Justice Breyer: No right to burn Korans in First Amendment?
posted at 12:55 pm on September 14, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
I’m not sure which is more unsettling — the fact that a Supreme Court justice can get the First Amendment so wrong, or that it is so unclear that George Stephanopoulos thought to ask the question. Until now, I perhaps naïvely thought that everyone understood that the provocateurial pastor in Florida had the right to burn Korans, or any other book he legitimately owned, but that it was a really bad idea for many reasons, most of which Allahpundit argued in his excellent posts on the subject. Silly me:
Last week we saw a Florida Pastor – with 30 members in his church – threaten to burn Korans which lead to riots and killings in Afghanistan. We also saw Democrats and Republicans alike assume that Pastor Jones had a Constitutional right to burn those Korans. But Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer told me on “GMA” that he’s not prepared to conclude that — in the internet age — the First Amendment condones Koran burning.
“Holmes said it doesn’t mean you can shout ‘fire’ in a crowded theater,” Breyer told me. “Well, what is it? Why? Because people will be trampled to death. And what is the crowded theater today? What is the being trampled to death?” …
“It will be answered over time in a series of cases which force people to think carefully. That’s the virtue of cases,” Breyer told me. “And not just cases. Cases produce briefs, briefs produce thought. Arguments are made. The judges sit back and think. And most importantly, when they decide, they have to write an opinion, and that opinion has to be based on reason. It isn’t a fake.”
Hopefully, they put more thought into it than Justice Breyer does in this argument. The “fire in a crowded theater” standard is intended to limit government intrusion on free speech, not enable an expansion of it. It means that only when speech that will directly and immediately result in a threat to human life in the proximate setting can the government criminalize it — and it has to contain the element of malicious falsehood as well. After all, no one will prosecute a person who yells “Fire!” in a crowded theater when it’s really on fire, or when the person yelling honestly believes it to be so.
Otherwise, Breyer’s argument would put government in charge of judging the qualitative value of all speech. Would speech urging an invasion of Pakistan be therefore criminalized, too? After all, it might cause Pakistanis somewhere to riot and people to die, even if the argument is largely discredited in contemporary American politics.
Furthermore, the Supreme Court has already ruled on burnings as free speech. In both Texas v Johnson and US v Eichman, the court ruled that free speech trumped any offense and/or concerns about public safety raised by burning the American flag. In Johnson, the court spoke directly to this issue:
The State’s position … amounts to a claim that an audience that takes serious offense at particular expression is necessarily likely to disturb the peace and that the expression may be prohibited on this basis. Our precedents do not countenance such a presumption. On the contrary, they recognize that a principal “function of free speech under our system of government is to invite dispute. It may indeed best serve its high purpose when it induces a condition of unrest, creates dissatisfaction with conditions as they are, or … even stirs people to anger.”
Now, perhaps Breyer foresees a reversal of Johnson and Eichman, but that doesn’t appear to be where he’s leading. Instead, Breyer seems to want to put the Koran in a separate class for purposes of protest, a dangerous direction that flies in the other First Amendment restriction, the establishment clause regarding religion.
Put simply, Breyer couldn’t have possibly been more wrong in this answer, and one has to wonder just what kind of standard Breyer will apply to future cases of free speech.
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First amendment is the second amendment to be torn to shreds by the most transparent admin evah!
ConcealedKerry on May 21, 2013 at 9:24 PM
Oh and First!
ConcealedKerry on May 21, 2013 at 9:25 PM
I hope Rush Limbaugh has beefed up his security and perimeter around the Southern command. Barack just loves to mention him by name.
SouthernGent on May 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM
This is NOT a pattern. It’s mere happenstance./
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM
Yes the IRS should be in charge of Obamacare and the Rats and Rinos should legalize some more illegals since a couple of Visa over stayers bombed Boston and this administration has been fast and furiously releasing criminal aliens!
ConcealedKerry on May 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM
Valerie Jarrett is Keyser Soze. Payback.
can_con on May 21, 2013 at 9:31 PM
This is so creepy.
This is also why you get pre-paid cell phones.
gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM
Scared yet?
petefrt on May 21, 2013 at 9:36 PM
Does it bother anyone that this administration has reserved for itself the right to determine in which instances they may drone kill US citizens without trial?
ConcealedKerry on May 21, 2013 at 9:36 PM
Love how KP just has to throw in the BUsh horse#hit…
You go girl.
BigWyo on May 21, 2013 at 9:36 PM
Thank u bret baier, one of very few in media i trust.
hillsoftx on May 21, 2013 at 9:38 PM
Evening!!!
