GOP moans about losing chance to take control of Senate with Castle defeat

posted at 8:48 am on September 15, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Last week, when trying to keep irrational exuberance in check about the likelihood of taking control of the House, Republicans warned that they might fall short of winning 39 seats in a 435-seat election.  Suddenly, in the wake of the rejection of Mike Castle by Delaware Republicans, party officials now want to say that Christine O’Donnell has ruined their chances of netting nine seats in a 35-seat election.  Politico’s Jonathan Martin reports on the supposed sad wreck of the grand design:

Christine O’Donnell’s surprise victory in the Delaware Senate GOP primary Tuesday left Republicans in conflict, senior party officials openly fretting that the Senate is now out of reach and Democrats overjoyed that the opposition has handed them a late and desperately needed chance to reframe the national argument about the 2010 elections.

Aside from the political implications of the upset, the outcome prompted a round of deep Republican soul-searching about what it said about their party when a political pillar in Delaware like Rep. Mike Castle, a respected lawmaker who was considered a shoo-in for the Senate seat, could not even come within six points of defeating the controversial and still largely unknown O’Donnell. …

In the wake of Tuesday’s results, a state that would have almost certainly been a pick-up for the GOP is now likely to stay with the Democrats, making it more difficult for Republicans to win the 10 seats necessary to take back control of the Senate.

“We were looking at 8 to 9 seats in the Senate, we are now looking at 7 to 8 in my opinion,” said a visibly-unhappy Karl Rove on Fox News after the race was called for O’Donnell Tuesday night. “This is not a race we’re going to be able to win.” …

“This makes the road much steeper for Republicans to win back the Senate because this was a seat they had counted on,” said former Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.), a former House campaign committee chairman.

Oh, please.  Politics relies in part on setting expectations.  That’s what Republicans tried doing last week when tamping down predictions of a wave of 60, 70, or even more House seats switching.  Now suddenly they’re distraught over the prospects of picking up nine seats in the Senate — when three months ago, a pickup of five or six seats would have been welcomed as a major gain and a way to ensure a Republican presence large enough to force Democrats to come to the table.

My advice to the GOP would be to quit whining about losing a long-shot bid to win control of the Senate and focus on actually winning the races.  In fact, the odds of winning control of the upper chamber didn’t actually decline all that much, because they were small to begin with.  Just a few days ago, John Cornyn told a reporter that Democrats would keep control of the Senate through 2012, when Democrats have to defend a lot more seats than the GOP.

The better question on which to focus is in Martin’s second paragraph.  What does Mike Castle’s crash and burn among Delaware Republicans say about their party organization?  After all, we have heard oodles of commentary about how Delaware Republicans are moderates who might get energized by the Tea Party but supposedly aren’t looking for conservative candidates.  Instead, they convinced Castle to leave a relatively safe House seat instead of looking for someone who hadn’t backed a government takeover of the energy sector in cap-and-trade (in a coal-dependent region!) and co-sponsored the DISCLOSE Act.  Perhaps had the GOP establishment listened a little more carefully to Delaware Republicans, who turned out relatively heavily in this election, they wouldn’t find themselves crying in their lattes this morning.

They stuck with a liberal, establishment candidate in a cycle where liberals and establishment figures are uniquely unpopular.  Had the Republican leadership been in touch with Delaware Republican voters, they might have found a more suitable candidate for the popular mood, and would not have had to deal with Christine O’Donnell and her outsider bid.  They have no one to blame but themselves.

Instead of pouting, Republican leaders in Delaware and around the country need to unite around the nominee, who was chosen by the Republicans in Delaware.  Had Castle won the nomination, they would have demanded unity themselves, and rightly so.   If they want to continue to issue snarky, anonymous asides and in essence take their ball and go home, don’t expect the electorate to follow them into battle in the future.  Rarely have I seen such childishness from the supposed leaders of a political establishment, who set the very rules and customs they now want to ignore because they just got embarrassed on a national stage.

Grow up, shut up, and get to work.

Update: Kevin McCullough agrees:

Mike Castle, if he is a man of loyalty to the party he wished to represent should hold fundraisers for O’Donnell beginning next week. Lisa Murkowski should follow suit in Alaska for Joel Miller. And Sue Bowden should be doing the same for Sharron Angle in Nevada.

In other words if “establishment” candidates are willing to give anything more than lip service to the party they wished to represent, then they should be willing to roll up their sleeves and do the hard work of campaigning for someone they disagree with on issues. And they should do so remembering they are in it for the greater good. …

We were told that in the end having a majority with an (R) after their name was the best thing of all.  Well, I see no reason why that statement can’t hold true when a genuine Republican conservative wins a primary.

Update II: Glenn Reynolds interviews Scott Rasmussen on the Tea Party and its impact on the GOP and the two-party system.  Maybe Republican leadership should pay close attention.


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Moving the goalposts.

FAIL.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Um, the goal is the Senate seat, champ. And she hasn’t won it.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:05 AM

I guess they were “wishcasting” about Castle “mopping the floor” with “the person who couldn’t get elected dogcatcher.”

