GOP moans about losing chance to take control of Senate with Castle defeat

posted at 8:48 am on September 15, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Last week, when trying to keep irrational exuberance in check about the likelihood of taking control of the House, Republicans warned that they might fall short of winning 39 seats in a 435-seat election.  Suddenly, in the wake of the rejection of Mike Castle by Delaware Republicans, party officials now want to say that Christine O’Donnell has ruined their chances of netting nine seats in a 35-seat election.  Politico’s Jonathan Martin reports on the supposed sad wreck of the grand design:

Christine O’Donnell’s surprise victory in the Delaware Senate GOP primary Tuesday left Republicans in conflict, senior party officials openly fretting that the Senate is now out of reach and Democrats overjoyed that the opposition has handed them a late and desperately needed chance to reframe the national argument about the 2010 elections.

Aside from the political implications of the upset, the outcome prompted a round of deep Republican soul-searching about what it said about their party when a political pillar in Delaware like Rep. Mike Castle, a respected lawmaker who was considered a shoo-in for the Senate seat, could not even come within six points of defeating the controversial and still largely unknown O’Donnell. …

In the wake of Tuesday’s results, a state that would have almost certainly been a pick-up for the GOP is now likely to stay with the Democrats, making it more difficult for Republicans to win the 10 seats necessary to take back control of the Senate.

“We were looking at 8 to 9 seats in the Senate, we are now looking at 7 to 8 in my opinion,” said a visibly-unhappy Karl Rove on Fox News after the race was called for O’Donnell Tuesday night. “This is not a race we’re going to be able to win.” …

“This makes the road much steeper for Republicans to win back the Senate because this was a seat they had counted on,” said former Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.), a former House campaign committee chairman.

Oh, please.  Politics relies in part on setting expectations.  That’s what Republicans tried doing last week when tamping down predictions of a wave of 60, 70, or even more House seats switching.  Now suddenly they’re distraught over the prospects of picking up nine seats in the Senate — when three months ago, a pickup of five or six seats would have been welcomed as a major gain and a way to ensure a Republican presence large enough to force Democrats to come to the table.

My advice to the GOP would be to quit whining about losing a long-shot bid to win control of the Senate and focus on actually winning the races.  In fact, the odds of winning control of the upper chamber didn’t actually decline all that much, because they were small to begin with.  Just a few days ago, John Cornyn told a reporter that Democrats would keep control of the Senate through 2012, when Democrats have to defend a lot more seats than the GOP.

The better question on which to focus is in Martin’s second paragraph.  What does Mike Castle’s crash and burn among Delaware Republicans say about their party organization?  After all, we have heard oodles of commentary about how Delaware Republicans are moderates who might get energized by the Tea Party but supposedly aren’t looking for conservative candidates.  Instead, they convinced Castle to leave a relatively safe House seat instead of looking for someone who hadn’t backed a government takeover of the energy sector in cap-and-trade (in a coal-dependent region!) and co-sponsored the DISCLOSE Act.  Perhaps had the GOP establishment listened a little more carefully to Delaware Republicans, who turned out relatively heavily in this election, they wouldn’t find themselves crying in their lattes this morning.

They stuck with a liberal, establishment candidate in a cycle where liberals and establishment figures are uniquely unpopular.  Had the Republican leadership been in touch with Delaware Republican voters, they might have found a more suitable candidate for the popular mood, and would not have had to deal with Christine O’Donnell and her outsider bid.  They have no one to blame but themselves.

Instead of pouting, Republican leaders in Delaware and around the country need to unite around the nominee, who was chosen by the Republicans in Delaware.  Had Castle won the nomination, they would have demanded unity themselves, and rightly so.   If they want to continue to issue snarky, anonymous asides and in essence take their ball and go home, don’t expect the electorate to follow them into battle in the future.  Rarely have I seen such childishness from the supposed leaders of a political establishment, who set the very rules and customs they now want to ignore because they just got embarrassed on a national stage.

Grow up, shut up, and get to work.

Update: Kevin McCullough agrees:

Mike Castle, if he is a man of loyalty to the party he wished to represent should hold fundraisers for O’Donnell beginning next week. Lisa Murkowski should follow suit in Alaska for Joel Miller. And Sue Bowden should be doing the same for Sharron Angle in Nevada.

In other words if “establishment” candidates are willing to give anything more than lip service to the party they wished to represent, then they should be willing to roll up their sleeves and do the hard work of campaigning for someone they disagree with on issues. And they should do so remembering they are in it for the greater good. …

We were told that in the end having a majority with an (R) after their name was the best thing of all.  Well, I see no reason why that statement can’t hold true when a genuine Republican conservative wins a primary.

Update II: Glenn Reynolds interviews Scott Rasmussen on the Tea Party and its impact on the GOP and the two-party system.  Maybe Republican leadership should pay close attention.


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After the election, you unite behind the nominee. That is true if the TEA Party wins, and it is true if the RINO wins.

EXACTLY. That’s why you have a VOTE, then a WINNER and a LOSER.

What a bunch of whiney, miserable babies, starting with my very own AG, Bill McCollum. Hey, nimrod! YOU. L. O. S. T.

