrong on its face. Immediately before the GOP state convention, the Conservatives blindly endorsed Lazio without the benefit of a primary. “Keeping them honest,” my backside.

This was the “Conservative” Party that went to bat for Doug Hoffman and then immediately blank-check endorsed a pro-abortion anti-gun tax-raiser before the primary season even began. It deserves to lose ballot status.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 9:07 AM

He could help matters by getting the 13% of Republicans who are moving to Cuomo;

So he needs the Peggy wing of the party….good luck with that DE shows they would rather have a beared marxist that a conservative….

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:07 AM

Paladino gets 8% of Democrats, but he’s not likely to get much more than that

He has more chance to get the dem vote than the Peggy GOP wing.

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:10 AM

Bradky: “I’m sure they will after Fox acknowledges they are going to follow Palin’s marching orders for its talking heads…”

Tinfoil sale at WalMart???

Justrand on September 22, 2010 at 9:12 AM

Here’s some ammo for Paladino from the Village Voice (not exactly a bastion of the right wing). The title says it all:

Andrew Cuomo and Fannie and Freddie/
How the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history gave birth to the mortgage crisis

Buy Danish on September 22, 2010 at 9:14 AM

This could have an effect on down-ticket races as well. Until now, New York Republicans and conservatives may have been forgiven for having somewhat less enthusiasm in this election as is seen in other states with less daunting odds. If Republicans get excited about Paladino, they may not quite carry him to victory, but the force of that enthusiasm will reverberate in close Congressional races throughout the state.

and thus the entire politcal theory of the purists. Give the voters a choice. Their supporters get excited and come out to vote. The moderates will break for the candidate that has the mo. And conservatives on the down ticket will be helped. Giving conservatives a good bench to bring up new conservatives to higher office.

The RINO political theory become a dem and hide who you are. The effect of which is to drive down excitment from conservatives and the base making the downticket ballot fail.

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Buy Danish on September 22, 2010 at 9:14 AM

The VILLAGE VOICE?!

WHAAAAT

blatantblue on September 22, 2010 at 9:15 AM

Republicans get excited about Crazy Carl

and why wouldn’t they?

sesquipedalian on September 22, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Good Lord – even Thompson doesn’t pass the purity test?

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:04 AM

I think he’s miffed that the anti-McCain vote was split too many ways in ’08 and let him resurrect his campaign from the brink of failure.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Tinfoil sale at WalMart???

Justrand on September 22, 2010 at 9:12 AM

Yes or no: Did Palin lay out specific instructions for each of the Fox personalities during her Iowa speech?
Yes or no: Did Fox contribute one million dollars to the GOP?

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:17 AM

I’m sure they will after Fox acknowledges they are going to follow Palin’s marching orders for its talking heads…

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:06 AM

since you don’t watch FOX I guess you don’t see the attacks and condecension they have done irt to Palin.

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:17 AM

The VILLAGE VOICE?!
WHAAAAT
blatantblue on September 22, 2010 at 9:15 AM

Yeah, baby!

Buy Danish on September 22, 2010 at 9:17 AM

NoDonkey on September 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM

of course :)

cmsinaz on September 22, 2010 at 9:18 AM

Good Lord – even Thompson doesn’t pass the purity test?

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Fred’s actions left a lot to be desired..he talked like Reagan ran like a RINO.

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:18 AM

Please show a clip of Cuomo’s girlfriend, Sandra Lee, using part of the filling from a perfectly good, storebought, whole pumpkin pie and part of the filling from a perfectly good, storebought, whole cheesecake to make a few fancy petit fours. Mind boggling.

I don’t know, it just seems so pretentious, inefficient and wasteful, a metaphor for politics…

Fallon on September 22, 2010 at 9:20 AM

Look, King Gold, I don’t particularly care that Paladino isn’t running on his moral character, that’s still something that’s important to me.

And considering that I’m a registered Conservative, I’m gonna have to go ahead and sort of… disagree with your commentary on the CPNYS. We have primaries just like everyone else.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Yes or no: Did Palin lay out specific instructions for each of the Fox personalities during her Iowa speech?
Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:17 AM

NO….all those that she named has careers outside FOX. Mostly talk radio which has nothing to do with FOX. She did not mention Greta nor BOR nor Shep nor any news person….

Do you want to play again…..

As far as the million dollars I have no idea but knowing your track record on being wrong I would be inclined to think your full of crap…

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM

…Cuomo was too impressive a candidate…

Uh, mebbe in the eyes of the establishment, but to many he is merely a younger caricature of his Father, blegh.

