GOP moans about losing chance to take control of Senate with Castle defeat

posted at 8:48 am on September 15, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Last week, when trying to keep irrational exuberance in check about the likelihood of taking control of the House, Republicans warned that they might fall short of winning 39 seats in a 435-seat election.  Suddenly, in the wake of the rejection of Mike Castle by Delaware Republicans, party officials now want to say that Christine O’Donnell has ruined their chances of netting nine seats in a 35-seat election.  Politico’s Jonathan Martin reports on the supposed sad wreck of the grand design:

Christine O’Donnell’s surprise victory in the Delaware Senate GOP primary Tuesday left Republicans in conflict, senior party officials openly fretting that the Senate is now out of reach and Democrats overjoyed that the opposition has handed them a late and desperately needed chance to reframe the national argument about the 2010 elections.

Aside from the political implications of the upset, the outcome prompted a round of deep Republican soul-searching about what it said about their party when a political pillar in Delaware like Rep. Mike Castle, a respected lawmaker who was considered a shoo-in for the Senate seat, could not even come within six points of defeating the controversial and still largely unknown O’Donnell. …

In the wake of Tuesday’s results, a state that would have almost certainly been a pick-up for the GOP is now likely to stay with the Democrats, making it more difficult for Republicans to win the 10 seats necessary to take back control of the Senate.

“We were looking at 8 to 9 seats in the Senate, we are now looking at 7 to 8 in my opinion,” said a visibly-unhappy Karl Rove on Fox News after the race was called for O’Donnell Tuesday night. “This is not a race we’re going to be able to win.” …

“This makes the road much steeper for Republicans to win back the Senate because this was a seat they had counted on,” said former Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.), a former House campaign committee chairman.

Oh, please.  Politics relies in part on setting expectations.  That’s what Republicans tried doing last week when tamping down predictions of a wave of 60, 70, or even more House seats switching.  Now suddenly they’re distraught over the prospects of picking up nine seats in the Senate — when three months ago, a pickup of five or six seats would have been welcomed as a major gain and a way to ensure a Republican presence large enough to force Democrats to come to the table.

My advice to the GOP would be to quit whining about losing a long-shot bid to win control of the Senate and focus on actually winning the races.  In fact, the odds of winning control of the upper chamber didn’t actually decline all that much, because they were small to begin with.  Just a few days ago, John Cornyn told a reporter that Democrats would keep control of the Senate through 2012, when Democrats have to defend a lot more seats than the GOP.

The better question on which to focus is in Martin’s second paragraph.  What does Mike Castle’s crash and burn among Delaware Republicans say about their party organization?  After all, we have heard oodles of commentary about how Delaware Republicans are moderates who might get energized by the Tea Party but supposedly aren’t looking for conservative candidates.  Instead, they convinced Castle to leave a relatively safe House seat instead of looking for someone who hadn’t backed a government takeover of the energy sector in cap-and-trade (in a coal-dependent region!) and co-sponsored the DISCLOSE Act.  Perhaps had the GOP establishment listened a little more carefully to Delaware Republicans, who turned out relatively heavily in this election, they wouldn’t find themselves crying in their lattes this morning.

They stuck with a liberal, establishment candidate in a cycle where liberals and establishment figures are uniquely unpopular.  Had the Republican leadership been in touch with Delaware Republican voters, they might have found a more suitable candidate for the popular mood, and would not have had to deal with Christine O’Donnell and her outsider bid.  They have no one to blame but themselves.

Instead of pouting, Republican leaders in Delaware and around the country need to unite around the nominee, who was chosen by the Republicans in Delaware.  Had Castle won the nomination, they would have demanded unity themselves, and rightly so.   If they want to continue to issue snarky, anonymous asides and in essence take their ball and go home, don’t expect the electorate to follow them into battle in the future.  Rarely have I seen such childishness from the supposed leaders of a political establishment, who set the very rules and customs they now want to ignore because they just got embarrassed on a national stage.

Grow up, shut up, and get to work.

Update: Kevin McCullough agrees:

Mike Castle, if he is a man of loyalty to the party he wished to represent should hold fundraisers for O’Donnell beginning next week. Lisa Murkowski should follow suit in Alaska for Joel Miller. And Sue Bowden should be doing the same for Sharron Angle in Nevada.

In other words if “establishment” candidates are willing to give anything more than lip service to the party they wished to represent, then they should be willing to roll up their sleeves and do the hard work of campaigning for someone they disagree with on issues. And they should do so remembering they are in it for the greater good. …

We were told that in the end having a majority with an (R) after their name was the best thing of all.  Well, I see no reason why that statement can’t hold true when a genuine Republican conservative wins a primary.

Update II: Glenn Reynolds interviews Scott Rasmussen on the Tea Party and its impact on the GOP and the two-party system.  Maybe Republican leadership should pay close attention.


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The tea party supports RINOs now?

Huh.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:10 AM

The GOP needed the Tea party in the Mass & Jersey races. They LOVED the Tea Party then. But when the Tea Party needed the GOP in Delaware the got thrown an Anchor instead of a Life Vest.

So the Tea Party took a wrecking ball to the GOPs hierarchy.

portlandon on September 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM

O’Donnell is the Shot heard round the establishment.

Kinda the Repub equivalent of Scott Brown winning in Mass. Hope the Repubs catch the big clue better than the Dems did.

humdinger on September 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Oh my, I have thought the GOP closed minded idiots before but this Castle race takes the cake. They are in danger of 3 parties and it will not be good for anyone but the Dems who ought to be happier than pigs (real pigs) in slime (natural slime) today.
O’D may or may not be the perfect candidate, I don’t know or care, but the people voted against Castle. Overwhelmingly against Castle.
Figure it out you elites, your pedestal is shaking just like Odumbo’s.

