Pastor: Now God’s telling me not to burn the Koran

posted at 12:10 pm on September 11, 2010 by Allahpundit

I hate to devote a post on a day as solemn as this to the Levi Johnston of fringe Christianity, but after three days of saturation press coverage, you deserve closure. So here’s the media’s man of the hour using the escape hatch that I and others expected he’d use: He says one of his goals all along was to remind people of how dangerous Islamic fundamentalists can be, and since that mission’s now been accomplished, there’s no need to actually light a match. As I write this, MSNBC is replaying footage from 9/11 of the World Trade Center collapsing; between that and the daily reports of troops killed in action in Iraq and Afghanistan, I’m … pretty sure most people were going to get that reminder today anyway. As for the message he’s received from providence, I wonder: Will God be passing the same one along to the copycat Koran-burning preachers?

I think, wish, and hope that we’re done with this guy now, but one more note before we leave him for good. Jones didn’t expose anything about jihadism that we didn’t already know; what he did expose is how pathetic and sensationalistic the media can be (we knew that too, of course, but the sheer extent of it in this case is astounding) and how weak the government’s defense of free speech remains whenever jihadis start getting restless. Read Charles Lane’s withering indictment of Obama for more on that. How bad did it get? This bad:

According to officials familiar with the situation, the FBI visited Pastor Terry Jones several times. There is no law against what he wanted to do, they told him, but they were concerned about what might happen to HIM if he went ahead with his Koran Bonfire. They talked to him about being a potential target for violence and threats and told him the story of the Danish cartoonist and other people who have had their lives changed by making this kind of bold statement. They also told him they were concerned that civil rights violations and hate crimes might grow out of what he was planning to do and they wanted him to understand that.

Who among us hasn’t fantasized about federal agents knocking on the door to say, You don’t want to die, buddy, do you? This’ll be spun, I’m sure, as the feds merely being concerned for Jones’s welfare and wanting to make sure he wasn’t caught off-guard by the risks. But in practice they’re operating as emissaries for the same sort of scum who killed Theo Van Gogh. It’s intimidation by proxy, and the proxy is the FBI. And of course, it comes complete with a heavy-handed insinuation that if jihadis go nuts and commit, ahem, “hate crimes” over this — which they’re likely to do, notwithstanding the fact that the bonfire is off — then it’s really kinda sorta Jones’s fault, isn’t it? Repulsive.

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I would not call him a kook, but I certainly would never call him any kind of hero.

This incident says more about Obama and our freedoms than anything else.

faraway on September 11, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Something being overlooked in our discussion here is the reax on the Arab street to the pastor’s capitulation.

The pastor says God made him back down. Domestic observers say the FBI’s helpful guidance made him retreat. Libs say their scorn and ridicule were what did the trick.

But Islamists around the world rejoice and revel that it was their flexing of their death-threaty muscle that made Jones cower. This, then is the true pity here — Islamists more emboldened than ever.

FlameWarrior on September 11, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Protester burns koran at ground zero today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcUdruhgyw

tommyboy on September 11, 2010 at 3:06 PM

With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy, “If you think God is talking to you, you might be a nut case”.

peski on September 11, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Yesterday, the pastor was a jerk loser because of his plans to burn the Koran.

Today, because he says God told him to do the right thing and cancel the book-burning, he’s a jerk loser.

This is troubling to the rest of us who are jerk losers because it means there’s no way we can ever repent of and lose our jerk loser status in the eyes of some.

FlameWarrior on September 11, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Just because he “repented” doesn’t mean he’s still not a jerk loser for what he did. Repentance may gain you God’s forgiveness, but it doesn’t necessarily earn you relief from the consequences of your actions.

peski on September 11, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Muslim terrorists strike suddenly, with little or no warning, and anonymously. The author of Federalist No. 70, writing of the executive, also praised the ability to act with secrecy and dispatch. It seems good to learn from the practices of one’s intelligent enemies and the persuasive advice of one’s intelligent friends.

Kralizec on September 11, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Something being overlooked in our discussion here is the reax on the Arab street to the pastor’s capitulation.

