Pennsylvania next in Rust Belt flood?

posted at 10:12 am on September 21, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Democrats have lost Ohio just four years after staking their claim in the state, with Republicans leading all of the statewide races by wide margins and probably close to recapturing a number of House seats held by Democrats as well.  The wave appears to be rolling east, to a state long held by Democrats in national elections.  Republican Tom Corbett now has a double-digit lead over Democrat Dan Onorato for Governor to replace Democrat Ed Rendell, according to Quinnipiac, and gathering momentum that will likely be felt in down-ticket races as well:

Republican Attorney General Tom Corbett holds a 54 – 39 percent lead over Democrat Dan Onorato, the Allegheny County Executive, in the race to become Pennsylvania’s next governor, fueled by a 56 – 29 percent margin among independent voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll of likely voters released today.

Corbett also leads Onorato when it comes to rebuilding the state’s economy, handling its budget problems and sharing voters’ values, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University survey, conducted by live interviewers, finds. This is the first general election survey of likely voters in Pennsylvania in this election cycle and cannot be compared to earlier surveys of registered voters.

Only 7 percent of voters say they are undecided while 16 percent of Corbett backers and 22 percent of Onorato supporters say they might change their mind before Election Day, making Corbett’s competitive position slightly stronger.

The loss of Ohio will be a problem for Democrats.  The loss of Pennsylvania would be a disaster for them in 2012.  Quinnipiac did not test for Barack Obama’s approval ratings, but as they note, this election has become a referendum on Obama and the Democratic agenda.  This kind of reaction is unlikely to abate in 2012, especially given the latest economic projections, and that means Obama could lose Pennsylvania — and that makes the path to re-election almost impossible for him.

The numbers on the political environment are stark.  Only 36% of Pennsylvania voters consider themselves satisfied, while 64% say they are dissatisfied.  Rendell gets an overall 35/57 approval rating, but on the economy, it dips to 33/62.  Rendell certainly owns a part of that himself, but the view of the economy impacts the leading party on a national level — and those 62% are not going to be looking for another round of Hope and Change in two years if unemployment is still at 8% or higher.

Ohio was a warning.  Pennsylvania is the panic button, as will be Wisconsin if it goes Republican in six weeks.  At some point, Democrats may start wondering if they need to find a centrist to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries just to save the party from utter collapse.


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I’ve been saying this for months. Pennsylvania has had Obama in the low-to-mid 40′s for a while now and he cannot win reelection without that state’s electoral votes.

Plus, if he loses Pennsylvania, you’d have to assume that he’d fail to hold onto any of the states he took away from the GOP in 2008. And don’t discount Christie’s ability to deliver New Jersey to the Republican nominee in 2012.

Doughboy on September 21, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Nothing that Cap/Trade and Stimulus II during the lame duck won’t cure.

Bishop on September 21, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Pennsylvania is the panic button

Not a problem. Just two or three more Obama speeches will turn back the tide, especially if he adds in a few more insults about “bitter clingers.”

jwolf on September 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Lame duck here we come! The Dems can shove most of their agenda through in the few weeks before the holiday break. I suspect they will try it, and Obama will demand they do it.

Johnnyreb on September 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Toomsday is coming!!!

KeepOhioRed on September 21, 2010 at 10:20 AM

If I was a Democrat, I might want to dabble in a little witchcraft about now.

cartooner on September 21, 2010 at 10:20 AM

There’s only one logical response for the Democrats: attack Sarah Palin!

(Well? They can’t run on their record.)

irishspy on September 21, 2010 at 10:20 AM

What a great article Ed!:) 08 was a disaster here and thankfully,people are waking up.

ohiobabe on September 21, 2010 at 10:23 AM

At some point, Democrats may start wondering if they need to find a centrist to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries just to save the party from utter collapse.

You know they’re smarter than that. If Obama gets primaried by anybody – that’s anybody – black voters sit out the election. Simple as that. Democratic primaries these days boil down to identity politics.