Creepy is the right word gg. I read a lot of political/espionage/murder novels. This fits right in.
CoffeeLover on May 21, 2013 at 9:38 PM
I was thinking the same thing. This would make one heck of a book.
gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 9:41 PM
lol GG except sadly it is real life and I can’t believe anyone wishing to work with the U.S. is going to do it anytime soon. Dangerous.
And, you can be sure that Kathryn Bigelow isn’t going to make a movie about this anytime soon.
CoffeeLover on May 21, 2013 at 9:45 PM
“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it’s enemy action.”
Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 9:46 PM
LOL
BoxHead1 on May 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM
Exactly the way I call it.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM
How many times have we seen this movie? And we’re still shocked at how it always unfolds?
When you’re the smartest guy in the room, and you’re so dead certain that your vision is the only one any decent person could possibly have, there is no limit to what you can justify doing. Or more to the point, no limit to what you WILL justify doing.
And with the adoring masses cheering you on, there is no level of depravity you won’t go beyond, all the while piously telling yourself that it’a all for “the greater good”!
Lew on May 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM
At least we seem to finally have bipartisan outrage about this intrusion. This president and his administration are incorrigible. And they could care less. Dying to know what the West Wing pow wow with the lefty bloggers was about. Oh to be a fly on the wall.
scalleywag on May 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM
Never trust a liberal.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:54 PM
And some of you just thought he was giving a speech…
It’s ‘paradise’ isn’t it…”
Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM
MeanWhile……….
IRS flagged conservative political groups Ex-Cincinnati IRS official doubts agency’s explanation for Tea Party scandal – @NBCNews
Submitted 37 mins ago
from openchannel.nbcnews.com by editor
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/21/18404474-ex-cincy-irs-official-doubts-agencys-explanation-for-tea-party-scandal?lite
canopfor on May 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM
Luther Stickell: Reach your folks?
[Ethan nods]
Luther Stickell: How do they feel?
Ethan Hunt: About what?
Luther Stickell: The apology from the Justice Department, VIP treatment. You know, the whole nine yards.
Ethan Hunt: Well, my mom was a little confused how the DEA could mistake her and Uncle Donald for a couple of dope smugglers in the Florida Keys.
Ben Hur on May 21, 2013 at 9:57 PM
So,I ponder,
who’s next on the Scruteneers Scrutenizers List,
Conservative Blogs
RightSphere Watch Groups
Consevative/Libertarian Bloggers
There Families,and all associates,
their E-Mails and Twitters!!
canopfor on May 21, 2013 at 10:01 PM
So, between all of this nonsense and now the visibility that our Senate is proceeding at high rates of speed to get amnesty passed…
SMOD, please land on Washington DC.
Absent that… well, apparently this is going to have to get really ugly before there’s hope of it getting any better.
Midas on May 21, 2013 at 10:01 PM
Just watch the Ezra Klein pieces for the next week or two – you’ll know exactly what it was about.
Midas on May 21, 2013 at 10:03 PM
It’s ‘paradise’ isn’t it…”
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. (Applause.) Thank you, everybody. (Laughter.) How do you like my new entrance music? (Applause.) Rush Limbaugh warned you about this — second term, baby. (Laughter and applause.) We’re changing things around here a little bit. (Laughter.)
Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM
Seven Percent Solution:Good catch 7%,
and ya,a Utopian NeverLand,and maybe,FLOTUS could arrange for
another trip tp Spain!:)
canopfor on May 21, 2013 at 10:06 PM
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! How dumb do you have to be to go after the media…and lose one of the biggest things that prop you up daily?
dont taze me bro on May 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM
“PROTECT US AT ALL COST!”
Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM
tom daschle concerned on May 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM
The classic tale of how one’s extreme arrogance leads to their eventual downfall. Sometimes it’s swift, sometimes it’s gradual, but it’s always a certainty. And it always involves those who believe firmly in their heart that they will defy the odds.
From the days of Ancient Greece, the fate is always the same,
Myron Falwell on May 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM
Nice parents you have there, children too.
VorDaj on May 21, 2013 at 10:08 PM
Lol. Bret is definitely not part of the “media”. He is a partisan hack pretending to be independent. I am yet to see him allow anyone in support of Obama complete a sentence.
HotAirLib on May 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM
Not this trip…
… Maybe next time.
Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM
IRS = Political hacks.
Fire them all.
Zorro on May 21, 2013 at 10:12 PM
Let’s just remember what a nice speech Obama gave at Morehead, so everything is good.