The pastor says God made him back down. Domestic observers say the FBI’s helpful guidance made him retreat. Libs say their scorn and ridicule were what did the trick.

But Islamists around the world rejoice and revel that it was their flexing of their death-threaty muscle that made Jones cower. This, then is the true pity here — Islamists more emboldened than ever.

FlameWarrior on September 11, 2010 at 2:55 PM

So no matter what happens the conclusion as usual is -muslims enraged.

In addition I read somewhere that the community the pastor lives in was putting together a security force to protect the congregation if the burn went ahead, and they had made it plain to the pastor that they would come after him for costs after the fact. That could easily break the church.

slickwillie2001 on September 11, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Allah, I think the feds were insinuating that he would inspire hate crimes against Muslims, not that he might provoke jihadis to commit them against infidels. That IMO is even more speculative, hence gratuitously intimidating.

Seth Halpern on September 11, 2010 at 3:42 PM

FlameWarrior on September 11, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Just because he “repented” doesn’t mean he’s still not a jerk loser for what he did. Repentance may gain you God’s forgiveness, but it doesn’t necessarily earn you relief from the consequences of your actions.

peski on September 11, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Precisely, peski. Speaking as a card-carrying jerk loser — and, hopefuly, I speak here for all my fellow jerk losers –it’s a tragedy that there are some non-jerk non-losers who cannot find it in their hearts to forgive a jerk loser when he at last comes to his senses and does the right thing, especially when he never went ahead and did the wrong thing that he was telling everyone he was going to do.

Me personally, I feel it’s cause to rejoice any time a guy like that turns away from committing a wrong before he actually does the deed.

But, what do I know? I’m just a jerk loser, so I could be totally wrong. :)

FlameWarrior on September 11, 2010 at 3:52 PM

“The really weird thing? God looks a lot like an FBI Special Agent.”

mojo on September 11, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Wimp.

AshleyTKing on September 11, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Coward. Terrorists win again

The Notorious G.O.P on September 11, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Really?

ReformedAndDangerous on September 11, 2010 at 12:30 PM

If you think he’s fring then explain why.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 11, 2010 at 4:03 PM

I would rather Fred Phelps burn Korans instead of annoying the families of dead soldiers.

Speedwagon82 on September 11, 2010 at 4:07 PM

He’s “fringe” because the majority of churches in America are not Mega-Churches but small churches several less than 150 people.

Small churches are not filled with people who are Media whores, instigators, or pick unnecessary fights with other religions. They are filled with people who choose to help out their community doing volunteer work & providing for those in need in the community. They help out their chosen missionaries in foreign lands. Exhibiting Christ in love not hate and stupidity. Not saying that there are several Christians who aren’t stupid but in general if I were to take a large number of pastors from small churches none would look like this kook.

poppieseeds on September 11, 2010 at 2:11 PM

If I’m not mistaken, his church only has 50-some people in it. Also, do you even know what “fringe” means? Also, you do realize that people of religion don’t agree with people of another religion as far as who’s religion is correct, don’t you? I don’t agree with his burning of the Koran but how does that one thing make him “fringe”? Was he even the person that notified the media about the whole thing?

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 11, 2010 at 4:11 PM

Another 9/11 victory for Islam. Disgusting.

Dork B. on September 11, 2010 at 4:20 PM

FlameWarrior on September 11, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Hmm. Now you have me wondering. Don’t Muslims believe Christians and Jews worship the same God they do? If so, wouldn’t the radicals also rejoice because the backing down shows that Allah is on their side? After all, “He” even deigned to speak to an infidel and told him to back off.

Rosmerta on September 11, 2010 at 4:25 PM

but one more note before we leave him for good. Jones didn’t expose anything about jihadism that we didn’t already know; what he did expose is how pathetic and sensationalistic the media can be (we knew that too, of course, but the sheer extent of it in this case is astounding) and how weak the government’s defense of free speech remains whenever jihadis start getting restless.

Note how the push by the Left was to make this lone guy in Florida out to be representational of “Christians”.