I just hope a couple of days off licking their wounds will let them pick themselves off, dust themselves off and support the (R) that’s actually in the race, not the one they were “wishcasting” into the role.

As distatasteful as Castle was, if he won (as Ed says) they would fully expect O’Donnell and her supporters to support Castle and they’d have every right to expect that.

DrAllecon on September 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM

good stuff. and vice versa. Folks will come around and back O’Donnell–they need to back the dog that’s in the race.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:06 AM

People keep saying we need 60 votes to repeal Obamacare. Why? They didn’t need 60 votes to pass it under reconciliation. I don’t see why it wouldn’t be the same for repeal.

Laddy on September 15, 2010 at 10:01 AM

We’d need 67 actually, to override Obama’s veto. As I understand it in 2013 it could be repealled via reconciliation since it was passed by it.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:06 AM

I believe Senators should have some basic level of competency and stability (which is what it seemed Rove was getting at). O’Donnell has neither and doesn’t deserve to be a Senator even if there was a chance Delaware would actually elect her. Coons may also not pass the test, but he’s the Democrats responsability, not ours.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Stability? So, if a candidate is in a wheelchair or physically handicapped, he/she isn’t good enough for you?

Seriously, all you have to know how to do in the Senate is say “Yea” or “Nay.” Do it at the proper time and I’ll vote for you.

So stop with the whole ‘pedigree’ bullsh!t.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:06 AM

Um, the goal is the Senate seat, champ. And she hasn’t won it.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:05 AM

do you want her to?

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM

DeMint’s PAC Looks to Raise $174K for O’Donnell “By Next Week”

DEMINT STEPS UP TO THE PLATE!

A National Republican Senatorial Committee tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD in an email it’s very unlikely that national Republican party organizations will be spending money on Christine O’Donnell’s Senate bid in Delaware:

“Considering the strong support that Christine O’Donnell has received from Jim DeMint, Sarah Palin and the Tea Party Express, and given their fervent belief that she’s a viable candidate, we have no doubt that support will extend into the general. Given that already strong level of support, I expect national Republicans will be re-directing their resources to other states like California, Washington and Wisconsin, where Republicans have an opportunity to win. But we look forward to Senator DeMint carrying through on his promise of an O’Donnell victory this November.”

Matt Hoskins, a spokesman for Senator Jim DeMint’s Senate Conservatives Fund, writes in an email to TWS that the Senate Conservatives Fund is rising to the challenge:

The party’s coordinated spending limit for a Senate nominee in Delaware is $87,000. The RNC and the NRSC each have that limit so it is double that amount. $174,000 total. Since the party is saying they will cut her off, this will be SCF’s initial goal. We will likely raise her this money from grassroots by next week.

Help if you can

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM

Rasmussen has her down by 11.

Akzed on September 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM

What’s the root of your beef with O’Donnell–she’s a woman?

Nope.

the polls?

If this isn’t a problem to you, then there’s no such thing as a problem.

the DE makeup of voters?

Yup.

Are you a big Castle fan, consider yourself a realist? WTF

The realists lost last night.

Not a Castle fan. Just a realist.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Um, the goal is the Senate seat, champ. And she hasn’t won it.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:05 AM

No matter how many times you bitch and moan about the future, logic isn’t on your side, Skippy.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM

It’s time for the tea partiers to put their money where their mouth is.

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Done and done. Not looking forward to next month’s cc bill.

RepubChica on September 15, 2010 at 9:51 AM

I think I hit the “send” button twice. That’s okay. I’ll cover for some of the sour grapes people who have until November to come around to the idea of Conservative women doing their share of the heavy lifting for the movement…

Fallon on September 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Folks will come around and back O’Donnell–they need to back the dog that’s in the race.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:06 AM

Indeed. There is no other option.

I really didn’t like Castle, and I really don’t like O’Donnell, but that’s life. I would have preferred a different candidate to fight Castle altogether, but she is the one now. She must be supported.

The NRSC should offer at least SOMETHING. They are acting childish.

blatantblue on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

do you want her to?

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM

There’s quite a few people who appear they don’t want her to win.

That’s what doesn’t make sense. First they whine and moan about losing the Senate seat, now they want her to lose it.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Rasmussen has her down by 11.

Akzed on September 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM

Damn RINOmussen ;-P

Alright. Enough.

Whatever happens happens.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM

ok, fair enough. I’m not in the mood to argue this am.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

I don’t get it.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Yes you do, darwin. You said it yourself; petty and spiteful.
You think Democrats have a monopoly on that?

Extrafishy on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Grow up, shut up, and get to work.

Exactly!

BobH on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Um, the goal is the Senate seat, champ. And she hasn’t won it.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:05 AM

do you want her to?

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM

No. He wants to be right.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

I am sick to death of the GOP establishment.

SueM on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Stability? So, if a candidate is in a wheelchair or physically handicapped, he/she isn’t good enough for you?

Seriously, all you have to know how to do in the Senate is say “Yea” or “Nay.” Do it at the proper time and I’ll vote for you.