VorDaj on May 21, 2013 at 10:12 PM
Ooops DOJ=Political hacks (IRS too)
Zorro on May 21, 2013 at 10:12 PM
This needs to be nominated for Derpiest HotGas Comment of the Year.
Myron Falwell on May 21, 2013 at 10:14 PM
*points politely at the “DONT FEED THE TROLLS” sign*
Midas on May 21, 2013 at 10:16 PM
Agreed…
… But in this case there is something different at play.
Obowma has infested and entrenched the Departments and Bureaucracies of this Nation with like minded individuals that believe his ideology…
Once in place, all they needed was the “OK to Go!”, and they got it…
… Now we are supposed to believe that Obowma wasn’t told of all these scandals to keep him safe?
No, the bigger picture is not Obowma himself…
… but the entirety of the political Left and the Democrat Party as a whole.
That needs to be what the next election is about, and rooting out the ideology that would destroy this Country…
Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 10:25 PM
For two years, I have told anyone willing to listen, there are four adjectives that sum up this administration:
Reckless
Feckless
Lawless
Preposterous
We are not treated as “citizens,” but like the “subjects” of a king.
I thought we had this worked out in 1776.
KCsecurity1976 on May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM
It’s been a long day, but I don’t see any reference to Bush.
Basilsbest on May 21, 2013 at 10:36 PM
Perhaps wrapped up with a bow on it or perhaps not….but the bottom line Obama response is going to be the same one he always uses….A sneer a raised middle finger and “what are ya’gonna do about it punks?”…So far it’s worked just fine.
bluesdoc70 on May 21, 2013 at 10:40 PM
Good thing Mark Levin’s bunker is undisclosed!
shar61 on May 21, 2013 at 10:59 PM
Still, their downfall is inevitable. It’s rooted in who we are. Imperfect souls who think we can be bigger than God, and subsequently get theirs in the end.
Obama is the epicenter by his own volition. His ego and perceived invincibility made it so. But the Dems have had their fate of destruction cast long ago when they declared war on all political opponents in a quest for total power.
What conservatives need to do is present a compelling reason why people should vote for them. Winning by attrition won’t work, as evidenced by the GOPe in 2010 when they were handed the House and did nothing with it (which is why faith needs to be put on the candidates, not on the failed party).
Myron Falwell on May 21, 2013 at 11:26 PM
Drunk with power.
rightmind on May 21, 2013 at 11:27 PM
J’ve never heard anyone defending barky speak in complete sentences.
Some even plead the 5th, HAL.
wolly4321 on May 21, 2013 at 11:28 PM
‘Cuz some jokes never get old.
bigmacdaddy on May 22, 2013 at 12:33 AM
The United States of Venezuela.
Sherman1864 on May 22, 2013 at 1:07 AM
Why are people shocked by this? Obama has been allowed to break the laws time and again and thumb his nose at us afterwards everytime.
He has done it again. Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012, she is the very person most likely to have been Obama’s attack dog against the conservative organization.
But did Obama fire her… Oh he11 no, instead Ingram has been placed in charge of ObamaCare. Obama just laughs and thumbs his nose at us.
Axion on May 22, 2013 at 1:31 AM
Wonder what the AP thinks of this–have they bothered to comment?
stukinIL4now on May 22, 2013 at 6:07 AM
This is so creepy.
This is also why you get pre-paid cell phones.
gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM
Its chilling. My Dad was a Tea Party organizer and his group leaders complained a long time ago about not getting a tax exempt status for their organization. When I think that my Dads friends and possibly even my Dad rated a closer look by the government just makes me scratch my head. These guys are the salt of the Earth and they’re being looked at as criminals by the Obama people.
smoothsailing on May 22, 2013 at 7:08 AM
Battered spouse Media.
They’ll always love him………
PappyD61 on May 22, 2013 at 7:14 AM
nEWS MEDIA and their parents?! Oh, it is SO time to send someone to JAIL! This administration is so out of control it is scary!
Meanhile I wounder if they found out who in the upper level administration leaked that it was Israel who attacked Syria a week or so ago, for which the Obama administration apologized for (which makes it all better when they do something wrong, right?).
easyt65 on May 22, 2013 at 8:12 AM
That’s a serious leak, and I’d like to see a Congressional hearing on that one too. It’s much like the leak a year or two ago about Israel getting permission from Azerbaijan to refuel their planes on a possible attack on Iran.
slickwillie2001 on May 22, 2013 at 8:31 AM