GOP moans about losing chance to take control of Senate with Castle defeat

posted at 8:48 am on September 15, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Last week, when trying to keep irrational exuberance in check about the likelihood of taking control of the House, Republicans warned that they might fall short of winning 39 seats in a 435-seat election.  Suddenly, in the wake of the rejection of Mike Castle by Delaware Republicans, party officials now want to say that Christine O’Donnell has ruined their chances of netting nine seats in a 35-seat election.  Politico’s Jonathan Martin reports on the supposed sad wreck of the grand design:

Christine O’Donnell’s surprise victory in the Delaware Senate GOP primary Tuesday left Republicans in conflict, senior party officials openly fretting that the Senate is now out of reach and Democrats overjoyed that the opposition has handed them a late and desperately needed chance to reframe the national argument about the 2010 elections.

Aside from the political implications of the upset, the outcome prompted a round of deep Republican soul-searching about what it said about their party when a political pillar in Delaware like Rep. Mike Castle, a respected lawmaker who was considered a shoo-in for the Senate seat, could not even come within six points of defeating the controversial and still largely unknown O’Donnell. …

In the wake of Tuesday’s results, a state that would have almost certainly been a pick-up for the GOP is now likely to stay with the Democrats, making it more difficult for Republicans to win the 10 seats necessary to take back control of the Senate.

“We were looking at 8 to 9 seats in the Senate, we are now looking at 7 to 8 in my opinion,” said a visibly-unhappy Karl Rove on Fox News after the race was called for O’Donnell Tuesday night. “This is not a race we’re going to be able to win.” …

“This makes the road much steeper for Republicans to win back the Senate because this was a seat they had counted on,” said former Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.), a former House campaign committee chairman.

Oh, please.  Politics relies in part on setting expectations.  That’s what Republicans tried doing last week when tamping down predictions of a wave of 60, 70, or even more House seats switching.  Now suddenly they’re distraught over the prospects of picking up nine seats in the Senate — when three months ago, a pickup of five or six seats would have been welcomed as a major gain and a way to ensure a Republican presence large enough to force Democrats to come to the table.

My advice to the GOP would be to quit whining about losing a long-shot bid to win control of the Senate and focus on actually winning the races.  In fact, the odds of winning control of the upper chamber didn’t actually decline all that much, because they were small to begin with.  Just a few days ago, John Cornyn told a reporter that Democrats would keep control of the Senate through 2012, when Democrats have to defend a lot more seats than the GOP.

The better question on which to focus is in Martin’s second paragraph.  What does Mike Castle’s crash and burn among Delaware Republicans say about their party organization?  After all, we have heard oodles of commentary about how Delaware Republicans are moderates who might get energized by the Tea Party but supposedly aren’t looking for conservative candidates.  Instead, they convinced Castle to leave a relatively safe House seat instead of looking for someone who hadn’t backed a government takeover of the energy sector in cap-and-trade (in a coal-dependent region!) and co-sponsored the DISCLOSE Act.  Perhaps had the GOP establishment listened a little more carefully to Delaware Republicans, who turned out relatively heavily in this election, they wouldn’t find themselves crying in their lattes this morning.

They stuck with a liberal, establishment candidate in a cycle where liberals and establishment figures are uniquely unpopular.  Had the Republican leadership been in touch with Delaware Republican voters, they might have found a more suitable candidate for the popular mood, and would not have had to deal with Christine O’Donnell and her outsider bid.  They have no one to blame but themselves.

Instead of pouting, Republican leaders in Delaware and around the country need to unite around the nominee, who was chosen by the Republicans in Delaware.  Had Castle won the nomination, they would have demanded unity themselves, and rightly so.   If they want to continue to issue snarky, anonymous asides and in essence take their ball and go home, don’t expect the electorate to follow them into battle in the future.  Rarely have I seen such childishness from the supposed leaders of a political establishment, who set the very rules and customs they now want to ignore because they just got embarrassed on a national stage.

Grow up, shut up, and get to work.

Update: Kevin McCullough agrees:

Mike Castle, if he is a man of loyalty to the party he wished to represent should hold fundraisers for O’Donnell beginning next week. Lisa Murkowski should follow suit in Alaska for Joel Miller. And Sue Bowden should be doing the same for Sharron Angle in Nevada.

In other words if “establishment” candidates are willing to give anything more than lip service to the party they wished to represent, then they should be willing to roll up their sleeves and do the hard work of campaigning for someone they disagree with on issues. And they should do so remembering they are in it for the greater good. …

We were told that in the end having a majority with an (R) after their name was the best thing of all.  Well, I see no reason why that statement can’t hold true when a genuine Republican conservative wins a primary.

Update II: Glenn Reynolds interviews Scott Rasmussen on the Tea Party and its impact on the GOP and the two-party system.  Maybe Republican leadership should pay close attention.


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The only possible complaint the post-election Castle supporters could have is if the GOP somehow ends up with 49 or 50 seats because of an O’Donnell loss.

Or if in 2013-2014 the GOP fails to repeal Obamacare by 1 vote because they only have 59 Senate seats instead of 60.

Jon0815 on September 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

And we blew that best chance. That’s all.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM

You really are inaccurate when you say ‘we.’