We’re hoping to get rid of Tim Bishop, too! :D

blatantblue on September 22, 2010 at 8:53 AM

Can I get a HE!! YEAH !!!!! Altschuler is a bit too squishy for me but I`ll take it.

NY Conservative on September 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM

On Monday, Rasmu released a poll indicating Paladino was behind Cuomo 16 points…could poll numbers actually bounce this much in 2 days? Crazy, amn.

RepubChica on September 22, 2010 at 9:30 AM

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM

You should follow OD’s advice about not playing with yourself…

PALIN: But anyway, if I were in that loop though — if I were in the hierarchy of leadership in the GOP — to rally the troops, you know what I’d say? I’d say, “Okay, folks. We’ve got 46 days to go.” I’d say, “DeMint, you’re awesome, we need you down south. Mitt, go west. G.W., we need you to raise funds! Kristol, Krauthammer, you’ve got to go east. Alveda, Rush, go deep — go anywhere, everywhere, people are listening. Hannity, Levin, Beck, Michelle, Laura, Tammy — all y’all! We need everybody working together! Prager, (inaudible).” I’m going to get in trouble for missing some names, so I’m going to stop. And Karl, here! You can come to Iowa! And Karl Rove and the other leaders who will see the light and realize that these are the normal, hardworking, patriotic Americans who are saying no, enough is enough. We want to turn this around and we want to get back to those time-tested truths that are right for America.

And re the donation
http://hiphopwired.com/2010/08/17/fox-news-donates-1-million-to-republican-governors-association/

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:32 AM

TARGET # 1 for the King Cuomo I? Pally.

PappyD61 on September 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM

PappyD61: Yup,the MSM will cook up a ‘Warlock story’!:)
(sarc).

canopfor on September 22, 2010 at 9:32 AM

On Monday, Rasmu released a poll indicating Paladino was behind Cuomo 16 points…could poll numbers actually bounce this much in 2 days? Crazy, amn.

RepubChica on September 22, 2010 at 9:30 AM

I’d like to believe that Cuomo is this vulnerable, but… Rasmussen has been way too accurate and Quinnipiac way too all over the place for me to put a lot of stock in this. I fear it’s another outlier.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 9:32 AM

sesquipedalian on September 22, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Your dumb assery is getting mighty old.

Vince on September 22, 2010 at 9:32 AM

We have primaries just like everyone else.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Not for governor, you didn’t. The convention took place after Paladino had already declared his intention to run on both the Republican and Conservative lines. Both conventions stonewalled him, and Lazio was basically anointed. The only other candidate allowed on the primary ballot was the Erie County Conservative chair, who most likely would have stepped aside had he won. The Conservatives prohibited Paladino from petitioning his way to the ballot.

So disagree if you like. The Conservatives beclowned and disgraced themselves, and are planning to ride the sinking SS Lazio all the way to a poor showing in November.

Just keep in mind, Lazio going forward is no different from Lisa Murkowski or Charlie Crist. If you’re fine casting a de facto vote for Andrew Cuomo, that’s your decision.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Buy Danish on September 22, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Maybe the anarchist left will embrace Paladino on absurdist grounds. Hell, I’m considering it!

ernesto on September 22, 2010 at 9:43 AM

And re the donation
http://hiphopwired.com/2010/08/17/fox-news-donates-1-million-to-republican-governors-association/

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Hip Hop Wired? Is that a conservative site. Is there a confirmation of this elsewhere? It doesn’t appear that Fox News sent money to any one! That’s the headline but not the story.

Vince on September 22, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Yes, Rick Lazio is on the ballot under Conservative Party, but so is Kristin Davis, Manhattan Madam of Elliot Spitzer fame, on the ballot under the Anti-Prohibition Party label. Taking away a few culturally liberal votes – gay rights, prostitution, marijuana – out of The Village, Soho, and Brooklyn and Queens won’t be too helpful to Cuomo.

ericdondero on September 22, 2010 at 9:43 AM

All the so-called Republicans in NY really don’t expect to win. They go out and show up, eat rubber chicken, and don’t fight. The ones that win anywhere tell us what they are for and make people believe it. Hopefully this year that will change.

