Unity over: DeMint rips GOP establishment in fundraising e-mail

posted at 9:13 pm on September 16, 2010 by Allahpundit

So be it. Jedi.

“They say she can’t win and that by supporting her, I’ve helped lose the seat for Republicans,” DeMint said. “Well, I’ve been in the majority with Republicans who didn’t have principles, and we embarrassed ourselves and lost credibility in front of the country. Frankly, I’m at a point where I’d rather lose fighting for the right cause than win fighting for the wrong cause.”…

“National Republicans are not going to invest real money in this race and her primary opponent, Rep. Mike Castle, is refusing to endorse her,” DeMint wrote to supporters of his political action committee, the Senate Conservatives Fund.
“The dirty little secret in Washington is that the establishment is quietly rooting for Christine to lose so they can continue to peddle their discredited line that conservatives cannot win.”…

Republicans say DeMint is giving himself too much credit for O’Donnell’s victory, given that he only threw his support behind her 72 hours before voters went to the polls and after she surged from enthusiasm from tea party activists.

“Anyone who writes down that he had a significant impact in that election is smoking crack,” one senior Republican aide said.

Much more at the link above, including a reminder that DeMint himself was preaching the gospel of unity in the name of victory literally yesterday. To be fair, this is hardly a case of him picking a fight; GOP Beltway types of all stripes, from senators to aides on down, snipe at him regularly (and usually anonymously) for pushing principle to the point where, they believe, it detracts from electability. O’Donnell’s win was the paramount example of that, which is why this is all coming to a head. His point about people rooting for O’Donnell to lose because they believe conservatives can’t win is cheap, though, notwithstanding the fact that it’ll be greeted rapturously by “true conservatives” ever eager to believe the worst about their enemies (and RINOs are the enemy this week). Of course conservatives can win. They’ve been winning for years, and in a cycle as disgusted with Democrats as this one is, they can win even in bluish states. The question isn’t whether conservatives can win, it’s whether they can win at all times, in all places, irrespective of the quality of their candidate. Most “true conservatives” think they can, which is why if O’Donnell loses in Delaware or Angle in Nevada, etc, it is and can only be (a) the fault of the damned RINOs, just like everything else in the world, and/or (b) because America’s not quite ready yet to elect 60 Rubios. Supposedly we’ll get there — eventually. I’m wondering, though, what Palin thinks about that because here’s what she said just a few weeks ago about Scott Brown:

Palin, in an interview on Fox Business Network, was asked whether the Massachusetts Republican was “on notice” for siding with Democrats on several key votes.

“Well, you know, take the consideration, though, that that’s Massachusetts,” Palin said. “Perhaps they’re not going to look for such a hard-core constitutional conservative there, and they’re going to put up with Scott Brown and some of the antics there.”

Yeah, perhaps not. In which case, what do we do now? Support a centrist like Brown or keep nominating Jim DeMint types until the People’s Republic of Massachusetts finally sees the light? If the answer is the latter, then riddle me this: How come Sarahcuda supported centrist Carly Fiorina instead of Chuck DeVore in the deep blue state of California?

Here’s video of DeMint on Fox yesterday emphasizing that he doesn’t want a Republican majority if it doesn’t stand for anything. I agree — but define “anything.” If a majority of Republicans agree that Congress needs to repeal ObamaCare, balance the budget, and reform Social Security and Medicare, does that qualify as standing for something, or do we stand for “nothing” if we fail to agree with DeMint on everything? Maybe, as a friend suggested on Twitter, I’m reading too much into this and DeMint’s fundraising e-mail is really just a clever way of playing good cop/bad cop, beating up on the Beltway RINOs with their tacit approval in order to kick up a little extra money for O’Donnell in Delaware. Could be, but I take him seriously when he gives these lectures about principle. Scott Brown wondered at yesterday’s caucus meeting whether there’s any room for moderates to disagree on issues anymore; I’m sure that DeMint would say yes but I’m not sure why he would say yes except for the fact that, deep down, he worries that “true conservatives” in some states can’t win without RINO votes. (That’s probably the case for Rubio in purplish Florida, at least.) If you guys want the RINOs out because they’re holding conservatism back, they’re a cancer on the party, blah blah blah, that’s fine but be forthright about it. The sooner this shakes out, the better for everyone.

Update: DeMint’s office sends along this op-ed from last year in which he calls for a “big tent” in the GOP. Like I said above, I don’t doubt that when pressed he’ll say he welcomes moderates in the party. Any smart vote-seeking politician would say the same. But what does it mean in practice?