Grow up. No do-overs.
Suck it UP, and go work for the person who W.O.N.

tree hugging sister on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot. ~ Thomas Paine

Fallon on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

after this past year watching Bambi & the Congress, I will probably never, ever vote for another Democrat (I haven’t voted for a Democrat in 25 years).

so yes, to vote against a Dem, I would probably vote for a TEA partier provided they didn’t have a felony record.

but will a TEA partier be any different once they realize they have to raise $100,000/mo for their re-election coffers or for their caucus obligations? will they have to trade away certain ideals to keep precious legislation alive? remember that Ron Paul is a party of one, even though he caucuses with the GOP

kelley in virginia on September 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM

Freedom is never easy, but it’s worth fighting for. It’s a never ending battle against evil men, and yes that includes corrupt blue bloods in our own party.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

I’m all ears to hear from the GOP how picking McCain and losing all three branches of the government was ‘logical.’

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Ditto!

Talon on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

I WON.

Thanks, Obama.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

Yeah, I made that point in another thread regarding Honda’s invocation of the “I won, shut up” argument. It’s really sad how easily conservatives took up the tactics of the far left and nutroots to support O’Donnell.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Ya think trolls are lurking with targets set on stirring the kettle?

Ya think the talking points today are going to be “in-fighting cripples the GOP?”

Read with eyes wide open and the trolls will not be hard to recognize.

Keemo on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

If that’s true – then you’ll get behind the GOP nominee now since your strategery failed.

HondaV65 on September 15, 2010 at 9:30 AM

There is a difference between a failed strategy and one that was not tried.

Count to 10 on September 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Karl Rove has flipped his lid. I posted a message on his FB wall and told him that there’s no reason Christine O’Donnell can’t win in November unless, of course, he and the NRSC continue to act like spoiled rotten brats. I told Mr. Rove that something must have cracked because his elitism was showing through!

Oink on September 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Now that he’s lost – he’s unwilling to get behind the GOP nominee for the sake of a GOP majority.

Hypocrite – the very definition. Do as I say not as I do!

HondaV65 on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

Except that I’m not working against it or “refusing to support the candidate.

I won’t hesitate to point out the apparent hypocrisy of Team Christine when it comes to the TP supporting RINOS (Scott Brown), though. Asserting that the Tea Party doesn’t support RINOS simply isn’t factually accurate.

Or their hypocrisy over the “our way or the highway/I WON” approach to politics that they criticized Obama for.

Or their whining about the GOP not supporting the waste of donated money and resources to a candidate that will lose.

I know why you FAIL. Because you keep thinking Mike Castle was a RINO.

Mike Castle is worse than a RINO. He was the third Maine Sister. Just a Democrat with an R next to his name.

portlandon on September 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM

Mike Castle was the definition of a RINO.

And the Tea Party supported RINOs in Mass. and NJ.

What was different about DE?

Just a Democrat with an R next to his name.

Yeah. A Republican in Name Only (RINO). Thanks for verifying.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Don’t cry that they’re not supporting you, then. You don’t want their support. You can do this on your own and don’t need them.

Right?

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:21 AM

If you really want to see which half of the soon-to-be-former center-right coalition becomes the 21st Century Whig Party, keep it up. Just don’t ask the conservatives to back the moderate-to-liberal “Republicans” after a primary like they did for Christie and Brown and (in the end) McCain anymore, because when post-primary cooperation becomes a one-way street, it inevitably and quickly becomes a no-way street.

steveegg on September 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Charles Johnson is looking for a few good men. The views of Good Lt. would be applauded there.

Valiant on September 15, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Yeah, I made that point in another thread regarding Honda’s invocation of the “I won, shut up” argument. It’s really sad how easily conservatives took up the tactics of the far left and nutroots to support O’Donnell.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Alinsky tactics!

:-)

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:36 AM

hey, that’s a great update by Kevin McC. The hardest workers for today should be Rove, Castle, Cornyn and whoever else thought that they should just take their ball and go home. No way fellas, get your little asses in there and skin a knuckle, dial a phone, raise some cash and put your money where your mouth is. If this race is a fait accompli (ie, already lost by ODonnell) then why the hell do we have elections. No more pussy footing around—if y’all are the smartest and most talented jackwagons around, well, hitch your britches up Karl and Mikey—there’s races to be won.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Same shameful conduct. Same type of target. Why?

FlameWarrior on September 15, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Pushy broads derangement syndrome.They don’t want us messing up their deal.

katy the mean old lady on September 15, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Yes, Castle was a worm.

No argument there.

But that worm would have…

Wolda, coulda, shoulda… It’s over. Get out of the past. It is today, now.

People seem to take my support for Castle as ideological. It’s not. It’s political strategy.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

That strategy is not possible now. What do you have to contribute for the strategy to win now that the GOP has selected the candidate that you did not support?

scrubjay on September 15, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Judging from all the comments on the threads this morning, nobody is going to get down to read this. However, yesterday in the mail, I got a survey and contribution request from the NRCC. I threw into the wastebasket. Being from Oklahoma, all my representatives and senators, including the democrat Boren, are more conservative and honest than those of any other state. The Reps did not run anyone worth having against Boren so he will win and still be better than 400 other congress critters. Anyway, after seeing Castle’s reaction, along with Crist, Murcowski, et al, I dug the survey out of the wastebasker and wrote on it “Until the national party fully supports all primary winners, not one thin dime. The losers were never republicans as demonstrated by their actions after their losses.