They now have no choice but to dance with the ones that brought ‘em. Expect lots and lots of favors to the hard left in the coming year. If the Dems keep the Senate, expect amnesty to show up to fire up the Hispanic vote, 100% of whom the pundits tell us love amnesty.

The walls are closing in on the Lightworker. Fast.

KingGold on September 21, 2010 at 10:24 AM

It’s a beautiful thing to see.

j_galt on September 21, 2010 at 10:25 AM

While I am strongly encouraged, let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. We can’t assume that if democrats lose in 2010, that republicans will aslo win big in 2012.

That was the kind of thinking that dems had after 2008 – they believed that the GOP was done and they could do whatever they wanted with no consequences.

The electorate is fickle. While I would like to believe that voters have learned their lesson and will never again be fooled / lured by dems and progressives and their promises of free stuff and consequences, I wouldn’t bet on it.

Nor would I bet on the GOP not doing stupid things to lose voter support by 2012.

Monkeytoe on September 21, 2010 at 10:26 AM

At some point, Democrats may start wondering if they need to find a centrist to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries just to save the party from utter collapse.

Hillary the centrist to the rescue or Evan Bye Bye!

“Cousin Eddie” has no desire for a second term!
He has passed legislatively all he can. Now he will unleash his unscreened czars and cabinet appointees to do by fiat as much damage as they can and then he will resign!

ALL DEMRATS MUST BE HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR THE UNSCREENED, UNCONFIRMED CZARS AND APPOINTEES! CONGRESS IS DERELICT IN ITS DUTY!

Bein Presidente is hard work and “Cousin Eddies” do not do hard work for long!

dhunter on September 21, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Bayh v. Obama?

flyfisher on September 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM

How many other battleground states from the past three elections can turn against them between now and November?

If Florida turns on Alex Sink and goes full-on Republican by electing Rubio and Rick Scott by solid margins, then it would appear that the Dems are toast.

teke184 on September 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Did Quinnipiac poll the Toomey/Sestak Senate race?

Steve Z on September 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Nor would I bet on the GOP not doing stupid things to lose voter support by 2012.

Monkeytoe on September 21, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Who are you talking to? Let’s not assume… Who is assuming? No one can assume anything, because not one pundit, not one pollster, no one has any clue what is going to happen. Today is the day of the People.

j_galt on September 21, 2010 at 10:29 AM

If I was a Democrat, I might want to dabble in a little witchcraft about now.

cartooner on September 21, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Haven’t they been doing that for years? With one stoke of his magic wand (pen) Obama has obliterated wealth, prosperity, freedom and a whole bunch of jobs (mine included).

Tommy_G on September 21, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Democrats may start wondering if they need to find a centrist to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries just to save the party from utter collapse.

I hear John McCain is available.

katy on September 21, 2010 at 10:31 AM

You know they’re smarter than that. If Obama gets primaried by anybody – that’s anybody – black voters sit out the election.

Obama may sit it out himself.

flyfisher on September 21, 2010 at 10:31 AM

I hear John McCain is available.

katy on September 21, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Thanks katy, I just threw up a little in my mouth lucky I saved breakfast!

Such outbursts this early in the morning should come with a warning label!

dhunter on September 21, 2010 at 10:34 AM

At some point, Democrats may start wondering if they need to find a centrist to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries just to save the party from utter collapse.

The chances of that are remote. If he gets primaried, it’s as good as an admission of defeat and Democrats may as well forfeit.

Lehosh on September 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Obama may sit it out himself.

flyfisher on September 21, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Never say never, but I can’t imagine Obama conceding that he’s such a miserable failure as President that he willingly quits after one term. And no matter how desperately the Dems and media(I know, I’m being redundant) try to spin it, that’s how it would be perceived.

I will say though that it may be the only shot the Dems have at holding onto the White House in 2012. A primary challenge from anyone(even Hillary) would be suicide. It would split the party in two and alienate black voters(especially if Obama lost the primary). And right now Barry looks like a long shot at best to win reelection.