ORconservative on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Count to 10 on September 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM

I welcome to True King’s purge list.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

the msm is sure lovin’ this infighting…they don’t have to focus on dear leader’s incompetence nor the dems failures…

cmsinaz on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Term limit effect always carries some danger. The guy has been a professional politician for 40 years. That’s too long even if he were a rockribbed conservative.

a capella on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

if Sharron /angle wins or if Mrs. O’Donnell wins, it will be because of what you call “establishment” Republican help.

i would like to keep this post & bring it out in about 2 years to see if possible Senators Angle & O’Donnell have stood up & fought for every conservative principle. i bet that by that time, these women would have met the definition of RINO

kelley in virginia on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Please go get some sleep. You are a normally intelligent commenter here. Now you have developed a monomania.. Stop,please!

katy the mean old lady on September 15, 2010 at 9:11 AM

This commenter revealed his/her real identity over the past 48 hours.. RINO at best; troll alert button is activated.

Keemo on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

So, I will support O’Donnell and hope for the best and if the GOP wants our support in the future, they need to do more than give lip service to supporting O’Donnell in this race. We would have expected all of the O’Donnell supporters to fall in line with Castle had he won, those of us who felt he was the best shot at winning this seat (even though not liking him or his positions), can hardly refuse to do the same.

Monkeytoe on September 15, 2010 at 9:11 AM

right.
and vice versa.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Kinda the Repub equivalent of Scott Brown winning in Mass. Hope the Repubs catch the big clue better than the Dems did.

humdinger on September 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Scott Brown was a RINO, though.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM

Castle doesn’t owe O’donnell shit. She gay baited him the entire time and got her fellow bigots out to vote for her. tThe GOP will rightly leave O’donnell to die on the vine. Not only would any support of her be a complete waste of money, it will just give even more credence to the argument the GOP has been taken over by extremist who want to outlaw masturbation.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM

why do these political elites ALWAYS make the point for us? what a joke…

that rumblin’ you feel is the political earthquake that is a rising american citizenship tired of your country club ways. GOOOH YA!

gatorboy on September 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM

Well, we either now earn a Majority in the Senate with the Jim DeMint wing firmly in charge – or we’ll get a Minority with the Jim DeMint wing in charge. The establishment completely imploded last night with their little hissy fit.

Now – Tea Party candidates can not only say they’re running against Democrats – but they can now say they’re running against the Republican establishment – which polls show that 75% of Americans have a less than favorable opinion of. This is gonna bring in more indies for the Tea Party candidates.

I hope the Tea Party hopefuls run on this platform – “We’re kicking the Dems AND the establishment Republicans out of their chairs!”

HondaV65 on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

wasting support on someone who is that unlikely to win would be an irresponsible use of donated money.

Count to 10 on September 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM

They could have made a formal endorsement. No money involved. Just an official “We back our winning Delaware Candidate”.

But no. Instead they do the “Oh yeah? Well, we’re taking our ball and going home” tantrum.

portlandon on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM

It is a mystery where you are coming from. Castle lost but you’re still fighting the last war. Nobody cares about the past. It is the present and we must fight for America’s future, either as a free republic or a European socialist state. You choose.

Now let’s start working for a GOP victory.

scrubjay on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

simkeith on September 15, 2010 at 9:11 AM

I don’t think it is about Rove being establishment. If it was, we would have him on record somewhere throwing fits about other people beating establishment candidates (Joe Miller being an example).

I honestly think this is just frustration about how BAD of a candidate O’Donnell is. People want to always lay it at the feet of the “establishment” argument. If it were about Rove just loving the establishment so much, every time a con pulls out an upset, he will be throwing a fit. Time will tell, and the past isn’t propping up the claim.

blatantblue on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Scott Brown was a RINO, though.
Good Lt

Scott Brown is a democrat using the criteria the Tea Party idiots applied to Castle.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

If O’Donnell loses, you can also thank the likes of Rove and all the other Castle types who have savaged this lady and have no shown no sign they’re going to stop.

Talk about bitter sore-losers.

John Doe on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

The GOP establishment built itself in the midst of an utterly hostile society dominated by progressives. They learned hard lessons about throwing bad money after good, and the agonizing choice between principles and winning a vital seat. Before going SCREW YOU RINO and ignoring their advice on an issue or candidate, try for once respectfully asking and finding out why they are making the choices they are making. You may agree or disagree with the conclusion, but try to figure out the logic behind it. That way, your dissent is informed, and you may be able to figure out a way to prevent the pitfalls the other guy was worried about while achieving your goals.

Sekhmet on September 15, 2010 at 9:09 AM

I’m all ears to hear from the GOP how picking McCain and losing all three branches of the government was ‘logical.’

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

The MSM knows full well what’s going on here with this so called infighting… It’s us/we who are just now realizing what’s going on.

Keemo on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.

technopeasant on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

I’d just caution the people high on this win right now that some of you are in danger of becoming that which you criticize.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:09 AM

After the election, you unite behind the nominee. That is true if the TEA Party wins, and it is true if the RINO wins.

That is a very different situation that telling a Congressional minority that they are going to be shut out of the legislative process. The legislative process is a negotiation, with a lot of possible nuances and shades of grey.

A general election, however, has only two colors – Red and Blue. You can’t pick purple. Which side are you on?

If you can’t support the Republican candidate in a general election, you’re not even a RINO anymore. You’re a Democrat, no matter what it says on your Voter Registration Card.