I am not an active Tea Party supporter, but did go to the first assembly in Tulsa early last year. I think that if the national republican leaders don’t want to lead a distant third party, they had better get their acts together, sit on the sore losers, and support all winners – and also stop calling the winners losers. I don’t think most of the Tea Partiers want to be organized into a second party, but if this invective and abuse keeps up, they may decide to do just that.

Many of the great companies did not get started because of a dream, but because people were abused by previous companies and left to start up on their own. Their dream at this point often was to put the old company out of business (revenge).

Old Country Boy on September 15, 2010 at 9:37 AM

I’m all ears to hear from the GOP how picking McCain and losing all three branches of the government was ‘logical.’

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Ruling Party Syndrome. There is no logic, only narcissism.

Wade on September 15, 2010 at 9:37 AM

The seat is now a guaranteed Dem pickup. At least with Castle, you would have had a vote for Senate Majority Leader McConnell. 51 seats would have prevented another Elena Kagan from even getting out of the judiciary committee.

crushliberalism on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

McConnell? No thanks. And I live in Kentucky.

And where are the guaranteed 51 seats? I don’t remember seeing that ANYWHERE. Another factless assertion.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Wethal on September 15, 2010 at 9:20 AM

good post. I don’t think this is about one label over another. TP vs RINO vs DEM vs GOP.
I honestly think it is about the elites. I haven’t watched it yet but my guess is Rove on Hannity is a good example. Actually McCain in 08 is another example.
Wasn’t all that stuff in 1776 about getting rid of kings? Hello, anybody home?

ORconservative on September 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM

That strategy is not possible now.

Damn straight. And that’s a problem for the conservatives, because the GOP is their vehicle to power in politics.

The Tea Party is not a political party and is not on the ballot.

What do you have to contribute for the strategy to win now that the GOP has selected the candidate that you did not support?

Make sure your candidate never talks.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:39 AM

I am going to pray for the O’Donnell campaign, and give some $$ too. Everyone can put a shoulder against this race and win it. We chipped in when Scott Brown needed it and got his RINO butt across the line. Moneybombs and such are great. Marco Rubio too. Every little chip of the stone helps.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:39 AM

DrAllecon on September 15, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Dana Loesh of the Tea Party in St. Louis (?) was also on Fox & Friends. She is disappointed but not surprised by the attitudes of RNSC and establishment republicans to O’Donnell’s win. She also stated that the establishment has no interest in supporting tea party candidates and so it is up to the tea partiers of the nation to contribute and support these grassroots candidates so that they can win in spite of the establishment republicans. It’s time for the tea partiers to put their money where their mouth is. So please consider donating either to O’Donnell directly or to DeMint’s conservative PAC where you can specify which candidates on his web site you wish to contribute to.

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

If you want to vote like a dumbocrat then get out of the party!

RINOS suck!

NRA Lifer on September 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

I know why you FAIL. Because you keep thinking Mike Castle was a RINO.
Mike Castle is worse than a RINO. He was the third Maine Sister. Just a Democrat with an R next to his name.
Now you can go back to charging that hill. Blow your trumpet, its fun to watch.
portlandon

God will you please people try to argue with facts?! A democrat with a R next to his name that: voted against Obamacare, voted against using federal funds for abortions, voted against lilly ledbetter, voted against the stimulus, voted against watering down provisions against ACORN, voted against allowing the treasury to spend the second 350 billion of TARP funds, voted to extend the repeal of the estate tax. Yep thats a real democrat.
Oh and what type of Senator will O’donnell be? Who knows. As she’ll actually have to vote instead of filling out questionnaire.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Freedom is never easy, but it’s worth fighting for. It’s a never ending battle against evil men, and yes that includes corrupt blue bloods in our own party.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

We’re not bringing the boat over for the first time to set up shop. Send all the messages you want during the mid-terms but we are in for the fight of our lives in 2012. Everybody better be on the same page to topple the our present-day king.

sherry on September 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

People seem to take my support for Castle as ideological. It’s not. It’s political strategy.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

There is no strategy in supporting a candidate who is no longer in the running.

I think that would be closer to a ‘bitter clinger’. o.O

KinleyArdal on September 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Yeah, I made that point in another thread regarding Honda’s invocation of the “I won, shut up” argument. It’s really sad how easily conservatives took up the tactics of the far left and nutroots to support O’Donnell.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Considering you guys backed a card-carrying liberal statist, you’ve got no room to talk.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

If I owned a casino, I’d give every rabid Christine O’Donnell supporter a free room. I’d get that money back triple. I support her, but she’s nothing to be excited about.

RBMN on September 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

We chipped in when Scott Brown needed it and got his RINO butt across the line.

But Tea Partiers and real conservatives don’t support RINOs.

See the developing collective contradiction yet?

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM

After the behavior and comments of O’Donnell supporters I’d be seriously considering voting for Coons if I lived in Delaware.

That is simply petty and unhelpful. What do you expect politics to be … tea and cucumber sandwiches? Politics is wild and dirty. Today’s campaigns are nothing compared to campaigns of our early presidents. Compared to that we’re pussy cats.