Doughboy on September 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Looks like the Dems could use a new logo, or something.

ziggyville on September 21, 2010 at 10:37 AM

The amazing thing to me is how clear the message is from the People. The message is this:

Hey, you both suck. You Democrats suck. You Republicans suck. Both parties have led this country to the left. Both parties are responsible. You would do well to own up to your mistakes and change course, or you’ll be out next. We the People could care less for your schemes, you chairmanships, etc. Either you turn the ship back to right, and back across the line, or your out. If you don’t, then We the People will check out, and you can ride this ship down with everyone else.

j_galt on September 21, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Haven’t seen polling on Congressional races here in Pa. But the GOP has a legitimate chance of turning five seats from D to R… Lou Barletta (11th), Mike Joyce (3rd), Pat Meehan (7th), Mike Fitzpatrick (8th), Tom Marino (10th)… and longer shots, but still viable shots, in a few more. If it hits five, the GOP should have the US House. If it exceeds five, it’s a tsunami big time.
The bigger thing, in some respects, is for the GOP to retake the state House… a very do-able proposition at this point. If that happens, the GOP will control redistricting… and you can bet that Murtha’s old seat will be gone, whether his former chief of staff or Tim Burns wins it. No clout, no seat. PA rules.

either orr on September 21, 2010 at 10:38 AM

One term president…..yes!

cmsinaz on September 21, 2010 at 10:40 AM

I think I could go for some toast right now.

Lanceman on September 21, 2010 at 10:41 AM

And of course, all of this wouldn’t be such a huge deal if government could simply stay out of our lives, and do only those things it should do. But alas, the government is made of men, men are not angels, therefore the government is not an angel.

j_galt on September 21, 2010 at 10:42 AM

That was the kind of thinking that dems had after 2008 – they believed that the GOP was done and they could do whatever they wanted with no consequences.

The electorate is fickle. While I would like to believe that voters have learned their lesson and will never again be fooled / lured by dems and progressives and their promises of free stuff and consequences, I wouldn’t bet on it.

Nor would I bet on the GOP not doing stupid things to lose voter support by 2012.

Monkeytoe on September 21, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Winning the House in 2010 will probably be the easy part. The hard part for Republicans will be trying to push through tax cuts and spending cuts and roll back the Obama agenda through a divided Senate with the threat of an Obama veto, and convince the voters that DEMOCRATS are the stumbling block to be eliminated in 2012.

Steve Z on September 21, 2010 at 10:42 AM

Go ahead Dems. Bring on the Lame Duck. There’s nothing we can do to stop it anyway.

But the Republican House in 2011 will not fund a damn dollar of it.

Bat Chain Puller on September 21, 2010 at 10:42 AM

I hear John McCain is available.

katy on September 21, 2010 at 10:31 AM

You laugh now, Katydid. Wait a year and a half.

Lanceman on September 21, 2010 at 10:43 AM

At some point, Democrats may start wondering if they need to find a centrist to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries just to save the party from utter collapse.

I would say that Ed Rendell would be a logical candidate, and everyone in Pennsylvania knows he wants the job and has never liked Obama. But if the Dems get wiped out this year it will be hard for Rendell to escape some blame among Dem activists. He has been practically invisible in this campaign. I think Obama has been in Philadelphia more often so far than Rendell.

Repuublicans will control the Governorship and both houses of the state legislature next year. Redistricting is going to be a blast. The Republicans who win this year will get safe seats. It will be very hard for the Denms to ever win them back. They will be confined to a few districts in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

rockmom on September 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM

And right now Barry looks like a long shot at best to win reelection.

Doughboy on September 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Didn’t some “expert” predict three months ago that an Obama victory in 2012 was already in the bag? I think he was counting on something that “we” best not discount: fraud in the elections. Obama will not go quietly, and he does have some. . .ahem. . .enthusiastic supporters.