To win back the trust of the American people, we must be a “big tent” party. But big tents need strong poles, and the strongest pole of our party — the organizing principle and the crucial alternative to the Democrats — must be freedom. The federal government is too big, takes too much of our money, and makes too many of our decisions. If Republicans can’t agree on that, elections are the least of our problems…

Freedom will mean different things to different Republicans, but it can tether a diverse coalition to inalienable principles. Republicans can welcome a vigorous debate about legalized abortion or same-sex marriage; but we should be able to agree that social policies should be set through a democratic process, not by unelected judges. Our party benefits from national-security debates; but Republicans can start from the premise that the U.S. is an exceptional nation and force for good in history. We can argue about how to rein in the federal Leviathan; but we should agree that centralized government infringes on individual liberty and that problems are best solved by the people or the government closest to them.

Serious question: Does that last bit mean that Scott Brown, who voted for financial reform, and Paul Ryan, who voted for TARP, are out? Is Chris Christie out for supporting a path to citizenship for illegals? How many deviations from the principles laid out by DeMint here are tolerable? I’m not asking for infinite leeway — just read my posts about Charlie Crist or Arlen Specter — but are we now at the point of zero tolerance? Here’s a quote for you about TARP: “Every person who voted for it is going to have explain if not apologize for their vote on it.” That’s not from Jim DeMint, it’s from … Mike Huckabee. Is Mike Huckabee, of all people, now setting the litmus test?



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“Anyone who writes down that he had a significant impact in that election is smoking crack,” one senior Republican aide said.

So why is he getting shit over it then?

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Sorry, Palin and DeMint should have stayed out of Delaware…

That primary was way too divisive… and has taken blurred our focus… they should have known what was going to happen… the “establishment” was probably right…

ninjapirate on September 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM

if O’Donnell loses in Delaware or Angle in Nevada, etc, it is and can only be (a) the fault of the damned RINOs, just like everything else in the world

YEP.

D0WNT0WN on September 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Metallica – For Whom the Bell Tolls (music video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5VhHTzJatw

canopfor on September 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM

So telling the truth is all of a sudden picking a fight? Seriously, urban Republicans are pansies.

SouthernGent on September 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM

OT: CBSnews has a piece right now on the connecticut race and they showed the HOT AIR website as running a hit piece on blumenthal

boy is he lying through his teeth with katie…

cmsinaz on September 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM

And that is why I send no money to the NRSC. I send my money to the conservative candidates. And now I will send some to Jim DeMint! GO TEA PARTY.

bloggless on September 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM

And that is why I send no money to the NRSC. I send my money to the conservative candidates. And now I will send some to Jim DeMint! GO TEA PARTY.

bloggless on September 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM

AMEN!

D0WNT0WN on September 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM

The question isn’t whether conservatives can win, it’s whether they can win at all times, in all places, irrespective of the quality of their candidate.

No one really says that. But at the same time I don’t think that New Englanders and Californians are genetically unable to vote for conservatives to the extent that we concede those entire areas before there’s even an election cycle after cycle.

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 9:20 PM

How come Sarahcuda supported centrist Carly Fiorina instead of Chuck DeVore in the deep blue state of California?

posted at 9:13 pm on September 16, 2010 by Allahpundit

Newsflash: Carly Fiorina is no “centrist.” She took almost exactly the same positions as Chuck DeVore, but he ingratiated himself to the dextrosphere first, ergo: true conservative.

As for the country electing 60 Marco Rubios? If you go state by state, considering that prolife Fiorina has a better than even chance in California, I’d say the country is ready to elect between 62 (31 states) and 80 (40 states) Marco Rubios.

KingGold on September 16, 2010 at 9:20 PM

You know I want to like Demint, but I’ve seen him in videos, and heard him on Laura Ingraham and he seems a little squishy (though I like the fact that Trent Lott SEEMS to dislike Demint and his ilk).

Does anyone else think he might be squishy or is it just me, and I’m off base. I could be wrong but my SQUISHYSENSOR is on 24/7 with anyone in the GOP.

Oddly enough, the sensor never seems to go off when the Progressive/Marxist/Democrats are on TV or on the radio, mmmmmm, wonder why?

PappyD61 on September 16, 2010 at 9:20 PM

YEP.

D0WNT0WN on September 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Thank you for proving my point.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:21 PM

“true conservatives” ever eager to believe the worst about their enemies . . .
The question isn’t whether conservatives can win, it’s whether they can win at all times, in all places, irrespective of the quality of their candidate. “True conservatives,” it seems, believe that they can,

No, we know that if you don’t try to win you never will.

You having a bad day Mr. Pundit? You’ve been cranky all day.

Skandia Recluse on September 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM

They’re attacking DeMint because they are afraid of the one who really brought O’donnell to the forefront.