So stop with the whole ‘pedigree’ bullsh!t.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:06 AM

How in the world did you get I don’t support handicapped people for Senate out of that? I’m sorry if all you expect your Senator to do is know when to press what button he’s told to, I expect mine to have some competence and a proven ability to at least manage their own life before they take part in managing the nation.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

I believe Senators should have some basic level of competency and stability

You haven’t been paying attention to the circus running the senate now. Competency and stability? In the U.S. Senate? ROFL

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

If O’Donnell loses, amidst a Republican tidal wave, I’m sure that Karl will be happy to accept all your apologies. :)

RBMN on September 15, 2010 at 9:11 AM

Wrong. Whether KR’s predictions turn out right or wrong, what he did to COD last night was wrong. No matter how slim her chances might be, another Republican should not torpedo COD like he did. Does KR want COD to lose?

If electing Castle (in spite of his shortcomings) was essential in order to take the Senate, now that COD has won, why isn’t getting behind COD (in spite or her shortcomings) essential, -in order to take the Senate?

slickwillie2001 on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Whatever happens happens.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

That’s the spirit, quitter.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM

The drama continues. The often predicted Repub leadership’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is happening right on schedule. From backing the wrong candidates, Crist comes to mind, to refusing to acknowledge their base, Delaware comes to mind.

Rove and company continue to outsmart themselves at every opportunity. Sure he got Bush elected twice but at what cost. His crew and their choices ran the country into the ground domestically leading to Obama, Reid and Pelosi. He/they continues to drive on the bridge to nowhere. With these folks the country comes second. I would not put it past the Repub leadership to purposely blow this November. In fact it is a prediction I have been making for several years. These people are not qualified to lead and yet they stay in power.

And you wonder why a community organizer and a botox queen run the country?!

patrick neid on September 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Rasmussen has her down by 11.

Akzed on September 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM

Damn RINOmussen ;-P

Alright. Enough.

Whatever happens happens.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

I appreciate your gracious acknowledgment that Christine is a worthy contender. Making up 1/2 of her polling deficit in 12 hours ain’t all that bad.

scrubjay on September 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM

For strategic local and national reasons I supported Castle… but now that it’s over, I’d be insane not to support COD.

Why is there any question here?

None of us supported Castle because we thought that he, personally, was good for the country… it was purely strategic. He’s gone, which on its own is a good thing. Now is the time to promote COD to DE and hope that Coons runs a Coakley-like campaign.

mankai on September 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM

https://senateconservatives.com/takeamericaback

Demint fund

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM

How in the world did you get I don’t support handicapped people for Senate out of that? I’m sorry if all you expect your Senator to do is know when to press what button he’s told to, I expect mine to have some competence and a proven ability to at least manage their own life before they take part in managing the nation.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Seems like she’s doing just fine. She just trounced the establishment former governor. Can you get behind the candidate now that the primary is over instead of bleeding all over the rest of us?

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM

There’s quite a few people who appear they don’t want her to win.

That’s what doesn’t make sense. First they whine and moan about losing the Senate seat, now they want her to lose it.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

I agree, it doesn’t make sense. It’s as if the Senate control is the overriding factor and that the baby is going out with the bathwater merely because of the “conventional wisdom” that a conservative like COD could “never” win in a blue state like DE. I think the conventional wisdom also went out the window when a ragtag group of farmers evicted the British crown from our shores …

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM

No. He wants to be right.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

It doesn’t matter what I want.

I’m an evil RINO, even though I whole-heartedly support people like Pat Toomey, Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, love El Rushbo and Mark Levin, etc.

So do what you will. It’s Christine’s race to lose win.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Yes you do, darwin. You said it yourself; petty and spiteful.
You think Democrats have a monopoly on that?

Extrafishy on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

I get that people are upset and need to vent and let it run it’s course. It may take longer than I thought though.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM

I wouldn’t blame Castle for not endorsing O’Donnell. She’s just too insane. This is what Democrats are sending people this morning:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/christine-odonnells-1996-anti-masturbation-campaign-on-mtvs-sex-in-the-90s.php

We should just let Coons quietly win. Getting identified with a woman like her could even snatch defeat from jaws of victory in the House. The appropriate to Obama’s leftist extremism was never to walk off the deep end ourselves.

thuja on September 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM

Rasmussen has her down by 11.

Akzed on September 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM

There’s a lot of time left to the election and a lot of energy to capitalize upon.

Isn’t it kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy to declare the seat lost on 9/15?

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM

So do what you will. It’s Christine’s race to lose win.
Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM

ok, please help.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:15 AM

No. He wants to be right.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Right, and the people who were willing to see Coons elected to stop Castle and send a message to RINO’s weren’t at all like that? I can’t speak for Good LT, but my position is the same and unchanged throughout. Has nothing to do with being right, that will happen anyways.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Isn’t it kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy to declare the seat lost on 9/15?

