Rove: I’m not the establishment!

posted at 1:36 pm on September 16, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Karl Rove answered his critics today on Fox News, where — as Rove notes — he works as a political analyst. His outside job, Rove explains, focuses on political campaigning, organizing, and fundraising. In order to maintain credibility, Rove says he has to speak plainly in his role as an analyst, which is why he offered criticism of Christine O’Donnell and Delaware Republicans the past two days. However, Rove insists that he supports the Tea Party and is not a member of the GOP establishment at all, and he makes some good points in this exchange:

I sympathize with Rove, certainly. Bloggers on both sides of the partisan divide have the same conundrum; when does analysis end and advocacy begin? That’s a tough question, and it does go to credibility in each role.

On the other hand, Rove had plenty of time before the primary to make his case about O’Donnell, and did, as an analyst. After it became clear that O’Donnell won the contest, he could have balanced his observations with more insight into Chris Coons, for instance, and perhaps used a more objective tone than he did that evening at the prospect of an O’Donnell candidacy. Rove does take the opportunity to retract the story that Fox reported that night about the supposed NRSC rejection of O’Donnell — although the NRSC’s denial certainly could be self-serving after the avalanche of criticism they got from that leak.

In the end, I think O’Donnell takes the right approach. Karl Rove has worked tirelessly for at least two decades to elect Republicans in good times and in bad, as part of the establishment while at the White House and with the grassroots later. Part of unity after the primaries is burying the hatchet on petty squabbles. It makes no sense to demonize Rove forever after one bad night, just as it makes no sense to keep picking at the Castle v O’Donnell argument after the primary election concluded. Let’s just focus on winning seats on November 2nd with the candidates selected by voters in their own primaries.


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His role has been to get Republicans elected.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 2:07 PM

He kinda sucks at that!

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:09 PM

His role has been to get Republicans elected.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 2:07 PM

He’s not very good at that is he!

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM

“I’m a big Tea Party fan.”

Yup Karl, and so is Barack Obama.

Jeckle on September 16, 2010 at 2:12 PM

His role has been to get Republicans elected.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 2:07 PM

He’s not very good at that is he!

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM

He’s only worked for one guy as far as I know, and he did okay there.

RBMN on September 16, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Is Rove good at getting Republicans elected? Absolutely. Is he good at advancing the conservative agenda? Eh, not so much.

gryphon202 on September 16, 2010 at 2:13 PM

He’s only worked for one guy as far as I know, and he did okay there.

RBMN on September 16, 2010 at 2:12 PM

He worked to get Castle elected and that didn’t work out too well.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Rove says he has to speak plainly in his role as an analyst, which is why he offered criticism of Christine O’Donnell and Delaware Republicans the past two days.

Their is criticism and then there is attack. Rove’s was an attack and a rabid one. He is not even a good liar.

Jeckle on September 16, 2010 at 2:15 PM

Ed, letting it go is all well and good, but Karl is the one now for three days straight (not one bad night) keeping it going trashing O’Donnell. He can call it analysis if he wants, but after the first time trashing her he is now on a mission, it seems.

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 2:17 PM

They will have the ability to look at every aspect of Washington with clear vision, but only for a time, so the most has to be made of it.

DFCtomm on September 16, 2010 at 2:09 PM

I understand your thinking here, but the donks tried this message with Obie. As long as we focus on cleaning house, and not be afraid to let it be know this is the ‘demo’ phase of the plan I think it will still work. For the rebuilding phase, we need a bit of experience in the right fields (that would be private business, not community organizing).

Fighton03 on September 16, 2010 at 2:18 PM

tjexcite on September 16, 2010 at 2:04 PM

I just can’t believe that Rove’s continuing criticism of Christine is some sort of scheme to help her raise money. After watching him try to back away from what he said, and after seeing the NRSC first say they would not help her and then agreeing to back her, it just doesn’t seam feasible that they have their act together that well. Rove and Cornyn were simply throwing a temper tantrum.

Christine has the momentum on her side after winning the primary. I think the American people would have money-bombed her anyway, after seeing that she can thrash an establishment candidate like Castle.