Rush told us all about Paladino yesterday. It sounds promising. He seems to be a fighter. Since Andrew Cuomo is one of the leaders of the fall of Freddie and Fannie, he has some ‘splain’n to do. More corruption than anyone could possibly imagine. If NY elects Cuomo or any Dem in that state, they deserve what they get and get what they deserve. At this point it doesn’t make any difference about e-mails and any other trash the Dems try to dig up. Their history of recent corruption is on display for anyone to access. NY and the rest of the country is in far more trouble than we even know. Our only recourse is to elect fighters.

BetseyRoss on September 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:32 AM

thanks for proving my point:

Name one of these people who does not have a outside job from FOX.

DeMint, you’re awesome, we need you down south. Mitt, go west. G.W., we need you to raise funds! Kristol, Krauthammer, you’ve got to go east. Alveda, Rush, go deep — go anywhere, everywhere, people are listening. Hannity, Levin, Beck, Michelle, Laura, Tammy — all y’all! We need everybody working together!

Kristol is editor of the Weekly standard, Krauthammer is a columnist for major newspapers and publication across the nation, Hannity, beck have talk raido shows as well as Fox shows. and on and on

As far as the donation if you bothered to read the link you will see it was not Fox news that made the donation but Rupert Murdoch’s news America.

that would be like saying any company owned by warren Buffet that gives to the dems is newsweek or washington post donating to the dems…..

nice try…next

unseen on September 22, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Not for governor, you didn’t.
KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Oh, really? So that “governor” position on my primary ballot, that was for some other race?

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 9:45 AM

I just donated money to Paladino. Even if he doesn’t win, if he makes it close it will help everyone down-ticket, and maybe even help Dioguardi. At the very least, let’s force dems to spend money in NY.

Yeah, Paladino’s got problems. But he will be 100X better than Cuomo, who will give the unions a blank check, no matter what he claims now. He’s taking money left and right from the unions, so all his talk about the public sector unions having to make sacrifices is b.s.

Let’s not forget that this is a redistricting year. So we need the GOP to at least control one of the legislative houses in NY or the statehouse. So, I urge all NYers to donate something.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM

You should see the snow job the media in NY are doing.

Raising Cuomo to the skies, and trying to portray Paladino as certifiable. Sweeping Cuomo’s illegalities under the rug and saying Paladino is delusional.

I’m voting for Paladino and his baseball bat. I’m tired of the democrats (including Bloomberg) and their stupidity.

Swing away, Carl! Swing away!!!

Mommynator on September 22, 2010 at 9:49 AM

If the conservative party line costs this election, the conservatives will have done more to hurt conservatism in NY then help.

How did they back Lazio? Lazio is no conservative. They should at least have waited until after the GOP primary to make their decision.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2010 at 9:50 AM

A growing problem with Paladino is that he has a lot of baggage in NY.

As with many guy’s like him he’s made millions on government contracts and has been accused with delivering less than promised.  He has his favorite politicians he has funded who’ve help him in return.

It’s not that he’s necessarily a corrupt guy.  That’s business and sometimes it gets rough.  

But if these charges hold up its going to get harder for him to complain about government corruption and overspending when his company has taken advantage of it and might have contributed to the reason government often spends so much and gets so little in return.

rickyricardo on September 22, 2010 at 9:51 AM

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 9:32 AM

As long as we’re talking about the media’s political donation preferences – let’s just say that they do seem amazingly one sided.

wadikitty on September 22, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Oh, really? So that “governor” position on my primary ballot, that was for some other race?

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 9:45 AM

No, I’m saying it was a fraud to begin with. Don’t be a smartaleck, because you’re pleading ignorance and you’re clearly not ignorant. Primaries are not held behind closed doors and away from the voters – that’s how we got Dede Scozzafava in the 23rd.

You supported Lazio. I understand. We both supported Castle in Delaware, but I’m behind O’Donnell now – because she won fair and square. But you’re talking about voting for a third-party spoiler when Paladino has the chance to balance government in NY. That’s as myopic as Castle was strategic.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM

Hip Hop Wired? Is that a conservative site. Is there a confirmation of this elsewhere? It doesn’t appear that Fox News sent money to any one! That’s the headline but not the story.

Vince on September 22, 2010 at 9:43 AM

It’s public record that Rupert Murdoch gave $1 million to the RGA. That’s Rupert Murdoch, not Fox News.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM

“Flame-throwing…blowhard…shocking new poll [showing him closing the gap on Cuomo II]…shocking…victory”

It’s almost like they don’t like the guy.