Religious_Zeahlot on September 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM

If that were the case, then, as Rush would say, why have elections? Let’s just declare Coons the winner and be done with it. This is exactly the reason why many polls skew their sample sizes now, then tighten them up near actual elections. They are heavily influential on attitudes.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM

You haven’t been paying attention to the circus running the senate now. Competency and stability? In the U.S. Senate? ROFL

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

If only I was the sole decider who could be a Senator. Sorry to say I’m not.

Besides, I’m supposed to give up my principles because of the current state of the Senate and play along? Isn’t the entire rationale for O’Donnell supposed to be not doing that?

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM

The only possible complaint the post-election Castle supporters could have is if the GOP somehow ends up with 49 or 50 seats because of an O’Donnell loss. He may have been the difference.

If the GOP ends up with 48 instead of 49 because Castle may have won DE… it’s a good thing. No one to give the Dems “bipartisan” cover. I’d rather have a solid 48, than a squishyer 49. Collins, Snowe, Graham still leaves some squish, but they won’t have a freshly elected Republican to argue that America wants squish.

Very few people were talking about a GOP Senate last week.

mankai on September 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM

That’s what doesn’t make sense. First they whine and moan about losing the Senate seat, now they want her to lose it.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

You’re catching on to this commenter… :-)

Keemo on September 15, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Mike Castle, if he is a man of loyalty to the party he wished to represent should hold fundraisers for O’Donnell beginning next week. Lisa Murkowski should follow suit in Alaska for Joel Miller. And Sue Bowden should be doing the same for Sharron Angle in Nevada.

Don’t for Bill McCollom in the FL gubernatorial race. He still hasn’t endorsed Scott.

This is further reason that we need a complete house cleaning. These idiots have forgotten THEY WORK FOR US!

GrayDog on September 15, 2010 at 10:18 AM

We should just let Coons quietly win. Getting identified with a woman like her could even snatch defeat from jaws of victory in the House. The appropriate to Obama’s leftist extremism was never to walk off the deep end ourselves.

thuja on September 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM

This appears to be a step into the deep end already. Let Coons win?

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Perhaps had the GOP establishment listened a little more carefully to Delaware Republicans, who turned out relatively heavily in this election, they wouldn’t find themselves crying in their lattes this morning.

Right on. Here is something for disgruntled souls. We are having to support John “My Friends” McCave.

antisocial on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Will all the negativity hounds please go away now. We have work to do here in getting another republican to the senate. If you have nothing positive to offer, please offer nothing by way of commentary. You may get your opportunity for “I told you so” after November, but for now most here want to try to get O’Donnell to the senate. If you don’t think that is for the good of the party, then go support Coons.

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM

If only I was the sole decider who could be a Senator. Sorry to say THANK GOD I’m not.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM

FIFY with prejudice

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM

With the GOP shunning her, money should come pouring in from sea to shining sea.

If she can beat Coons not only with no GOP help, but in spite of their petulant opposition, I mean, how great would that be? The GOP has given us more reason to support her; to beat Coons and to demonstrate that We the People run the show, not We the Parties.

Akzed on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Making up 1/2 of her polling deficit in 12 hours ain’t all that bad.

scrubjay on September 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM

OK, so according to Rasmussen, here’s the current breakdown:

Election 2010: Delaware Senate

Christine O’Donnell (R)-36%

Chris Coons (D)-47%

Some Other Candidate-8%

Not Sure-9%

So she’s 11 down, and 9% aren’t sure. Those 8%ers probably either wanted Castle, Beau Biden or somebody else. Democrats are not going to vote for her, we can pretty much guarantee that. Hope I’m wrong, history and watching politics in the PA-DE-NJ area for years suggests I’m not.

Even if you win all of those 9% undecideds, you’re still down 2%. Closer than most would have predicted, but still no cigar.

Hope that number changes, but must not betting on it.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM

She might not have such a hard time in November. After all, she’ll be running against a self-professed bearded Marxist.

UltimateBob on September 15, 2010 at 10:20 AM

do you want her to?

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM

Can she be worse than her opponent? At least she’d be caucusing with the right crew — in every meaning of the word. We need every boat anchor we’ve got to prevent the ship of state from drifting further to the left.

Castle has shown his true blue colors by having his campaign continue to savage O’Donnell even after it was clear she won.

If the state Republican Party refuses to pump funds into O’Donnell’s attempt to capture this admittedly vital seat, then I guess it’s up to us wee folk to do the honors for this person they thought could not be elected dogcatcher, but who has already toppled an incumbent in a hotly contested election.

unclesmrgol on September 15, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Thank you Ed for stating the obvious that somehow escapes so many around here.

conservnut on September 15, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Talks about a GOP controlled Senate at this time is foolish beyond comprehension… People are desperately trying to shift the focus off Obama and onto inside GOP fighting or anything that will get the public’s attention off Obama and his massive failures.

Bots will be inside every right wing blog trying to shift the topic. It’s time for another Obama failure post.

Keemo on September 15, 2010 at 10:21 AM

SO then, use every resource you have to give her the best chance to win instead of bitchin how your Good Old Boy was thrown out on his Liberal arse.