UltimateBob on September 16, 2010 at 2:19 PM

Karl is clearly concerned about being labeled as anti-tea party or pro establishment, and he has done good work for Angle and other candidates with his organization so I’m willing to man hug this one out and let it go. the problem I had with him is that analysis of O’Donnel seemed more sneering than objective and he sounded a lot like her Rino critics. I don’t think he has much respect for O’Donnell, but she IS the nominee, she is the conservative and if she wins she would be 100% better than Castle. Rove just wouldn’t let it go and laid into her on two different occasions which came across as more personal than analytical.

Still, I am willing to forgive him because I am pretty confident he rather see DeMint in control of the Senate than McConnell. He should have came out and said it before in his first attack on O’Donnel, but she does need to find a proper response to the questions on her money problems and character (has he worded like this to begin with, we would have been easier on him).

One guy who scroes big in my book and continues to do so is Dick Morris. Morris is not as conservative as Rove or a lot of these other so called conservative pundits on television, but he has backed both the tea party from the beginning and praised O’Donnell since her victory. He also offers well thought out analysis of his own. Kudos to Dick.

Daemonocracy on September 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Rove says he has to speak plainly in his role as an analyst, which is why he offered criticism of Christine O’Donnell and Delaware Republicans the past two days.

Their is criticism and then there is attack. Rove’s was an attack and a rabid one. He is not even a good liar.

Jeckle on September 16, 2010 at 2:15 PM

Rove’s mission to get castle elected ended election night.

Fighton03 on September 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Is Rove good at getting Republicans elected? Absolutely. Is he good at advancing the conservative agenda? Eh, not so much.

gryphon202 on September 16, 2010 at 2:13 PM

He wasn’t so hot in 2006 and 2008.

The Architect Has No Clothes

What will a Senate majority full of Olympia Snowes and John McCains and Lindsey Grahams get you? Easy. Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid in power. This is exactly the legacy of the Bush presidency –and Rove was right there at the levers of power the entire way.

Truth be told, Rove’s biggest architectural accomplishment is the Obama administration. By doing his part as senior advisor to the president to define conservatism down, he sullied the reputation and disoriented the understanding of what it means to be conservative to millions of half-informed voters nationwide.

Which raises the question I’ve had for ten years: can we finally — once and for all — bury the myth of the “architect”? With all due respect, putting together a strategy that forged a statistical tie with Gore-Lieberman and edged Kerry-Edwards by 3 points with the power of incumbency is not the stuff of genius.

Lee Atwater would be ashamed of such results.

Luka on September 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Rove is so 2000.

Its a new Decade.

portlandon on September 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Unfortunely, those who seem to think that they are smarter and/or more sophisticated than others, seem to have a problem letting go.

kingsjester on September 16, 2010 at 2:21 PM

His role has been to get Republicans elected.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Hell of a job, Turd Blossom!

Basically destroying the GOP brand in less than 8 years. It would still have been on life support it hadn’t been for the Tea Party.

Norwegian on September 16, 2010 at 2:21 PM

Sorry, Mr. Rove.
Please take your place in the museum next to the Newt Exhibit.

But, before you go: would you mind telling all of us here just what it was that you did in all those months prior to the primary, after you asked the Tea Partiers to drop O’Donnell…just what hijinks did you engage in, to the benefit of Castle? With the help of the White House?

Buh bye!

Lockstein13 on September 16, 2010 at 2:21 PM

Rove’s mission to get castle elected ended election night.

Fighton03 on September 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM

The question is what’s his mission now?

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:22 PM

He’s only worked for one guy as far as I know, and he did okay there.

RBMN on September 16, 2010 at 2:12 PM

2006 called to say hi.

fossten on September 16, 2010 at 2:23 PM

I haven’t commented much about this race because I have mixed feelings. While I was hoping that the RINO would be defeated I do feel that O’Donnel is, in fact, nutty. (I remember her from TV in the 90′s).

I hope the tea party doesn’t strap itself to colorful candidates that will lead to their demise, like the Reform Party.

But having said that, it’s nice to have stuck a finger in the eye of the ruling class, but the tea party should not revolve around one or a few colorful candidates that may be off-putting to people who would otherwise be allies.

Let’s not repeat the Reform Party’s mistakes.

FloatingRock on September 16, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Rove is so 2000.

Its a new Decade.

portlandon on September 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM

It’s a new millennium, too.

2000 was the last year (the 2000th year) of the last millennium. 2001 was the first year of the new millennium.

