Rove: I’m not the establishment!

posted at 1:36 pm on September 16, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Karl Rove answered his critics today on Fox News, where — as Rove notes — he works as a political analyst. His outside job, Rove explains, focuses on political campaigning, organizing, and fundraising. In order to maintain credibility, Rove says he has to speak plainly in his role as an analyst, which is why he offered criticism of Christine O’Donnell and Delaware Republicans the past two days. However, Rove insists that he supports the Tea Party and is not a member of the GOP establishment at all, and he makes some good points in this exchange:

I sympathize with Rove, certainly. Bloggers on both sides of the partisan divide have the same conundrum; when does analysis end and advocacy begin? That’s a tough question, and it does go to credibility in each role.

On the other hand, Rove had plenty of time before the primary to make his case about O’Donnell, and did, as an analyst. After it became clear that O’Donnell won the contest, he could have balanced his observations with more insight into Chris Coons, for instance, and perhaps used a more objective tone than he did that evening at the prospect of an O’Donnell candidacy. Rove does take the opportunity to retract the story that Fox reported that night about the supposed NRSC rejection of O’Donnell — although the NRSC’s denial certainly could be self-serving after the avalanche of criticism they got from that leak.

In the end, I think O’Donnell takes the right approach. Karl Rove has worked tirelessly for at least two decades to elect Republicans in good times and in bad, as part of the establishment while at the White House and with the grassroots later. Part of unity after the primaries is burying the hatchet on petty squabbles. It makes no sense to demonize Rove forever after one bad night, just as it makes no sense to keep picking at the Castle v O’Donnell argument after the primary election concluded. Let’s just focus on winning seats on November 2nd with the candidates selected by voters in their own primaries.


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Cheesy Karl grabbing credit for Christine’s donations at the end of the clip.

That was blatantly dishonest. He’s a douche and a turd.

fossten on September 16, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Rove is forcing O’Donnell to get her act together BEFORE Coons has a shot at her.

I agree that she’d better pull her act together the way he advises because she’s on center front stage with all the national lights on her.

Her first public responses regarding his flack have been level headed. Good for her. Focus.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:18 PM

fossten on September 16, 2010 at 3:16 PM

It was “inappropriate”.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:19 PM

huckleberryfriend on September 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM

That honestly sounds like a desperate and convoluted attempt to explain that what is in plain sight isn’t what we are really seeing.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Thank God everyone here doesn’t have your defeatist attitude. Every time someone pi$$e$ on us, we become more determined to get our candidate elected. O’Donnell will win this election!

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Rove speaks with forked tongue.

rplat on September 16, 2010 at 3:20 PM

fossten on September 16, 2010 at 3:16 PM

turds need to be flushed

pseudonominus on September 16, 2010 at 3:21 PM

huckleberryfriend on September 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Rove you magnificent bastard, eh? Well, we’ll see.

Fighton03 on September 16, 2010 at 3:21 PM

CYA Rove

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM

Everyone in the Republican establishment knew what a liberal turd Castle was but the only thing that mattered to them was the “R” next to his name. They were playing a numbers game and figured Castle, warts and all, would push them over 50 and to majority status in the Senate. What they didn’t expect was Delaware Republicans having their fill of Castle rubber-stamping Obama’s agenda.

halfastro on September 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM

Karl’s hostility toward O’Donnell and sympathies toward “the establishment” make it pretty clear who’s side he is on. He can hide under his analyst hat all he wishes, but “the architect” has no clothes.

Karl just continue to bilk your time in the White House for all the dollars you can. Just stay out of the way of the people trying save the Republic by reversing the statist utopia you helped construct, you magnificent elitist bastard.

DeathB4Tyranny on September 16, 2010 at 3:26 PM

Karl has earned another wedgie, one of many he’s received in his lifetime, I’d guess.

james23 on September 16, 2010 at 3:26 PM

Beowolf turning on a tea leaf, based on which hat he is wearing. Feasible; but this is politics.

midlander on September 16, 2010 at 3:27 PM

There’s a fine line between the lie and the rationale.

Rove on the tightrope, a bobbling balancing act.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Thank God everyone here doesn’t have your defeatist attitude. Every time someone pi$$e$ on us, we become more determined to get our candidate elected. O’Donnell will win this election!

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 3:20 PM

nana; you’ve come a long way baby. I now give you the “certified bada$$” seal of approval….

ted c on September 16, 2010 at 3:28 PM

So basically, Rove is being deceptive?

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Karl Rove, Decepticon.

He wants us to think he’s an Autobot.

Lily on September 16, 2010 at 3:28 PM

I thought that O’s response was very gracious and politic. Now lets see if Rove gets in the game to help.

kringeesmom on September 16, 2010 at 3:29 PM

Remember, a lot of Tea Partiers are upset with the establishment. They may have agreed with Rove on certain things, but they most likely didn’t put all their faith into him.