Haiku Guy on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Instead of pouting, Republican leaders in Delaware and around the country need to unite around the nominee, who was chosen by the Republicans in Delaware. Had Castle won the nomination, they would have demanded unity themselves, and rightly so. If they want to continue to issue snarky, anonymous asides and in essence take their ball and go home, don’t expect the electorate to follow them into battle in the future. Rarely have I seen such childishness from the supposed leaders of a political establishment, who set the very rules and customs they now want to ignore because they just got embarrassed on a national stage.

I saw it before in Wisconsin in 4 stages between 2002 and 2008 (and specifically on the US Senate side, 2004). The ending is not a pretty thing.

The national Republicans don’t have the luxury of being able to wait 8 years for the party leadership (or more-correctly, new party leadership) to get the message they can’t be a slightly-less-liberal version of the Democrats. Heck, they don’t even have 8 weeks anymore.

steveegg on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

if Sharron /angle wins or if Mrs. O’Donnell wins, it will be because of what you call “establishment” Republican help.

i would like to keep this post & bring it out in about 2 years to see if possible Senators Angle & O’Donnell have stood up & fought for every conservative principle. i bet that by that time, these women would have met the definition of RINO

kelley in virginia on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

kelley–you might be right. If they win, it’ll be attributed to the establishment help and Tea Party energy, if they lose, the Tea Party loses, natch, because that’s what the MSM wants to see. NBC so much as said so to COD’s face this morning.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Term limit effect always carries some danger. The guy has been a professional politician for 40 years. That’s too long even if he were a rockribbed conservative.

a capella on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

ding ding

blatantblue on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Nothing that hasn’t been said here before, but listening to people acting like she’s now some ‘savior of conservatism’ is a bit over the top when you look at her ‘record.’
Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 8:57 AM

Conversely, after hearing for days and days that everyone better accept an uber RINO because “we need to get a R in that seat” only to see those same people tuck tail and run after their guy gets blown out, is also a bit over the top.

The big picture, the long march, the war strategy, waa hoppen to it?

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Isn’t what’s being done to O’Donnell by the GOP establishment the same as (or worse than) was done to Sarah Palin by McCain campaign staffers two years ago?

Same shameful conduct. Same type of target. Why?

FlameWarrior on September 15, 2010 at 9:17 AM

I welcome to True King’s purge list.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

The funny thing is that I don’t actually care to much about the race — but the rhetoric flying around here is starting to push my buttons.

Count to 10 on September 15, 2010 at 9:18 AM

All I know is, Crist was leading Rubio for a while after basically losing in the same fashion and then pulling a party switch. He is now getting his butt whipped there. Takes a little time for these things to roll out. It seems the Delaware situation was a lesser of two evils. It has basically been explained that no matter what happened, we were going to get a democrat, be it a genuine one or one that called himself a republican and has supported the other side in the past. I am learning a lot these days, about the entrenched repubs. Seems like there is a power struggle in the party and the new blood is giving the old school fits. Rove is being a pompous ass. I hate sore losers (on the conservative side anyway) so I will donate to O donnel, even though, she comes across as being ill prepared for the job even if she did win.

CriticalUpdate on September 15, 2010 at 9:18 AM

Rarely have I seen such childishness from the supposed leaders of a political establishment, who set the very rules and customs they now want to ignore because they just got embarrassed on a national stage.

Grow up, shut up, and get to work.

Take the rose colored glasses off Ed. The Grand Old Party has behaved this way since the Days of Goldwater. The GOP took their ball and went home to vote for LBJ and bequeathed us the “Great Society.” And as a con I have heard nothing but shut up and support the nominee we give you ever since and some vague promises of doing better next time. Next time never came.

chemman on September 15, 2010 at 9:18 AM

If O’Donnell loses, you can also thank the likes of Rove and all the other Castle types who have savaged this lady and have no shown no sign they’re going to stop.
Talk about bitter sore-losers.
John Doe

Bull. O’donnell has made her own bed by being a lunatic, a bigot and a liar. Neither Rove nor the establishment caused that, she did.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:18 AM

kelley in virginia on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

McCain ’08 – how’s that working out for ya?

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM

Scott Brown is a democrat using the criteria the Tea Party idiots applied to Castle.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

I can’t disagree with the Brown reference, but idiots?…c’mon.

Scott Brown was a broadside to the Democrats. He was a target of opportunity that surged onto the landscape like the white stag on a deer hunt just happening along your path. Of course we were going to take it—what better way to bleed the democrats than by seizing “Teddy’s seat” from an establishment democrat. It was the first shot and it hit its mark.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM

Grow up, shut up, and get to work.

So, Ed, you going to put up the video of you branding this on AllahPundit? I’d pay money for that.

As for “Good Lt”, Scott Brown was the most conservative candidate available, and didn’t have a proven track record of “crossing the aisle”. He might not get my support next time if he keeps pulling his crap. Kind of like Bush: not a conservative, but the “least awful option”.

SDN on September 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM

Good Lt makes a good point.

How many of us calling Castle supporters “sore losers” and saying the losers ought to get on board with the winners spent the latter half of 2008 whining and wailing about “McShame” and “McLame” ad nauseum?

SlimyBill on September 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM

They simply cannot accept their loss and endorse O’Donnell — it’s not in their elitist DNA. This is precisely what constitutes an elitist. No better illustration could be provided. To not listen, to not care, to long to impose one’s will as opposed to respecting and conceding to the will of the voter: it’s a basic breakdown and corruption of public service

rrpjr on September 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM

I thought this message from a former Delawarean now living in Philadelphia was illuminative:

“In all the coverage I’ve been reading about O’Donnell’s defeat of Castle in Delaware, no one mentions the unmentionable dynamic of social class distinctions (especially when they play out in a state with fewer people than than most cities with NFL franchises).