Perhaps that situation was a big factor in why so many people who ARE Christians rushed to make such public statements denouncing ole Pastor Jones for the past two days, but, as to some of them (Hillary, for example), the Left was urging an assumption globally as to Jones being
Christian as if that meant that Jones’ lone plans were what Christians in general do or had planned.

Never forget, however, that despite Jones not burning his copies of Qurans, nevertheless, Muslims rioted.

Lourdes on September 11, 2010 at 4:26 PM

poppieseeds on September 11, 2010 at 2:11 P

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If I’m not mistaken, his church only has 50-some people in it. Also, do you even know what “fringe” means? Also, you do realize that people of religion don’t agree with people of another religion as far as who’s religion is correct, don’t you? I don’t agree with his burning of the Koran but how does that one thing make him “fringe”? Was he even the person that notified the media about the whole thing?

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 11, 2010 at 4:11 PM

Well, that, too, DethMetalCookieMonst…I wondered the same thing.

Just as the Left pushed to make Pastor Jones out to be representational of all Christians, so the Middle pushed to make him out to be the last person on Earth they’d ever want to know or associate with.

I was actually disgusted by both reactions. One guy, his own property…even after being played for a fool by “imams” from Islam, I rather felt sorry for him.

Lourdes on September 11, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Just because he “repented” doesn’t mean he’s still not a jerk loser for what he did. Repentance may gain you God’s forgiveness, but it doesn’t necessarily earn you relief from the consequences of your actions.

peski on September 11, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Jerk or no jerk, I do think the guy was acting on his beliefs as he understood things. There’s a lot that is evil in the Quran, not too much of a stretch to assume the book itself is.

I don’t agree with what Jones had planned, not from a Christian perspective, certainly not from the Christian theology Jones used to try to substantiate his plans, but, on a human level, I do think he was acting on his beliefs as he rather wrongly interpreted them to be.

Note he did possess intelligence and character adequate enough to change his plans and no person was harmed in his process. So I give the guy some due.

Lourdes on September 11, 2010 at 4:32 PM

what he did expose is how pathetic and sensationalistic the media can be (we knew that too, of course, but the sheer extent of it in this case is astounding) and how weak the government’s defense of free speech remains whenever jihadis start getting restless.

good point AP.

“Drive-by media”…

ted c on September 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Who among us hasn’t fantasized about federal agents knocking on the door to say, You don’t want to die, buddy, do you?

a little Dirty Harryish dontcha think?

ted c on September 11, 2010 at 4:37 PM

But in practice they’re operating as emissaries for the same sort of scum who killed Theo Van Gogh. It’s intimidation by proxy, and the proxy is the FBI. And of course, it comes complete with a heavy-handed insinuation that if jihadis go nuts and commit, ahem, “hate crimes” over this — which they’re likely to do, notwithstanding the fact that the bonfire is off — then it’s really kinda sorta Jones’s fault, isn’t it? Repulsive.

Goldang, AP—that’s a helluva good post for a Saturday like today. I would agree and admit that I wish I woulda thought of that—then again, I’m just a prole commenter.

ted c on September 11, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Koran? Qu’ran? Quran? No matter how its spelled its meaning is clear: it is a book of lies and hate. So it goes quite well with the drive-by, lack of fact-checking, BO loving media that fill the airwaves with lies and hate.

jbh45 on September 11, 2010 at 4:40 PM

If Jones has the freedom to stand up and be an idiot, then he has the freedom to stand up and suffer the consequences. Those consequences include whatever mocking he may suffer and whatever jihadi-bot jackass may deliver. The FBI has no business intervening in someone else’s stupidity, because, stupidity isn’t illegal….The price of freedom is such that people have the freedom to be stupid, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else or is illegal. Moreover, freedom is such that if you’re offended by someone elses’s freedom to be an idiot…then, you must be a group of thin skinned jihadis that need to get over yourselves.

ted c on September 11, 2010 at 4:41 PM

The terms of surrender are being played out before our eyes…

RalphyBoy on September 11, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Never forget, however, that despite Jones not burning his copies of Qurans, nevertheless, Muslims rioted.