You’re not one of us anymore, troll.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Some of those 8% may be holding out for Castle to run as an Indy or a write-in. If Castle got his voter base fired up about O’Donnell, we could turn this from a longshot into a serious race, especially since the Dems seem to be planning to spend their DE money elsewhere since they believe Coons is a shoe-in.

Good Solid B-Plus on September 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM

But again, that’s wischasting at this point. Castle is a turd, sure, but he’s not about to pay back with love and support a campaign that tried to insinuate at one point that he was having a gay affair.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

The REALIST sees the numbers, understands why they are, realizes every other Senate race just became more important, and understands the needs to cut off any support for this race.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Isn’t that pretty much the same thing the “realists” told Scott Brown and Chris Christie? /rolleyes

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

I was impressed with her victory speech. She really is sweet and appealing. That is important in reaching voters. She restated the focus of her campaign and if you or anyone else hasn’t seen it yet please take a look.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4338405/christine-odonnell-were-in-this-to-win

I think that we can all hug and go on to victory in November.

scrubjay on September 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM

And we blew that best chance. That’s all.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM

you may be right. The question is, who are you going to support (or tear down) between now and election day? Or will you be neutral. I know neither OD nor castle. OD won, and I would prefer to see her win over Coons.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Or if in 2013-2014 the GOP fails to repeal Obamacare by 1 vote because they only have 59 Senate seats instead of 60.

Jon0815 on September 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

We can de-fang it with only 51. And we will have 51+ in 2012.

Good Solid B-Plus on September 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Jon: Castle wouldn’t commit to repealing Obamacare. Therefore, saying that if we lose an Obamacare vote by 1 vote because of this election is speculatory and without foundation.

Scott H on September 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Didn’t McConnell say just last month that the Senate would take two election cycles to win? These people are worthy of leading anything.

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2010 at 10:39 AM

You’re not one of us anymore, troll.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Building bridges again, I see.

Keep up the good work.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Wow moneybomb for Christine is now up to $140,000 in half a day.

the NRSC better get on the train befor eit leaves the station.

Demint promising $174,000 Christine will have the money to fight a good fight.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM
money talking. Bullsh!t walking.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Now at $146,000 and climbing. O’donnell was just hoping to raise $50,000 last night she has now tripled her orginal goal. the uprising is starting. The wave is coming. We will have our country back. O’Donnell was the ram that broke the gate. Now people see that there is hope that the powerful can be brought low. Now people for the first time in 22 years have real hope again.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:39 AM

The only possible complaint the post-election Castle supporters could have is if the GOP somehow ends up with 49 or 50 seats because of an O’Donnell loss.

Or if in 2013-2014 the GOP fails to repeal Obamacare by 1 vote because they only have 59 Senate seats instead of 60.

Jon0815 on September 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

If the GOP has 59 seats riding a vicious anti-Obama wave, I’m sure there will be at least one red-state Dem more reliable than Castle to turn back Obamacare.

With 41 they couldn’t stop it because of squishy Republicans.

mankai on September 15, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:32 AM

And apparently people know everything about your political views, motivations, and who your support from a handful of comments in a single thread. Oh well, internet discussion at its finest. I haven’t actually posted here for a couple months, I kind of forgot it can be fun at times.

Oh and you probably shouldn’t have sounded like you were whining in a post saying you’re accused of being a whiner.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM

This appears to be a step into the deep end already. Let Coons win?

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Aren’t the GOP resources better spent defeating Murray, Boxer, and Feingold? If we won all three, it’s possible that we could take the Senate.

I wouldn’t trust anyone squandering money on O’Donnell to balance the federal budget.

thuja on September 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Yea.

I’m a troll for not being wooed by Christine.

But I love Rubio, Toomey, Jindal, Chris Christie, Palin, Rush, Levin, DeMint, and a host of other conservatives.

But since I don’t think that this particular candidate is the bees knees, well, I’m a troll, an Ayatollah, a whiner, a RINO, etc.

Par for the course at HA – and I wouldn’t change it for anything :-)

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:32 AM

No.

You’re a troll for constantly spamming the same, tired, old, quitter talking point over and over no matter how many people try to engage you.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM

But again, that’s wischasting at this point. Castle is a turd, sure, but he’s not about to pay back with love and support a campaign that tried to insinuate at one point that he was having a gay affair.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Politics isn’t pretty. If Castle truly cared about the GOP winning the Senate, he’d want to give O’Donnell the best possible chance.

Castle only cares that he lost his political sinecure.

Good Solid B-Plus on September 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM

This appears to be a step into the deep end already. Let Coons win?
darwin on September 15, 2010 at 10:18 AM

I’m sorry, is the pro-O’Donnell crowd complaining about this?

The same people who were saying, oh, yesterday, that it would be better for Coons to win if Castle was the nominee?

No, sorry. I’m not saying Coons should win, but now that you got your nominee, don’t come crying to all of us dirty “RINO” “ruling class” thralls to carry your broken candidate across the finish line. Maybe we will, but I expect some apologies first.

Vyce on September 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM

fossten: You’re certainly not the arbiter of conservative principles, here.

The Lt. is correct that you are burning any possible bridges here.

Think. You are not trying to get these people to help. You are gloating. And it’s not helping.

The fact that they have not been susceptible to more rational arguments so far is no reason to sink to this level.

Scott H on September 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM

The question is, who are you going to support (or tear down) between now and election day

I’m not going to “tear down” Christine. I’m not going to need to.