That’s why this November is so dang important; with another two years of unfettered politicization, DoJ would single-handedly turn this country into a banana republic.

johnny alpha on September 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM

I wonder where the GOp would be if people like Palin and demint did not stand up and shout not just No but Hell No to the Obama agenda. Would the RINO led GOP establishment buckled and supported Obama and his marxist programs and would the voters in 2010 be left without a choice once again.

2010 is showing how wrong and pig-headed the entire “moderate” RINO theory was/is/ and forever will be.

purity vs pragmatism. Purity wins everytime its tried.

unseen on September 21, 2010 at 10:46 AM

At some point, Democrats may start wondering if they need to find a centrist right-winger to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries just to save the party from utter collapse.

unseen on September 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Republicans will control the Governorship and both houses of the state legislature next year. Redistricting is going to be a blast.

rockmom on September 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM

There will be no sweeter thing than to redistrict John Murtha’s Porktown out of existence.

KingGold on September 21, 2010 at 10:51 AM

At some point, Democrats may start wondering if they need to find a centrist to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries just to save the party from utter collapse.

If the remnants of the democrat party were to tell their president that he can not run for a second term and that they will not support him if he did would be epic.

So Obama, should go independent and pick Bloomberg as his VP as an independent candidate for the office.

That would be super kool.

Skandia Recluse on September 21, 2010 at 10:52 AM

At some point, Democrats may start wondering if they need to find a centrist to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries just to save the party from utter collapse.

Problem is that Hillary will look like a centrist after 2 more years of President Redistribution. Hell, Karl Marx himself would look like a centrist after 2 more years of this nonsense!

redwhiteblue on September 21, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Corbett is running a very effective television ad in the Philadelphia area (we get to see them here in Delaware). The same ad is probably running statewide.

The ad has an upbeat and positive “feel” about it, although he takes jabs at Ed Rendell and Onorato for mocking Corbett about his pledge not to increase taxes.

He would have my vote if I lived in PA. I’m glad to see that he has a comfortable lead.

UltimateBob on September 21, 2010 at 10:56 AM

I CLEARLY remember how arrogant the left media and politicians were after their wins in 2006 and 2008. The GOP would be meaningless for 40 years.

Do you recall how little they actually listened to what the voters wanted?

I hope the GOP establishment, LISTENS TO THE TEA PARTY GOALS that got them the power.

OT – go ISSA! Man of the Year 2011.

barnone on September 21, 2010 at 10:57 AM

Never say never, but I can’t imagine Obama conceding that he’s such a miserable failure as President that he willingly quits after one term. And no matter how desperately the Dems and media(I know, I’m being redundant) try to spin it, that’s how it would be perceived….
Doughboy on September 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM

I can see his narcissism driving him to an Independent run, Murkowski-Crist style, if he loses the primary.

Bammie will lose the primary to any decent nationally-recognized candidate that takes him on. The black vote may be split, but it will only be for that election. They will stick with the democratics for all other tickets.

slickwillie2001 on September 21, 2010 at 11:01 AM

I blame George W. Bush.

Obama should try that. Maybe make a speech from the Oval Office. He should work in some criticism of Sarah Palin and the Tea Party too. Oh, and use that “turn back the clock” phrase.

That’ll work.

Chris of Rights on September 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Bayh v. Obama?

flyfisher on September 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Got a distinct racist tinge to it. No, if they want the black vote they’ll have to run a black Democrat centrist against him. Anyone know where they can find one?

a capella on September 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM

I’m anxiously awaiting polling of the neighboring WV Senate race today. It’s spreading.

forest on September 21, 2010 at 11:11 AM

OT: WSJ has an editorial discussing the status of the federal estate tax that returns to life in 2011. I wasn’t aware that five senators (including Bernie Sanders and Sherrod Browne of Ohio) have introduced a bill calling for a top rate of 65% and only a $1 million exemption.

Are these clowns nuts?