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM

and tha tin a nutshell is the establishment strategy to retain power. Or like I like to call it the 51% rule. the big issues that most americans agree on are not addressed at all. The wedge issues that split america are divided between the parties to get certain groups support until they equal up to close to 45=45 and then the eastablishment’s candidates pick and choose which small issue to fight over in the general election.

things like immigration
cutting taxes
limited smaller government
fiscal sanity etc are not discussed
outsourcing

Look its easy to get 60% of the vote but to do so you have to run against everything the establishment wants and thus if you do like O’donnell or the tea party candidates you get attacked by the special interests.

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Look its easy to get 60% of the vote but to do so you have to run against everything the establishment wants and thus if you do like O’donnell or the tea party candidates you get attacked by the special interests.

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 3:30 PM

EXACTLY why the strong advertising matters all the more.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Karl. Karl. Karl.

What we have heee-eere is a failure to communicate.

viking01 on September 16, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Rove is of course entitled to his professional opinion, however his criticism of O’Donnell is excessive. He just keeps dumping on her. I can’t cut him any slack for that.

CliffHanger on September 16, 2010 at 3:35 PM

just as it makes no sense to keep picking at the Castle v O’Donnell argument after the primary election concluded.

AP just banned Ed.

Bishop on September 16, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Ladd Ehlinger Jr. (Flatlands) makes brilliantly effective political campaign ads.

Ace of Spades interviewed him this past month, btw. He’s a creative genius. Check out his other political ads.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/09/15/chris-matthews-bets-liberal-guest-christine-odonnell-wins-november

I’ve tried to tell ya Tokyo Rove is tryin for Mathews spot on Oddball!

See the above? That about proves it! Matthews goes FOR ODonnell and the Architect sees the opening for his own show and hes’ off and running to a network and pre slotted program with 13 hardcore loyal viewers.

Go Karl Go! Kidding, Kinda, well about the program maybe not the go Karl part.

Especially if as I suspect as a result of the phone calls from Pinnochio and Bite-Me Castle endorses the Marxist Coonz the good riddance Karl krauthammer et all and about that I’m not kiddin!

dhunter on September 16, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Sorry Karl, you were trying way to hard to smear O’Donnell. It was almost personal.

ctmom on September 16, 2010 at 3:38 PM

nana; you’ve come a long way baby. I now give you the “certified bada$$” seal of approval….

ted c on September 16, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Hey, ted c. How are you? Thank you so much, and I will wear the title proudly!

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Rove-FAIL

southsideironworks on September 16, 2010 at 3:39 PM

“COME ON MAN!!”

try again later on September 16, 2010 at 3:41 PM

(quote)This is why I believe Karl can and will help the GOP to a point. It is his only route to power. He believes he can subvert all the new candidates to his side. Except maybe Christine and her Ilk. Christine is more religious than those other Tea Party candidates he supports. Maybe Karl simply hates GOD.

Steveangell on September 16, 2010 at 2:52 PM (endquote)

We shouldn’t demonize Karl Rove for what he said about O’Donnell, except that, if she has baggage that could hurt her in the general election, Rove (and other Republican advisors) should have told Delaware voters BEFORE the primary.

While there is a lot of enthusiasm in the Tea Party movement, and a strong tendency to take down RINOs, there’s no real structure or leadership, and sometimes (not all the time) the Tea Party jumps on bandwagons for candidates that haven’t been well-vetted, or have baggage that doesn’t come out until they’re the GOP nominee.

The Tea Party gave of Rand Paul in KY, who got off to a shaky start, but has stabilized his lead. They gave us Joe Miller in AK, but Sarah Palin knows what she’s doing there. They gave us Sharron Angle in NV, who squandered her lead and is now running dead even. They gave us Marco Rubio in FL, who will soon be a great Senator. They gave us Nikki Haley for Governor of SC, another great pick to give Bobby Jindal company in the smart “macaca” wing of the Republican Party (an offense to George Allen, not to Haley or Jindal).

Fresh off their success in Alaska with Joe Miller, the Tea Party jumped on O’Donnell’s bandwagon on a RINO hunt, but O’Donnell is a weak candidate and a poor fit for Delaware, and Karl Rove is merely pointing out the obvious, just a little late in the game.

We’ve got to stop this “Tea Party vs. the Establishment” mini-war, which serves no purpose except to elect Democrats. Look at New Hampshire, where “establishment” Ayotte (endorsed by Sarah Palin) won narrowly over Tea Partier Lamontagne. But, according to Rasmussen, Ayotte now gets 92% of the GOP vote–so much for the divisive primary! Let’s have our “debates over ideas” in the primaries, then back the primary winners in the general election! Maybe conservatives are better than RINOs, but RINOs are better than Democrats!