Both parties in Delaware have been led by blue-blood patrician types for eons. That probably isn’t unusual in most states, but in a small state it plays out in a very interesting way. The big donors and loyalists of both parties are members of the same bar association, members of the same country clubs, do business together and send their kids to the same private schools. They live in the same neighborhoods, too. This co-mingling created a genteel centrist quality in Delaware politics that has not been challenged in any significant way, until now. All these folks live in Wilmington’s old money neighborhood and its upscale suburbs. The rural southern counties (long the base for conservative Democrats) never counted for much politically — except for producing a few powerful codgers in the legislature. Now, the only voters the state GOP has left in any concentration are the rural conservatives, yet the party blue-bloods have ignored them (the 2006 Senate nominee was so pathetically liberal, he was to the left of the Dem — Tom Carper).

O’Donnell didn’t only beat the state party, she absolutely buried it. Without Castle, the state GOP has only one state office holder (the Auditor for life, who nobody doesn’t like). The state GOP, to have any future, will (finally!) have to be totally remade, in the image of middle class and rural voters who want a choice — not an echo. But this is work that should have started 14 years ago.”

Insight from Geraghty’s blog.

Wethal on September 15, 2010 at 9:20 AM

How many of us calling Castle supporters “sore losers” and saying the losers ought to get on board with the winners spent the latter half of 2008 whining and wailing about “McShame” and “McLame” ad nauseum?

SlimyBill on September 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM

oh snap!

blatantblue on September 15, 2010 at 9:20 AM

People are still fighting, the GOP is whining and Castle is a sore loser … but isn’t this a good thing?

Isn’t this what the founders envisioned as our political process? That’s why they included free speech in the Bill of Rights … to protect political speech because they knew the people must have their voice protected from those who attempt to rule.

Politics is wild and dirty. Things need to be stirred up and that’s what’s happening. This is a good thing and a healthy thing.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:20 AM

Scott Brown was a RINO, though.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM

And in the New Jersey Governor’s race last year, Chris Christie was the centrist candidate in the primary. In the primary, this Tea Partier was a Steve Lonagan supporter, all the way. But Christie won the primary, and I got behind Christie.

And then Christie kicked Jon Corzines sorry butt, which was a beautiful sight to behold. Would I have rather it been Lonagan kicking Corzine’s butt? Of course I would, but that was not an option. Christie won the nomination, so a heck of a lot of Tea Partiers worked to make sure Christie won the general election. That’s the way it works.

Haiku Guy on September 15, 2010 at 9:21 AM

One of the problems with “outsider” candidates versus establishment candidates is that sometimes we rally around an unknown “outsider” candidate and too late learn of serious flaws and/or skeletons. Because the person has not been in the public eye, and often their rise from obscurity to prominence is rapid and emotionally charged, there is no vetting of the person’s backbround, etc.

that doesn’t mean that the message the person is embracing is wrong or can’t win – but it sometimes means that as the opposition does its digging it finds things that make the candidate unelectable to independents and leaners.

My fear with O’Donnell was that based on stuff we had already seen, there is more to come that will keep her from being electable. However, it is too late for those fears – she won the primary and it is time to support her. She certainly cannot be any worse than Castle would have been even if my worse fears about her come true and she has a positive upside if she does in fact believe the message she has been promoting.

Bad sportsmanship by Castle and the GOP will simply reinforce people’s belief that the GOP cares nothing for the base, is not really interested in pursuing conservatism, and is all about insider status and power. I sincerely hope that they are actually learning lessons this year.

Monkeytoe on September 15, 2010 at 9:21 AM

The GOP needed the Tea party in the Mass & Jersey races. They LOVED the Tea Party then. But when the Tea Party needed the GOP in Delaware the got thrown an Anchor instead of a Life Vest.

Huh? The Tea Party Express won this girl the nomination, coupled with talk radio jihad vs. Castle and a Palinbomb.

Why did Brown and Christie need the TP? You’re making my point – both are RINOS, but the TP still backed them anyway because they had a great shot to win. That’s not the case in DE.

So the Tea Party took a wrecking ball to the GOPs hierarchy.

portlandon on September 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Don’t cry that they’re not supporting you, then. You don’t want their support. You can do this on your own and don’t need them.

Right?

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Scott Brown was a RINO, though.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM

Mass Race + Tea party = Senator Scott Brown

Mass Race – Tea party = Senator Martha Coakley

Simple explanation. But don’t let it stop you from twisting logic in order to defend the GOP.

portlandon on September 15, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Rarely have I seen such childishness from the supposed leaders of a political establishment, who set the very rules and customs they now want to ignore because they just got embarrassed on a national stage.

Grow up, shut up, and get to work.

*insert AP’s Castle Bravo pic here*

I wholeheartedly concur!

KinleyArdal on September 15, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Term limit effect always carries some danger. The guy has been a professional politician for 40 years. That’s too long even if he were a rockribbed conservative.

a capella on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

I agree. The pace of things in politics are such that, before long, you will ultimately be forced to take a position that you really don’t want to take because, although it may help you in the short run, it harms you in the long run. Good case for term limits because all politicians will eventually hypocrite themselves out of necessity, expedience, self-interest, or other perceived gain. Better to do it via term limits than before they have to be humiliated in an electoral fashion—like Castle.

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

This isn’t Iran dammit and it’s time for us to send a message to these tired old Ayatollahs.

JOHN CORNYN NEEDS TO RESIGN FROM THE NRSC IMMEDIATELY!