Her own words and inexperience should be enough to do her in once the Democrats start firing with both barrels. And that’s unfortunate.

Some of use have been saying that if you think we’re bad, just you wait until the people who aren’t on your side start hitting. And that includes the national media.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Building bridges again, I see.

Keep up the good work.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:39 AM

As I said to you yesterday, since you’re recycling all your old posts, you burned your own bridge. Now it’s falling on your head, troll.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:42 AM

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Hey, I think your slowly starting to come around and realize how much the conservative team needs you now. Please make the final leap and work with us. I don’t think anyone is totally happy with what we have in DE now, but I for one am thrilled a RINO is gone.

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 10:42 AM

This was on the National Review Online Morning Jolt:

Dave Weigel, who has roots in Delaware, lays out how the non-Republican electorate in that state thinks: “O’Donnell won a slim majority in a race with around 58,000 Republican voters. She won Kent and Sussex counties, the conservative parts of the state. But even in scoring a massive upset, she lost New Castle County. That’s where 2/3 of the state lives, and where, in the past, I saw yards with Obama/Biden and Castle signs, Kerry/Edwards and Castle signs, Gore/Lieberman and Castle signs — you get the picture.

Yeah, we get the picture! But over at NRO and the NRC they don;t get the point!

Give us electable conservatives not RINOS! I’m donating to ODonnell — ARE you listening you “establishment” repubics?

rebuzz on September 15, 2010 at 10:42 AM

NoDonkey on September 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Weren’t you a big McCain supporter? What the hell do you know about conservatism or picking conservative candidates? All you cared about was the R next to his name and that the media said he was the GOP’s best chance. You don’t need to shut up because O’donnell won. You just need to shut up because you’re a hypocritical turd.

I could care less who won this race because I still see a giant screw job coming from the GOP once the election is over; but I do enjoy seeing the establishment, those fine, fine people that helped bring us the McCain candidacy take it in the backside. What did you tell us after the 2008 primary? Oh yeah. We need to unite. Get behind Backdoor John for the big win.

Go unite, Donkey boy. And shut up. She won. Heh.

austinnelly on September 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM

No.

You’re a troll for constantly spamming the same, tired, old, quitter talking point over and over no matter how many people try to engage you.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Build that bridge. Build it long and far.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM

I’m not going to “tear down” Christine. I’m not going to need to.

Her own words and inexperience should be enough to do her in once the Democrats start firing with both barrels. And that’s unfortunate.

Some of use have been saying that if you think we’re bad, just you wait until the people who aren’t on your side start hitting. And that includes the national media.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM

With ‘friends’ like you, who needs Keith Olbermann?

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Vyce: Asking for money from the NRSC by OD is quite unreasonable.

The NRSC publicly refusing to endorse the duly elected Republican candidate is also quite unreasonable.

Scott H on September 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Good Lt -

I agreed with you that tactically supporting Castle over O’donnell was likely the better choice.

However, I’m not really sure why you are still hanging on to this argument and so angry now. It is over, our argument lost. That does not mean we won’t have the same argument in the future (i.e., tactical victories vs. victories for principal), but I don’t think now is the time to have them. It doesn’t help us at all to keep at it at this point. She is the nominee – you disagree with that and don’t think she’ll win the general (I also have my doubts) – but it does us no good to tear each other apart at this point. The rule should be that after the primary is done, everyone gets together and supports the candidate. I would expect that if Castle had won, I think it is fair to expect it now that O’Donnell won.

there will be plenty of time to have the debate about whether it is tactically better to nominate a purist over a RINO in a state like DE after the general election. Right now it serves no purpose to continue the fight.

Monkeytoe on September 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM

No, sorry. I’m not saying Coons should win, but now that you got your nominee, don’t come crying to all of us dirty “RINO” “ruling class” thralls to carry your broken candidate across the finish line. Maybe we will, but I expect some apologies first.

Vyce on September 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM

The past week all we’ve heard if that the “purity cons” need to suck it up and cast our lot with a turd sandwich like Castle for the sake of the party.

Now the RINOs want to torpedo O’Donnell’s slim chances because they got their feelings hurt. Pitiful.

Party unity was so awesome, until our guy lost!

Good Solid B-Plus on September 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM

fossten: You’re certainly not the arbiter of conservative principles, here.

The Lt. is correct that you are burning any possible bridges here.

Think. You are not trying to get these people to help. You are gloating. And it’s not helping.

The fact that they have not been susceptible to more rational arguments so far is no reason to sink to this level.

Scott H on September 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Good Lt isn’t interested in helping. Scroll through this entire thread. His goal is to spam negative comments about O’Donnell as fast as possible. I’m willing to bet he’s got 20% of the comments here.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Aren’t the GOP resources better spent defeating Murray, Boxer, and Feingold? If we won all three, it’s possible that we could take the Senate.

I wouldn’t trust anyone squandering money on O’Donnell to balance the federal budget.

thuja on September 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM

1) Isn’t this the very definition of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

2) Why do we think that agencies and groups can’t multi-task? The GOP can work to defeat Murray, Boxer and Feingold AND help O’Donnell.

3) At the very least, the GOP can stop actively attacking and trying to destroy her.

4) In this unique political climate, I think that any conservative candidate has a shot to win. She obviously needs some help, though, and sending her some experienced campaign advisers would do wonders.