Elections have consequences.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

No kidding.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Excuse the Dr.Allecon reference above. I copied my post from another thread and mistakenly copied too many lines :)

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM

It’s just that in her case, she’s lugging a lot of unnecessary baggage that could reflect badly on the Republican brand.
RBMN on September 15, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Where was Rove when the DE GOP chose this very same woman to run against Biden? Ranting and raving about the stupidity of the GOP?

The GOP threw O’Donnell at an entrenched Biden in a deep blue state which means either they thought she had a chance or they used her as a sop, knowing full well she didn’t have a chance but not wanting to risk putting a “Loss” next to someone more prominent in the GOP.

So which is it, the GOP thought O’Donnell was just fine back then, or they used her. Your choice.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM

There is no strategy in supporting a candidate who is no longer in the running.

Right.

And I offered my advice – muzzle Christine until November and you might have a chance :-)

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM

After the behavior and comments of O’Donnell supporters I’d be seriously considering voting for Coons if I lived in Delaware.

That is simply petty and unhelpful. What do you expect politics to be … tea and cucumber sandwiches? Politics is wild and dirty. Today’s campiagns are nothing compared to campaigns of our early presidents. Compared to that we’re kitty cats.

Elections have consequences.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

No kidding.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:43 AM

But Tea Partiers and real conservatives don’t support RINOs.

See the developing collective contradiction yet?

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM

yep, sure do. At the time, the nature of Brown’s support was to seize Kennedy’s seat. It was a symbolic victory more so predicated upon his vote against healthcare and a target of opportunity deep in enemy held territory (MA). At the time, his RINO-ness was an unknown but expected quantity. I understand the contradiction but the context of each race is important.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Look, sorry to seem rude, but why don’t you just tuck your tail between your legs and scurry off. You are contributing nothing but negativity at this point. Is that what you want to continue doing?

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:44 AM

It’s over. Let’s start looking at Coons. This guy is not the ideal candidate for Delaware. O’Donnell can win.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Neither is O’Donnell by a large stretch. Maybe less so than Coons but I’d wager dollar to doughnuts you’re not going to be able to win over one of the deepest blue states to your side.

Alinsky tactics!

:-)

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Yeah, well unfortunately they do work. For Democrats we know they’ll take you to the White House, for Republicans at least it’ll net you a win with about 4% of a state voting for you in a primary.

Charles Johnson is looking for a few good men. The views of Good Lt. would be applauded there.

Valiant on September 15, 2010 at 9:36 AM

How terribly unexpected.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Scott Brown is a democrat using the criteria the Tea Party idiots applied to Castle.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Was their Tea Party opposition to Scott Brown in the Massachusetts Senate Primary? I don’t know. At that point, the chances of winning Teddy Kennedy’s seat was so remote, nobody was paying attention.

But after the election, all Republicans united behind Scott Brown. The Tea Party supported the nominee.

If Castle had won yesterday, this Tea Partier would be in the foxhole with the Castle supporters, shoulder to shoulder, fighting the Democrats. But Castle did not win. Now I’m in the foxhole, and there is an empty space next to me, because the Castle supporters are pitching a fit.

It doesn’t work that way. If the Tea Partiers had pitched a fit in Massachusetts, we would have Senator Martha Coakley and they would have passed Obamacare with 60 votes without having to trash the Constitution. We would not have the righteous anger that is fueling this election. We would still be beaten down like dogs, and James Carville would still be talking about the Democrats being in charge for the next 40 years.

Haiku Guy on September 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM

The problem with Rove isn’t that he felt that Castle was the guy with the better chance in November. That might have been true, although I’m not sure I agree with him on that point. The problem with Rove is that after the votes were counted and Castle lost he goes on a national program and rips O’Donnell apart. It makes you wonder whose side is he on? He is deliberately trying to take her out, and I’m sure he will be doing whatever he can to diminish her cause.

exceller on September 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Rarely have I seen such childishness from the supposed leaders of a political establishment, who set the very rules and customs they now want to ignore because they just got embarrassed on a national stage.
Grow up, shut up, and get to work.

OUCH ED! Any possibility you’re directing some of this at “the architect” who embarrassed himself last night?

Rovin on September 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Look, sorry to seem rude, but why don’t you just tuck your tail between your legs and scurry off. You are contributing nothing but negativity at this point. Is that what you want to continue doing?

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Well you kind of got the “shut up” half in there, but you missed the “we won” half.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM

[ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:39 AM]

Agreed, Ted. I just don’t know whether it would be better to give her the money (which I did last night, too) or give it directly to a consulting team like the one Angle brought in to go help her out. The bottom line is she needs the money to win, though, and sell herself perfectly until election day.

Dusty on September 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Neither is O’Donnell by a large stretch. Maybe less so than Coons but I’d wager dollar to doughnuts you’re not going to be able to win over one of the deepest blue states to your side.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Well if others share your attitude then your prediction will come true. Why not go into the positive and try to help her defeat Coons?