BuckeyeSam on September 21, 2010 at 11:11 AM

I hope the GOP establishment, LISTENS TO THE TEA PARTY GOALS that got them the power.

barnone on September 21, 2010 at 10:57 AM

They’re gonna have to, whether they like it or not.

Lanceman on September 21, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Bayh v. Obama?

flyfisher on September 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Got a distinct racist tinge to it. No, if they want the black vote they’ll have to run a black Democrat centrist against him. Anyone know where they can find one?

a capella on September 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM

One of the democratics problems is their black back bench. Most blacks in Congress run in the exceedingly safe inner city gerrymandered districts, so those seats gravitate to the most corrupt and socialist candidate available. Can you think of a black congressman today that is nationally electable?

slickwillie2001 on September 21, 2010 at 11:18 AM

just to save the party from utter collapse.

Ed, you sent a tingle up my leg just thinking about this.

NumberTwo on September 21, 2010 at 11:22 AM

OT: WSJ has an editorial discussing the status of the federal estate tax that returns to life in 2011. I wasn’t aware that five senators (including Bernie Sanders and Sherrod Browne of Ohio) have introduced a bill calling for a top rate of 65% and only a $1 million exemption.

Are these clowns nuts?

BuckeyeSam on September 21, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Bernie Sanders is an avowed Socialist. Does that answer your question?

teke184 on September 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM

The loss of Ohio will be a problem for Democrats. The loss of Pennsylvania would be a disaster for them in 2012.

Woulda, shoula, coulda…

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. PA went heavy for Obama in 2008. Who woulda thought it would move right by 2010?… so I’m not going to assume it can’t move left again by 2012.

mankai on September 21, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Bernie Sanders is an avowed Socialist. Does that answer your question?

teke184 on September 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM

But he’s more qualified than O’Donnell to be in the Senate!

/

mankai on September 21, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Can you think of a black congressman today that is nationally electable?

slickwillie2001 on September 21, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Nope. Even Colin Powell’s day has come and gone. The donks now have a segment of their base who will only vote based on skin color and any national race has to take that into consideration. It limits their choices tremendously. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

a capella on September 21, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Time to break out the Black Panthers!

cjtony97 on September 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM

I was looking forward to punning with “Onorato-PA” – although I haven’t come up with it yet.

disa on September 21, 2010 at 11:46 AM

What a great article Ed!:) 08 was a disaster here and thankfully,people are waking up.

ohiobabe on September 21, 2010 at 10:23 AM

Got that right, OhioBabe. We’ve been suffering in Ohio under the pitiful Strickland/Fisher regime and their cohorts in Columbus long enough. Time to clean house across the board.

I’d vote for a neutered, three-legged dog before I’d ever vote for a Dumbocrat.

GrannyDee on September 21, 2010 at 11:50 AM

I’m anxiously awaiting polling of the neighboring WV Senate race today. It’s spreading.

forest on September 21, 2010 at 11:11 AM

PPP!? Has Raese ahead.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/close-race-in-west-virginia.html

Chris of Rights on September 21, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Corbett is a much better executive than Onorato. Toomey will bring back prosperity to PA and the nation. There should be absolutely no contest here, given the superiority of the Republican candidates.

onlineanalyst on September 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Bernie Sanders is an avowed Socialist. Does that answer your question?

teke184 on September 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Sanders I understand. Sherrod Browne and others? And as if a top rate of 55% wasn’t enough. I loathe Browne.

BuckeyeSam on September 21, 2010 at 12:00 PM

I CAN SMELL NOVEMBER FROM MY HOUSE!

Mutnodjmet on September 21, 2010 at 12:09 PM

I’m really bullish on PA. Rasmussen has a poll out saying 68% of PA’ians think cutting taxes not increasing spending is the way to go. The House races via Cook look like it’s another week or two behind Ohio in being labeled a bloodbath for the Dems.