Lourdes on September 11, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Not only that, they even killed one of their own while rioting in their own country against some future koran-burning ……..WHEN NO KORAN GOT BURNT

macncheez on September 11, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Not only that, they even killed one of their own while rioting in their own country against some future koran-burning ……..WHEN NO KORAN GOT BURNT

macncheez on September 11, 2010 at 5:02 PM

whaaa? no Koran got burnt? But..the outrage? the riots? the “Arab streets…?” By all accounts you would think that they burned every Koran within 500 miles of that fellas church…I cannot believe this…/

ted c on September 11, 2010 at 5:12 PM

President Obama was certainly right to be disgusted by “Reverend” Terry Jones’s threat to stage a public burning of the Koran, a plan that was mean, stupid, intolerant, and spookily evocative of Hitlerian book bonfires. But I am also troubled by Obama’s efforts to hector Jones into changing his mind. Everyone should worry when presidents invoke wartime security, or similar arguments, against constitutionally protected free speech, even — or especially — when the speech is offensive, outrageous and unpopular.

Obama should have condemned what Jones wanted to do, but defended unequivocally his right to do it.

Worst of all, Obama set a precedent for presidentially-encouraged self-censorship based on the anticipated mood swings of mobs and fanatics.

Terry Jones created a bad situation; the president’s reaction may make it worse.

Schadenfreude on September 11, 2010 at 5:20 PM

I think, wish, and hope that we’re done with this guy now

Doubt it. This isn’t his first stunt. Remember “NO HOMO MAYOR” and “Islam is of the devil” ?

Mark Jaquith on September 11, 2010 at 5:33 PM

FlameWarrior on September 11, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Hmm. Now you have me wondering. Don’t Muslims believe Christians and Jews worship the same God they do?

Rosmerta on September 11, 2010 at 4:25 PM

No. Muslims might argue that they worship the same God as Christians and Jews, but the fact is that the Muslim God is a different deity entirely.

Here, if you’re amenable, click this American Thinker archive link and check it out for yourself: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/08/who_is_allah.html

The other part of your question was:

If so, wouldn’t the radicals also rejoice because the backing down shows that Allah is on their side? After all, “He” even deigned to speak to an infidel and told him to back off.

Answer: Whether the pastor backed down or not, the Islamists would take it as a given that Allah’s on their side. The fact that the pastor retreated, they’d no doubt attribute that to more evidence of Western decadence and inability to cope with threatened jihad. Islam screams “Jump!”, and the terrified West asks, “How high?”

FlameWarrior on September 11, 2010 at 5:40 PM

Barack Hussein Obama: ‘We are not and never will be at war with Islam’.

Well, Islam is clearly at war with America and all Western Civilization and enlightenment, you Indonesian Imbecile.

Of course, we know who’s side you are on, you psychopath. Why do you hate Western Civilization and human rights so? Did you even shed a tear on 9/11? I seriously doubt it. Do you at all feel for woman stoned to death by the followers of Mohammad? I seriously doubt that too? You are a foul creature who will live in infamy. You are the anti-Founding Fathers, anti-Abraham Lincoln and anti-Martin Luther King, if there ever was one.

Luka on September 11, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Protester burns koran at ground zero today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcUdruhgyw

tommyboy on September 11, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Surprise! Surprise! I found that link to be censored.

Gang-of-One on September 11, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Gang-of-One on September 11, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Oops! Disrecard. Just had to hit the continue button.

Gang-of-One on September 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM

I hate to devote a post on a day as solemn as this to the Levi Johnston of fringe Christianity,

Huh? If he’s the “Levi Johnston” of fringe Christianity, then Hitchens is the “Levi Johnston” of fringe atheism.

Darth Executor on September 11, 2010 at 6:01 PM

So he didn’t burn em, he threw em in the trash!

Akzed on September 11, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Did you even shed a tear on 9/11? Luka on September 11, 2010 at 5:43 PM

He basically said the same thing Rauf said, we gotta examine our foreign policy to see what makes them do this stuff etc.