Rode Werk on September 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM

If you guys want the RINOs out because they’re holding conservatism back, they’re a cancer on the party, blah blah blah, that’s fine but be forthright about it. The sooner this shakes out, the better for everyone.

I thought it’s “true conservatives” who are the cancer. That’s what we’ve been told since November 2008 anyway.

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Scott Brown wondered at yesterday’s caucus meeting whether there’s any room for moderates to disagree on issues anymore;

BTW, while Palin and DeMint should have stayed out, Scott Brown has no reason to grip since he didn’t go to the mat for Castle.

Fred Barnes piece in the Weekly Standard about how Castle could have won is good… he could have done a better job marketing himself.

ninjapirate on September 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Loved the line about not telling the customer they are wrong. We have been told all along (as customers and voters) we are either wrong or we don’t know what we are voting for.

fourdeucer on September 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM

The question isn’t whether conservatives can win, it’s whether they can win at all times, in all places, irrespective of the quality of their candidate.

You are the first one I have heard of who has that question. You are becoming a little too fond of herrings that are red and men who are made of straw.

Luka on September 16, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Good cop. Bad cop.

Has it worked?

Yes.

Khorum on September 16, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Just be happy that everything that the “Republican Establishment” is saying about O’Donnell is only helping her–not hurting her a bit. It’s keeping her in the news, helping her raise money, firing up her supporters, and making her the kind of abused underdog that American’s love to get behind. If the RINOs were secretly trying to help her get elected, they couldn’t do any better.

RBMN on September 16, 2010 at 9:24 PM

DeMint’s looking at 2012, and there’s no way he’s going to be the next Fred Thompson; and I’m glad of that, after suffering teh Fredache of 2008.

notropis on September 16, 2010 at 9:25 PM

i think in Jan of 2010 with obamacare hanging in the balance any person the GOP put up in MA would have won.

It was not Brown. It was that he was 41.

and correct me if I’m wrong here allah did or did not Reagan win in MA and DE not once but twice. And did or did not the Senate turn red for the first time in decades with Reagan. And correct me if I’m wrong Allah but since the GOP under Bush 1 and 2 turned away from Reaganism for moderation the NE has gone totally blue.

We have had 22 years of the GOP becoming more and more moderate in the Bluestates and the results is an alomst total route of the GOP in the NE. How much longer will you and others push the RINO must be in the NE to win theory when the results of that theory is almost total democratic control.

You RINOs are seeing it backwards once again. The more RIONs you all run in the NE the more you all lose. Then you say you lose because they were too conservative and run an even bigger RINO next time.

the RINO politcal theory gave us Dole, Bush and McCain. Bush won by a freaking 2000 votes across the nation and only because Rove played Ohio like a fiddle. Reagan won landslides. not 2000 votes.

the RINO theory of politcal theory like keyenism economic has had terrible results.

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 9:25 PM

I’d rather have a minority of true fiscally conservative Congresscritters, than a bunch of RINOs that vote with the Dems.

kareyk on September 16, 2010 at 9:25 PM

But seriously, though, AP. If it weren’t for “true conservative” types in the tea party and elsewhere, and “true conservatives” speaking out at town hall meetings and in Facebook postings and blog posts and elsewhere, what sort of gains do you think the GOP would be looking at right now?

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 9:25 PM

The Rinos aren’t bad because they go lefty on SOME issues. They are bad when they go lefty on CRITICAL issues.

Health care, RINOS done not too shabby. maybe.

Amnesty, and 40 blue states? RINOs are horrible, and hell, the conservatives are not all that great either.

Cap and Trade, RINOs horrible again.

Ruinous spending? RINOs horrible again, with some conservatives going astray too.

These are the issues that will secure, or destroy, or freedoms and our children’s freedoms, and there is precious little room for error on these issues, hence the conflict.

The other issues are important, but more deviance can be survived in these cases, by the nation.

rightwingyahooo on September 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM

His point about people rooting for O’Donnell to lose because they believe conservatives can’t win is cheap

Please. ‘Tokyo Rove’ has cut campaign ads for Coons for the last 72 hrs, Rove and his ilk are rooting for an O’Donnell defeat.

Amadeus on September 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM

Thank you for proving my point.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:21 PM

No problem. The refusal of Castle supporters (not all but many) to accept the results of the primary is very telling. If they are so concerned about getting an R in there they should be backing her, not undermining her. Yes, I will blame the sore losers.

D0WNT0WN on September 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM

OK, AP! Now you got it. It IS all the fault of the RINOs.

Just kidding, but it sure seems like it’s true much of the time.