Not to get technical on ya. ;-)

UltimateBob on September 16, 2010 at 2:24 PM

May I ask for your opinion about Dick Morris? I am just curious because sometimes I HAVE wondered why Conservatives have accepted him so easily (not that I have not liked what he says sometimes) with him being Clinton’s right hand man at one time. I think I will find your anaolgy interesting. Ta!

Gob on September 16, 2010 at 2:04 PM

I’ve always been suspicious of him. He knows his Fox gig is necessary for the exposure he needs, so he rides the wave. Once he was reviewing some election projections and used the word “we” in talking about Republicans. O’Reilly then asked him why he included himelf as such and Morris said he had always been a conservative Democrat but his party had left him so he was now a Republican. Maybe so. Maybe not. The differene between he and Rove is that Rove won’t be shifting sides, but is still for sale within a smaller sphere and is higher in the pecking order than Morris ever will be. Rove needs to maintain that. Everything a political consultant does is predicated on what is best for them. I suppose that could be said for all of us, but I really like the dissembling.

a capella on September 16, 2010 at 2:25 PM

He owes ODonnell a public apology and he should work on her campaign pro bono, win or lose. Otherwise I turn my back on the man.

Dr. Dog on September 16, 2010 at 1:49 PM

O’Donnell should keep well clear of Tokyo Rove. He’s mediocre at best and cannot be trusted to work in her interest. It’s not spite. It’s simply recognizing people for what they show you they are.

Extrafishy on September 16, 2010 at 2:25 PM

One guy who scroes big in my book and continues to do so is Dick Morris. Morris is not as conservative as Rove or a lot of these other so called conservative pundits on television, but he has backed both the tea party from the beginning and praised O’Donnell since her victory. He also offers well thought out analysis of his own. Kudos to Dick.

Daemonocracy on September 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Morris is greasy, but he’s right more than he’s wrong.

DFCtomm on September 16, 2010 at 2:27 PM

like

should be dislike

a capella on September 16, 2010 at 2:27 PM

You sometimes need to give tough love to your friends when they drink from the wrong bottle. And Karl was DEFINITELY drinking from the wrong bottle in Deleware!

michaelo on September 16, 2010 at 2:28 PM

anybody else find the entertainment value in the far right spending the day today attacking karl rove? – spawn of mccain

I find this girl hilarious at times.

Blake on September 16, 2010 at 2:28 PM

The question is what’s his mission now?

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:22 PM

I don’t know. That’s kind of up to him to demonstrate. So far it looks like he’s playing weasel boy to cover up for his ‘ah sh!t’. I found it odd that he dodged the question of will he support her, by lecturing her about being forthright and candid in answering questions.

Fighton03 on September 16, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Rove was a paid shill acting like an uninvolved party. Sounds pretty unethical.

SirGawain on September 16, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Tokyo Rove was angry Tuesday night. He was not acting as a detached analyst. His rant hurt his credibility and that of the establishment GOP.

d1carter on September 16, 2010 at 2:30 PM

I think Rove is off the reservation but I understand his perspective enough that I’m not going to hold it against him. I’m glad O’Donnel won but there’s no denying that she’s imperfect. It may be a mistake to gamble the future of the Tea Party on her by giving her so much focus.

FloatingRock on September 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Rove endorsed every Republican, blanket statement. He just gave Christine O’Donnell some very expensive and paramount to fulfill political advice here, what she needs to do now in order to win.

1. aggressive case vs. Obama’s spending
2. candidly and succinctly provide answers to her past

She could consider Rove’s initial reaction as reality smacking her in the face. That’s how he framed it as a FOX News consultant paid to be frank.

Rasmussen has her 11 points behind Coons. “Fasten your seatbelts. It’s going to be a bumpy ride.”

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM

I haven’t seen reverse gear slammed this hard since the Isralie/Egyptian war. Bad for the gearbox there Karl.

44Magnum on September 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM

I understand your thinking here, but the donks tried this message with Obie. As long as we focus on cleaning house, and not be afraid to let it be know this is the ‘demo’ phase of the plan I think it will still work. For the rebuilding phase, we need a bit of experience in the right fields (that would be private business, not community organizing).

Fighton03 on September 16, 2010 at 2:18 PM

If the takeover is successful then I’m sure they’ll do that. They will slowly become more comfortable with the traditional levers of power, and that may indeed be when they are most effective, but not long after that they will become what they now are attempting replace.