Steve Z on September 16, 2010 at 3:45 PM

ctmom on September 16, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Fred Thompson spent yesterday’s show on Rove gone berserk.

This morning Jeri Thompson wrote her critique of the Beltway Boys @ The American Spectator.

Good stuff.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Thank God everyone here doesn’t have your defeatist attitude. Every time someone pi$$e$ on us, we become more determined to get our candidate elected. O’Donnell will win this election!

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 3:20 PM

It’s not “defeatist” to suggest that your team is going to lose when you’re behind 7-27 at the 2 minute warning and no timeouts left.

Republicans stand to do well in November. The small chance we had of taking the Senate is now gone, but why waste one’s energies on the now-unwinnable race in DE?

Whether you agree with them or not, Rove and others had very good reason to be pulling for Castle- he was a near certain win, and O’Donnell is an almost guaranteed loss.

Of course they’ll put aside their public criticisms of her now for the sake of party unity; what’s done is done. What I’m seeing is a lot of people blame Rove and the GOP for the impending win by Coons- it’s not their fault that O’Donnell was doomed from the start. Nothing they have said in the past or will say in the future change her chances; why get worked up about it or them?

Let’s focus on the races we can win, and remember in the future to better vet candidates early in the process.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 3:53 PM

It’s not “defeatist” to suggest that your team is going to lose when you’re behind 7-27 at the 2 minute warning and no timeouts left.

Exaggeration. Cut the differential in half to 10 points, “not insurmountable.”

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Hey, ted c. How are you? Thank you so much, and I will wear the title proudly!

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 3:38 PM

you are welcome, I am well–currently traveling across this great country (coach of course) and having a good time.

ted c on September 16, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Oh hey btw.. COD has a new goal of a cool $1.25 million and is 87% there….

ted c on September 16, 2010 at 3:56 PM

remember in the future to better vet candidates early in the process.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Had you taken your own advice, vetting an dropping Castle and whom voters rejected, and running a staunch fiscal conservative, you wouldn’t be crying now over spilled milk.

Your argument plays Holder’s “coward”.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:59 PM

ted c on September 16, 2010 at 3:56 PM

memorable campaign initials

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Whether you agree with them or not, Rove and others had very good reason to be pulling for Castle- he was a near certain win, and O’Donnell is an almost guaranteed loss.

Except he couldn’t hold his own base against such a loopy, terrible opponent as O’Donnell.

Quite the campaigner this guy! /

Of course they’ll put aside their public criticisms of her now for the sake of party unity; what’s done is done.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Yeah, we are still waiting for that to happen. The NRSC had to be shamed into it and Rove hasn’t done so as yet.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 4:01 PM

EXACTLY why the strong advertising matters all the more.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:32 PM

agreed but you also need a strong bench. people to work the phones, GOTV, cover the media, polling research etc. The establishment denies these type of resources to those people. so ads might get you votes but its the ground game that’s also important and the establishment owns the gorund game

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 4:01 PM

silvernana

Great title there, lady!

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Also – he’s not “alright” – these damned Allatollahs are a bunch of anti-democraticrepublican thugs and bullies – and he defends them. We see now they were only lying about “got a have a majority”.

HondaV65 on September 16, 2010 at 1:47 PM

FIFY… We are a republic, not a democracy.

AH_C on September 16, 2010 at 4:03 PM

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Correctly me if I’m wrong. But exactly what does all her campaign contributions pay for if not administrative staff?

I’d imagine that the local Tea Party voters are avid grassroots activist neighbors, hosting O’Donnell BBQs, providing volunteer support and posting yard signs.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Martha’s hot.

Jaibones on September 16, 2010 at 4:06 PM

She also nails the analysis on this, that somehow if Rove doesn’t like your particular candidate, then he’s a Chamberlain-esque candy-ass RINO establishment shill and closet Linc Chafee supporter.

He claims to have raised $3 million for Sharron Angle, which would seem to discredit any Tea Partier arguments that he’s not a Tea Party fan.

Deep breath, hinterlanders.

Jaibones on September 16, 2010 at 4:12 PM

Correctly me if I’m wrong. But exactly what does all her campaign contributions pay for if not administrative staff?

I’d imagine that the local Tea Party voters are avid grassroots activist neighbors, hosting O’Donnell BBQs, providing volunteer support and posting yard signs.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:05 PM

That’s all true but the local GOP has an organization in place and should be trying to help her. Early today they were even listing Mike Castle as their candidate and had a list of why O’Donnell was a bad choice.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 4:13 PM

I see Rove as the Republican elitist power player. When he says that he’s all for the Tea Party and raising funds for Tea Party candidates, that’s as disingenuous as saying that personally HE himself contributed all those internet donations for O’Donnell.