Akzed on September 11, 2010 at 6:26 PM

Did you even shed a tear on 9/11? Luka on September 11, 2010 at 5:43 PM

He did, for the 19 g-hadies

macncheez on September 11, 2010 at 6:30 PM

If God is telling him not to burn Korans now, who was it who told him to burn them in the first place?

flataffect on September 11, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Protester burns koran at ground zero today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcUdruhgyw

tommyboy on September 11, 2010 at 3:06 PM

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Holy crap… That reminded me of the scene in ‘The Lofe of Brian’ where he drops his shoe and they all start worshiping it and following him with it held high.
-
On another note… His answer to almost every question (including the repeated ‘what’s your name’) should have been a different question… “If I burned a Bible today, would you be here, or even care?” Thought not.

RalphyBoy on September 11, 2010 at 6:47 PM

I’m glad he didn’t really say anything, he just let the act speak for itself.

tommyboy on September 11, 2010 at 6:50 PM

When the FBI brought up “hate crimes” and “civil rights violations”, I think they were referring to the bonfire, not the reaction of the jihadis, AP. I read it twice and I really don’t think they meant what you think they meant. Burning a Koran might be treated as a “hate crime”. That’s what they were warning him about.

I, too, feared he’d back down claiming God’s voice. Weak, weak, weak. Hopefully someone, anyone, with more chutzpah goes ahead with this.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 11, 2010 at 6:58 PM

Rosmerta on September 11, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Christians and Jews worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Isaac is the key: it was Isaac that Abraham almost killed on Mt. Moriah (the Temple Mount today).

Islam grew out of the pantheistic beliefs of the Arabs. They chose at random which of those gods would be the “one” and they chose Allah, a moon god (and I think we all know who he really is). The Koran says that Arbaham almost sacrificed Ishmael.

All they are are plagiarists: taking Bible verses and stories and perverting them.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 11, 2010 at 7:06 PM

Virtually all of islam is stolen from the Bible. All the muzzies added to the mix was murder, violence and pederasty.

tommyboy on September 11, 2010 at 7:16 PM

You can also tell that they have a different “god” by the description: Christians say “He is love”. Islam says “god is as close as your jugular”. Complete opposites.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 11, 2010 at 7:19 PM

Checkout the latest offering from the religion of bloody pieces :
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/09/blast-in-copenhagen-jyllands-posten-offices-targeted/

macncheez on September 11, 2010 at 7:28 PM

You know, if you want, you can download a Qur’an and then download a host of pig pictures. Send them all to your empty trash can, let them stew together til you want to flush them.

BL@KBIRD on September 11, 2010 at 7:35 PM

I just wish there was 10% the Presidential, FBI and media concern when someone in the US burns the American Flag as their was when someone PLANS to burn a koran. I would like to be concerned when someone overseas burns the Flag.

I felt that this was a Lucy with the football fake all along.

barnone on September 11, 2010 at 8:01 PM

Burn the book, don’t burn the book. The only things that will not piss off some Muslims is our wholesale destruction and their absolute control.

Mr. Grump on September 11, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Maybe God should tell this turkey to take a very long walk off a short dock!

GFW on September 11, 2010 at 8:21 PM

So I am suppose to hate this guy because he laid bare the double standard practiced by the government and the media? I would never even think for burning a book but I can’t help but think there is a public service message being sent here that is being overlooked. What a shock!

Cindy Munford on September 11, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Yup, my knee jerk reaction was revulsion at such disrespect for the religion of others. But now I’ve turned almost 180 degrees on the matter, for the same reasons. We are being gamed, and if game them back we must, then so be it… and maybe even thanks, Pastor What’s Your Name, for putting some sunlight on it. Whether yer nuts or not, there are probably some lessons to be learned from you.

petefrt on September 11, 2010 at 8:28 PM

I hit preview for a reason with the terrible errors made when one types while disgusted. Just Saying…

Watching_Cloward-Piven on September 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM

Translation: This was all a publicity stunt from the jump and he never had any intention of doing it in the first place.

Any teeth gnashing yet from the peanut gallery here who thought this was a great idea?

SuperCool on September 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM

I just watched on Fox a promo about Whoraldo tonite. He has the paki ambassador on to tell us Americans why we need to STFU about the terrormosque.
IIRC, didn’t Bloominidiot and Hussain tell us that it was a local NYC matter ? Now outsiders are allowed in ?

macncheez on September 11, 2010 at 8:38 PM

PSYCH!