DFCtomm on September 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Tokyo Rove was angry Tuesday night. He was not acting as a detached analyst. His rant hurt his credibility and that of the establishment GOP.

d1carter on September 16, 2010 at 2:30 PM

which is good for the tea partiers, no? Just to play devil’s advocate…is it wheels within wheels, or does occam’s razor apply?

Fighton03 on September 16, 2010 at 2:33 PM

d1carter on September 16, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Quit whining and get over it.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:33 PM

44Magnum on September 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM

You’d have him not reverse initial reaction?

No one’s perfect, O’Donnell would agree.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:34 PM

They will slowly become more comfortable with the traditional levers of power, and that may indeed be when they are most effective, but not long after that they will become what they now are attempting replace.

DFCtomm on September 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Being a politician is a little like putting on underwear. It’s nice clean and gives a great fresh feeling when you first put them on..but don’t wear them too long.

Fighton03 on September 16, 2010 at 2:34 PM

I found it odd that he dodged the question of will he support her, by lecturing her about being forthright and candid in answering questions.

Fighton03 on September 16, 2010 at 2:29 PM

I suspect he wants her to lose, though whether that is a personal vendetta or something more I am unsure of.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Where did Rove raise that $20 million from? It wasn’t from the grassroots! So yes, you are apart of the Establishment Rove and you’re not fooling anyone.

milemarker2020 on September 16, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Rove on FNC
FAIR AND BALANCED
Minimized Castle’s huge problems with the base.
Minimized Coon’s huge problems.
Maximized O’Donnell’s problems while ignoring any explinations. Excuse me exactly why is it wrong to post answers to smears on your own Web Site. What does he exactly want her do do? He ask the impossible.

Sorry Karl you are a day late and a dollar short on this one.

But I will say although Karl clearly was bummed out that Castle lost and really lost it over that and has yet to get his footing. He is at least smart enough to start to see the painting on the walls. He has come around before and will this time. However it is now crystal clear where his heart is. Squarely on the Progressive side of the GOP.

Steveangell on September 16, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Luka on September 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Thanks for the link!

Read Luka’s link:

The Architect Has No Clothes

Rove demonstrated to all what I have believed since 2000: that he is a political operative with little or no evidence of a philosophical soul. Voters — equally soulless in his mind — are mere commodities to deal with, and precincts are the way these commodities are organized. They are to be bought and sold with the micromanaging of a trade deal here or a pro-life direct mail piece there — orchestrated by the ruling elitists in Washington….

Truth be told, Rove’s biggest architectural accomplishment is the Obama administration. By doing his part as senior advisor to the president to define conservatism down, he sullied the reputation and disoriented the understanding of what it means to be conservative to millions of half-informed voters nationwide.

I’ve read others who also critiqued Rove and said if he’d done a better job in 2000 (I think sending Bush out to the West was one item brought up), then it wouldn’t have gone into a recount mess.

Rove is done for a while. If he wants a rehab of his image, then he needs to lay low. To pretend his statements this week were other than what they were is an insult to intelligence.

INC on September 16, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Sounds pretty unethical.

SirGawain on September 16, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Perhaps envy has betrayed your lack of honesty.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Rove’s first job was working for Wallace F. Bennett where he became friends with Bennett’s son Bob Bennett. After already suffering the Bennett loss to conservatives this year, the Castle loss has sent him off the deep end.

Buddahpundit on September 16, 2010 at 2:38 PM

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:33 PM

I am over it. I was simple acting as a detached analyst here. Karl doesn’t seem to be over it yet.

d1carter on September 16, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Only an establishment elite would do this to the country:

Medicare Part D

Amnesty for Illegals

Never Vetoed a Spending Bill (or any bill for that matter including McCain-Feingold)

Gave us a Politically-Correct “War on Terror” that failed to address the root cause of terrorism (Islam) and leaving most Al Qaeda leadership still at large.

Grew government (spent more) than any president in history with the exception of the current president.

Presocializing the economy for Obama with TARP and stimulus plans.

Valiant on September 16, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Rove is himself. He can’t be entirely dismissed because he does still wield influence in his own circles of power.

He should not be dismissed since he is helping to put the Democratic Marxists into the minority.

THAT IS WHAT MATTERS.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Perhaps envy has betrayed your lack of honesty.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:37 PM

That doesn’t even make sense.

Envious of what?