Nonetheless, as a Republican establishment public figurehead (Bush remains private), Rove’s Texas Two-Step about-face is apparent. That he realized his faux pas and conferred with Cornyn is hilarious. NRSC: “WE NEVER SAID THAT!” Not I, said the duck. Not I, said the pig. Not I, said the goat.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Had you taken your own advice, vetting an dropping Castle and whom voters rejected, and running a staunch fiscal conservative, you wouldn’t be crying now over spilled milk.

Your argument plays Holder’s “coward”.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Castle has run and won numerous races- he’s already been vetted. His conservative creds left something to be desired, but he would’ve won the general. O’Donnell has only run as an “also ran” in races where she was a token opponenent- there was no need to vet her since she had no shot anyways.

Point is, had O’Donnell been vetted early they perhaps could’ve run a more electable, more conservative candidate to challenge Castle instead of the heavily flawed, unelectable (in Delaware) O’Donnell.

DE Republicans as well as O’Donnell’s supporters made the same mistake that the Dems made with Alvin Greene- they didn’t see him as a threat and largely ignored him until it was too late. It’s a lesson we should’ve heeded, but didn’t. Unfortunately Palin the Tea Party Express and others jumped in before taking a hard look at O’Donnell.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 4:16 PM

I’d imagine that the local Tea Party voters are avid grassroots activist neighbors, hosting O’Donnell BBQs, providing volunteer support and posting yard signs.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:05 PM

oh it’s like most professions. Knowing the right people. who to hit up for money, who to promise what too, what reporters are friendly which have an axe to grind. What areas to concentrate GOTV efforts which areas you want to depress votes from etc.

Remember that before the moneybomb O’donnell had about $20,000 on hand. Not a lot to pay someone to por over coons record or have him followed with flip cellphones to ge tthe gotcha moment etc.

Not to mention paying for the gas, travel, meals etc of those volunteers working the phones gotv etc.

Now tha tO’Donnell has the moeny she can hire those peopel but it still takes time to ge tup to speed. newcomers no matter how much money they have ar ebehind the curve simple because of the nature of the beast.

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Utter bullshit, Rove was not just being an objective analyst. He was slapping her with this moral rectitude and student loan crap in a viscious way. what other candidate has he savaged that way? I will never see him the same way again and I surely don’t trust him. He wasnt contrite or apologetic today, he tried a cop out to say he was just being an analyst. And furthermore he still got in the same lines about how she has to clear up all of these personal issues.
He is an arrogant elitist. Good for him if he is helping to raise millions of dollars, but I for one will turn the channel any time I see his fat face again. A few aw shucks comments are not going to fool us again Karl. You made it clear the other night that you DO NOT stand for the same principles that the tea party does. You play the smelly game that has resulted in a congress that is nearly devoid of real conservatives. He’s like the bully who gives you a hug to show you how much he likes you, and while doing so nearly squeezes the breath out of you and roughs you up and then asks “are you ok? I’m just trying to help”. Get lost.

exceller on September 16, 2010 at 4:16 PM

That’s all true but the local GOP has an organization in place and should be trying to help her. Early today they were even listing Mike Castle as their candidate and had a list of why O’Donnell was a bad choice.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 4:13 PM

THAT is a major schism not getting the attention/aid necessary from such as Rove to halt the Castle revolt.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Aren’t you the same one that called COD(taking ted c’s name for her)our version of Alvin Greene? Um, nah, can’t take your points seriously.

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 4:19 PM

“The Establishment” sounds like a boogieman when it comes to Republicans.

Count to 10 on September 16, 2010 at 4:19 PM

you know none of this would have happened if the establishment had principles that they believed in. Most conservatives when Obama won the election and heard what his agenda was knew he was going to fail. We knew they wouldn’t work and started planning from day 1. the GOp establishment didn’t know that thought Obama’s policies would work and he would be very popular in 2010 and thus they did not recurit good caniddate sofr 2010 but placed a lot of scarifical lambs to slaughter. “only getting behind” the sure thing like Crist and castle and Lisa. because you see those people moved to the left to be able to run as friends of Obama in 2010.

If the GOp establishment actually believed in the stuff they cmapaign on this would hav enever happened.

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Except he couldn’t hold his own base against such a loopy, terrible opponent as O’Donnell.

Quite the campaigner this guy! /

Yeah, we are still waiting for that to happen. The NRSC had to be shamed into it and Rove hasn’t done so as yet.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Do you not understand that Delaware is a deep blue state? The Republican base is a very small minority there; she could’ve won 100% of the primary vote and still lose the general.