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Aren’t the GOP resources better spent defeating Murray, Boxer, and Feingold? If we won all three, it’s possible that we could take the Senate.

I wouldn’t trust anyone squandering money on O’Donnell to balance the federal budget.

thuja on September 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Coons has $900,000 on hand. the NRSC and RNc have to give O’Donnell only a couple $100,000 to make this race on an even keel as far as fundraising. O’Donnell got 35% during Obama’s election with no money and no help. She need 16% more in an off year election. Fully funded O’Donnell is fully able to win this election. Unlike CA and WA and Wis De is a small state a little bit of money goes goes a long way.

she now has $300,000 raised + pledged. Another couple $100,000 makes it competitive. If the GOp establishment really wants to pick up the seat they should give O’Donnell a little help

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Hey, I think your slowly starting to come around and realize how much the conservative team needs you now. Please make the final leap and work with us. I don’t think anyone is totally happy with what we have in DE now, but I for one am thrilled a RINO is gone.

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 10:42 AM

Yeah, but so (very likely) is the Senate seat. And that’s the prize – not as “moral victory.” And I say very likely as a bone toss, becuase I don’t think in my heart of hearts (knowing DE) she’s got what it takes to pull this thing out. I’m going to let Christine do what she thinks she needs to do.

Here’s hoping. But not betting the farm on it. And that’s the smart bet.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Fossten,

On the other side of the coin, I say to you to try and be a litte more agreeable and not call everyone who disagrees with you on this site a troll and/or a lefty. Particularly people like Good Lt who have long histories here of supporting and arguing for conservative principals and causes.

We had a disagreement in this primary race. The primary is over. Let’s try and get back on the same page.

Monkeytoe on September 15, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Her own words and inexperience should be enough to do her in once the Democrats start firing with both barrels. And that’s unfortunate.

I saw her defend herself quite well this morning on ABC.

In fact, add her to the list of Republican conservative women who have confiscated the testicles from the metrosexual men in the party.

At this rate, I hope all Republican men, short of Christie and Ryan, are sent to pasture.

rickyricardo on September 15, 2010 at 10:47 AM

The O’Donnell people said they would rather lose the seat than vote for Castle. The NRSC is juts obliging them. They should quit their whining, and go campaign for their nut.

Chudi on September 15, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Christine O’Donnell Slams “So-Called Political Guru” Karl Rove (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 6:32 AM
Christine O’Donnell responded to Karl Rove’s attacks today on Good Morning

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Some of use have been saying that if you think we’re bad, just you wait until the people who aren’t on your side start hitting. And that includes the national media.
Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Please. Palin became a Moose-killing, Wolf-butchering, snowbilly hick ‘ho from Wasilly the day after she was chosen by McCain.

If Obama himself suddenly switched parties and become a conservative Republican, the media would immediately tear him down as the worst sonuvabiotch who ever put on a suit.

Pull up your pants and quit worrying about what the media is going to do, because in the end they would have attacked Castle in favor of Coons too. Realist huh? Sure.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Good Lt isn’t interested in helping. Scroll through this entire thread. His goal is to spam negative comments about O’Donnell as fast as possible. I’m willing to bet he’s got 20% of the comments here.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM

And your goal is to spam me as fast as possible, with childish namecalling and your own unique brand of “bridge building” in each comment.

You don’t want my help. I’m a “RINO-traitor” or something, despite evidence to the contrary (years of commenting here and contributing at that reliably RINO warehouse at the Jawa Report). You’ve made it clear that I and “my kind” are not welcome in your big tent.

Well done.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Fossten,

On the other side of the coin, I say to you to try and be a litte more agreeable and not call everyone who disagrees with you on this site a troll and/or a lefty. Particularly people like Good Lt who have long histories here of supporting and arguing for conservative principals and causes.

We had a disagreement in this primary race. The primary is over. Let’s try and get back on the same page.

Monkeytoe on September 15, 2010 at 10:46 AM

I haven’t called anyone a troll except Good Lt – and that’s exactly what he is. Scroll up and you’ll see that I’ve welcomed any and all who say they will support O’Donnell. Stop misrepresenting my posts.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Isn’t that pretty much the same thing the “realists” told Scott Brown and Chris Christie? /rolleyes

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM

No, a realist would have understood there was some chance. There is no chance here with this candidate.

You really are inaccurate when you say ‘we.’

You’re not one of us anymore, troll.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

The first part is certainly correct, from the sounds of it Good Lt had nothing at all to do with this train wreck (even simple support on the internet).

As for the second, nice us and them mentality. I’m really interested in hearing you’re plan for a conservative majority that cuts off a large segment of the base.

You saying you wish you were the sole arbiter of Senate choices is statist and authoritarian. It’s that simple. I guess you don’t respect the Democratic process. Thank God you’re not in charge. The ‘average Joe’ would never sniff a government seat under your ‘rule.’

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Calm down, good grief. I’d say I misread your point but I didn’t think you’d take a word of rhetorical flourish as a serious political manifesto.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM

If the GOp establishment really wants to pick up the seat they should give O’Donnell a little help

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Unfortunately, that is not likely to happen. I was just listening to Steve Hayes of the Weekly Standard (who I have a lot of respect for) basically going through the litany of why O’Donnell won’t win. The way the establishment keeps broadcasting the perceived problems I would say they would rather Coons won.