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:40 PM

Valiant on September 16, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Your chronological line begins too late to be accurate.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:41 PM

He should not be dismissed since he is helping to put the Democratic Marxists into the minority.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:39 PM

It sure seems like he is helping Coons so how is that helping?

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:42 PM

He made an error in judgment…most are they still don’t understand the Tea Party movement.
They study it, like a theologian studies religion, but they don’t live it.
The most common, ordinary, Sunday school teacher knows more about religion then the most academic qualified theologian would ever understand…so it is with the Tea Party, the ordinary 60 year old farmers wife with a sign, understands more about government then Karl Rove does. He knows about how it works, how to measure, how to plan, but he doesn’t know why.

right2bright on September 16, 2010 at 2:43 PM

…Republicans in good times and in bad…

Sorry Ed but I only hear that line being said in one voice now. I’ll give you a hint, that voice also said, “No, I will not apologize for my tone here tonight!”

shick on September 16, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Rove has always been a party supporter and never was a conservative.

And, let’s face it, aside from abortion, tax cuts and national security issues, George W. Bush was not really conservative either. He came into office with the goal of working across the aisle to pass “no child left behind” and other nonsense.

In fact, I would bet that absent 9/11 Bush would have been considered a much bigger disappointment to conservatives than he perhaps is thought of.

Monkeytoe on September 16, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Where did Rove raise that $20 million from? It wasn’t from the grassroots! So yes, you are apart of the Establishment Rove and you’re not fooling anyone.

milemarker2020 on September 16, 2010 at 2:36 PM

I agree.

But let me tell you unfortunately it is impossible to win a Senate Seat without money. At least so far though Christine did it with 10% the money Castle spent. Many times you can win with less money. Hopefully we will rewrite that rule this year and in 2012.

Why the 17th Amendment must be repealed. Along with many SCOTUS decisions that made meaningless the Constitution. While I abhor racism the Constitution was shredded in the name of ending it. It had to end but the way it ended was the worst possible solution. Everyone hated forced busing that is not freedom by any ones definition. Forced is the opposite of freedom. And look what it accomplished. Black neighborhoods and schools to this day that fail miserably. Racism nearly as bad in the black neighborhoods against whites as it used to be but no longer is in the white ones.

Steveangell on September 16, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Also, Rove was always a politics guy and not a policy guy – so his focus has always been on winning and never really on conservative ideas or policy.

Monkeytoe on September 16, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Sure Karl. And when I win this week’s $112 million Powerball I am buying a Minor League Baseball team and you can be my partner.

Seriously, when Rove does this he loese whatever credibility he has.

bw222 on September 16, 2010 at 2:47 PM

What everyone seems to be ignoring is that Rove was right about O’Donnell; a fact we’ll all witness come November.

His role has been to get Republicans elected. A Christine O’Donnell victory in the primary runs counter to that, as she can’t win. Of course he was frustrated about our very own female version of Alvin Greene getting nominated. Contrary to lefty opinion, he is only human.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 2:07 PM

You’re really comparing her to Alvin Greene? That is not even a serious statement!

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Karl Rove is a brilliant guy and has done much for the GOP. He made a mistake. It doesn’t mean that he is some crazy liberal. He should admit the mistake and move on. Support the winning nominee. The primary is over. It was over when he went on his rant….as an independent analyst. I’m not throwing Rove under the bus, but he is being disingenuous about Tuesday night.

d1carter on September 16, 2010 at 2:48 PM

sharrukin @ 2:40

Here’s the line, again.

Rove was a paid shill acting like an uninvolved party. Sounds pretty unethical.

SirGawain on September 16, 2010 at 2:30 PM

A paid shill feigning neutrality is unethical.

I fail to see the honesty of that assessment applied to Rove, paid to call it like he sees it, hardly shilling, hardly unethical.

There are many people who look at a man, such as Rove, and wish they had the influence, the money, the power, the position; and from an envious frustration would call him an unethical shill.

Rove is what he is, an opinionated political pundit with extremely influential friends. What else is new?

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Rove see’s potential with the TPers… that’s why he’s a big fan.

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 2:50 PM

I think Karl’s pathetic case of sour grapes can help O’D. Now she can run against the elite porker establishments of both parties. She is now a true outsider standing with the American people against the ‘BIG Govenment Tax and Spenders’ in Washington.

Karl and his porky buddies have a choice to make:

Either go quietly and retire in their comfy, taxpayer funded pig pens, or

Be sent to the slaughter house and end up as porker stew and tube steak.