JimP on September 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM

The Republican Party is suffering a hostile take-over by the Tea Party. The Establishment Republicans are having fits.

The rank and file are grabbing the party back from the Establishment Republicans for the first time since Teddy Roosevelt.

Progressivism is slowly being squeezed from the party.

When you hear sour grapes coming from a Republican, you can now ID them as a Progressive.

ajacksonian on September 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM

Here’s video of DeMint on Fox yesterday emphasizing that he doesn’t want a Republican majority if it doesn’t stand for anything. I agree — but define “anything.” If a majority of Republicans agree that Congress needs to repeal ObamaCare, balance the budget, and reform Social Security and Medicare, does that qualify as standing for something

The Cornyns/McConnells/Grahams/et al had the majority in the Senate and did what with it? Were they fiscally responsible? Did they present a clear message? Did they differentiate themselves from the dems?

McConnell went home for Christmas instead of fighting obamacare.

Gohawgs on September 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM

The party hacks are really upset over the party chairmanships … but the people are upset over the destruction of their country and way of life. I don’t give a flying F*** over the useless party chairs.

Bankruptcy of the country limits your options to none.

tarpon on September 16, 2010 at 9:27 PM

GO TO WAR MISS AGNES! What is the matter with these people?

Go DeMint!

katy the mean old lady on September 16, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Last night, Rubio was interviewed on Greta, and he certainly gave Demint credit for helping him with his endeavor. He also said Demint was a great example of leadership for the conservative movement. As for Scott Brown whinning about “no room for moderates in the Republican party, may I remind Mr. Brown that he would not be Senator had it not been for the conservatives and the tea party.

mobydutch on September 16, 2010 at 9:27 PM

You having a bad day Mr. Pundit? You’ve been cranky all day.

Skandia Recluse on September 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM

perhaps he’s left-handed

darwin-t on September 16, 2010 at 9:28 PM

PappyD61 on September 16, 2010 at 9:20 PM

no i see the same thing but unlike Bush Demint is the lesser of two evils I can support. demint will ge tus closer to our goal then all the RINOs in DC. but he is a politican so will let us down sooner or later…

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 9:28 PM

How come Sarahcuda supported centrist Carly Fiorina instead of Chuck DeVore in the deep blue state of California?

Because we must defeat Boxer no matter what. Fiorina will try to flex her conservative bonafides for at least the next 6 years.

John the Libertarian on September 16, 2010 at 9:28 PM

DeMint’s looking at 2012, and there’s no way he’s going to be the next Fred Thompson; and I’m glad of that, after suffering teh Fredache of 2008.

notropis on September 16, 2010 at 9:25 PM

Does… anyone aspire to be “The Next Fred Thompson”?

Patrick Ishmael on September 16, 2010 at 9:29 PM

Curious:

What does DeMint’s Democratic opponent in the Senate race have to say about all of this?

notropis on September 16, 2010 at 9:29 PM

may I remind Mr. Brown that he would not be Senator had it not been for the conservatives and the tea party.

mobydutch on September 16, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Damn straight.

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 9:29 PM

Fred Thompson retired from politics.

I hope all politicians aspire to be the next Fred Thompson.

ajacksonian on September 16, 2010 at 9:29 PM

may I remind Mr. Brown that he would not be Senator had it not been for the conservatives and the tea party

Exactly. The real “purists” are the people who refuse to support Christine and other conservatives who won fair and square. They see anyone outside the club, outside the ruling class as being impure and a disease that must be exterminated.

D0WNT0WN on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Per Wikipedia, Jim DeMint’s private sector career before politics:

“Prior to entering politics, DeMint worked in the field of market research. In 1983, he founded his own research firm, the DeMint Group. He was president of this corporation until 1998 when he entered Congress.”

In case you were wondering why I was harping on Promoting the Brand and Generating Buzz, Allahpundit. Seems to me Jim DeMint has a leg up on the rest of his colleagues on the idea of controlling your own narrative on your agenda.

BradSchwartze on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

You having a bad day Mr. Pundit? You’ve been cranky all day.

Skandia Recluse on September 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM

No, just tired of “true conservatives” beating around the bush in refusing to tell RINOs they’re not welcome in the party anymore. If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Sen. DeMint is not helping the situation. He could have sent his email saying that “conventional wisdom is she can’t win….Help me prove that wrong.” It would have had a more positive tone and served his purpose of helping the fund-raising.

He’s been in this game long enough to know better. Primary season is over – it’s time to direct the fire at the opposing team – the Democrats.

Jill1066 on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

You know I want to like Demint, but I’ve seen him in videos, and heard him on Laura Ingraham and he seems a little squishy (though I like the fact that Trent Lott SEEMS to dislike Demint and his ilk).