TheBigOldDog on September 15, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Ok, then link to the tea party people who maybe didnt support Castle, but who were against O’donnell. Obviously Palin and Demint thought she was a grand pick. Also the out of town money seemed to overcome any local opposition to her as well.

[Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:57 AM]

Maybe I should have put your whole previous comment up:

But again Ted, who in the tea party now, seeing the template used to support O’donnell and Angle will support brown in his re-election? The answer is no one if they stay consistent. You want to say that the context of each race is important, but as we just saw in O’donnell its not anymore. Its simply the farthest right candidate regardless of the circumstance.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I see your point as saying that support for people like Brown in MA, not Castle in DE, will change because the template has changed. It further implies that this changed template is because it’s now Tea Party National, not Tea Party Grassroots, if you will, and that we should assess anything in the future based on what happened last.

I disagree. The Tea Party is still grassroots and decentralized. What happens in DE is not necessarily what happens, or will happen, in MA. Yes, some TP’ers across the nation get involved in specific races, but that is a function of specific individuals based on specific conditions. It’s fine to compare as “like” situations but that does not mean “same as”.

I’m not going to get into the “grand pick” thing other than to say you ought to reduce your use of superlatives.

Dusty on September 15, 2010 at 10:21 AM

So she’s 11 down, and 9% aren’t sure. Those 8%ers probably either wanted Castle, Beau Biden or somebody else. Democrats are not going to vote for her, we can pretty much guarantee that. Hope I’m wrong, history and watching politics in the PA-DE-NJ area for years suggests I’m not.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Wasn’t she down 25 at one point? Jeez you are the biggest whiner I’ve ever seen, and that includes my kids.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:22 AM

SO then, use every resource you have to give her the best chance to win instead of complaining how your Good Old Boy was thrown out on his Liberal arse.

TheBigOldDog on September 15, 2010 at 10:22 AM

If that were the case, then, as Rush would say, why have elections? Let’s just declare Coons the winner and be done with it. This is exactly the reason why many polls skew their sample sizes now, then tighten them up near actual elections. They are heavily influential on attitudes.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM

I think you misunderstood my post.

I believe that those who are declaring the seat lost on 9/15/2010 are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.

By giving up before it even gets started, they are helping to ENSURE that she loses.

When the NRSC throws a temper-tantrum on election night, they are helping to ENSURE that their prediction (she can’t win) will come true.

When Castle refused to endorse O’Donnell, he’s helping to ENSURE that his prediction (that she can’t win) will come true.

If, however, they had either kept their mouths shut or, better yet, had gotten behind O’Donnell…

…there is a decent chance in this political climate for her to win.

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Very few people were talking about a GOP Senate last week.

mankai on September 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM

ed had a great post on this yesterday implying that this DE race is only vitally important in a narrow set of circumstances (ie, if they win 9 (?) other seats) or if yada yada something else). He effectually threw cold water on the Senate control notion and all the hyperbole surrounding it.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:22 AM

We were told that in the end having a majority with an (R) after their name was the best thing of all. Well, I see no reason why that statement can’t hold true when a genuine Republican conservative wins a primary.

I was as vociferous a denouncer of O’Donnell as anyone here at Hot Air, but this is spot on. If Castle had won, we would have expected the “true conservatives” to fall in line and support the nominee that was selected by voters. Castle and the GOP needs to do the same.

I came here to crush Democrats. Nothing more, nothing less. I want to make them suffer politically for what they’ve done to this country. I wanted Castle because I thought he made it easier to do that. But as has been said, you go to war with the army you have. It’s time for everybody to get out and push. If O’Donnell does lose the general election, at least I’m not giving anyone the excuse to say it was because I and other Castle supporters didn’t get behind her when she needed us. And if she wins, then so much the better.

We can point fingers after November 2. Right now we are part of a team.

Caiwyn on September 15, 2010 at 10:23 AM

That’s what doesn’t make sense. First they whine and moan about losing the Senate seat, now they want her to lose it.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

I agree, it doesn’t make sense.
ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM

You two are missing it. If a conservative wins in a blue state the entire reason to have RINOs goes down for the count. They understand that a conservative victory anywhere in the NE will spell the doom for liberal GOP. That is why they did what they did in NY-23 this is why they left the conservative to twist in the win in CT in 2006 and supported liberman. 9Bush didn’t even endorse the Conservativ ein that race) This is why they supported Spector over Tommey.

conservativ ewins in the northeast spells the deathknell for the RINO worldview. It has been what they have been fighting against since Reagan. Reagan almost crushed the blueblood wing of the GOP in the NE. sinc eReagan they have said we need to run “moderate” GOP in the NE as the only way to win and for that strategy we have gotten almost all Senate seats in the NE placed in the Dem colume.

This is why they will activly attack any conservativ ein the NE. Because they want people to believe a conservative can’t win in the NE. (you see only redneck racists are conservatives)

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Seems like she’s doing just fine. She just trounced the establishment former governor. Can you get behind the candidate now that the primary is over instead of bleeding all over the rest of us?