(And Karl, how about some real, hard ripping on a Marxist for once)

Ogabe on September 16, 2010 at 2:51 PM

In fact, I would bet that absent 9/11 Bush would have been considered a much bigger disappointment to conservatives than he perhaps is thought of.

Monkeytoe on September 16, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Bush was not stupid.

His father lost his second term because he moved too far over to the DNC side and they stabbed him in the back with “Read my Lips”.

So I believe his first term would have been mostly conservative like it was even absent 911.

This is why I believe Karl can and will help the GOP to a point. It is his only route to power. He believes he can subvert all the new candidates to his side. Except maybe Christine and her Ilk. Christine is more religious than those other Tea Party candidates he supports. Maybe Karl simply hates GOD.

Steveangell on September 16, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Rove was a paid shill acting like an uninvolved party. Sounds pretty unethical.

SirGawain on September 16, 2010 at 2:30 PM

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:49 PM

I think SirGawain is right given that Rove worked for Castle against O’Donnell while making a pretense of neutrality.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:56 PM

It makes no sense to demonize Rove forever after one bad night, just as it makes no sense to keep picking at the Castle v O’Donnell argument after the primary election concluded. Let’s just focus on winning seats on November 2nd with the candidates selected by voters in their own primaries.

I agree. Let’s put the swords down

ted c on September 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Tokyo Rove will be on Hannity’s radio show today. Now that should be interesting.

Me thinks Limbaugh and Hannity made phone calls and asked T-Rove, “WTH is wrong with you?”

And now Rove is claiming he’s the one responsible for the thousands of dollars that were contributed to Christine, because of his criticisms of her? Sheesh, what arrogance!! He keeps spinning like this, and he’s liable to screw himself straight into the ground.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM

d1carter on September 16, 2010 at 2:48 PM

I agree. Conservatives need to get past it. And Rove should continue to speak out on behalf of the Tea Party movement, perhaps funding great ads like this for candidates fighting thieves in government.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Actually this is good to get out now and beat the problems to death now. By the time election day rolls around, it will be old news and forgotten my most voters tired of hearing old news bashing. She needs to address this right now not later. One way or another it will be brought up by the opposition. Let’s disarm them and Rove…

Wade on September 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM

but he is being disingenuous about Tuesday night.

d1carter on September 16, 2010 at 2:48 PM

You know what.

Think of what else he might be disingenuous over.

Perhaps he was being totally honest Tuseday a Gaff as we call that when you accidentally tell the truth. Go over that recording again Karl actually defended Castles positions on all those RINO proposals until Sean corrected him. He said Castle had it Right.

I have no problem using his money for now. But make no mistake Karl is a huge Progressive and only wants to get us to where Obama is taking us slower.

Steveangell on September 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Rove had an opinion and he expressed it.

So.

What is wrong with you people?

Do you have to attack everyone with an opinion slightly different than yours?

Ever hear of the Golden Rule?

petunia on September 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM

I guess Karl didn’t like the taste of Sarah’s nightstick. She publicly shamed him on BOR last night and I hope she takes on the snooty Dr K next.

The entrenched dilettantes in DC need to feel the pain the rest of us are feeling as our childrens futures get flushed down the tubes while they play power politics inside their massive ego’s.

Both Rove and CK are now part of the problem. If they ever decide to be part of the solution I would be glad to take them back.

DeweyWins on September 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM

I think SirGawain is right given that Rove worked for Castle against O’Donnell while making a pretense of neutrality.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:56 PM

But how could he do that? Wouldn’t that uhh… lower his credibility when analyzing the situation?

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM

(Rove) knows about how it works, how to measure, how to plan, but he doesn’t know why.

right2bright on September 16, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Exactly.

j_galt on September 16, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Ed, letting it go is all well and good, but Karl is the one now for three days straight (not one bad night) keeping it going trashing O’Donnell. He can call it analysis if he wants, but after the first time trashing her he is now on a mission, it seems.

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 2:17 PM

My thoughts exactly.

KickandSwimMom on September 16, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Rove had an opinion and he expressed it.

So.

What is wrong with you people?

Do you have to attack everyone with an opinion slightly different than yours?

Ever hear of the Golden Rule?

petunia on September 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM

The Rove Golden Rule?

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 2:59 PM

DeweyWins on September 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Did you see Michelle Malkin rip into him?