Does anyone else think he might be squishy or is it just me, and I’m off base. I could be wrong but my SQUISHYSENSOR is on 24/7 with anyone in the GOP.

Oddly enough, the sensor never seems to go off when the Progressive/Marxist/Democrats are on TV or on the radio, mmmmmm, wonder why?

PappyD61 on September 16, 2010 at 9:20 PM

DeMint squishy (Mr 100% ACU rating for the past 2 years -98.55 lifetime)? hahahah, if that is the case we are doomed.

clement on September 16, 2010 at 9:31 PM

I will take the riddle challenge, it will take more than one election.

Read the history of the Whigs in the 1850s, it took 6 years after the Democrats plus their Democrat lite Whigs, passed the Kansas-Nebraska Act and legalized slavery in 1854. It took until Abe Lincoln won the election for the new Republican party. It ended when the Democrats forced the Civil War on America … But newcomer Abe pulled it off in the end.

This go will take at least two.

tarpon on September 16, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Who in the Republican party has urged Delaware residents to support the GOP nominee? Who in the GOP has outlined the weaknesses of Coons? Who?

d1carter on September 16, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Patrick Ishmael on September 16, 2010 at 9:29 PM

Well, of course no one would “aspire,” but DeMint’s clearly not willing to run the slightest risk of making the Fred (or Rudy, for that matter) mistake of the next primary season.

notropis on September 16, 2010 at 9:31 PM

I don’t think Scott Brown has ever been viewed in the right light. Instead of holding him up as a centrist/moderate/RINO for the rest of the GOP to emulate or reject, we need to remember the symbolism of his victory. He won Kennedy’s seat. His victory is more unique because of the circumstances surrounding it than any other election we’ll see for a while. In other words, I don’t see him as part of a trend or direction for the GOP. His situation kinda sets him apart from everyone else.

joejm65 on September 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM

In which case, what do we do now? Support a centrist like Brown or keep nominating Jim DeMint types until the People’s Republic of Massachusetts finally sees the light?

You’re in New York, right? I’m in California. Neither of us can vote in Massachusetts, so how about we let the voters there decide who they want to represent them?

malclave on September 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM

What does DeMint’s Democratic opponent in the Senate race have to say about all of this?

notropis on September 16, 2010 at 9:29 PM

Pudding monkey-car skylight ratchet!

ThePrez on September 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM

You having a bad day Mr. Pundit? You’ve been cranky all day.

Skandia Recluse on September 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM

No, just tired of “true conservatives” beating around the bush in refusing to tell RINOs they’re not welcome in the party anymore. If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

They already did that….at the 1992 Republican convention. After 8 years in the wilderness, we were welcome again…to write checks and pull the right lever in the voting booth.

Jill1066 on September 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM

No, just tired of “true conservatives” beating around the bush in refusing to tell RINOs they’re not welcome in the party anymore. If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Seems to me that Christine and others are asking for all the votes they can get. It seems to be the ruling class, liberal Republicans, and conservatives who supported Castle for strategic reasons who want those filthy wingers out of their party.

D0WNT0WN on September 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM

ajacksonian on September 16, 2010 at 9:29 PM

I stand corrected, and share your sentiments.

notropis on September 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM

Allah Carly Fiorina a debt pick for john McCain Sarah did her debt to john and she free and clear to support conservatives.

bessex on September 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM

No, just tired of “true conservatives” beating around the bush in refusing to tell RINOs they’re not welcome in the party anymore. If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

That sounds a little over dramatic there Nancy.

darwin-t on September 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM

If you guys want the RINOs out because they’re holding conservatism back, they’re a cancer on the party, blah blah blah, that’s fine but be forthright about it. The sooner this shakes out, the better for everyone.

The main problem with RINOs is that they aren’t even reliable on issues they are supposed to be “conservative” on. If you are a socially liberal / economic conservative Republican – fine. But don’t go voting socially liberal -and- economically liberal and expect to be liked. You’re a democrat.

lorien1973 on September 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM

OK, AP! Now you got it. It IS all the fault of the RINOs.

Just kidding, but it sure seems like it’s true much of the time.

JimP on September 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM

What’s happened quite often in the past is that “true conservatives” provide the muscle and legwork and cash to get “moderates” and “RINOs” elected, and then they’re the ones who are told they’re the drag on the party and are an embarrassment. Eventually we’re going to be looking at a real third-party situation.