Plenty of people in congress have histories far more troubled and sordid than O’Donnell yet they keep getting elected. I don’t believe it is a given that O’Donnell will lose.

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Exactly whom does the GOP represent? The Democrats are clear in their support . . . they support the radical left, Marxists and progressives. The GOP on the other hand is lost in a fog of confusion, pandering and infighting. The Republican Party had better get their act together if they intend on staying in the game.

rplat on September 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM

So the GOP establishment’s Mugwumps of Harumph won’t adhere to rules they voiced so self-righteously during primary campaigns? Screw ‘em. Enjoy your declining years, boys and girls!

ya2daup on September 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM

For strategic local and national reasons I supported Castle… but now that it’s over, I’d be insane not to support COD.

Why is there any question here?

None of us supported Castle because we thought that he, personally, was good for the country… it was purely strategic. He’s gone, which on its own is a good thing. Now is the time to promote COD to DE and hope that Coons runs a Coakley-like campaign.

mankai on September 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM

God bless you. Let’s get to work.

True_King on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Fossten: Who are you to say that he isn’t interested in helping?

He isn’t willing to help in the way you want him to help. And you pour oil on the fire every time he refuses.

His refusal may have been the spark, but I see a lot of people on both sides of this doing everything they can to fan the flames.

IIRC, he has stated that he’s willing to help other candidates, which may free someone willing to work for OD to work more for her.

We don’t need endorsements and ‘everyone to back her’. After all, he can’t actually vote in DE, can he? We just need people to stop attacking her.

If people can’t at least do that, we have no reason to believe that we can win.

And then what? What happens? The TP retaliate against a less-conservative candidate?

Both sides are engaging in a scorched-earth MAD strategy, and out enemies aren’t playing. The only person who can ‘win’ a MAD game is someone who doesn’t play.

Our enemies aren’t playing.

I’m not saying that ‘backing candidates you don’t like’ should be a one-way street. I’m going to pull this out whenever moderates ask me to support a candidate that is too liberal for me. That is perfectly fair.

But there are many ways to support.

Scott H on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

It’s very telling that establishment Republican hacks in the party are pouting or throwing hissy fits at their loses.

It’s clear this is all a big $$$ game to them and they are seeing their grip on their taxpayer funded careers slipping a notch.

This isn’t about party or the people, it’s about their self interest.

F em all.

rickyricardo on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Now at $146,000 and climbing. O’donnell was just hoping to raise $50,000 last night she has now tripled her orginal goal. the uprising is starting. The wave is coming. We will have our country back. O’Donnell was the ram that broke the gate. Now people see that there is hope that the powerful can be brought low. Now people for the first time in 22 years have real hope again.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Is there anything in her background that demonstrates her ability to work through a $3.5T budget? The congress already has an abundance of financially illiterate senators and reps. It’s good to throw the bums out, but shouldn’t O’Donnell have evidenced her ability with some meaningful accomplishment by this point in her life?

dedalus on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Money bomb now at $158,000 and not slowing. accelerating.

the GOp establishment runs the risk of becoming an after thought if O’Donnell shows she can win without them In DE. they are done. The risk the Gop establishment is making is great. very great.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

You don’t want my help. I’m a “RINO-traitor” or something, despite evidence to the contrary (years of commenting here and contributing at that reliably RINO warehouse at the Jawa Report). You’ve made it clear that I and “my kind” are not welcome in your big tent.

Well done.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Never called you that, LIAR. My problem with you is that you can’t stop spamming your whiny posts. The primary is over, everybody on YOUR side EXCEPT YOU wants to build bridges and work together, but you insist on vomiting your crap all over the thread. YOU are the problem, not me. If you don’t like it that I call you out for your obvious douchebaggery, then tough crap. As long as you continue being negative and don’t contribute anything new to the discussion, I’ll be dogging you.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Pull up your pants and quit worrying about what the media is going to do, because in the end they would have attacked Castle in favor of Coons too.

No, they wouldn’t have. They would have ignored the race and gone after the next Tea Party candidate, because it was written off by the Democrats as well.

But now they’ve got a juicy target to focus on in DE, where before they were ignoring it and hoping it wouldn’t be another GOP pickup.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Chudi on September 15, 2010 at 10:48 AM

You and others like you have now become part of the problem. If you’ve nothing to contribute to help getting a conservative elected, then please contribute nothing.

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 10:51 AM

The O’Donnell people said they would rather lose the seat than vote for Castle. The NRSC is juts obliging them. They should quit their whining, and go campaign for their nut.

Chudi on September 15, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Look, people often say these things during the heat of battle in a primary. We need to look past it and work together. If the NRSC shows that they really mean it – i.e., if our candidate doesn’t win, we won’t play – then what reason do the more conservative voters have to ever support the NRSC?

It seems to me that both sides here are willing to totally screw any chance the GOP has of winning seats. This is what primaries are supposed to be for, to have intra-party arguments. If it turns into a situation where the losing side of an intra-party argument always stays home in the general, then we will never win any elections.

Monkeytoe on September 15, 2010 at 10:52 AM

I haven’t had time to read the thread so apologies if this is a repeat. I sent this in to ‘tips’ but ed and allah ignored it.

NRO has the CO’D victory speech on the corner. It’s about 15 minutes. It was the best such speech I have ever heard. It was pleasant to listen to. Completely positive, calm and coherent.