I’m hoping Ohio’s and Pennsylvania’s neighbor to the north (NY) gets caught up in the draft and does a decent job of throwing Dems out. They’ve been an albatross around the neck of the state’s economy for decades and need to be purged from positions of power and driven as far as possible from the drawers of the public treasury.

Dusty on September 21, 2010 at 12:15 PM

Hi there boys and girls!
Can you say “Redistricting”?
Hey, I knew you could!

Haiku Guy on September 21, 2010 at 12:15 PM

Time to break out the Black Panthers!

[cjtony97 on September 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM]

LOL. They can play in their puny 3 districts. Let’s see those halfwits nowits provide jobs for the residents they imprison, on their own, without a government teat to suck on.

Dusty on September 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM

I do believe the ‘bitter clingers’ in PA have had it with all the government pickpockets and their ne’er-do-well organized crime thugocrats. That may play well in Philly, but not so well in the land of the Whisky Rebellion.

ajacksonian on September 21, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Time to break out the Black Panthers!

[cjtony97 on September 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM]

More like break out the SWAT teams and show those overdressed cavemen that ‘black power’ is a dead AAA battery compared to the power of law and order.

…yeah, I know…we don’t have the guts.

Dark-Star on September 21, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Onorato’s commercials are hilarious. If i didn’t see the D next to his name i’d swear he was running as a Republican. It has got to be embarassing for the Democrat establishment.. or maybe not. They don’t appear to feel shame at any level.

tflst5 on September 21, 2010 at 12:52 PM

The bigger thing, in some respects, is for the GOP to retake the state House… a very do-able proposition at this point. If that happens, the GOP will control redistricting… and you can bet that Murtha’s old seat will be gone, whether his former chief of staff or Tim Burns wins it. No clout, no seat. PA rules.

either orr on September 21, 2010 at 10:38 AM

And they would be able to push through voter ID laws, which would help cut down some on vote fraud in Philly, where not only do the dead vote, but where secured voting machines turn up with hundreds of votes already logged on, and private homes can be used for polling places.

Wethal on September 21, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Bayh v. Obama?

flyfisher on September 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM

We are going to see Dean start a primary run against Obama on the left and Bayh and Hillary on the right of Obama.

redeye on September 21, 2010 at 1:34 PM

I was looking forward to punning with “Onorato-PA” – although I haven’t come up with it yet.

disa on September 21, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Here in Allegheny county he’s known as “Dan the tax man” after he created new taxes on poured drinks and airport rental cars to try and balance the public transportation budget (still a big fat FAIL). A lot of restaurant and bar owners here even label it the “Onorato Tax” on the bill. No joke.

vermillionsky on September 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Larry Sabato’s Crystal Ball website has an interesting article and chart; “What to Expect in 2010″ by Alan I. Abramowitz estimating the number of House seats that could be won based on Gallup’s final likely voter Poll.
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/

Done That on September 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM

At some point, Democrats may start wondering if they need to find a centrist to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries

“Centrist” democrat? That’s not only an oxymoron, it’s pretty good comedy! The healthcare bill exploded the myth of “pro-life” democrats. With one multi-thousand page bill after another passed solely by democrats, the obvious conclusion is that there are no centrist democrats.

olesparkie on September 21, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Utter collapse for the Democratic Party? That is appealing.

Please Barry, just keep doing what you are doing. After the new Congress convenes and the head butting begins, the Republican Congress will win the Big Government vs limited government debate. If the government shuts down, there will be a collective sigh of relief.

Dems won’t dare primary the first black President, their Messiah. Oh my if they do, what fun to watch the race card played intraparty under those cicumstances. Implosion!

There is no downside here. The Dems are screwed and don’t even know yet how badly.

exdeadhead on September 21, 2010 at 3:51 PM

They had a centrist run against Obama in the 2008 election; but they cheated to put Obama up as their nominee. Democrats really deserve a disaster; they got it the old-fashioned way–they earned it!

mountainaires on September 21, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Good news… just keeps getting better and better…

Khun Joe on September 21, 2010 at 8:41 PM