DrAllecon on September 22, 2010 at 10:02 AM

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM

If Paladino looks like he has a realistic chance of winning, I’ll hold my nose and vote for him. But like I said, if it’s going to be Cuomo, I’m voting to keep the CPNYS as a check on the moderates in the NYGOP.

Here’s what happens if Cuomo wins in a landslide and the CPNYS doesn’t maintain its ballot status. The GOP party elders, who have never been enamored with Paladino in the least, issue a tsk-tsk to the voters and insist that their moderate ways are the only way to win elections. They then put up a steady stream of candidates more squishy and moderate than Lazio was. And guess what? With no CPNYS on the ballot to offer a counterbalance – that is, promising to endorse acceptable conservative candidates – those moderates don’t have to worry about even the appearance of being conservatism.

If that’s what you want, that’s what we’ll get in New York if Cuomo wins by a lot, which he probably will. That’s why the CPNYS is needed in the future – because they’ll keep the ultra-squishy NYGOP in line, like in NY-23 last year.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Does Paladino really have more baggage than Cuomo? The former HUD Secretary and Friend of Charlie?

joepub on September 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM

But if these charges hold up its going to get harder for him to complain about government corruption and overspending when his company has taken advantage of it and might have contributed to the reason government often spends so much and gets so little in return.

rickyricardo on September 22, 2010 at 9:51 AM

On the other hand, maybe it will give him insight into how to reform the system.

I would not argue that Paladino is a great candidate, but he is better than Lazio, who would have simply done the least amount of campaigning he could do and allow Cuomo to win. I wish there had been a better choice on the ballot. I get the impression that Paladino is more of a populist than a conservative.

So, we are left with Paladino. And, he would be far, far superior to Cuomo. Even if all he did was create a logjam in Albany so that no new legislation was passed, it would be better than what Cuomo will do.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2010 at 10:05 AM

Paladino is great.

This guy is a cross between Fat Clemenza and The Don His Bad Self.

Paladino has to win. New York needs its own Christie.

victor82 on September 22, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Here’s what happens if Lazio stays in the race. He draws downstate Republicans to his banner who voted for him in the primary. Cuomo wins easily because they split the vote, and we never know how either of them would have done alone. Recriminations inevitably ensue, and the Conservative Party never acknowledges that it might have made a mistake by keeping its primary closed.

The Conservatives continue to blindly cross-endorse milquetoast country-club Republicans who don’t win in big-ticket races, and Democrats keep laughing all the way to Washington and the governorship.

And don’t make me laugh about endorsing “acceptable conservative candidates.” Pataki being pro-choice is one thing. That I could live with. Lazio’s serial apostasy and record of buckling in high-profile races ought to have raised many red flags – red flags that were willfully ignored by the Conservative power-brokers.

Now, they’re going to split the GOP vote in November’s race – and you’re going to help them. Paladino has a realistic chance of winning. He has been able to turn a 40-point gap into either a 16- or a 6-point gap, depending on who you trust. He’s on the offense right now – and you’re going to vote for Lazio.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM

By the way, Bradky, Palin has a 25-11 record. The people in question in that quotation you cite could do a lot worse than listen to her advice.

As for New York, if Paladino has a bit of the Salazzo Business about him, so what?

What are a few cement overshoes between friends? Like Andrew Cuomo isn’t Mobbed Up?

Forgettaboutit!

victor82 on September 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM

I can’t believe Laxative is still in this race.

Who the heck is paying him to stay in the race, that’s what I want to know? Pataki must have a hand in this.

victor82 on September 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM

To paraphrase from my QOTD post;

Vote for the nasty email guy, it’s important.

or you can choose;
Vote for junior, his dad was a great guy.

barnone on September 22, 2010 at 10:17 AM

I don’t think Lazio’s presence on the ballot will make much difference. He has basically zero support in New York. The only reason it might confuse things is because his name is so familiar as a perpetual sacrificial lamb. It is annoying that people like Lazio are the best that the NY GOP can put up any time we have a race.

Hopefully if this race gets even more exciting it will boost GOP/Tea Party turnout in NY-1. That should be an interesting congressional race. Bishop (D) is very vulnerable here.

athenanyc on September 22, 2010 at 10:18 AM

No they are dirty RINO traitors who should have their citizenship revoked for their heresy. Better to have a Gov Cuomo than a squish….. /sarc

Bradky on September 22, 2010 at 8:54 AM

Peace Brother we’re not that bad. Remember someone who is with you 80% of the time is a friend and an ally not a traitor. Also, if we do not win either the Governorship or the Senate, we will be redistricted into permanent irrelavance. No GOP house members for the next ten years from NY State. So lend a hand not a head slap.

