UK to confiscate paychecks in private sector?

posted at 2:20 pm on September 20, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Well, if Donald Berwick’s favorite health-care system is to survive, the Brits have to do something, don’t they?  The British government’s tax agency has proposed a new process for employers in the private and public sectors to pay their workers.  Instead of actually giving the money to the employees, they’ll pay Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, which will then decide just how much to allow the workers to keep:

The UK’s tax collection agency is putting forth a proposal that all employers send employee paychecks to the government, after which the government would deduct what it deems as the appropriate tax and pay the employees by bank transfer.

The proposal by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) stresses the need for employers to provide real-time information to the government so that it can monitor all payments and make a better assessment of whether the correct tax is being paid.

Currently employers withhold tax and pay the government, providing information at the end of the year, a system know as Pay as You Earn (PAYE). There is no option for those employees to refuse withholding and individually file a tax return at the end of the year.

If the real-time information plan works, it further proposes that employers hand over employee salaries to the government first.

What could go wrong?  Well … plenty, actually.  I’ve worked as a midlevel manager at firms that use direct deposit for pay (which I use myself), and I’ve seen mistakes made.  One employee got paid $14,000 for one two-week period, which the company had to claw back.  The next fortnight, he got 56 cents in his direct deposit, which took two days to correct.  Now imagine having to deal with a government bureaucracy when these mistakes get made, and one can imagine the disasters that await.  Plus, thanks to this process, the government will have access to everyone’s bank accounts, too.  Goody!

But the problems are more than just pragmatic.  This is a symptom of tyranny, where the government takes the attitude that it owns everything and has the responsibility for redistributing wealth as it sees fit.  If the UK proceeds down this path, there will be no more private sector; everything will become an arm of the government.

I realize that the Boston Tea Party has much different historical implications for the British than it does for Americans, but perhaps it’s Tea Time in the UK, too.


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Maybe the Brits can invite the German Army back to free them from this creeping tyranny…

SPCOlympics on September 20, 2010 at 4:15 PM

“the government would deduct what it deems as the appropriate tax”
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bone-chilling language

fabrexe on September 20, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Ed, small point of order, caption should read “All your check are belong to us.”

Heh.

fossten on September 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM

I was just joking with my mom that the way politicians talks about ‘giving us’ tax cuts you would think they believed the the paychecks belonged to them and we received what they allowed us to have.

Now a government is actually acting on that belief.

agmartin on September 20, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Now folks, let’s not encourage the Brits to be greedy, the Smiths need their hearty breakfasts: Britain’s Welfare State: The Model of Unsustainability

slickwillie2001 on September 20, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Until these effers know that they could be hanging from light pole in a fortnight there will be continuing attempts to enslave free people

just like the scum of despotic lands, there is really only one way to fix the problem

they will NEVER relinquish thir power peacably

Sonosam on September 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Daddy gov and the future of america.

allrsn on September 20, 2010 at 5:14 PM

pwnd

ooonaughtykitty on September 20, 2010 at 5:47 PM

A government that presumes to give you everything you want will be be a government that takes everything you’ve got. Even if government was demonstrated to be flawless or incredibly responsive in fixing errors, IT’S NOT THEIR MONEY!

Mark30339 on September 20, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Only a matter of time until the Libs here try the same ploy, people.

dogsoldier on September 20, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Only a matter of time until the Libs here try the same ploy, people.

dogsoldier on September 20, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Agreed. In there anger, I see some trying to pull some big stunts when they become lame ducks. Outlawing the tea party. Making it a felon to be a conservative, or voice objection to liberal policies. Making Obama life long leader. UGH!!!

capejasmine on September 20, 2010 at 6:12 PM

The sucker-hearted Brits have this coming. For decades these saps have re-elected their lying, sell-out Labour politicians and and listened to bleeding-heart liberal elites tell them that they must have multiculturalism, must tolerate waves of 3ird world immigrants (legal or not), and thousands of phony asylum seekers every year or they are bigoted racists, especially if they even think of voting in a right wing party to save them. Now Brits have to pay for all those millions of immigrants on the dole, including all those infidel hating Muslims with multiple wives & scads of off-springs just waiting for a demographic take-over. Naturally, to make sure the British chumps pay-up, the paychecks go the sellout government first.