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM

Scott Brown wondered at yesterday’s caucus meeting whether there’s any room for moderates to disagree on issues anymore;

i feel like the cons have kowtowed to the moderates so that they can place nice with the dems…it didn’t help, they ended up becoming democrate lite on some issues that cost them the majority, imho…

cmsinaz on September 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM

You’re in New York, right? I’m in California. Neither of us can vote in Massachusetts, so how about we let the voters there decide who they want to represent them?

Yeah, I’m in New York. Should I support a Jim DeMint type if he/she runs in New York? Think that person can get elected here? I don’t.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM

No, just tired of “true conservatives” beating around the bush in refusing to tell RINOs they’re not welcome in the party anymore. If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

But you’re not for Obamacare, CIR, or Cap and Trade, are you? Then you’re not much of a RINO.

So why would you support the real ones, who do vote with the left on these issues, ruining the country?

Morrissey was the one supporting a path to cit for illegals back in 2007. That makes him more a RINO than you, assuming you opposed it…..

rightwingyahooo on September 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM

in the party anymore. If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

I believe it’s moderates who have a hard time endorsing conservatives; while conservatives will readily endorse a moderate. A bit of projection in this comment.

lorien1973 on September 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Allah: What would be really nice is if you took a moral stance – one way or the other. However, I can appreciate you make much more advertising $$$ when you ‘straddle the fence’ and argue both sides simultaneously. Nice gig, isn’t it?

alwyr on September 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Looks like DeMint is playing Bad cop to Palins Good cop.

Amadeus on September 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

You are in full on whiny mode, AP. You believe a Republican majority is good for the country, regardless of who compromises that majority. I, at least, disagree. Republicans may be less bad than Democrats, but at some point we have to turn around the trend of the ever growing state, or we’re doomed regardless.

Aquateen Hungerforce on September 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

That sounds a little over dramatic there Nancy.

darwin-t on September 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM

Ah, “Nancy.” There’s that spirit of unity I’ve been healing about.

Say the magic words, macho man: “Christine doesn’t need your RINO votes!” I’m happy to publicize them for you.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

The “Establishment” was warned about the fallout!!

November is almost here,the panic is now setting in!!

The American voters have said repeatedly,Can you hear us now!

canopfor on September 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

No, just tired of “true conservatives” beating around the bush in refusing to tell RINOs they’re not welcome in the party anymore. If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Allah we have told you idiots time and time again we want you in the party we just no longer want you anywhere near leaderhsip or command and control positions. We want your votes. We want to use you for your votes and laugh at you for the next 22 years like you all used us and laughed at us for the last 22 years….fair is fair right?

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Should I support a Jim DeMint type if he/she runs in New York? Think that person can get elected here? I don’t.

Statewide? This year? Hell yes.

rightwingyahooo on September 16, 2010 at 9:36 PM

I stand with DeMint!

If you guys want the RINOs out because they’re holding conservatism back…

No. We only want the RINOs out WHEN (not because) they’re holding good conservatives back.

csThor on September 16, 2010 at 9:36 PM

Eventually we’re going to be looking at a real third-party situation.

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM

Always a good idea. *rolls eyes*

ThePrez on September 16, 2010 at 9:36 PM

If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Why would conservatives not want RINO votes? Hell, RINOs have been demanding conservatives’ votes for years.

We’ll give RINOs the same deal: Support us, and we’ll mouth occasional platitudes that make you feel good; but, mostly we’ll just trash you whenever the media asks for our opinion, then try to shame you into supporting us, for the sake of unity and victory.

notropis on September 16, 2010 at 9:36 PM

God Bless Jim DeMint!!

I’ve contributed already to Christine O’Donnell…this reminds me to do so again!

Justrand on September 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Yeah, I’m in New York. Should I support a Jim DeMint type if he/she runs in New York? Think that person can get elected here? I don’t.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM

I, along with many other New Yorkers, voted for Carl Paladino. I did so enthusiastically. I think a tough, ethnic, authentic New Yorker like Carl can be the DeMint of New York. And yes, you should support him. And no, I don’t care about his stupid e-mails.

D0WNT0WN on September 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM

No, just tired of “true conservatives” beating around the bush in refusing to tell RINOs they’re not welcome in the party anymore. If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

I don’t really think that’s the case. I think people on our side get very irritated when party unity is a one-way street.

I can think of two instances where the party really fractured because of conservatives: NY-23 last year and Jim Buckley’s NY Senate race in the 70′s.

I can think of many more where the party fractured because of supposed “moderates” to our detriment. Wayne Gilchrest and Joe Schwarz endorsing Dems in 2008, Arlen Specter in ’09, Dede Scozzafava endorsing the Dem, Lincoln Chafee bolting the party, Charlie Crist nearly scuttling our Florida bid, and Murkowski’s impending write-in campaign.