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM

yep, sure do. At the time, the nature of Brown’s support was to seize Kennedy’s seat. It was a symbolic victory more so predicated upon his vote against healthcare and a target of opportunity deep in enemy held territory (MA). At the time, his RINO-ness was an unknown but expected quantity. I understand the contradiction but the context of each race is important.
ted c

But again Ted, who in the tea party now, seeing the template used to support O’donnell and Angle will support brown in his re-election? The answer is no one if they stay consistent. You want to say that the context of each race is important, but as we just saw in O’donnell its not anymore. Its simply the farthest right candidate regardless of the circumstance.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Make sure your candidate never talks.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:39 AM

So it it on record. Your strategy is snark. Are you going to spend the rest of the campaign trying to dredge up the past litany of smears always trying to stoke those burnt out embers?

scrubjay on September 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM

Rove is in the business of winning elections. Him, you can’t really criticize until he’s proven wrong. Hasn’t been shown yet that he’s wrong. Instead of throwing rocks at Rove, go out and make sure that he will be wrong.

RBMN on September 15, 2010 at 9:01 AM

He was wrong when he trashed her on Hannity last night, and the Dems are already using his little hissyfit against her. Thanks, Karl.
P.. I can’t get this quote thing to work right – I even did the whole thing over, but you get the point.

silvernana on September 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM

Agreed, Ted. I just don’t know whether it would be better to give her the money (which I did last night, too) or give it directly to a consulting team like the one Angle brought in to go help her out. The bottom line is she needs the money to win, though, and sell herself perfectly until election day.

Dusty on September 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM

I dunno either, but, every little bit probably moves the ball an inch or two. She bears the brunt of promoting her message and, if we (and the NRSC, Castle and others) would like to see a conservative take that seat, then we can put up or shut up like Ed suggests.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Once again, I hate to be rude, but if you go back through all the treads on this topic the last 2 days, it has been nothing but rude, crude negativity by this guy toward O’Donnell. The primary is over. It is time to get behind the candidate or, to put it bluntly, or shut up. To continue berating her serves no purpose whatsoever.

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM

The R establishment doesn’t want to give up any power to the tea party. They also want to appear to have some ethics by sticking with the story that he was their guy and they can’t just jump on board with the actual winner. They should stay out of primaries because they are local, but oh no, they want to be seen as powerful and all knowing.

Kissmygrits on September 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM

If Castle had won, wouldn’t his supporters be telling us to stop pissing and moaning and get behind the Republican candidate? It seems reasonable to allow yourselves one day to piss and moan, then get behind O’Donnell the way you’d expect us to get behind Castle.
Or…you can continue carping and whining until November 2nd.
Your choice.

Extrafishy on September 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Grow up, shut up, and get to work.

I agree. If the GOp establishment wants any type of power after 2012 they better get on board the train is leaving.

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Maybe if Castle hadn’t come out and ominously stated that if he didn’t get elected the senate wouldn’t be controlled by the GOP then things might have gone better for him. What a pandering, self-righteous, foolish thing to say.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM

The Republicans would do wise to pay serious attention to what this means. It means that people are sick and tired of how their country has been run, as well as run into the ground, and this is their way of conveying change, not by words, but by actions.

This should be something to warm the heart of the average Republican, for it means they do indeed have a chance to take both the House and the Senate in November, riding on the crest of the Will of The People, not on tired party politics.

On other words, stop boo-hooing in your beer! This is good news!

pilamaye on September 15, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Great post, Ed. The GOP’s foolish reaction to Castle’s defeat illustrates just how intent they are on keeping the entrenched incumbents versus supporting candidates that the people really want. They claimed they backed Castle because he had the best chance to win the general and O’Donnell might lose the seat. Now look who is jeopardizing the republican win!
DE is not as deep blue as some have stated in the comments. I believe the majority of folks here are conservative. We also have many sportsmen and military families who will support O’Donnell.
The demographics of the lower two counties in DE have changed drastically in recent years. The population of those counties has exploded. Yes, mostly with folks from blue states, but those who came here did so to escape high taxes. Lower Delaware is rural and strongly conservative. They will look favorably at O’Donnell.

dinobalz on September 15, 2010 at 9:50 AM

God will you please people try to argue with facts?! A democrat with a R next to his name that: voted against Obamacare, voted against using federal funds for abortions, voted against lilly ledbetter, voted against the stimulus, voted against watering down provisions against ACORN, voted against allowing the treasury to spend the second 350 billion of TARP funds, voted to extend the repeal of the estate tax. Yep thats a real democrat.
Oh and what type of Senator will O’donnell be? Who knows. As she’ll actually have to vote instead of filling out questionnaire.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

It’s cute how you whine about facts while conveniently omitting the numerous facts that aren’t helpful to your position.

FAIL.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:50 AM

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM

Sorry, for the grammar and spelling errors. I definitely need more coffee . . .

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:50 AM

The problem with Rove isn’t that he felt that Castle was the guy with the better chance in November. That might have been true, although I’m not sure I agree with him on that point. The problem with Rove is that after the votes were counted and Castle lost he goes on a national program and rips O’Donnell apart. It makes you wonder whose side is he on? He is deliberately trying to take her out, and I’m sure he will be doing whatever he can to diminish her cause.

exceller on September 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Probably the side, which I’m a part of, that doesn’t want the media annointed standard bearer of the GOP to be an unstable senator who can’t even lie well or pay her bills.

I thought this was about the Republican brand, better a dem than RINO making republicans look bad. Well you guys are right, better a dem than someone who will be a constant freak show for the media to bash republicans with.