KW64 on September 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Who the heck is paying him to stay in the race, that’s what I want to know? Pataki must have a hand in this.

victor82 on September 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Not Pataki. Alfonse D’Amato. Al’s been sabotaging the NY GOP this entire election cycle. First, he pushed Lazio and now he’s backing Cuomo in the general, calling Paladino “unfit to serve” in the Eliot Spitzer State.

Second, and perhaps more heinous, it’s rumored that he’s been running interference on behalf of his close family friend… Kirsten Gillibrand. It’s because of him that all the high-profile challengers suddenly lost their nerve.

It’s disgraceful beyond disgraceful.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM

No, I’m voting Conservative. What about that is difficult to understand? I’m voting party, not candidate. Matter of fact, I regularly vote the Conservative line especially when the GOP candidate is cross-endorsed as a way of trying to send a message that I expect that candidate to govern as a conservative.

Paladino is saying all the right things to get the Tea Party in his corner, and good for him, but I deal with a little more than just words when I’m trying to decide whether to support a candidate. Could Albany use an outside the box firebrand to clean house? Sure. But I’m really uncomfortable with the idea that a guy with the background of Paladino’s is an acceptable leader for my state. Neither is Cuomo, of course.

As I have said, if it’s a contest come November, I’ll hold my nose and take the psycho over the Status Cuomo. If it’s not, I’m voting for my party, because my vote for the psycho would be worthless anyway.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Hey, what’s the current total that Nazi stooge George Soros has contributed to democratics? A little more than a paltry one million I believe.

slickwillie2001 on September 22, 2010 at 10:26 AM

But I’m really uncomfortable with the idea that a guy with the background of Paladino’s is an acceptable leader for my state.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Yes. God forbid somebody with actual business success and training as a lawyer lead New York. Know what we need? A politician and bank lobbyist like Lazio. That’s the ticket.

It’s one of those conservative movement cliches that “moderates” look on Tea Party-backed challengers with disdain and scorn, and attack their personal history instead of their accomplishments. You’re calling Paladino a psycho, but I’d rather have a psycho than incompetence, which is what Lazio clearly showed. He had a real chance to shine here, but he took his anointing too seriously and talked about nothing but the damned mosque for three months.

Do you really think Lazio deserved to be governor, or were you planning to hold your nose anyway?

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Cuomo has a devastating October Surprise in store for Carl – tablescapes!

ya2daup on September 22, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Yes. God forbid somebody with actual business success and training as a lawyer lead New York. Know what we need? A politician and bank lobbyist like Lazio. That’s the ticket.

Come on now. You know that’s not what I’m getting at, but you’re ignoring that which I’m talking about.

It’s one of those conservative movement cliches that “moderates” look on Tea Party-backed challengers with disdain and scorn, and attack their personal history instead of their accomplishments. You’re calling Paladino a psycho, but I’d rather have a psycho than incompetence, which is what Lazio clearly showed. He had a real chance to shine here, but he took his anointing too seriously and talked about nothing but the damned mosque for three months.

Do you really think Lazio deserved to be governor, or were you planning to hold your nose anyway?

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Yeah, that’s pretty much the idea. Like Delaware, we got served a crap show for pretty much every office. I was very disappointed when Giuliani announced he wasn’t running. I could have enthusiastically put myself behind his campaign.

Oh, speaking of “the damned mosque,” that’s another issue of contention I have with Paladino. He says he wants to use eminent domain to seize the property. Uh, not cool.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 10:59 AM

As I have said, if it’s a contest come November, I’ll hold my nose and take the psycho over the Status Cuomo. If it’s not, I’m voting for my party, because my vote for the psycho would be worthless anyway.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 10:25 AM

The question is – what do you consider a “contest”. this poll has it at 6 points. If the dems are demoralized and the republicans have a big turnout, w/ a 6 pt poll Paladino could have a surprise win.

I can understand if Paladino is down 10 pts come Nov 2, and I understand what you are saynig about the conservative party – i usually do the same myself.

But, a couple of pts.

1) I think the nomination of Lazio by the NY conservative party exposes them as not really interested in conservatism so much as wanting to be part of the in-crowd of power brokers. It seems they have lost their way.