Mojave Mark on September 11, 2010 at 8:38 PM

I just wish there was 10% the Presidential, FBI and media concern when someone in the US burns the American Flag as their was when someone PLANS to burn a koran. I would like to be concerned when someone overseas burns the Flag.

barnone on September 11, 2010 at 8:01 PM

Me too. I want to see comparable concern when someone burns a flag, or someone puts a figure of Jesus in a bottle of urine, or burns a Bible even. Where’s the equal treatment, equal justice? This incident is iconic of the crossroads confronting our civilization. Let’s bring it to a head so it can be addressed squarely, before it defeats us by gamesmanship, PC intimidation and stealth.

petefrt on September 11, 2010 at 8:50 PM

First people who burn the Koran without ever reading it are fools and hypocrites…

Watching_Cloward-Piven on September 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM

I do believe this church did read it… that’s why they wanted to burn it…

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 11, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Th Pastor calls off his craziness and he’s called a kook.

The Imam continues his craziness and he’s called a peacemaker.

What a country.

faraway on September 11, 2010 at 9:08 PM

The elite media is trying to infer thar Andrew Beacham, who tore pages from the Koran today at the White House, is a TEA PARTY LEADER.


ANDREW BEACHAM IS NO TEA PARTY LEADER, despite elite media claims that he is.

Mutnodjmet on September 11, 2010 at 9:38 PM

First people who burn the Koran without ever reading it are fools and hypocrites…

Watching_Cloward-Piven on September 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM

I do believe this church did read it… that’s why they wanted to burn it…

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 11, 2010 at 9:01 PM

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37212095/Deposition-of-Terry-Jones

he has never read it according to this deposition. What he learned came from Youtube videos and what he experienced during his stay in Germany.

Watching_Cloward-Piven on September 11, 2010 at 9:42 PM

First people who burn the Koran without ever reading it are fools and hypocrites…
Watching_Cloward-Piven on September 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM

You don’t need to eat a dog turd to know it tastes like crap.

tommyboy on September 11, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Watching_Cloward-Piven on September 11, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Thanks for the link. I don’t think though that you *have* to read the Koran to know what’s in it: I take the word of people I respect and esteem who have read it (my first introduction to it was from the man I called my pastor, Zola Levitt, and then more recently Robert Spencer who did the series here). I myself have never read or plan to read Mein Kempf but again, I can take the word of those I trust.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 11, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Watching_Cloward-Piven on September 11, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Thanks for the link. I don’t think though that you *have* to read the Koran to know what’s in it: I take the word of people I respect and esteem who have read it (my first introduction to it was from the man I called my pastor, Zola Levitt, and then more recently Robert Spencer who did the series here). I myself have never read or plan to read Mein Kempf but again, I can take the word of those I trust.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 11, 2010 at 10:11 PM

You are very mistaken when believing I have never read the Koran. While in college in 2004 -206 I attended several symposiums, after reading the Koran/ and owning a copy of it, the Sira, the Reliance of the Traveler, and the two volumes containing the Hadiths– Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

BTW I have met and spoken with Robert Spencer 1 on 1 and Daniel Pipes and David Horowitz and others, during the VIP cocktail gatherings, about Islam during my years when I attended several symposiums across the country.

I read and studied for years and tried attempted to learn Arabic and Farsi for a future as an intel analyst, but because of reading other books about how we are so infiltrated and compromised in that area, the fact my family did not want me to enlist with the PC suicidal ROE, and stories from my dead father who was an Army Ranger serving in the 1st, 5th, and 9th Special Forces and a member of SOG in SE Asia who rests in Arlington National Cemetery.

But you better believe every chance I get when the subject comes up, I’m in the position to open minds, change perceptions, and link lefties in person, whom have never been called out, to the unholy alliance they have worth Islam.

I don’t trust anybody to tell me what’s in a book… I read it myself.