How about “moderates” throwing us to the wolves on the stimulus, on cap-and trade, and financial reform? I could go on and on…

KingGold on September 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM

do we stand for “nothing” if we fail to agree with DeMint on everything?

Give me Warp 10 on that Strawman, Scottie. Fire all Red Herring torpedoes, Mr. Spock!

Luka on September 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM

You are in full on whiny mode, AP. You believe a Republican majority is good for the country, regardless of who compromises that majority.

Nope. Once again, a pure smear. I said I agreed with DeMint that the majority has to stand for something; I don’t want 60 Specters either. I just don’t think it has to adopt the Jim DeMint policy plank in its totality.

You guys keep playing conceptual games to defend DeMint without addressing what I’ve actually said. I didn’t say I want the Senate totally moderate, without any room for DeMint. But it sounds sometimes like he *is* saying the opposite. If so, fine. Tell the RINOs to go vote with the Democrats.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Sorry, Palin and DeMint should have stayed out of Delaware…
That primary was way too divisive… and has taken blurred our focus… they should have known what was going to happen… the “establishment” was probably right…
ninjapirate on September 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Yeah, right. Stay out of rough-n-tumble Delaware. (major eye roll).

joejm65 on September 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM

No, just tired of “true conservatives” beating around the bush in refusing to tell RINOs they’re not welcome in the party anymore. If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Give me a break. How many times have “true conservatives” had to hold their noses to vote “for the good of the party”, and DONE SO? Now Castle is defeated in a primary in Delaware, and all of a sudden “moderates” are screaming in agony?

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 9:38 PM

You know what would be great? If stuff like this didn’t really matter because DC wasn’t the center of the god damned universe.

Aquateen Hungerforce on September 16, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Give me Warp 10 on that Strawman, Scottie. Fire all Red Herring torpedoes, Mr. Spock!

Luka on September 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM

It’s DeMint who’s using the strawman, and he torches it and torches it and torches it. No one but no one has ever said we should have a majority that stands for nothing, but that’s one of his chief talking points. And of course, you’d see that if you weren’t such a shill.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:38 PM

He’s sounding awfully bold for a guy who waited for Palin to make the first move to endorse O’Donnell.

Mark1971 on September 16, 2010 at 9:38 PM

No, just tired of “true conservatives” beating around the bush in refusing to tell RINOs they’re not welcome in the party anymore. If that’s what you believe, say it loud and proud that you don’t want RINO votes anymore.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Think you’re overreacting to our obviously valid concerns that the establishment is trying it’s darn best to shift the party to the centre.

csThor on September 16, 2010 at 9:38 PM

here’s something about our light bulbs from Powerline….
looks like the R party is thick with Liberals:

The battle to repeal the light bulb ban relates to another potential battle — the one for leadership of the powerful House Energy and Commerce Committee, should the Republicans win control of the House. Ranking member Barton faces a tenure limitation problem; the service limit Republicans impose on a member’s eligibility to be the ranking member or chairman of a committee expires this year, though Barton could seek a waiver. Thus, Rep. Fred Upton, currently the ranking member of the Energy and Environment subcommittee, is making a move, and is probably the front-runner, for the Committee Chairmanship.

Unfortunately, Upton is not much of a conservative. In fact, I understand that he was a cosponsor of the original lightbulb ban. And, despite the harm done by that ban, when asked to co-sponsor the repeal measure, Upton refused.

The BULB Act thus highlights the need for a conservative Chairman on this committee, which controls not only energy policy, but health care policy as well. Unfortunately, I’ve heard that the House GOP leadership is leaning in favor of Upton. Grass-roots conservatives, the ones who, if things go according to plan, will elevate the GOP leadership into the House leadership, will not amused if that leadership tilts towards moderates when it comes time to select the leadership of committees like Energy and Commerce.

a vast amount of work to do.

r keller on September 16, 2010 at 9:39 PM

His point about people rooting for O’Donnell to lose because they believe conservatives can’t win is cheap

Is this you being provocative, or just mean (different word for cheap).
Demint is EXACTLY correct and the point is rich in irony and wisdom. I was watching Rove weasel this morning. ‘Hey. Just because I tried to undermine O’Donnell with Tea Party people doesn’t make me bad. I’m just an analyst.’
We “true” conservatives and constitutional libertarians need to know who our dependable friends are and who can be counted on only after WE make the bread.

Randy

williars on September 16, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Give me a break. How many times have “true conservatives” had to hold their noses to vote “for the good of the party”, and DONE SO?