This is all theoretical and pointless of course, she won’t win so it doesn’t really matter.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:50 AM

At the time, the nature of Brown’s support was to seize Kennedy’s seat.

You mean, the TP just supported a RINO just to win an election in a blue state?

The DEUCE you say!

Look, sorry to seem rude, but why don’t you just tuck your tail between your legs and scurry off.

You’d like that, but then you could exist in a world where you wouldn’t have to confront some of the things Christine supporters said and alleged, which are now conveniently being ignored and forgotten.

And that’s not the real world. That’s the world of the echo chamber.

Yeah, well unfortunately they do work.

So Alinsky tactics are OK – when tie right uses them?

You are contributing nothing but negativity at this point. Is that what you want to continue doing?

Sometimes, facts and the truth hurt.

Just like Christine winning. And just like her supporters now turning into SHUT UP I WON Obama-esque Alinskyites.

I say all of this with love, by the way.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:50 AM

It’s time for the tea partiers to put their money where their mouth is.

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Done and done. Not looking forward to next month’s cc bill.

RepubChica on September 15, 2010 at 9:51 AM

I WON.

Thanks, Obama.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

…./facepalm

Time to give up man. You have exposed yourself as a hypocrite and a baby.

Blarg the Destroyer on September 15, 2010 at 9:51 AM

But again Ted, who in the tea party now, seeing the template used to support O’donnell and Angle will support brown in his re-election? The answer is no one if they stay consistent. You want to say that the context of each race is important, but as we just saw in O’donnell its not anymore. Its simply the farthest right candidate regardless of the circumstance.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:47 AM

consistency, consistency. Do we vote on consistency? No, we vote on choices presented to us. I get so damn sick of hearing about consistency. Elections are about choices. Reelections are about choices. If upon reelection, Scott Brown wins a primary based upon his choices….then the people of MA (and the MA Tea Partiers of which there are many) will have chosen. Consistency, as you suggest, is important, but it is not the main thing. Those that argue for consistency, would like to have predictability but it all boils down to choices between flawed products. There are no perfect choices, just as there is no 100% consistency. my 2c

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:52 AM

What a pandering, self-righteous, foolish thing to say.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM

That’s what happens when you’ve been in public office for 40 years. You lose touch with reality and common sense.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Well if others share your attitude then your prediction will come true. Why not go into the positive and try to help her defeat Coons?

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Mainly because I don’t want her to win, sound familiar?

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:52 AM

The GOP threw O’Donnell at an entrenched Biden in a deep blue state which means either they thought she had a chance or they used her as a sop, knowing full well she didn’t have a chance but not wanting to risk putting a “Loss” next to someone more prominent in the GOP.

So which is it, the GOP thought O’Donnell was just fine back then, or they used her. Your choice.

How exactly did they “throw” her at Biden? Did they take her family hostage and force her to run?

I think she probably volunteered.

Jon0815 on September 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM

You want to say that the context of each race is important, but as we just saw in O’donnell its not anymore. Its simply the farthest right candidate regardless of the circumstance.

[Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:47 AM]

Your assumption is that all the various grassroots tea parties are the same (Delaware was Tea Party Express). They are not. Neither are all the tea parties run by some central borg mind sending out instructions to hive members.

Dusty on September 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM

a genuine Republican conservative

Yeah, OK.

She is because she says she is.

Which is all the evidence we need.

Not the way she lives her life.

Not the way she filed frivolous lawsuits.

Not the way she manages her finances.

Because Christine O’Donnell’s word is gold.

Unless you are a creditor or an employee in her campaign, apparently.

NoDonkey on September 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM

If Castle had won yesterday, this Tea Partier would be in the foxhole with the Castle supporters
Haiku Guy

Bull and you know it. Too many commentators on here and in the public in general said it was better to lose the seat then to see Castle win, that it would be better in the long run for the republican party. Also accusing your opponent of being gay (by constantly bringing it up and the firm you hire running the ad) doesn’t really lend yourself to wide support.
Me personally, she is just to extreme for me to support, mastubation is eveil, lets cure the gays, etc.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Rove is in the business of winning elections. Him, you can’t really criticize until he’s proven wrong. Hasn’t been shown yet that he’s wrong. Instead of throwing rocks at Rove, go out and make sure that he will be wrong.

RBMN on September 15, 2010 at 9:01 AM

See 2006 elections, amnesty, Republican spending…

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Time to give up man. You have exposed yourself as a hypocrite and a baby.

Blarg the Destroyer on September 15, 2010 at 9:51 AM

Translation: SHUT UP. I WON.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Mainly because I don’t want her to win, sound familiar?

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Like I said. Petty and unhelpful. People moaned about losing the Senate if O’Donnell won. Now they’re threatening to intentionally lose the Senate just to be spiteful.

I don’t get it.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Mainly because I don’t want her to win, sound familiar?

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Yeah, it sounds like you’re a Democrat. If you’re trying to allude to McCain. There were a lot of Conservatives who held their nose and voted for him. So, your allusion doesn’t work.

kingsjester on September 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM

And I offered my advice – muzzle Christine until November and you might have a chance :-)

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Go look at her victory speech.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4338405/christine-odonnell-were-in-this-to-win

She has nothing to be embarrassed about. You are fighting a phantasmagorical demon, not Christine O’Donnell.

scrubjay on September 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM

NoDonkey on September 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Well at least you can no longer claim that she’s never won anything.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:55 AM

Just like Christine winning. And just like her supporters now turning into SHUT UP I WON Obama-esque Alinskyites.