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM

If only primary wins were the same as general election wins, then we’d never lose! Hmm, neither would the other side. Anyways, I am joining you guys. A message has been sent to RINO’s while Coons will be the next Senator from Delaware and ensure the future of the GOP. Exactly as planned.

Not that any of this really matters. I doubt many of us live in Delaware and though important in aggregate, small contributions individually mean nothing.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Hope that number changes, but must not betting on it.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM

This is a case where the ability of the candidate to reach voters will be paramount. Christine is a charmer and I believe that she will be able to convince the necessary number of voters to come over to our side. The economic conditions are ripe for opening minds.

scrubjay on September 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM

I wouldn’t blame Castle for not endorsing O’Donnell. She’s just too insane. This is what Democrats are sending people this morning:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/christine-odonnells-1996-anti-masturbation-campaign-on-mtvs-sex-in-the-90s.php

Haven’t MOST people on the Hill said/done something really stupid?

Heck, Massachusetts kept electing a murderer and a drunkard!

And keep in the mind the country is in no mood to listen to the mud that Democrats are trying to sling.

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM

It is our race to win. This is not a deep red state. In fact all races are our races to win or lose. I’d rather prefer a win.

antisocial on September 15, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Indeed. There is no other option.

I really didn’t like Castle, and I really don’t like O’Donnell, but that’s life. I would have preferred a different candidate to fight Castle altogether, but she is the one now. She must be supported.

The NRSC should offer at least SOMETHING. They are acting childish.

blatantblue on September 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM

That’s the adult attitude Ed is looking for. As much as I despised McCain in 2008, I came home and voted for him because I knew that Obama would be worse (and I was right; Obama IS worse). In 2006 in Wisconsin, when Mark Green got Scott Walker to drop out of the gubernatorial race before the primaries, I got over it and supported Green.

steveegg on September 15, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Wasn’t she down 25 at one point? Jeez you are the biggest whiner I’ve ever seen, and that includes my kids.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:22 AM

In favorability vs. the Democrat.

That’s not a “who are you voting for” question.

Pay attention.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Once again we have proof that the Republican party would rather a Democrat win a seat than to have a Republican that they can’t control in that seat. So now off they go to pout and they’ll take their money with them to try and lose this seat on purpose just to teach us all a lesson.

Why do people vote for these d-bags again?

Benaiah on September 15, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:22 AM

naw, I got you and see your point regarding the self fulfilling prophecy but just took it a step further and stated that those that don’t check their opinions at the door do, as you stated well, set the conditions for failure by their rhetoric. Again, if the rhetoric is harmful and could set up failure (which we know) then why the hell have the elections anyway if we are going to both a) be doomsayers and b) wish doom upon ourselves simply by speaking it.

anyway. long winded.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:26 AM

O’Donnell, it seems, is opposed to masturbation, and considers looking at pornography akin to adultery.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/christine-odonnells-1996-anti-masturbation-campaign-on-mtvs-sex-in-the-90s.php

thuja on September 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM

Lord (and everybody here knows) I have no love for the Catholic Church, but those positions are standard RC teaching. In fact, masturbation is a “grave [mortal] sin” in Catholicism (if the sin is not absolved, it means fiery eternal torment).

If the Left wants to go there, they are going to be attacking RC teaching in a state with a significant RC population (25-30%). Biden is Catholic. If I were COD, I’d ask Maddow to ask Biden what he thinks of standard Catholic teachings.

mankai on September 15, 2010 at 10:27 AM

and they WONDER why we keep voting RINO’s out….

This is the leadership we want removed….can’t they understand I won’t donate to a group that gets behind a tool like Charlie Christ and dumps millions into Rino’s and then slams Christine????????

SDarchitect on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Rarely have I seen such childishness from the supposed leaders of a political establishment, who set the very rules and customs they now want to ignore because they just got embarrassed on a national stage.

It’s not JUST the childishness, it’s the arrogance and stupidity as well. The people running the Republican party STILL don’t understand why they lost BIG TIME in 2006 and 2008. And they have COMPLETELY misread the election of 2010. They are elitist MORONS and they are UNFIT to lead the Republican party (or any other, for that matter).

My collie says:

The 2010 election is NOT about Democrats or Republicans. Anyone that bothered to show up at a Tea Party already knows this. The election is about three things, viz.
1) the massive expansion of the federal government that now intrudes into every facet of our lives,
2) the deficit spending that was used to fund this overreach (which has destroyed our quality of life and sentenced our children and grandchildren to a life of slavery),
3) the incumbants (both Democrats and Republicans) who perpetually turned a deaf ear to the electorate when they were confronted on these matters.

It’s pretty sad when my stupid dog understands things better than our imperious leadership.

CyberCipher on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

So she’s 11 down, and 9% aren’t sure. Those 8%ers probably either wanted Castle, Beau Biden or somebody else. Democrats are not going to vote for her, we can pretty much guarantee that. Hope I’m wrong, history and watching politics in the PA-DE-NJ area for years suggests I’m not.

Even if you win all of those 9% undecideds, you’re still down 2%. Closer than most would have predicted, but still no cigar.