She’s much better speaker than Palin and no teleprompters.

Armey and Kibbe are right. The GOP is dead and the RINOs are goring the corpse.

gh on September 15, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Scott H on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

If ‘helping’ means ‘constantly bashing O’Donnell and whining about how she’s definitely going to lose in November’ over and over again without any change in content, then yeah, he’s doing a great job.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:52 AM

LOL RINOs. Cry me a river.

Leave it to the ones who made it to eat their own entrenched RINO excrement sandwich and like it.

The Tea Party refuses to serve the same ol’ same ol’ entrenched RINO sandwiches.

maverick muse on September 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Money bomb now at $158,000 and not slowing. accelerating.

the GOp establishment runs the risk of becoming an after thought if O’Donnell shows she can win without them In DE. they are done. The risk the Gop establishment is making is great. very great.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

hey, what’s the linky link on therre. I’ll put some coin in the purse.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Is there anything in her background that demonstrates her ability to work through a $3.5T budget? The congress already has an abundance of financially illiterate senators and reps. It’s good to throw the bums out, but shouldn’t O’Donnell have evidenced her ability with some meaningful accomplishment by this point in her life?

dedalus on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

You’re right, in all likelihood Coons is better with a budget. Of course, he’ll vote for every crap sandwich the left wants him to, but he does have experience with a county-level budget.

Good Solid B-Plus on September 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM

GOP moans about losing chance to take control…

The entrenched, elite GOP is acting like a hand trying to tighten its grip on sand, the greater the force they are applying to the keep the old guard, the more the sand slips out between its fingers…

Either back Republican candidates (once they are chosen by the voters of that district or state) or move aside and let someone else do that job.

Fallon on September 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM

So I watched her donations for 16 minutes, and she got 16,000 in 16 minutes. Not bad for an original “Goal” of $50,000.

10:35 71%
10:37 73%
10:38 73%
10:39 73%
10:40 74%
10:41 74%
10:42 74%
10:43 75%
10:44 75%
10:45 75%
10:46 76%
10:47 76%
10:48 76%
10:49 78%
10:50 78%
10:51 79% $16,000 in 16 minutes

WoosterOh on September 15, 2010 at 10:54 AM

No, a realist would have understood there was some chance. There is no chance here with this candidate.

That’s the spirit, and a great indicator of why the GOP has been so feckless and impotent lately.

To paraphrase: Don’t you at least want to try and barter a better deal before you tuck tail and run?

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 10:54 AM

No, a realist would have understood there was some chance. There is no chance here with this candidate.

So you’re claiming to be psychic now? /rolleyes

No one gave Brown much, if any, chance.
The Dems thought it was such an easy win they hardly campaigned at all.

But they misunderstood the changed and charged political climate.

O’Donnell has a chance in this energized political climate.

Well, she WOULD have a chance if the GOP stops attacking her and starts supporting her.

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:54 AM

Is there anything in her background that demonstrates her ability to work through a $3.5T budget? The congress already has an abundance of financially illiterate senators and reps. It’s good to throw the bums out, but shouldn’t O’Donnell have evidenced her ability with some meaningful accomplishment by this point in her life

As of today, we could have monkeys running the Federal government with more ethics and efficiency.

Instead we have Ivy League attorney’s who are gaming the system for their own benefit. I’m thoroughly unimpressed with your argument.

rickyricardo on September 15, 2010 at 10:55 AM

WoosterOh on September 15, 2010 at 10:54 AM

what’s the donation link?

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:55 AM

dedalus on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

I have yet to see one Senator more quailified to “rule” my life then myself. I have yet to find one individual in the Senate I would trust with my families safety. hell most of them I would trust my children alone with them. I want someone that wants to tear down the budget, give the gov less power over me and mine. I want freedom and liberty not some accountant. Most senators do not even read their freaking bills anymore. why do you thing the people that created the problems are the ones to fix the problems?

I want everyday people in office not brainwashed havard zombies.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:55 AM

The O’Donnell people said they would rather lose the seat than vote for Castle. The NRSC is juts obliging them. They should quit their whining, and go campaign for their nut.

Chudi on September 15, 2010 at 10:48 AM

“They” being the NRSC, directly following that obliging reference, to be clear.

maverick muse on September 15, 2010 at 10:55 AM

O’Donnell won the primary fair and square. Just like Joe Miller in Alaska. Sharron Angle in Nevada. Rand Paul in Kentucky. Mike Lee in Utah. Etc. etc.
It’s the NRSC’s obligation to support the winning nominee.

The NRSC is a joke. I’ve lost count of how many how their endorsed candidates went down in flames. They will not see another dime from me or millions of other conservatives.

Screw the GOP Establishment.

Norwegian on September 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM

what’s the donation link?

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:55 AM

http://christine2010.com/

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Wouldn’t it be nice if pricks like Rove went after O’Donnells opponent with half the venom he’s going after her with? It’s time for him shut his trap and get behind the majority’s choice and not the insiders choice.

roninacreage on September 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Go back and look at how you talk to various people who disagree with you over Christine’s wonderfulness over the last few days. Not just me, who you see as a thorn in your side for some reason becuase I focused on the candidate’s obvious flaws and tried to make sure everyone knew them going forward.