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:00 PM

It sure seems like he is helping Coons so how is that helping?

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Palin and all the Christine “I’m just in it for rent money” O’Donnell supporters already guaranteed a Coons win. It’s done. Over. There’s nothing Rove, Allahpundit, Palin, or anyone else can do to change that.

Does anyone really think she’d be competetive if not for Rove and other (former) detractors in the Republican establishment?

If the ultimate goal was to replace a RINO with a Marxist, then consider it mission accomplished. Just don’t expect everyone to agree that it was a worthy goal.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 3:00 PM

But how could he do that? Wouldn’t that uhh… lower his credibility when analyzing the situation?

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Well he has certainly managed to lower that credibility in the last few days.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 3:01 PM

but after the first time trashing her he is now on a mission, it seems.

silvernana on September 16, 2010 at 2:17 PM

My thoughts exactly.

KickandSwimMom on September 16, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Rove would have people bend their principles to elect the electable guy but he hides behind his “honest” job when asked why he doesn’t just get it done with and make up with O’Donnell already… Sounds like Rove is willing to bend certain principles and not others.

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Big man becomes insignificant little man.

Sandybourne on September 16, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Well he has certainly managed to lower that credibility in the last few days.

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Sounds like he may have been doing it for more than just a few days… I didn’t even know he was allegedly meddling w/ the primaries until the other day.

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Also, Schnit, the radio host, should also start shutting his pie hole about this primary. He absolutely went beserk on callers last night who accused him of doing the democrats work for them. This after he was calling for a marriage between the tea party and establishment as a way of preventing democrat rule. By the end of his ranting about O’Donnell, he was screaming that he, Rove, and others “just cannot do it” (accept O’Donnell). The whole thing was unbelievable. I wish someone, somewhere would post the audio exchanges he had with 2 callers – it was amazing to listen to.

KickandSwimMom on September 16, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Palin and all the Christine “I’m just in it for rent money” O’Donnell supporters already guaranteed a Coons win. It’s done. Over. There’s nothing Rove, Allahpundit, Palin, or anyone else can do to change that.

Hollowpoint on September 16, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTifdoKXoxM

That’s the spirit!

sharrukin on September 16, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Rove rallied the base by making it angry. If it was by design or by accident it did anyways, He was just the target and the anger was directed in helping O’Donnell. The left has been doing it for years.

There is no way on earth that there would have been a million dollar money bomb the day after if the NRSC officially or not came out and said that it would not support her And if Rove, CK and others came out the hour after the polls closed in support of her that money would not have been sent.

tjexcite on September 16, 2010 at 3:04 PM

By the end of his ranting about O’Donnell, he was screaming that he, Rove, and others “just cannot do it” (accept O’Donnell). The whole thing was unbelievable. I wish someone, somewhere would post the audio exchanges he had with 2 callers – it was amazing to listen to.

KickandSwimMom on September 16, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Really, sad, huh?

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:05 PM

And now Rove is claiming he’s the one responsible for the thousands of dollars that were contributed to Christine, because of his criticisms of her? Sheesh, what arrogance!! He keeps spinning like this, and he’s liable to screw himself straight into the ground.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM

That’s good!

But really, O’Donnell’s immediately immense financial contributions were motivated by our anger at Rove’s audacity.

I still wonder the price required of everyone to hurtle over the finish line of electoral victory leaving the Democrats losers. And I hope that instead of being a distraction, O’Donnell would successfully support Michele Bachmann who would be a good mentor for the new Tea Party congressional freshmen. /Cantor had better get his so-called young gun behind the Tea Party Congressional Caucus.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:06 PM

“makes no sense to demonize Rove forever after one bad night”.Kind of answers my question of yesterday.

DDT on September 16, 2010 at 3:08 PM

“I’m a big Teat Party fan.”
Yup Karl, and so is Barack Obama.

Jeckle on September 16, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Fixed for all and sundry!

ya2daup on September 16, 2010 at 3:09 PM

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Schnit was screaming – I kid you not. He could hardly get enough air he was ranting and panting so much. I could almost see the veins popping! It was really pathetic. My husband and I were dumbfounded he was so unhinged. I can’t believe nobody else heard it. I think the guy has a nationally syndicated radio show that comes on right after Levin.