The NRSC handled it poorly in the immediate aftermath of her win, but quickly reversed themselves. However, there’s not much reason to blow anything more than a token amount of money at an unwinnable race when there are races like Angle / Reid to focus on.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Rove’s on-air meltdown Tuesday night and Wednesday was ridiculous and uncalled for. If he really doesn’t like Christine O’Donnell, he sure blew it because his diatribe probably got her $500,000 in contributions from pissed-off Fox viewers. And this groundswell of support has turned a lot of heads in Washington, including Rove’s, and now they see her as possibly capable of winning the general election.

I think Tuesday night and Wednesday morning he was very much caught up in the math, as a lot of us were, and fairly convinced that picking up the Delaware seat is essential to winning the Senate, and that O’Donnell cannot win it but Castle would have. That doesn’t make him a RINO establishment whatever. It makes him a loyal Republican who thought he was watching a GOP Senate majority going down the toilet. But he sure xcould have been a little less melodramatic about it!

rockmom on September 16, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Count to 10 on September 16, 2010 at 4:19 PM

You have made some excellent points today..:)

Dire Straits on September 16, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Cheer the folks who have now donated $1.1M to her campaign. Their web-editing has been most entertaining, as they repeatedly strike out the lower goals and up the ante.
They’re still taking in about a ~$1000 / minute.

Meanwhile, the National-level RNC is BROKE under Steele’s flaccid feckless “leadership”. carcely $5M after running around for months relentlessly downtalking the GOP’s chances of winning EITHER house. ‘Managing expectations’ eveyr downward to cover their own inept failures to perform their jobs. In ONE DAY this ‘no account loser’ of a candidate has raised ONE-FIFTH of the RNC’s bank account.
Steele has had that job for 21 months and produced NOTHING (excepting division and wrongheaded nonsense like NY23).

FIRE STEELE.

rayra on September 16, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Aren’t you the same one that called COD(taking ted c’s name for her)our version of Alvin Greene? Um, nah, can’t take your points seriously.

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 4:19 PM

That might have been little harsh, but only a little. Unlike Greene, COD can speak in full sentences. The analogy still holds in a lot of ways though. She was unknown, inexperienced, (apparently) unemployed, broke, poorly vetted, a bit kooky, unelectable, etc. She has more than a few things in common with Greene.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Time for all the RINO porkers to pack it in. No more big-time Tax and Spenders!

We’ll end up in the same place with either elitist bunch:

The Dimmis will put the car in ‘D’ and drive it off the debt cliff.

The RINOs will put the car in ‘R’ and slowly reverse it off the debt cliff a while later.

So what’s the difference if we go broke faster or slower – we’re still flat-a$$ broke! Only the porky RINOs like Castle, Rove, Christ and Murky get us there a few minutes later. Big whoop-dee-doo!

Ogabe on September 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM

unseen on September 16, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Two months ago, Fred Thompson (discussing Angle in Nevada) reminded everyone of his own experience; that the candidate’s character isn’t enough to win an election. Like it or not, a successful campaign is run by the right professionals hired to administrate, making all the decisions that provides the difference between winning and losing.

I think O’Donnell extended the olive branch to Rove. She didn’t demand an apology; rather, she acknowledged all of his contributions that enabled the Republican Party to succeed in campaigns.

The elitist Rove is not about to apologize for anything. And for his own power base, he is willing to provide O’Donnell at least with his facade of conditional approval.

If Rove were to show penance for being the @sshole on air, he’d personally oversee O’Donnell’s campaign, hiring exactly the “right” people and actually provide her success. But being the jerk that he is concerning the come-uppant Tea Party movement that presumes to be able to succeed without his direction, Rove’s personal help would be to sabotage her campaign.

Maybe Jeri Thompson might have some helpful connections to direct O’Donnell’s way.

I noted the other day that Sarah Palin is to the Tea Party candidate campaigns what Karl Rove was to the successful neoconservative RINO campaigns of the GWBush era.

Perhaps Palin has been organizing a staff of campaign advisers and MANAGERS to distribute on demand.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Gallup reported that 37.4% of the people of the First State describe themselves as conservative — or nearly double the 19% who describe themselves as liberals.

So this is what counts as a “deep blue” state?

exceller on September 16, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 4:26 PM

You may resemble Greene yourself, given that analogy’s lack of credibility.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:34 PM

New Hampshire can’t be too socialist given their citizens’ gun rights to own and carry.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:38 PM

That might have been little harsh, but only a little. Unlike Greene, COD can speak in full sentences. The analogy still holds in a lot of ways though. She was unknown, inexperienced, (apparently) unemployed, broke, poorly vetted, a bit kooky, unelectable, etc. She has more than a few things in common with Greene.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Hollowpoint: A lot of people are unknown and inexperienced, but isn’t that what we’re trying to do – get some fresh new faces in office? A lot of people are unemployed and broke now, so she sounds a lot like one of us. I believe people can relate to all that. She has run for office before, so she has been vetted, and most important of all, the people in Delaware know her well and voted overwhelmingly for her in spite of her shortcomings, so you can’t say she is unelectable, and we should take the voters word for it.