The words “troll,” “douche,” “whiny,” “douchebaggery,” and various other insults are bandied about with abandon directed at me and others.

You’ve even had people on your side note that you’re being excessively nasty for no real reason.

That’s not “bridge building.” It’s something, but it ain’t “bridge building.”

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Wow moneybomb for Christine is now up to $140,000 in half a day.

What a tragic waste of money. People should be sending donations to Sharon Angle, or someone else who has a realistic chance of winning.

Jon0815 on September 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Dear GOP,
WAH!!!
Sincerely,
People who are sick of the establishment

76United on September 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM

That’s the spirit, and a great indicator of why the GOP has been so feckless and impotent lately.

To paraphrase: Don’t you at least want to try and barter a better deal before you tuck tail and run?

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 10:54 AM

Hey, quit burning bridges, or something.

Don’t you know that by constantly spreading negativity, Good Lt is actually ‘helping?’

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM

Thanks unseen, I am slow.

WoosterOh on September 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM

Norwegian on September 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Unlike the others you mentioned, she is a nut, and is not qualified to be elected to any office.

Chudi on September 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM

Good Lt isn’t interested in helping. Scroll through this entire thread. His goal is to spam negative comments about O’Donnell as fast as possible. I’m willing to bet he’s got 20% of the comments here.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Hey now, I’m doing my part too. Though I do tend to bunch up my responses into fewer posts.

Pull up your pants and quit worrying about what the media is going to do, because in the end they would have attacked Castle in favor of Coons too. Realist huh? Sure.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 10:48 AM

I seem to recall a major point of the anti-Castle people was that as a RINO he would give the media cover to say 50 dems + Castle = bipartisan. Why the concern of what the media said then, why only today pull up your big boy pants?

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM

the GOp establishment runs the risk of becoming an after thought if O’Donnell shows she can win without them In DE. they are done. The risk the Gop establishment is making is great. very great.

Good point, this is a dangerous move on the part of the GOP if too many of their old supporters simply bypass them. How many other candidates will see this and tell the GOP that their assistance would be welcome, but if not, they can just go away. You can’t wield any power if you can’t get in the room.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM

crew the GOP Establishment.

Norwegian on September 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Amen.

SlimyBill on September 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM

I want everyday people in office not brainwashed havard zombies.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:55 AM

T-SHIRTS, BUMPERSTICKERS, Cornyn wannabe and Harvard Zombie Pinatas.

maverick muse on September 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM

I haven’t called anyone a troll except Good Lt – and that’s exactly what he is. Scroll up and you’ll see that I’ve welcomed any and all who say they will support O’Donnell. Stop misrepresenting my posts.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Well, first of all, you have been pretty nasty – both pre-primary and now after. You seem to think it is a one-way street, but you are just as nasty as anyone in return. Just because your candidate won, you don’t need to be nasty. As you know, I was nasty as well. But the primary is over and I have agreed to get on board. Good Lt has a long history on this site and is a conservative. Why you feel the need to be so nasty, now that your candidate won the primary, is beyond me. I also attempted to chastise Good Lt. But, each of you is acting like children in this matter. Try having a little class and being gracious in your victory. I also think that Good Lt should be gracious in defeat. But you are both keeping this anymosity going. It’s not like you are pure as the driven snow here.

Monkeytoe on September 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM

You’re right, in all likelihood Coons is better with a budget. Of course, he’ll vote for every crap sandwich the left wants him to, but he does have experience with a county-level budget.

Good Solid B-Plus on September 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Experience matters.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Unseen:

Just wanted to say thanks for posting the link to donate to O’Donnell and other conservative candidates! I’m afraid that conservatives are going to have to work hard and donate hard in our battle with the establishment machine. May the force be with us!!

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM

moneybomb just hit 80% that’s $160,000 in 12 hours suck it GOP establishmen. we will fund her. We will take our country back and we will have our lives back so we do not have to wake up every day and wonder what freedom is going to be gone today.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM

That’s not “bridge building.” It’s something, but it ain’t “bridge building.”

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM

I’m not interested in building bridges with people who are bent on the destruction of our country. I’m interested in exposing you as a fraud and a troll. Of course, you’re making it easy to do.

Getaclue.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM

You don’t want my help. I’m a “RINO-traitor” or something, despite evidence to the contrary (years of commenting here and contributing at that reliably RINO warehouse at the Jawa Report). You’ve made it clear that I and “my kind” are not welcome in your big tent.

Well done.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM

But the one thing you can count on is that if O’Donnell gets beat in the general it won’t be a flawed candidate that is the reason, the mantra will be “The RINOS didn’t get behind her enough”

Wonder if Ed will advise the O’Donnell faithful to grow up if that occurs? Nah, probably not.

Bradky on September 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Aren’t the GOP resources better spent defeating Murray, Boxer, and Feingold? If we won all three, it’s possible that we could take the Senate.

I wouldn’t trust anyone squandering money on O’Donnell to balance the federal budget.

thuja on September 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM

The GOP already said they won’t help her. She’ll have only whatever support she gets from locals, out of state folks and the Tea party. Fortunately, that’ll probably be more than she needs.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Fossten: So he doesn’t support OD. Fine. You can tell him you won’t support candidates that he tells you to support, and he has no recourse except to be a hypocrite.

Let it go.

What do we stand for?