Watching_Cloward-Piven on September 11, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Thanks for the link. I don’t think though that you *have* to read the Koran to know what’s in it: I take the word of people I respect and esteem who have read it (my first introduction to it was from the man I called my pastor, Zola Levitt, and then more recently Robert Spencer who did the series here). I myself have never read or plan to read Mein Kempf but again, I can take the word of those I trust.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 11, 2010 at 10:11 PM

My mistake Aslan’s Girl as I thought you were accusing me of not having read the Koran, and I jumped the gun. I apologize. Time for bed on this day of national/global mourning as the Clash of Civilizations seems inevitable.

Watching_Cloward-Piven on September 11, 2010 at 11:33 PM

No worries, Watching_C-P.

Another way to know what’s in it is to watch how the people who believe in it act: the whole “you’ll know them by their fruits” thing.

I guess I disagree with the “you have to read it to know what’s in it” thing because it reminds of the liberal insistence on “you don’t know anything until you’ve experienced it”. So while I haven’t read it cover to cover, I have studied it under people I respect and trust. Good for you, though!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 11, 2010 at 11:59 PM

Whether by design or serendipity Jones has placed another nail in the coffin of the Old Media because the next time an NEA sponsored fArtist decides to sully a crucifix or a Bible or similar derision of the Christian faith the Old Media will be shown to be completely two-faced by their lackluster approach towards blasphemies of the flavor they prefer.

viking01 on September 12, 2010 at 12:40 AM

Maybe Mr. Jones gambit was to point out that Islamists, radical or moderate, are still Islamists. In that 15 minutes of fame, he incited the entire Muslim world. Moderate Islam does not control the household. The context of the Florida story is building the “moderate” GZ mosque.
Yes, we are all reminded of radical Islam on 9-11 and we can all discern that their means are not moderate. The question remains whether the ends are the same. Sharia is arguably a common goal of Islam but is altogether dismissed.

vicarious on September 12, 2010 at 12:47 AM

Nah, it wasn’t God telling Terry that; it was the Dog in the WH via his FBI.

onlineanalyst on September 12, 2010 at 12:49 AM

onlineanalyst on September 12, 2010 at 12:49 AM

Heh. I bet Obama loved being called “god” by Jones today.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 12, 2010 at 12:55 AM

onlineanalyst on September 12, 2010 at 12:49 AM

Reading your post again, I see your joke… maybe Jones is dyslexic and meant to say “dog” but it came out “god”, lol.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 12, 2010 at 12:57 AM

First people who burn the Koran without ever reading it are fools and hypocrites…
Watching_Cloward-Piven on September 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM

It’s the book my enemy considers holy. The symbolism is all that matters to me. I think religion is stupid so I don’t need to read another version of guy-in-the-sky twaddle. I was hoping the burn would go on. My only concern is when are they going to start throwing atheists in the fire? If Christians vanquish islam and feel powerful who will they come after next, other than the Jews of course.

deewhybee on September 12, 2010 at 1:40 AM

Jones…did expose…how weak the government’s defense of free speech remains whenever jihadis start getting restless. – Ap

Know thine enemy!
Not only the government’s weak defence, but every other self-proclaimed leader in the USA!

Not one national leader(OMG ‘cept WestBoro’s?!) showed the raw courage and in-your-face tenacity required to stand down these Islamist bastagges, and their Local, National, and International facilitators.

Again, the enemy’s morale has been strengthend, while weakening our own national will. What is even more perverse is that it appears we’ll be content to leave this problem for our children to endure! Sadly, with the role models they’re seeing today, we can’t expect them to do any better than their Leftist and fence-sitting forebears have!

Pray that leaders, such as LTC Allen West and the T-Party, are able to breakout of the chokehold that our nations enemies, both foreign and domestic, have us in! And, we are enabled to begin to restore some of Right Stuff, that the USA used to be made from!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeOkp8ZpvqA

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on September 12, 2010 at 2:37 AM

It’s intimidation by proxy, and the proxy is the FBI. And of course, it comes complete with a heavy-handed insinuation that if jihadis go nuts and commit, ahem, “hate crimes” over this — which they’re likely to do, notwithstanding the fact that the bonfire is off — then it’s really kinda sorta Jones’s fault, isn’t it? Repulsive.