HondaV65 on September 15, 2010 at 9:08 AM

The thing is, I think O’Donnell is kind of a flake — she doesn’t seem quite right, and I think Castle, with a more conservative Senate, would tack right. But she won. Is the GOP more interested in taking back the Senate, and Congress, which involves investing dollars everywhere; or is the GOP more interested in David Brooks clones.

Voters — the body politic — is fed up with both parties. Whichever one realizes that first gets the advantage.

rbj on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

The Republican Party Elitists had better get their act together. They remind me of those who laughed at people using the early Mobile Phones. If the party does not learn to adapt and move foreword and listen to the people, 2010, 2012 and maybe 2016 can be written off now.
Political ideas change, an idea is not a stagnant vessel. For the Elitists that refuse to change, there are two outcomes you can look forward to; one is a generation of Liberalism. The other is forcing the Republican Party to split and create a third Party. A third Party will not serve one Republican well and will ensure continued success for the Liberals. There are plenty of Liberals out there now stoking the flames in the Republican Party if the Party cannot unify everyone may as well pack up and go home.
Unifying does not mean to concede to the Tea Party, Unification as I see it is to support all of the Republican Candidates that win their Party’s Primary. Those that won were put there by the people. If you want to alienate your base, ignore them. If not, get behind them and get them elected.

Guest1.1 on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Before going SCREW YOU RINO and ignoring their advice on an issue or candidate, try for once respectfully asking and finding out why they are making the choices they are making.

Come on man, this is the party that ran a retread like McCain in a year when the conservatives needed to be energized. I held my nose and voted for the guy but I wanted to puke afterward, the only thing that kept him from suffering a Mondale-like defeat was Sarah Palin.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Instead of pouting, Republican leaders in Delaware and around the country need to unite around the nominee, who was chosen by the Republicans in Delaware.

First they would have to face their shame and they’re incapable of doing that. Better to dig your heals in and work overtime to make sure she will lose and lose big just like you said it would to validate whatever skin you have left in the game.

RepubChica on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

portlandon on September 15, 2010 at 9:21 AM

+41

ted c on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Would I have rather it been Lonagan kicking Corzine’s butt? Of course I would, but that was not an option

OK.

And until yesterday, Castle kicking an Obamacrat’s butt in Nov. (which won’t happen now) is different from this scenario…how?

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

This commenter revealed his/her real identity over the past 48 hours.. RINO at best; troll alert button is activated.

Keemo on September 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM

That is an overreaction to what, at worst, is an expression of sound tactical thinking, and may well be misgivings that O’Donnell is just playing everyone for a fool by saying what she thinks they want to hear.

Count to 10 on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

The GOP may not win these elctions…….The TEA Party WILL!
RINO season is ON!!!

Rick554 on September 15, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Don’t cry that they’re not supporting you, then. You don’t want their support. You can do this on your own and don’t need them.

Right?

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:21 AM

No tears here, private. It seems that you are the only one displaying tears because you chose a hill to die on that wasn’t worth anything.

But keep charging that hill. You can do it.

portlandon on September 15, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Mass Race + Tea party = Senator Scott Brown

Mass Race – Tea party = Senator Martha Coakley

Simple explanation. But don’t let it stop you from twisting logic in order to defend the GOP.

portlandon on September 15, 2010 at 9:21 AM

So the Tea Party DOES support RINOs, doesn’t it?

Somebody tell Mike Castle, then.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Instead of pouting, Republican leaders in Delaware and around the country need to unite around the nominee…

Too bad we couldn’t remember this when McCain was running against The One.

JetBoy on September 15, 2010 at 9:23 AM

we have TEA party people in my own Congressional district (VA5) who will not unite around our party’s nominee (Robert Hurt) even after he won the primary. Our freshman Pelosi-enabler Congressman won in ’08 by 727 votes, for heaven’s sake! Republicans, conservatives, TEA partiers, kindergarteners–any of us should be able to take this Dem out (especially since he voted for Obamacare, Stimulus & cap ‘n trade).

when you demand only purity, you will wait a long time. and you will lose alot of races

kelley in virginia on September 15, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Nothing that hasn’t been said here before, but listening to people acting like she’s now some ‘savior of conservatism’ is a bit over the top when you look at her ‘record.’
Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 8:57 AM

A savior she is not, but Castle was as close to a Leftist as a Republican could be and not get kicked from the party.

*facepalm*

Then I remember the Scozzafava debacle, and I have to bite my tongue.

KinleyArdal on September 15, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Even if Castle won, it would not be a victory. This guy was a yes vote on everything Obama.

For once, let his supporters hold their nose and vote for a conservative. We conservatives are tired of holding our nose and voting for the likes of McCain and Dole and all the rest.

jeffn21 on September 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

What an amazing thread.

Proof positive that:

1) Everyone including Rush was right all along about the elitest Club members in the Repulican Party and their total disdain for the working class Republican “Tea Partier”.

2) Again, the absolute anger demonstrated by the Elitests, including Karl Rove and the people who just want to regain power without listening to the peeps last night. (I really wanted to grab Karl and give him a good smack).

3) It ain’t over till it’s over. I don’t care how flawed O’Donnell is, now I’m gonna send her money ’cause the establishment has just REALLY PISSED ME OFF with their attitude.

4) I thought we were the party of Adults. Maybe the half that backed Christine, but the current establishment is acting way to0 much like spoiled 13 year olds.

Scoreboard44 on September 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

SlimyBill on September 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM

Actually I don’t think that’s a good or accurate point. Everyone I knew who didn’t like McCain still got behind him in late 2008 and voted for him, even while holding their noses. The true rise of anti-McCain sentiment occurred after the election, when the extent of his poor and squeamish and foolish campaign became clear.

rrpjr on September 15, 2010 at 9:26 AM

Good Lt makes a good point.