Hope that number changes, but must not betting on it.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM

The PESSIMIST sees these numbers on 9/15 and gives up.

The REALIST sees these numbers on 9/15 and understands that it’s early and that there’s a lot of work to do.

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Caiwyn on September 15, 2010 at 10:23 AM

High five, sis.

o/\o

If only primary wins were the same as general election wins, then we’d never lose! Hmm, neither would the other side. Anyways, I am joining you guys. A message has been sent to RINO’s while Coons will be the next Senator from Delaware and ensure the future of the GOP. Exactly as planned.

Not that any of this really matters. I doubt many of us live in Delaware and though important in aggregate, small contributions individually mean nothing.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM

High five to you as well.

o/\o

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

We can point fingers after November 2. Right now we are part of a team.

Caiwyn on September 15, 2010 at 10:23 AM

nice boomstick.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Christine is a charmer

LOL

OK, had to laugh at that. Understand where you’re coming from, but I’ve been less than charmed by this candidate.

The economic conditions are ripe for opening minds.

scrubjay on September 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM

This is probably the only thing that could save her.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

thuja on September 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM

Don’t you remember the times? Clinton’s HHS Secretary Jocelyn Elders forced to resign in 1994? Christine made her comments on MTV in 1996. Republicans took control in 1996, yet somehow we forced Clinton’s gal to resign in 1994. Teaching kids to masturbate apparently doesn’t go over too well with America. Let’s remember some history before we call crazy.

txhsmom on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Wow moneybomb for Christine is now up to $140,000 in half a day.

the NRSC better get on the train befor eit leaves the station.

Demint promising $174,000 Christine will have the money to fight a good fight.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Here’s the thing that those of us on the outside looking in all seem to miss: the REPUBLICAN VOTERS in Delaware are the ones who cast their votes last night. Given how far ahead Ms. O’Donnell was from the very beginning of the night, I would say that the REPUBLICAN VOTERS in Delaware didn’t WANT Mike Castle to be their Senator, regardless of who the Democratic candidate was.

And ultimately, THAT is what it is all about – the Senator from the state of Delaware represents the wishes of the PEOPLE of the state of Delaware, not any other state in the union. And the voters of that state have the right – just like the voters of EVERY OTHER STATE – to vote for the person that THEY want to represent them.

Agree with the voters or not, unless we live in Delaware it really isn’t our decision to make. If O’Donnell wins the general election and goes to D.C. and screws things up, then the VOTERS OF DELAWARE will send her packing. In the meantime, the DE-GOP can decide if they are going to listen to the DE voters and back candidates who are more in line with the electorates’ wishes, or if they are going to ignore them and go back to business as usual.

I think they got the message last night that the PEOPLE of Delaware don’t like what they’ve been selling them….

TeresainFortWorth on September 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM

I wrote Cornyn to let him know the GOP has seen their last dime from me. I will have to look into this DeMint fund, but for now I will only be sending money to candidates directly. Those who want to continue funding GOP lap dances and such, go right ahead. I’ve had enough.

I’m looking in my backup files to find some of those old McCain Pesos to send the GOP when they beg me for money cause I know it takes them forever to get the message. That’s one of their biggest problems. Oh well.

Eren on September 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM

It’s pretty sad when my stupid dog understands things better than our imperious leadership.

CyberCipher on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Palin/Collie 2012?

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Ok, then link to the tea party people who maybe didnt support Castle, but who were against O’donnell. Obviously Palin and Demint thought she was a grand pick. Also the out of town money seemed to overcome any local opposition to her as well.

[Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:57 AM]

A couple other things. If you need an example of a tea party person as you describe, I’ll offer myself.

As for your suggestion out of town money was the reason local opposition was overcome, I think that’s overstated considerably. It helped but it was not the only reason and ignoring all the other possible reasons in an effort to prop up our argument is just asking for it to trip you up at another time and in another place.

Dusty on September 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM

I doubt many of us live in Delaware and though important in aggregate, small contributions individually mean nothing.
jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM

wtf? two plus two doesn’t equal four? Or, it only equals four if directed by the senate re-election committee?

a capella on September 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM

FIFY with prejudice

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Sure, because we all hate Rubio, Toomey, Portman, Johnson, Demint, et al. around here I guess.

Nice continuing the Nutroot style of arguments btw. I don’t mean that with any prejudice, just how it is.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM

The PESSIMIST sees these numbers on 9/15 and gives up.

The REALIST sees these numbers on 9/15 and understands that it’s early and that there’s a lot of work to do.

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Except that these numbers have been pretty consistent across many polls for months going into last night.

Bottom line – Christine is down by double digits in the general (not the primary, which no longer matters), and that’s the way it’s more or less been from the beginning.

Let’s see if it turns.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

The realists lost last night.

Not a Castle fan. Just a realist.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Last night’s “reality” isn’t real anymore, though.

SlimyBill on September 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Wow moneybomb for Christine is now up to $140,000 in half a day.

the NRSC better get on the train befor eit leaves the station.