No, not all of us. If you want to keep biotching about results that you can’t change, it’s all cool.

But let’s also not forget about the Castle supporters on this very board who said they would either vote for or directly support Coons now that OD won, people who claimed to have “I’m A Conservative” tattooed on their forehead.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 9:56 AM

So Alinsky tactics are OK – when tie right uses them?

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:50 AM

I’m guessing that’s in response to me. The “unfortunately” and my frequent other posts should indicate that I don’t think it’s ok to use them. That though has little to do with their efficacy.

I’m sorry, I couldn’t tell if you meant I was suggesting it’s ok or if that was more rhetorical. Don’t mean to sound so churlish.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Your assumption is that all the various grassroots tea parties are the same (Delaware was Tea Party Express). They are not. Neither are all the tea parties run by some central borg mind sending out instructions to hive members.
Dusty

Ok, then link to the tea party people who maybe didnt support Castle, but who were against O’donnell. Obviously Palin and Demint thought she was a grand pick. Also the out of town money seemed to overcome any local opposition to her as well.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:57 AM

And I offered my advice – muzzle Christine until November and you might have a chance :-)

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Translation: SHUT UP. I WON.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Ironic troll is ironic.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Time to give up man. You have exposed yourself as a hypocrite and a baby.

Blarg the Destroyer on September 15, 2010 at 9:51 AM
Translation: SHUT UP. I WON.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Well, yeah. Please take a hint. You and some others are looking very bitter and petty at this point. Maybe some time away from this topic would help – seriously. :)

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Well at least you can no longer claim that she’s never won anything.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:55 AM

That’s cold comfort when she loses in November.

Her record will be 3 losses to Democrats and 1 win against a primary opponent.

Impressive.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:58 AM

She has nothing to be embarrassed about. You are fighting a phantasmagorical demon, not Christine O’Donnell.
scrubjay

Huh? Insinuating that your opponent is gay, lying in a lawsuit, not having a real job except running in campaigns, and spouting off the belief you can cure the gay aren’t things to be embarrassed about? If thats what she truly thinks she is a utter whack job.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Like I said. Petty and unhelpful. People moaned about losing the Senate if O’Donnell won. Now they’re threatening to intentionally lose the Senate just to be spiteful.

I don’t get it.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM

I believe Senators should have some basic level of competency and stability (which is what it seemed Rove was getting at). O’Donnell has neither and doesn’t deserve to be a Senator even if there was a chance Delaware would actually elect her. Coons may also not pass the test, but he’s the Democrats responsability, not ours.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:00 AM

The seat is now a guaranteed Dem pickup. At least with Castle, you would have had a vote for Senate Majority Leader McConnell. 51 seats would have prevented another Elena Kagan from even getting out of the judiciary committee.

But hey, at least you have a RINO scalp and a self-professed “bearded Marxist” to keep the Dems ruling the chambey. So congrats, I guess.

crushliberalism on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Please learn the rules before you comment on them. It takes at least 1 vote to get out of the SJC. Kagan could have been blocked, but for Graham.

So take your sanctimonious attitude and shove it.

Blarg the Destroyer on September 15, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Bull and you know it. Too many commentators on here and in the public in general said it was better to lose the seat then to see Castle win, that it would be better in the long run for the republican party…

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM

I have supported RINOs, and will continue to support RINOs in the General Elections.

Right now I am supporting my own Congresscritter, Leonard Lance, even though he is a excerable RINO, and voted for Cap and Trade. In the primary, I supported Steve Largent, his Conservative opposition, but the primary is over. Now it is time to support Lance, even though he was not my choice. He’s going to win, too.

But I’m also throwing a few bucks to Annie Little, the Tea Party Conservative who is running in the adjacent Congressional District against Frank Pallone. I can do two things at once.

Haiku Guy on September 15, 2010 at 10:00 AM

People keep saying we need 60 votes to repeal Obamacare. Why? They didn’t need 60 votes to pass it under reconciliation. I don’t see why it wouldn’t be the same for repeal.

Laddy on September 15, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Yeah, it sounds like you’re a Democrat. If you’re trying to allude to McCain. There were a lot of Conservatives who held their nose and voted for him. So, your allusion doesn’t work.

kingsjester on September 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Oh you mean like me holding my nose and voting for McCain in 2008. And no the allusion wasn’t to McCain.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 10:01 AM

What they really hate is how Sarah Palin’s influence seems to grow exponentially with every primary race she endorses. They FEAR her. I don’t GET THAT at all. I’ve not always been in agreement with Palin on issues; but what I see is that she is not afraid to say what she thinks; she’s not filtering for political manipulation; she doesn’t fit the “political strategists” mold.

That is what makes Palin so popular with voters. Voters don’t care if she isn’t scholarly, or always “articulate” and often, they don’t even care about her views on particular issues.

What they see is a woman who has deep convictions; what they see from every other politicians [cough, cough, john mccain] is calculation, vascillation, outright manipulation, for their own political careerism and capital.