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Eh. Delaware gun laws.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:42 PM

So this is what counts as a “deep blue” state?

exceller on September 16, 2010 at 4:31 PM

They went 62% for Obama in 2008. So, yeah.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 4:49 PM

No need to “demonize” Rove forever, but there are plenty of reasons to treat him with the same respect accorded advice from Alan Colmes or Al Sharpton.

The 2 George Bush administrations oversaw the near destruction of Republican party power – Rove was there every step of the way. Bush, with Rove at his side, opened the door for the Fannie/Freddie takeover, TARP, and the GM takeover, presenting Obama/Pelosi with a fertile field for the stimulus and ensuing calamities.

Rove prove skilled at getting George Bush elected twice, but he is not a conservative, and has demonstrated that he carries no brief for limited government or candidates who favor it.

Rove is not a novice on TV. He had to know that his two Fox attacks on O’Donnell would provide plenty of ammunition for the Democrats and their media allies.

pilsener on September 16, 2010 at 4:50 PM

But he sure xcould have been a little less melodramatic about it!

rockmom on September 16, 2010 at 4:21 PM

OK, mom…but Martha is still hot.

Jaibones on September 16, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Eh. Delaware gun laws.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 4:42 PM

It’s because we had an attorney general a few years ago who was pretty 2nd-amendment-friendly.

Her name was Jane Brady…. obviously no relation to the anti-gun Brady Campaign people.

UltimateBob on September 16, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Rove not the establishment? Then what exactly has Rove been doing the last twenty years with Bush 2, Ashcroft, Corynn, Ashcroft and others?

Jimbo3 on September 16, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Please, coulda, woulda, shoulda. The man trashed the official GOP candidate not once, not twice, but thrice.

And he can claim all he wants that he’s hired to be an analyst. But that 3rd time? That third time told me?

He’s got one huge hard-on for this candidate. His buddy didn’t make it. There’s only one reason I can think of for his melt-down. He constructed the campaign for Castle….and he blew it.

AnninCA on September 16, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Gallup reported that 37.4% of the people of the First State describe themselves as conservative — or nearly double the 19% who describe themselves as liberals.

So this is what counts as a “deep blue” state?

exceller on September 16, 2010 at 4:31 PM

And what’s their definition of “conservative?” Fiscal? Social?

I might buy the fiscal conservative label. Delaware is a pretty business-friendly environment.

UltimateBob on September 16, 2010 at 5:09 PM

I think a lot of GOP biggies will keep hammering at O’Donnell. She must not win. If she does, then the “Palin is unelectable” dogma goes out the window and all hell breaks loose.

Has any Republican voiced any criticism of Coons yet?

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 5:21 PM

Somehow I don’t think many Delewarians(sp?) have a clue what conservative stands for. Other than the Tea Party folks, this is prime RINO/Marxist country!

Ogabe on September 16, 2010 at 5:22 PM

By the way, I’ve always considered Rove to be more “Bush family establishment” than “GOP establishment” anyway.

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 5:22 PM

This whole Rove-O’Donnell thing the past couple of days is very troubling, very troubling.

And I don’t for one second buy Rove’s hooey explanation about having to “speak plainly” as an analyst. How does “Analyst-Rove” differ from “Some-other-Rove.” His “analysis” as an “analyst” IS the problem over the past couple of days.

Look, Rove should believe what he believes – but cut the crappola of back-peddling when you get criticized for it.

seanrobins on September 16, 2010 at 5:24 PM

And I don’t for one second buy Rove’s hooey explanation about having to “speak plainly” as an analyst. How does “Analyst-Rove” differ from “Some-other-Rove.” His “analysis” as an “analyst” IS the problem over the past couple of days.

seanrobins on September 16, 2010 at 5:24 PM

I don’t recall his dwelling on Dubya’s DUI.

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 5:31 PM

I like Rove! (Hi to Cali!)

kcd on September 16, 2010 at 5:41 PM

I don’t really care what Rove, or any other establishment Republican says or does. I stopped contributing to the GOP years ago and I do not plan on giving to anything to their re-election committees (house, senate, state whatever). I now use that money to support individual candidates. REAL conservative candidates.