We do not stand for coerced assistance. If you do, the Democratic party and its forced redistribution of wealth will welcome you. If the Lt. won’t help, don’t push him. But he also loses all claim on your services.

For the other side:

Why can’t we stand on principle? Don’t we believe that the ‘burned hand teaches best’? Economically, don’t conservatives believe that a free market is the best system? Isn’t that the system that doesn’t sugar-coat failure?

We let poor products fail.

If that’s OD, fine.

If that’s the Republican party as it currently exists, that is also fine.

If you think that the party is ‘too big to fail’, you have just conceded one of the strongest pro-liberal arguments without even thinking about it.

Nothing is too big to fail.

Scott H on September 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM

the GOp establishment runs the risk of becoming an after thought if O’Donnell shows she can win without them In DE. they are done. The risk the Gop establishment is making is great. very great.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM

They, and the media, are completely clueless as to the motivation, energy, and desires of most voters. And the Dems are even more addled.

I very much agree that the GOP needs to stop whining about the voters choosing the “wrong” person. They need to explain to me how the people of Delaware just nominated somebody that the people of Delaware won’t vote for. Delaware folks might be different, but voters here in Virginia consider things like electability in the general before voting. Are we to assume that they WILLINGLY set up a sacrificial lamb for the Dems?

A bunch of beltway experts need to learn that the people make informed choices. It’s true of the free market, and in politics as well. They can either get that message now, or learn it after they’re turned out of their comfy Potomac offices by voters or fleeing subscribers/viewers.

hawksruleva on September 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Experience matters.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Wrong.

In Washington, experience corrupts.

SlimyBill on September 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Monkeytoe on September 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Thanks. I’ve tried not to make any of my posting personal, and even I fail from time to time at that depending on the issue, but fossten’s hatred of me in this episode, which shines through quite clearly in his posting, is really something to behold.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM

I seem to recall a major point of the anti-Castle people was that as a RINO he would give the media cover to say 50 dems + Castle = bipartisan. Why the concern of what the media said then, why only today pull up your big boy pants?
jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM

Great thing about this nation, everyone gets to have an opinion. What you are referring to I never said, feel free to research the 200 Delaware threads if you don’t believe me.

Find the people who did say that and bring it up with them.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM

A bunch of sore losers within the GOP establishment and the Hot Air family. How long do the tears continue to flow? I must say they sure taste sweet.

For months now, Allahpundit has written blog after blog on how those awful Tea Party candidates are going to resort to third party runs once the electorate rejects them as the extreme candidates they are. Instead, however, it is the enlightened moderates of the GOP establishment who cannot accept defeat and play team ball. Maybe Allahpundit will find the courage to write a blog post similar to Ed’s and admit that he was wrong.

Is Castle talking to the Delaware Libertarian Party yet?

If you don’t like the Republican candidate Christine O’Donnell then support the Democrat. Put your money where your mouth is.

Chris Coons for Senate.
http://www.chriscoons.com/splash/

chief on September 15, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Bradky on September 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Hope springs eternal :-)

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 11:00 AM

That’s the spirit, and a great indicator of why the GOP has been so feckless and impotent lately.

To paraphrase: Don’t you at least want to try and barter a better deal before you tuck tail and run?

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 10:54 AM

First, as already mentioned when it comes to me I won’t support O’Donnell no matter what out of principle. Principle is everything, remember?

As for the party there is no point wasting money on a sure loss after it was a free sure win. That’s lose-lose for the GOP and conservatives. The best thing now is to focus on WI, CA, FL, WA, maybe WV and CT

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM

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a lil coin for the plate

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Any CO’D fans who want to make some money on November 3rd should publish their odds today. By Friday the whining RINOs will be whinging a different tune.

gh on September 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM

The GOP already said they won’t help her. She’ll have only whatever support she gets from locals, out of state folks and the Tea party. Fortunately, that’ll probably be more than she needs.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM

True, true. In fact, that would be a great campaign slogan. “Powered by the average citizen.”

hawksruleva on September 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM

austinnelly on September 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM

This is how it is, and how it’s going to be. They’ve told us enough times. If the RINO wins we’re supposed to join in and get behind them. If the conservative wins, they will sabotage him/her and get behind the DEM.

Time to move on, let them support themselves. We’ve got a lot of work ahead of us.

Eren on September 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM

I’m not interested in building bridges with people who are bent on the destruction of our country.

Yes.

I’m now interested in the “destruction of our country” because I didn’t like fossten’s chosen candidate.

Getting more reasonable by the post, you are.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Well, first of all, you have been pretty nasty – both pre-primary and now after. You seem to think it is a one-way street, but you are just as nasty as anyone in return. Just because your candidate won, you don’t need to be nasty. As you know, I was nasty as well. But the primary is over and I have agreed to get on board. Good Lt has a long history on this site and is a conservative. Why you feel the need to be so nasty, now that your candidate won the primary, is beyond me. I also attempted to chastise Good Lt. But, each of you is acting like children in this matter. Try having a little class and being gracious in your victory. I also think that Good Lt should be gracious in defeat. But you are both keeping this anymosity going. It’s not like you are pure as the driven snow here.

Monkeytoe on September 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM

I haven’t gloated at all. We’re all on the same team.

Well, except Good Lt. He’s on his own team.

Ask him.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 11:02 AM

instead of “submit comment” choose “submit donation” and do something here.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 11:02 AM

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