How many of us calling Castle supporters “sore losers” and saying the losers ought to get on board with the winners spent the latter half of 2008 whining and wailing about “McShame” and “McLame” ad nauseum?

SlimyBill on September 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM

And they were rightly derided by the vast majority of people on this and other sites, and told to put on their big boy pants and get to work.

Anybody who did not support McCain in 2008 should be ashamed of himself. Anybody who sits out the races in 2010 because he doesn’t like the Tea Party should also be ashamed of himself.

Haiku Guy on September 15, 2010 at 9:26 AM

And until yesterday, Castle kicking an Obamacrat’s butt in Nov. (which won’t happen now) is different from this scenario…how?

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

She won’t win if you and others like you don’t get over it and get on the band wagon. I know it’s tough but c’mon.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:26 AM

Look – there’s a LIBERTY MOVEMENT going on here. The establishment always said we don’t need “term limit” legislation because the people are free to vote out the establishment any time they please.

Well – apparently not – if you take the childish reaction of the establishment to last night’s result into account.

Anyway – we’re putting “citizen legislators” back into the game here and getting away from career politicians. That means our candidates aren’t going to have the polish of the establishment. Some will have warts – some won’t be very good speakers – but they’ll be solidly for the people.

We saw last night that the Ayatollahs are willing to ignore an election result for the sake of keeping their own power.

But the problem is – this isn’t Iran and they are running out of time.

HondaV65 on September 15, 2010 at 9:26 AM

Nothing that hasn’t been said here before, but listening to people acting like she’s now some ‘savior of conservatism’ is a bit over the top when you look at her ‘record.’
Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 8:57 AM

Conversely, after hearing for days and days that everyone better accept an uber RINO because “we need to get a R in that seat” only to see those same people tuck tail and run after their guy gets blown out, is also a bit over the top.

The big picture, the long march, the war strategy, waa hoppen to it?

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Yeah Bish, some people don’t have the sand for a prolonged, difficult conflict. They expect it to be easy. If they find the going tough, they fold up and quit – sorta like the milquetoast Castle, and unlike the tough scrapper O’Donnell.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM

Mike Castle, if he is a man of loyalty to the party he wished to represent should hold fundraisers for O’Donnell beginning next week.

I’d say Castle should listen to the people (who apparently consist of 30 or so thousand Delaware Republicans) and adopt their “burn the country to save it strategy” and endorse Coons. These O’Donnell threads have taught me that
we need more pain to bring about the glorious conservative resurrection and that means more marxists running things. I hope he gives the tea party and far right what they want and helps bring on the pain.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM

So the Tea Party DOES support RINOs, doesn’t it?

Somebody tell Mike Castle, then.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:23 AM

I know why you FAIL. Because you keep thinking Mike Castle was a RINO.

Mike Castle is worse than a RINO. He was the third Maine Sister. Just a Democrat with an R next to his name.

Now you can go back to charging that hill. Blow your trumpet, its fun to watch.

portlandon on September 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM

The GOP establishment built itself in the midst of an utterly hostile society dominated by progressives. They learned hard lessons about throwing bad money after good, and the agonizing choice between principles and winning a vital seat. Before going SCREW YOU RINO and ignoring their advice on an issue or candidate, try for once respectfully asking and finding out why they are making the choices they are making. You may agree or disagree with the conclusion, but try to figure out the logic behind it. That way, your dissent is informed, and you may be able to figure out a way to prevent the pitfalls the other guy was worried about while achieving your goals.

Sekhmet on September 15, 2010 at 9:09 AM

While I can agree with this to some extent (and I supported Castle over O’Donnell), can’t it also be true that becaue teh state GOP felt it had to move leftward to be electable, it became dominated by liberal republicans and moved too far left – and entirely gave up all conservative principals? Isn’t it entirely possible that candidates somewhere between Castle (52% voting w/ GOP) and DeMint would be electable in DE? That, I believe, was a big part of the problem in this race – particularly in the atsmosphere this year.

Monkeytoe on September 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM

I can’t disagree with the Brown reference, but idiots?…c’mon.
Scott Brown was a broadside to the Democrats. He was a target of opportunity that surged onto the landscape like the white stag on a deer hunt just happening along your path. Of course we were going to take it—what better way to bleed the democrats than by seizing “Teddy’s seat” from an establishment democrat. It was the first shot and it hit its mark.
ted c

What better way to stick it to the dems by making a slam dunk win of the current Senate leaders seat? But wait couldn’t do that.
My point still applies, Scott Brown is a career politician. He’s been in politics half his life. Hell add 20 more years to Scott Browns age and constant political wins and he would be in politics as long as Castle.
Yes they are idiots. Because at the beginning the Tea Party was about fiscal conservativeness. But over time they’re added more and more to their stringent litmus test to the point that early Tea Party favorites like Brown and Christie wouldn’t get their support and most likely won’t get their help in their re-election bids. “Brown voted for Financial reform, he has to go”, “Christie keeps enforcing NJ’s strict gun laws, he has to go”.
In the end all that will be left is an uber elitist, bigoted Tea Party (not allowed to be nice to gays either) establishment that will never win control of anything.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM

What do we know of Coons past? And who is asking those questions now? Why are we knee-capping ourselves now with inane comments that only discourage GOP turn out in November? Do we want to rescue the country or what?

Grow up, for Pete’s Sake.

The Ruling Class (TM) may not like O’Donnell, and will spend their resources elsewhere, but that doesn’t stop us from helping her directly, both financially and personally. She is going to need all of the support she can get, and Castle & Co. would be wise to provide it.