I just wonder if Americans are as stupid.

Chessplayer on September 20, 2010 at 6:13 PM

For the love of country, please let’s hope no one in the Obama administration catches wind of this proposal. They’ll pick the ball up and run with it here in America.

ButterflyDragon on September 20, 2010 at 6:26 PM

For the love of country, please let’s hope no one in the Obama administration catches wind of this proposal. They’ll pick the ball up and run with it here in America.

ButterflyDragon on September 20, 2010 at 6:26 PM

They already think its their money so it is just a matter of time.

CWforFreedom on September 20, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Okay, so the government collects your gross salary from your employer, figures out what you may owe, then sends you the rest…

How long will it take for the figuring? One day? Two days? One week? Some other time frame?

What do you do for money in the meantime?

patch on September 20, 2010 at 6:53 PM

Only a matter of time until the Libs here try the same ploy, people.

dogsoldier on September 20, 2010 at 5:50 PM

And we’ll all become Alchemists and pay them with gold made from our special recipe’s.

chemman on September 20, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Meanwhile the sand fleas sit on their asses, have lots of kids and plot against western civilization

executions are the right call

Sonosam on September 20, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Cameron has been a fraud from the get-go and this is not the Lib Co-PM this is all Cameron.

Think it can’t happen in America…..THE Globalist cabal is HUNGRY for wealth and this is their way of pulling us all down…..back to serfdom!!!

PappyD61 on September 20, 2010 at 8:32 PM

I’ve said for years to family and friends that the Fed Gov is NOT going to leave the middle class accumulate Trillions in wealth……NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

PappyD61 on September 20, 2010 at 8:34 PM

Nicely put Pappy

will not leave the middle class to accumulate wealth.

Sonosam on September 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM

I just wonder if Americans are as stupid.

Chessplayer on September 20, 2010 at 6:13 PM

Peggy “the Mooch” Joseph and her ilk will love this, along with the other 26% of Americans who still strongly approve of O-Blah-Blah.

Time to cash out the IRA and stock and put it under the mattress, or bury in a milk can in the backyard.

GrannyDee on September 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM

Yes, Minister.

andycanuck on September 21, 2010 at 12:15 AM

Looks like socialism making its natural progression to communism. In a communist state and command economy the state owns everything. It then redistributes the resources first to the state, then to the people to use as it dictates. The middle class is the first casualty as the layers of the society become the elite ruleing class and the common class. Equality is at last achieved, no rich non elite class, no middle class, and no poor class, just a common have nothing class that labors for the state.

Franklyn on September 21, 2010 at 2:54 AM

Interesting to consider how we got to this point. In the U.S. we passed the “Secrecy In Banking Act” in 1987 which if you read past the first paragraph is actually the “Recording and Reporting of Your Secrets Act” – it put the banks in the business of keeping a good set of books on employer withholding of income tax – where prior to the mid-90s – the largest fraud (10s of billions of dollars every year) upon the U.S. treasures was felons, in prison, writing bogus W2s that generated refunds of 10s of thousands of dollars. I’ve yet to find any government agency that can keep a decent set of books and processes related to money – they just criminalize bad behavior (consider that the Commerce doesn’t do statistics, rather it “follows the law”).
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I think we need an analog to the “right to work” laws – call it “the right to all our pay” law – where our employer has to pay all of our salary to us (no withholding, no so-called “benefits,” no “expenses” etc..), and the the various agencies and services should deliver an itemized bill for services and taxes. That we write a check against (or perhaps autopay) but still, we get it all, and put 3rd parties out of the business of making purchasing decisions for us. Next we have to tackle regulation (call it 10B$ a day of purchasing decisions shaped, if not made, for us by (all levels) of government).

aritai on September 21, 2010 at 4:51 PM

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