Demint promising $174,000 Christine will have the money to fight a good fight.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

money talking. Bullsh!t walking.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

thuja on September 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM

Definitely one of the holier than thous

blatantblue on September 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

wtf? two plus two doesn’t equal four? Or, it only equals four if directed by the senate re-election committee?

a capella on September 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM

More important to my point, does 2 = 2 million?

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Sure, because we all hate Rubio, Toomey, Portman, Johnson, Demint, et al. around here I guess.

Nice continuing the Nutroot style of arguments btw. I don’t mean that with any prejudice, just how it is.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Yea.

I’m a troll for not being wooed by Christine.

But I love Rubio, Toomey, Jindal, Chris Christie, Palin, Rush, Levin, DeMint, and a host of other conservatives.

But since I don’t think that this particular candidate is the bees knees, well, I’m a troll, an Ayatollah, a whiner, a RINO, etc.

Par for the course at HA – and I wouldn’t change it for anything :-)

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:32 AM

No. He wants to be right.
fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM

He will be, at the end of the day. None of you true cons will ever acknowledge it, though.

Vyce on September 15, 2010 at 10:33 AM

The REALIST sees these numbers on 9/15 and understands that it’s early and that there’s a lot of work to do.

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

The REALIST sees the numbers, understands why they are, realizes every other Senate race just became more important, and understands the needs to cut off any support for this race.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Last night’s “reality” isn’t real anymore, though.

SlimyBill on September 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Right. Today’s reality is Christine is down by 26 points in favorability and 11 in a “who would you vote for” from Rasmussen. Take your pick.

That’s the new reality.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:33 AM

But since I don’t think that this particular candidate is the bees knees, well, I’m a troll, an Ayatollah, a whiner, a RINO, etc.

Par for the course at HA – and I wouldn’t change it for anything :-)

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:32 AM

c’mon with the whining here dude…jeepers.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:33 AM

So she’s 11 down, and 9% aren’t sure. Those 8%ers probably either wanted Castle, Beau Biden or somebody else. Democrats are not going to vote for her, we can pretty much guarantee that. Hope I’m wrong, history and watching politics in the PA-DE-NJ area for years suggests I’m not.

Even if you win all of those 9% undecideds, you’re still down 2%. Closer than most would have predicted, but still no cigar.

Hope that number changes, but must not betting on it.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Some of those 8% may be holding out for Castle to run as an Indy or a write-in. If Castle got his voter base fired up about O’Donnell, we could turn this from a longshot into a serious race, especially since the Dems seem to be planning to spend their DE money elsewhere since they believe Coons is a shoe-in.

Good Solid B-Plus on September 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM

… why can’t you people listen to yourselves?

Pro-Castle people: You have absolutely no room to even try to play the ‘Pro-OD people are playing the ‘I Won, Shut Up, He explained’ card’. Your entire position was that R > D, and if Castle won, we should all get him elected.

I agree with that.

But look at that statement. What is that if NOT ‘Shut up, we won’?

‘Our guy/girl won, so support him/her.’

If you’re willing to interpret that as ‘Shut up, we won’, you were saying this before the election on behalf of your candidate.

Pro-OD people: Don’t ask for help from the Republicans. For better or worse, they have made their will clear. It may be good strategy not to assist her, but publicly announcing that never is. We all agree on that.

… the only people benefiting from this are the ones who we both oppose, and people on both sides are tearing each other apart.

Why can’t you see this?

Scott H on September 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM

there was a time when jetboy’s reality was that charlie crist would “never” leave the R party and go I….so much so was that reality that he bet us that he’d eat his hat if Crist did make such a move.

reality.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM

He will be, at the end of the day. None of you true cons will ever acknowledge it, though.

Vyce on September 15, 2010 at 10:33 AM

They’ll know, though, and then blame me for being negative.

It’s not about me being right, though. It’s about having the best chance to win the seat.

And we blew that best chance. That’s all.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Let’s see if it turns.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Yeah because Reid will not try to bring up immigration before the election. the dems will turn more people agains tthem before the election.

Or maybe ROve and the others have another meltdown pis*ing even more people off. the establishment has no idea what they are doing and every action they make simply turns more people off of them and towards people like christine, miller angle

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Sure, because we all hate Rubio, Toomey, Portman, Johnson, Demint, et al. around here I guess.

Nice continuing the Nutroot style of arguments btw. I don’t mean that with any prejudice, just how it is.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM

You saying you wish you were the sole arbiter of Senate choices is statist and authoritarian. It’s that simple. I guess you don’t respect the Democratic process. Thank God you’re not in charge. The ‘average Joe’ would never sniff a government seat under your ‘rule.’

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Except that these numbers have been pretty consistent across many polls for months going into last night.

How many polls in 2006 had Obama winning?

How many polls had a Republican winning Teddy Kennedy’s seat?

And how often do readers here at Hot Air take polls as the gospel truth laid down for all eternity, forever and ever, hallelujah, where’s the Tylenol?

Religious_Zealot on September 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Count to 10 on September 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM

I welcome to True King’s purge list.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Purge list? You choose to lie and that’s why your credibility is shot.

True_King on September 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

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