2) If Paladino can make this race end close, even if he doesn’t win, it will send more of a message than a split ticket between Paladino and Lazio.

I’m almost beginning to think the NY Conservative party is a trojan horse designed by the Dems. The conservative party has not moved the NY GOP to the right, and seems more and more often to endorse the liberal republican. If it ends up with in-fighting and split votes, it helps the dems more than it does anything to teh GOP. Particularly when the NY GOP establishment is entrenched and doesn’t listen to the message. The real answer is to take back the NY GOP and kick out those who now run it.

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2010 at 11:07 AM

So Paladino is an off-color, not safe for temperate company, schmoozing contractor, with a rude sense of humor?

Have you ever lived in Buffalo?

You have just described 90% of the population when I lived there.

If you want a housebroken pet, look to guys like Lazio… who couldn’t take on the uncouth Paladino.

Paladino’s big problem is with the downstaters who get the vapors anytime anyone from upstate even DARES to think they have a chance at actually representing the State.

Give me the hard working, hard talking, wheeling-dealing, schmoozer who tells it like it is with a very rough sense of humor over the well groomed lapdogs of the Republican Party in downstate NY who run the party. I hope they are properly stunned, shocked and surprised… then they will go out and vote for the manicured Cuomo as they are ‘closer’ to him ideologically than anything in the far reaches of upstate NY. Cuomo is one of them.

ajacksonian on September 22, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Yeah, that’s pretty much the idea. Like Delaware, we got served a crap show for pretty much every office. I was very disappointed when Giuliani announced he wasn’t running. I could have enthusiastically put myself behind his campaign.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 10:59 AM

It’s not the same. Lazio has and had zero electability and even less money. Castle would have won running away. Lazio would have lost in a snoozer. This is one of those cases where it’s a longshot either way, so might as well swing for the fences.

For the record, I would have gotten behind Giuliani as well. So would Paladino, and he said as much. But what’s done is done, and now the Conservatives backed the wrong horse.

The Republican Party in New York is moribund, and if it needs a “psycho” to destroy the downstate base in order to rebuild it, so be it.

As for eminent domain, no, I don’t agree either. But Lazio talked about nothing but the mosque.

Paladino talked jobs, Lazio talked mosque.
Paladino talked corruption, Lazio talked mosque.
Paladino talked Indian taxes, Lazio talked mosque.

It was a pathetic campaign, and right in line with expectations for Rick Lazio.

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Palladino’s not perfect. What a shock!

Then there’s Prince Andrew, with his father’s name and Eliot Spitzer’s charming personality.

Can’t wait! Cuomo will do for New York State what he’s already done for Housing!! What an exciting prospect!!!

RedPepper on September 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Except for the Upper West Side, Park Slope, and government unions, dems in NY can be quite conservative. They were baptized dems, they did not choose to be dems.

Paladino will get well more than 8% of dems – - closer to 20%, perhaps, but at least double. And many dems will not show up, like those in Rangel’s district, because he was already re-elected, and Cuomo is hated by many, many other dems on personality grounds.

Moonzoo on September 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM

KingGold on September 22, 2010 at 11:14 AM

You keep talking about Rick Lazio like I care about Rick Lazio anymore. What gives?

Monkeytoe on September 22, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Six is closer, yes, but not close enough for my tastes if this poll isn’t an outlier, which I fear it is given Quinnipiac’s recent track record.

Red Cloud on September 22, 2010 at 11:47 AM

The only reason he’s doing so good is because REPUBLICANS (or more accurate RINO Leftist Moderates) aren’t talking about his college Frat parties and things he may have said or done when he was 21.

RINO idiots.

Sultry Beauty on September 22, 2010 at 11:57 AM

CNS News is reporting that Lazio is in talks with the Conservative party about withdrawing from their line and throwing support to Paladino. That would give a united front for Carl.

But guys like Ed Cox have to be kicked out the party. He’s the epitome of the back-room-deal making RINOs. Where do you think Suzzifuzzi and other losers came from?

Iblis on September 22, 2010 at 1:42 PM

CNS News is reporting that Lazio is in talks with the Conservative party about withdrawing from their line

Better a kingmaker for a night than a schmuck for a lifetime.

Emperor Norton on September 22, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Paladino famously says that the way to clean up Albany is with a baseball bat

–but “Cuomo not Homo” has no cojones so what’s Paladino going to bat around?

chickasaw42 on September 22, 2010 at 4:57 PM

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