Palin was pretty smart to seize the day and ride a wave of populist revolt, don’t you think? If that isn’t being politically astute, I don’t know what is. Karl Rove could learn a lesson.

mountainaires on September 15, 2010 at 10:01 AM

I’m all ears to hear from the GOP how picking McCain and losing all three branches of the government was ‘logical.’

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Pressing the “like” button here.

abcurtis on September 15, 2010 at 10:02 AM

christine has just raised $120,000 dollars from small donations since last night on the web. the GOP establishment is so screwed…

unseen on September 15, 2010 at 10:02 AM

That’s cold comfort when she loses in November.

Her record will be 3 losses to Democrats and 1 win against a primary opponent.

Impressive.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:58 AM

dude–you are hard to figure out. Sometimes you post some good stuff, other times, you can be a real pain in the a$$. What’s the root of your beef with O’Donnell–she’s a woman? the polls? the DE makeup of voters? what is it? Are you a big Castle fan, consider yourself a realist? WTF

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 10:02 AM

How exactly did they “throw” her at Biden? Did they take her family hostage and force her to run?
I think she probably volunteered.
Jon0815 on September 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Ok, maybe she volunteered, whatever. The DE GOP took OD lock stock and barrel, endorsed her, chose her as the candidate at their convention and put her up against a demorat who had dug roots into a blue state that were five miles deep.

Whether OD volunteered or not, the DE GOP apparently had no problem with her as a candidate back then. But now, NOW, oh my, the woman is a reckless dimwit who can barely tie her own shoes without help.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 10:02 AM

Too many commentators on here and in the public in general said it was better to lose the seat then to see Castle win, that it would be better in the long run for the republican party…

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM

The same people who will moan about Schumer as majority leader.

Vashta.Nerada on September 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM

It’s time to hold your nose and support O’Donnell.

blatantblue on September 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM

That’s cold comfort when she loses in November.

Her record will be 3 losses to Democrats and 1 win against a primary opponent.

Impressive.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Moving the goalposts.

FAIL.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 10:00 AM

The past, the past, the past.

Looks like you need to view her victory speech, too. Go look at it. She is a dynamic GOP nominee. We will win with Christine.

scrubjay on September 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Excuse the Dr.Allecon reference above. I copied my post from another thread and mistakenly copied too many lines :)

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM

LOL, I actually scrolled back because I didn’t remember posting on this thread, but with soooooo many nearly identical threads over the past week, it’s tough to tell.

I will take this chance to thank Ed for his post. Sadly, it’s pretty clear that a lot of Castle supporters who were backing Castle chiefly because he was an (R) do not seem willing to back the (R) that’s currently in the race now.

I guess they were “wishcasting” about Castle “mopping the floor” with “the person who couldn’t get elected dogcatcher.”

I just hope a couple of days off licking their wounds will let them pick themselves off, dust themselves off and support the (R) that’s actually in the race, not the one they were “wishcasting” into the role.

As distatasteful as Castle was, if he won (as Ed says) they would fully expect O’Donnell and her supporters to support Castle and they’d have every right to expect that.

DrAllecon on September 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM

The national GOP- all of which is based in Washington, DC- have gone over the line. Having lost in their backing Castle, they are throwing a tantrum and declaring they will not financially back the choice of the GOP voters in Delaware and are disseminating the most negative of attacks on the Party’s nominee. It is time to put a stop to this elitist paternalism and declare a boycott on donating to ANY structural GOP organization. At both national, state and county levels; the NRC, the NRSC, as well as the State and County GOP organizations. I would call for the Tea Parties to donate specifically and exclusively to those candidates- like O’Donnell, Miller, Rubio, and Angle- that the established powers had decided were not ‘suitable’.

I would ask the various Tea Parties to organize and announce this moratorium publicly and let the GOP elitists know that we consider them a major part of the problem and until they accept the new mandate they are getting from the field for principled candidates over the RINOs, our money and efforts will go elsewhere.

michaelo on September 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM

The GOP looks at O’Donnell’s numbers, and sees an insurmountable deficit. For all of your disparagement of their motives, wasting support on someone who is that unlikely to win would be an irresponsible use of donated money.

Count to 10 on September 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Wrong. This is not about careful allocation of resources because endorsement is free. Cornyn could have congratulated COD and said “she’s on the Republican ticket and of course we will endorse her.” Again that is FREE. Cornyn’s position makes it appear that he wants her to lose. How can that be?

slickwillie2001 on September 15, 2010 at 10:04 AM

An absolutely accurate analysis, Ed. Perfect. Thank you. I’ll be printing, framing and hanging this one on the wall to serve as an object lesson.

JimP on September 15, 2010 at 10:05 AM

Well, yeah. Please take a hint. :)

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Not wanting to hear hypocrisy displayed by the winning side is hard, I know, but you have to be made aware of it.

Instead of complaining about me, why not tell Democrat voters why they should vote for Christine? Becuase, as I’m sure you all realize, she’s going to need some crossover.

I’m sorry, I couldn’t tell if you meant I was suggesting it’s ok or if that was more rhetorical. Don’t mean to sound so churlish.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:56 AM

No, I didn’t think you thought it was OK (phew).

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 10:05 AM

Is the NRSC supporting joe miller?

blatantblue on September 15, 2010 at 10:05 AM

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