KickandSwimMom on September 16, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Ever hear of the Golden Rule?

petunia on September 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Yes, those with the gold rules…

right2bright on September 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Last night on Greta, Mr Rove made much about being ‘just an analyst’. He needs to wear that crudely-lettered sign about his neck for a long time to remind him of that. He needs to step back from the keyhole of his expertise and see the broader sweep of what is going on. If he’d kept an eye on that broader situation he would not of made such a ridiculous gaff.

O’Donnell has collected $1.03M within 36hrs of her win. More than her outright marxist opponent has at hand. With another 47 days of Democrat malfeasance and lame-duck quackery like Reid’s attachment of the Dream Act amnesty for illegal students (connect THAT with the Obamunist takeover of student loan machinery and guess where it’s heading), the supposed margin for O’Donnell’s victory is a lot smaller than it appears.

The NRSC, state party apparatchiks in liberal / northeast states, the Nat’l GOP metrosexuals better pull their heads out. We don’t need them. They need us.

rayra on September 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM

You know it’s funny. Some people are like, “Wow, Rove used to be a giant or something and now look what happened.”

Remember, a lot of Tea Partiers are upset with the establishment. They may have agreed with Rove on certain things, but they most likely didn’t put all their faith into him.

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM

I haven’t seen reverse gear slammed this hard since the Isralie/Egyptian war. Bad for the gearbox there Karl.

44Magnum on September 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM

This is the winner!!!! LOL

jlemieu1 on September 16, 2010 at 3:12 PM

By the end of his ranting about O’Donnell, he was screaming that he, Rove, and others “just cannot do it” (accept O’Donnell). The whole thing was unbelievable. I wish someone, somewhere would post the audio exchanges he had with 2 callers – it was amazing to listen to.

KickandSwimMom on September 16, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Really, sad, huh?

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:05 PM

We KNOW what he said, and for the sake of unifying to enable O’Donnell’s victory, it’s better left behind and unrepeated.

I never liked/trusted Rove because I don’t agree with the progressive politics that he enables.

It’s wise to remember what Rove said, and file it for reference.

But no Tea Party candidate is going to win elections without a coalition of interests strategically defeating the majority powers in office.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Schnit was screaming – I kid you not. He could hardly get enough air he was ranting and panting so much. I could almost see the veins popping! It was really pathetic. My husband and I were dumbfounded he was so unhinged. I can’t believe nobody else heard it. I think the guy has a nationally syndicated radio show that comes on right after Levin.

KickandSwimMom on September 16, 2010 at 3:09 PM

I don’t know who Schnit is, but I’ll look into it.

I just don’t get why all of these peachy Republicans are coming undone because of a primary. Isn’t that the whole point of a primary? Let the local party decide? It’s like they’re upset that they (the Rovians) can’t somehow influence every crevice of the electoral map.

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar…Rove liked Castle over O’Donnell…his mistake was getting personal about it.
He never stated any issues where he thought Castle was stronger then O’Donnell on.

right2bright on September 16, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Let me explain this -

Rove never lost his cool in public no matter what the Democrats threw at him. He DOESN’T lose his cool. This was an act. And it is working.

O’Donnell was going to get ripped to shreds by Coons. Rove is forcing O’Donnell to get her act together BEFORE Coons has a shot at her.

Rove is also heading off the internal war within the Republican Party between moderates and conservatives by making this about O’Donnell. Within the next 10 days we will see the Republican Party wrap itself around O’Donnell. Rove realized that if left to fester, the infighting between moderates and conservatives would continue through November, so he brought it to a head. Better to have a short, decisive battle than a war that lasts for months.

Rove wasn’t called the architect for nothing. He just rebuilt the foundation of the Republican Party when a few dangerous cracks appeared.

huckleberryfriend on September 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM

But no Tea Party candidate is going to win elections without a coalition of interests strategically defeating the majority powers in office.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Enter Michael Steele… he’s actually been more impressive as of late.

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Ever hear of the Golden Rule?

petunia on September 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Yes, those with gold rule…

right2bright on September 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM

heh

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Rove never lost his cool in public no matter what the Democrats threw at him. He DOESN’T lose his cool. This was an act. And it is working.

huckleberryfriend on September 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM

So basically, Rove is being deceptive?

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Enter Michael Steele… he’s actually been more impressive as of late.

MeatHeadinCA on September 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Yes. Without effective administration of funding and messaging, it’s hard to win.

maverick muse on September 16, 2010 at 3:15 PM

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