Zorro on September 16, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Karl Rove is Turd Blossom!

patch on September 16, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Hey Rove – shut up and go to your room. You have worn out your welcome. Take Steele with you. Stop it with the denial of what you actually said. You are ungracious and as always an elitist in your refusal to drop it. You are incessant, enough already. You have lost a ton of cred bud and doubtful if you will gain it back. Why not get yourself all wee weed up about Coons????? Otherwise, stay in your room….

highninside on September 16, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Has any Republican voiced any criticism of Coons yet?

ddrintn on September 16, 2010 at 5:21 PM

Nope, they are focused entirely on the teaparty wins. And they’ll blame them for losses, when it’s patently clear that they aren’t remotely interested in working in AK or in DE for a win.

They need to go. Frankly, this season has proven that they really needed to go quite some time ago.

AnninCA on September 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Hey Mr. Architect…..

…..YOUR Legacy is a crippled GOP run by your Progressive Cocktail party Elites in Georgetown, and a radical Marxist in the White House. Thanks Karl.

…..YOU sneer at we the people/yokels/rubes/NASCAR hicks and hayseeds, WE ARE ONTO YOU.

……YOU ARE THE QUINTESSENTIAL ESTABLISHMENT BUSH FAMILY favorite…….and the purge has just begun.

PappyD61 on September 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Rove was commenting that the poll releasesd the next day showed O’Donnell down by 11 points? WTF. Karl might want to take a time out, pray and then come back. His analysis is banal and his self-promotion is FAIL. Other than that Rove is bomb. Also, If Rove loved this country and conservatism, he would as such a smart fellow have figured out a way for the GOP to run someone who would fight to win in 2008. The Republican brand will forever be tainted by McCain. Sorry. Only something that bad could create an Obama.

chaswv on September 16, 2010 at 6:08 PM

THE BEARDED MARXIST“……..though NOW Coons says he was only kidding / a joke you see.

Pass this link around (this is even a POLITICO story). There is probably one from Fox or such that doesn’t let him get away with the “I was just joking” theme.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36726.html

Hey Karl, you fine with a bearded Marxist in the Senate? There is already one in the Oval so why not I guess.

PappyD61 on September 16, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Has no one heard the term “Hedging a Bet”?

Karl Rove is a political insider – and his livelihood depends on him STAYING on the inside.

As long as the establishment stays in power – he stays on the inside and that is why he went ballistic on Christine O’Donnell. He’s never done that with any Democrat – he did it with O’Donnell though because Tokyo Rove’s lightbulb has finally turned on and he realizes that O’Donnell represents a Tea Party Tsunami that he vastly underestimated. He’s attempting to wound her – but his real goal is to wound the Tea Party – because if they get power – he will no longer be an insider, and this is because the tea party is going to take all the establishment in leadership positions and fire their asses.

Ahhhh … but Tokyo Rove also thinks … “What if all the efforts of myself and the establishment fail?”

He needs to have some credibility with the Tea Party if it does win power. So he’s donating to one of their most cherished candidates – Sharon Angle, and also to guys like Marco Rubio.

He’s hedging his bets that’s all. It’s all the more enjoyable for him because Harry Reid is a guy he intensely despises.

HondaV65 on September 16, 2010 at 6:16 PM

it’s starting . . . all the left wing rags and political elitists are ratcheting up their attacks on all the surging conservatives. Fight back hard and don’t give them an inch.

rplat on September 16, 2010 at 6:29 PM

Rove’s on-air meltdown Tuesday night and Wednesday was ridiculous and uncalled for. If he really doesn’t like Christine O’Donnell, he sure blew it because his diatribe probably got her $500,000 in contributions from pissed-off Fox viewers. And this groundswell of support has turned a lot of heads in Washington, including Rove’s, and now they see her as possibly capable of winning the general election.

I think Tuesday night and Wednesday morning he was very much caught up in the math, as a lot of us were, and fairly convinced that picking up the Delaware seat is essential to winning the Senate, and that O’Donnell cannot win it but Castle would have. That doesn’t make him a RINO establishment whatever. It makes him a loyal Republican who thought he was watching a GOP Senate majority going down the toilet. But he sure xcould have been a little less melodramatic about it!

rockmom on September 16, 2010 at 4:21 PM

If you look at the interview and his face and body lanquage, I think he was genuinely pissed because Castle must be a good friend. I’m getting this from something Dana Perrino said earlier on the same show
I think it was just personal in this case and it got the best of him. He wasn’t functioning as an analyst but as someone who saw his good friend attacked and beaten.
There must have been something that Castle did in the background to help the bushies(maybe some vote or maybe some liason role to somebody) something we don’t know about.

And after watching Palin on O’reily show maybe this is some spill over from the Mccain/Bush realtionship.
There is just something about this that strikes me odd. I mean if he is smart enough to know how this would go over.

kangjie on September 16, 2010 at 6:33 PM

Karl Rove is a big fan of whomever has the power.

liquidflorian on September 16, 2010 at 6:34 PM

rove jumped the shark

right4life on September 16, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Rove didn’t just rain on O’Donnell’s victory parade once. He followed up his Hannity attack with another attack on Greta’s show. As a professional political operative/analyst he knew better and should have shifted into a review of Coons as soon as the primary was over.