How many times have RINOs held their noses to vote for “true conservatives”? You think there are no moderates in South Carolina who vote for DeMint? You think every last Reagan voter was a “true conservative” rather than someone who thought Carter and Mondale sucked? Stop kidding yourself.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Demint is EXACTLY correct and the point is rich in irony and wisdom

Yeah, of course he is. All RINOs are evil traitors. Of course they’re all hoping she loses.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:40 PM

You’re in New York, right? I’m in California. Neither of us can vote in Massachusetts, so how about we let the voters there decide who they want to represent them?

Yeah, I’m in New York. Should I support a Jim DeMint type if he/she runs in New York? Think that person can get elected here? I don’t.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM

In that case, who you vote for in the primary is up to you. If you want to vote for the person who you think has the best shot to win… do it. On the other hand, if you feel another candidate would better represent your state in the Senate and you would rather vote for that person, do that.

Neither choice is wrong.

malclave on September 16, 2010 at 9:40 PM

You’ve got a good shot at a better than average conservative winning in NYS this time around… he comes from my old home town of Buffalo.

You will find more conservatives in upstate NY than downstate due to the lack of NYC in upstate NY. Really the State needs to be divided into Upper York and New York: the social demographics are widely disparate between NYC and Upstate.

Also the iron law of debt and bankruptcy will make even the bluest of areas start to see the light of impending ending of all the social goodies they want. Amazing how that changes minds like nothing else ever will.

ajacksonian on September 16, 2010 at 9:40 PM

I believe it’s moderates who have a hard time endorsing conservatives; while conservatives will readily endorse a moderate. A bit of projection in this comment.

lorien1973 on September 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

I would like to cite a post by Ed from earlier today:

With or without leaners, O’Donnell leads among independents by a narrow margin, 50/42 and 50/46, respectively. She loses 17% of Republicans without leaners, and 20% of Republicans with leaners, while Coons loses 10% and 11% of Democrats, respectively. The problem for O’Donnell doesn’t appear to be the middle of the electorate but with liberal Republicans

D0WNT0WN on September 16, 2010 at 9:41 PM

He’s sounding awfully bold for a guy who waited for Palin to make the first move to endorse O’Donnell.

Mark1971 on September 16, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Well he couldn’t have done it without Palin’s lead, he has to work with RINOs in the senate day-in dayout.

He’s support was a bold move. Full credit.

csThor on September 16, 2010 at 9:41 PM

You know what would be great? If stuff like this didn’t really matter because DC wasn’t the center of the god damned universe.

Aquateen Hungerforce on September 16, 2010 at 9:38 PM

RINOs might agree with you; if the price is right. Or they’ll trash you to get interviewed on MSNBC. You know. Either way, really.

lorien1973 on September 16, 2010 at 9:41 PM

Yeah, I’m in New York. Should I support a Jim DeMint type if he/she runs in New York? Think that person can get elected here? I don’t.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM

You always vote based on electability? I voted for McCain in 2008 knowing full well he was going down. Why WOULDN’T you support a Jim DeMint in New York as opposed to a Chuck Schumer?

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 9:41 PM

But it sounds sometimes like he *is* saying the opposite. If so, fine. Tell the RINOs to go vote with the Democrats.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Allah we want you RINOs to vote for us conservatives because we are the lesser of two evils. we want you all to not be able to go anywhere else with your votes. We want you all to understand if you go 3rd party you will be powerless and looked at like extreme candidates. We want you all to face your inner John anderson.

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 9:41 PM

You think every last Reagan voter was a “true conservative” rather than someone who thought Carter and Mondale sucked? Stop kidding yourself.

What’s wrong with that model? Why not have a lefty left, and a righty right, and let the entire spectrum of voters choose between them?

Conservatives cannot win every race. But they can win a hell of a lot more than they do, if they stand up for their principles…

rightwingyahooo on September 16, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Of course they’re all hoping she loses.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:40 PM

Mike “I will not endorse her” Castle agrees.

lorien1973 on September 16, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Nope. Once again, a pure smear.

Well, you backed Castle because he would beat Coons easily, no? Explain how what I wrote is a smear.

Aquateen Hungerforce on September 16, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Yeah, of course he is. All RINOs are evil traitors. Of course they’re all hoping she loses.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:40 PM

The Delaware Republican Party certainly seemed to take that tack, or else they’d dump their chairman and lean on Castle to endorse.

As it stands, I understand that they were putting out releases bashing O’Donnell even after the primary had concluded. Is that a winning strategy, or are you seeing something I’m not, Allah? Enlighten me.

KingGold on September 16, 2010 at 9:43 PM

Tell the RINOs to go vote with the Democrats.

Allahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Isn’t that the point? We don’t have to tell them. They already do.

SouthernGent on September 16, 2010 at 9:44 PM

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