Delaware Tea Party folk, it is time to put your money and your energy where your passion lies. And by the way, you can count on this Oklahoma Conservative to help you get this woman across the finish line. There is no such thing as a throwaway race. Coons is the real loon, and we need to show the voters why it is far better to send O’Donnell to the Senate instead.

itzWicks on September 15, 2010 at 9:28 AM

Good Lt, quit sobbing. The establishment lost. If you want the majority, work for it. Otherwise, sit down and shut up.

Blarg the Destroyer on September 15, 2010 at 9:28 AM

Bull. O’donnell has made her own bed by being a lunatic, a bigot and a liar. Neither Rove nor the establishment caused that, she did.
Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:18 AM

And the voters of Delaware chose her, legally, fair and square in an open democratic process. You don’t have to like the results but there they are.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 9:28 AM

O’Donnell can’t win….O’Donnell can’t win. Oh wait, that was what they were saying yesterday. A vote for Castle was a vote for progressives. Those days are over. Demorats and republicans are yesterdays trash. Conservatives and progressives are the new labels. The politicians just don’t get it.

volsense on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

A savior she is not, but Castle was as close to a Leftist as a Republican could be and not get kicked from the party.

Yes, Castle was a worm.

But that worm would have gotten a Senate seat and all of the benefits for the entire party that go with it in a majority (including the conservatives, some of whom would have ended up running committees, etc.).

People seem to take my support for Castle as ideological. It’s not. It’s political strategy.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

She won’t win if you and others like you don’t get over it and get on the band wagon. I know it’s tough but c’mon.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:26 AM

Good Lt SAID he was all about a GOP majority – and he expected US to hold our nose and support a treasonous RINO to get it.

Now that he’s lost – he’s unwilling to get behind the GOP nominee for the sake of a GOP majority.

Hypocrite – the very definition. Do as I say not as I do!

HondaV65 on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

Good Lt, quit sobbing. The establishment lost. If you want the majority, work for it. Otherwise, sit down and shut up.

Blarg the Destroyer on September 15, 2010 at 9:28 AM

I WON.

Thanks, Obama.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

So the Tea Party DOES support RINOs, doesn’t it?

Somebody tell Mike Castle, then.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Here you go.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

People seem to take my support for Castle as ideological. It’s not. It’s political strategy.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

If that’s true – then you’ll get behind the GOP nominee now since your strategery failed.

HondaV65 on September 15, 2010 at 9:30 AM

And until yesterday, Castle kicking an Obamacrat’s butt in Nov. (which won’t happen now) is different from this scenario…how?

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

The answer is in the question: Until Yesterday

Castle is not the nominee. O’Donnell is the nominee. Now quitcher bitchen and get behind the nominee. I did it for Christie, you can do it for O’Donnell.

Haiku Guy on September 15, 2010 at 9:30 AM

The GOP disgusts me! They all need to be cleaned out from Michael Steele right on down!!! Get rid of this bunch of whining losers who wouldn’t know how to run a campaign if it hit them in the face. The fact that O’Donnell won and put a whoppin’ on Castle just proves my point!!!

flytier on September 15, 2010 at 9:30 AM

the nrsc is expert on money wasting NY23??

Castle doesn’t owe O’donnell shit. She gay baited him the entire time and got her fellow bigots out to vote for her. tThe GOP will rightly leave O’donnell to die on the vine. Not only would any support of her be a complete waste of money, it will just give even more credence to the argument the GOP has been taken over by extremist who want to outlaw masturbation.

Zaggs on September 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM
The morons at nrsc have POed National donors in all states and that is the real issue. Sore losers loose.

Col.John Wm. Reed on September 15, 2010 at 9:30 AM

Count to 10 on September 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

I’ve been reading posts made by this commenter over the past 48 hours; I stand by my take… RINO at best…

Keemo on September 15, 2010 at 9:30 AM

their chances of netting nine seats

Not only is the national GOP stupid, they can’t count. The current GOP tally in the Senate stands at 41. To reclaim a majority in the Senate would require 51 votes, meaning a net of 10 seats would be needed. Maybe the GOP has forgotten who the tie-breaking vote in the Senate belongs to, that little Democrat vice-president guy.

If Crist, Murkoswki and Castle had won their primaries, all of the Tea Party candidates would likely have supported them. Instead we’re now treated to the moderate, establishment backed candidates such as Crist, Murkowski and Castle acting like sore losers. This makes me curious as to why anyone would actually ever send money to the NSRC.

Physics Geek on September 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM

My concern with O’Donnell remains she’s going to end up playing defense for most of the eight week campaign against Coons, because of her past baggage and the fact that the state media and the big media from out-of-state are going to obsess about it, while ignoring any of Coons’ flaws.

That said, if you’re the NRSC or a high-profile talking head like Karl Rove, you can rant all you want in private. But to immediately go on TV and start pouting or saying you’re not even going to try and see if O’Donnell is going to be able to make a dent in Coons’ poll lead before cutting her off without a cent is self-defeating, since throwing a public tantrum is not going to make the people who voted for her (or Miller in Alaska, or even J.D. Hayworth in Arizona) go away.