Gohawgs on September 16, 2010 at 6:50 PM

The fact of the Obama, Peolsi and Reid ascendancy during the Regime of Rove is all one needs to know. Rove may win the skirmishes but always will lose the strategic war. In chess Rove will take all the pawns but his King is checkmated. Thus the fruits of the Rove Gambit. Lose – lose – lose.

HalJordan on September 16, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Today, Rush said.. “there must be something personal going on here because the comments are not rational”….

highninside on September 16, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Rove made a big mistake. However I’m not willing to throw him out of the party for it. I do suggest we keep an eye on him.
BTW, whoever said they weren’t too impressed with the “architect” was reading my mind.

Hard Right on September 16, 2010 at 6:59 PM

The left, not the right, defined Karl Rove as a genius. Why? Because their favorite caricature of G.W. was that of an idiot. A political idiot can’t beat you in elections…..hence Rove must be the genius behind him.

HalJordan on September 16, 2010 at 7:00 PM

I’ve been disappointed in FoxNews ever since they first gave this clown air time. Karl Rove was called the “architect” because he was the quintessential NEOCON. For years, I had no idea what a “neocon” was. Turns out, it’s a Big Government Conservative; which, of course, is a contradiction in terms. So a better term would be Statist. But if that’s too harsh, I like to call them the Aristocracy — the would-be Nobility of America.

It appears that, rather than two separate parties, there have for decades simply been opposing factions in One Big Government Party. Those not within this single, Big Government, party are termed “radicals” or “extremists”. This is how the American Nobility refers to its subjects. The so-called “establishment” of the Republican Party must be ousted — destroyed utterly. Do not buy into party loyalty, or the party “line”. Neither exist. Do not buy into the “Big Tent”. You’re not invited. There is only a cabal of Statists/Neocons/Aristocrats trying to maintain control of both parties. Most of all, do not be fooled by the attempts of these “establishment” Republican Aristocrats to get back into your good graces by pretending to be conservative. They despise you as much as the Democrats do.

Lawrence Talbot on September 16, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Oh come on.

How about some intellectual integrity.

“Establishment” is “Establishment” except when it’s expedient for it not to be “Establishment”?

Dick Armey, Establishment: aka Freedom Works, aka Tea Party Express… http://www.teapartyexpress.org/

Richard Keith “Dick” Armey (pronounced /’?rmi/; born July 7, 1940 in Cando, North Dakota) is a former U.S. Representative from Texas’s 26th congressional district (1985–2003) and House Majority Leader (1995–2003). He was one of the engineers of the “Republican Revolution” of the 1990s, in which Republicans were elected to majorities of both houses of Congress for the first time in four decades. Armey was one of the chief authors of the Contract with America. Armey is also an author and former economics professor. After his congressional career he worked as a consultant and advisor.

Texas Gal on September 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM

That doesn’t make him a RINO establishment whatever. It makes him a loyal Republican who thought he was watching a GOP Senate majority going down the toilet. But he sure xcould have been a little less melodramatic about it!

rockmom on September 16, 2010 at 4:21 PM

A loyal Republican doesn’t go on national television and savage a fellow Republican who just won the primary.

What he did was akin to politically assasinate her doing his best to ensure her defeat.

Now perhaps he was being loyal, but it wasn’t toward the Republican Party of DE who voted for her or the National Republican Party because by hurting her chances of winning and her hurt their chances of taking the Senate.

So where exactly does this guy’s loyalties lie? To whom is he being loyal? What does he gain by hurting this woman’s chances in the most public fashion imaginable?

TheBigOldDog on September 16, 2010 at 7:06 PM

highninside on September 16, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Bingo!

This is a guy who lives on nuance and fractions. The remarks were either the result of his having a contract with Gov. Castle or a really bad day.

His benevolently smiling visage which appeared in a skylight at my place in Colorado after I got a signed copy of his book has vanished.

My waistline and eyesight continue with their improvement and my hair is better than ever, so I don’t know. They got better after I got the book and Mr. Rove should have contacted me for an informercial.

I need to get back to the bayou or Haiti for more divinations to conclude something about Mr. Rove. The last visit there predicted disaster for The One in a chain of six major things. Heck — he passes that total in two weeks.

I won a bet I had when I picked The One to goof before His staff or Plugs Biden.

IlikedAUH2O on September 16, 2010 at 7:07 PM

So it took Christine O’Donnell twenty years to pay back her college loans…..I always thought the tortoise was the hero in the fable….

theaddora on September 16, 2010 at 7:07 PM

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