Just because you’re probably not going to get your majority positions back in the Senate in 2010 is no reason to whine and act like there’s no 2012 election coming right behind it, with a bunch of Democratic senators up for re-election. To push away your voters because you just want them to shut up and let you do things your way, instead of trying to understand why they did what they did means you’re probably going to make some of the same 2010 mistakes two years from now, when the stakes are much higher at the national level.

jon1979 on September 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM

after this past year watching Bambi & the Congress, I will probably never, ever vote for another Democrat (I haven’t voted for a Democrat in 25 years).

so yes, to vote against a Dem, I would probably vote for a TEA partier provided they didn’t have a felony record.

but will a TEA partier be any different once they realize they have to raise $100,000/mo for their re-election coffers or for their caucus obligations? will they have to trade away certain ideals to keep precious legislation alive? remember that Ron Paul is a party of one, even though he caucuses with the GOP

kelley in virginia on September 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM

So Castle won’t even back O’Donnell!! I am sure she would have supported him had he won. If the Reps want that seat, then tell Castle to support the REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE!!!!

This reminds me of Christie who claimed to be a Conservative until he lost, then suddenly he sounds like Obama on every issue! When these so-called Republicans lose the primary they show that in essence they were never Republicans to begin with, basically just Democratic Plants, for lack of a better term.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/118847-castle-will-not-back-odonnell

jeffn21 on September 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM

This reminds me of the special election in NY 23. The conservative Hoffman(?) lost, but in the general we won’t have an incumbent RINO for the next ten election cycles. We are likely to have an incumbent conservative after the next general.

Whether we win the general in Delaware or not, we are likely to have a viable conservative element in the Delaware Republican Party at the next senatorial election.

burt on September 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM

Yes, Castle was a worm.

But that worm would have gotten a Senate seat and all of the benefits for the entire party that go with it in a majority (including the conservatives, some of whom would have ended up running committees, etc.).

People seem to take my support for Castle as ideological. It’s not. It’s political strategy.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

Including giving the Democrats bipartisan cover every time he votes for amnesty, abortion, gun laws, and Cap and Trade.

We don’t need more people like that.

The voters chose their candidate.

Welcome to the representative republic. It’s not for you, apparently.

fossten on September 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM

Two words (and I LOVE the sound of them):

YOU’RE FIRED! :)

golfmann on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

She won’t win if you and others like you don’t get over it and get on the band wagon. I know it’s tough but c’mon.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:26 AM

After the behavior and comments of O’Donnell supporters I’d be seriously considering voting for Coons if I lived in Delaware. I probably just wouldn’t vote for senator, but as above O’Donnell supporters were very clear they’d rather have Coons than Castle. I would have tried to stop their wish at the primary level but hey, I’d be joining them by helping them fulfill their wish.

Elections have consequences.

jarodea on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

It’s over. Let’s start looking at Coons. This guy is not the ideal candidate for Delaware. O’Donnell can win.

darwin on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Update: Kevin McCullough agrees:

What he said. Exactly what he said.

dczombie on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Rarely have I seen such childishness from the supposed leaders of a political establishment,

“Supposed” being the operant word, there.

For decades, I was told to vote for the person with an (R) behind their name because it was better than voting for someone with a (D) behind their name. Don’t worry about how “moderate” the R’s views or voting record was. That “moderate” R could WIN! Until Governor Reagan decided to run for president in 1980. These whiny jackasses in the Republican establishment need to put their Country ahead of their personal feelings and get serious about taking this Nation back to being a Constitutionally governed, Representative Republic. If they can’t show enough maturity to do that, then we really are doomed to become a third world cesspit, the types Leftists desire us to be.

oldleprechaun on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

The seat is now a guaranteed Dem pickup. At least with Castle, you would have had a vote for Senate Majority Leader McConnell. 51 seats would have prevented another Elena Kagan from even getting out of the judiciary committee.

But hey, at least you have a RINO scalp and a self-professed “bearded Marxist” to keep the Dems ruling the chamber. So congrats, I guess.

crushliberalism on September 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Yes they are idiots. Because at the beginning the Tea Party was about fiscal conservativeness. But over time they’re added more and more to their stringent litmus test

No kidding? Is there an address I can write to for more information, maybe a central website, a figurehead to rally around? Because it seems to me the Tea Party is still a disparate collection of people all over the nation who have slightly different views here and there.

If you don’t like the TPE, fine, but don’t go branding everyone who attends a TP rally in America an idiot.

Bishop on September 15, 2010 at 9:33 AM

I don’t think it is about Rove being establishment. If it was, we would have him on record somewhere throwing fits about other people beating establishment candidates (Joe Miller being an example).

I honestly think this is just frustration about how BAD of a candidate O’Donnell is. People want to always lay it at the feet of the “establishment” argument. If it were about Rove just loving the establishment so much, every time a con pulls out an upset, he will be throwing a fit. Time will tell, and the past isn’t propping up the claim.

blatantblue on September 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

I couldn’t have said it better myself. If Rove is saying that she’s a bad candidate, it’s because she’s a bad candidate. It’s not about her platform, and it doesn’t mean she can’t win. It’s just that in her case, she’s lugging a lot of unnecessary baggage that could reflect badly on the Republican brand.

RBMN on September 15, 2010 at 9:33 AM

People seem to take my support for Castle as ideological. It’s not. It’s political strategy.

Good Lt on September 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

Okay.

Than you will Support O’Donnell now that is has won the seat Fair & Square, right?

O’Donnell or Coons?

portlandon on September 15, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Good on the NRSC.

1) The DSCC is now free to spend more in OH, PA, CA, IL. The NRSC will need to be able to match it.

2) O’Donnell wanted her little anti-Establishment, true conservative revolution, she shouldn’t complain when they don’t agree to pay her rent and electric bills for the next few months fund her.

It's Vintage, Duh on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Col.John Wm. Reed on September 15, 2010 at 9:30 AM

Thats it in a nutshell. I will never send another penny to the NRC or the NRSC. My money will go straight to the candidate.

Guest1.1 on September 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM

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