Well said

This is the caroon episode, redux. Personally, I would rather people everywhere burned a page of the book. Get it over with. Otherwise, the blackmail continues to the point we cannot have Piglet pencil holders on our desks at work, lest we offend.

To those who say we are at risk if a page of paper (belonging to the person holding the paper) is burned. We are already at risk. The ones who will cut off our heads for burning our own books, will cut off our heads anyway.

we are at risk for losing our oil supply? They are selling it at 100 bucks a barrel, and using our money to buy tv stations and American debt, which is still a net loss for us.

There is no peace in submission. Burn the paper. Take on the beast and get it over with. Bring the monsters into the open, instead of dancing tangos with them overseas, letting only the soldiers get arms and legs blown off. This is what we are doing right now, transferring the war we all should be fighting to a proxy war overseas, while pretending the enemy is not imbedded in our cities, growing in confidence their blackmail has no limit

German leader Merkel gave a free speech award to the Danish cartoonist who drew a cartoon of Mohammed. While praising him, she condemned the pastor for theatening to burn a piece of paper from the Koran saying

Merkel: “If a fundamentalist evangelical pastor in America wants to burn the Quran on Sept. 11, I find that – in a word – disrespectful, also abhorrent and false,”

Of course, to a muslim, cartooning Mohammed is also disrespectful, abhorrent and false

The rage of a muslim is based upon his standards, not Merkels’

entagor on September 12, 2010 at 4:11 AM

Why all the uproar? Why bother with burning the Koran? Just take a pig to the site, butcher it and bury it on the grounds. I don’t think they’ll want to build a mosque there anymore.

iamsaved on September 12, 2010 at 7:32 AM

But Islamists around the world rejoice and revel that it was their flexing of their death-threaty muscle that made Jones cower. This, then is the true pity here — Islamists more emboldened than ever.

FlameWarrior on September 11, 2010 at 2:55 PM

My son is serving in the Pech River valley as we speak. I spoke to him Friday and for the first time in many years, the locals refused gifts etc because of this pastor. I told him the unintended consequence to this will be exactly your point. The islamo-fascists will claim victory when this pastor backs down. As much as I agree with the Koran burning, people have got to think about this stuff before going forward. If you’re going to do it, then do it. Don’t bow to pressure.

He is CLAIMING to now be reaching out, which does help mitigate the problem, if only for some Muslim’s. Of course the terrorists will continue to spin it.

csdeven on September 12, 2010 at 7:44 AM

The islamo-fascists will claim victory when this pastor backs down. As much as I agree with the Koran burning, people have got to think about this stuff before going forward. If you’re going to do it, then do it. Don’t bow to pressure.

csdeven on September 12, 2010 at 7:44 AM

Yeah, backing down only gives Islamists a “victory”. Islam is a culture of shame. Any defeat weakens the Islamist. It is critical we keep fighting against the GZ mosque.

I hope your son stays safe.

darwin on September 12, 2010 at 8:33 AM

Backing down only gives Islamists a “victory.” Blah, blah, blah.

Pastor Jones is a wacko. His followers are fundamentalist wackos. He should be viewed with complete contempt. But whether or not he burns the Qur’an, the bottom line ought to be whether or not we believe in our principles and values as Americans, not whether or not it “gives Islamists a victory.”

Act on your own values and principles–and laws; don’t act based on whether or not your enemy will see it, or not see it, as a “victory.” Do we, in America, have principles, values and laws which, under our Constitution, are the best in the world? Yes. So, we ought to live by them; not by those of our enemy.

mountainaires on September 12, 2010 at 9:11 AM

Yes. So, we ought to live by them; not by those of our enemy.

mountainaires on September 12, 2010 at 9:11 AM

What are you talking about? The man backed off after The FBI informed him he might become a dead pastor if he burned the Koran. Add to that the entire Muslim world essentially threatened to ignite the world(when don’t they?).

We should begin to make it a habit of pissing them off.
What should be highlighted is not Jones, but the Muslim reaction to him … which is to threaten to kill anything that doesn’t comply with their demands.

darwin on September 12, 2010 at 9:22 AM

The man is a publicity hungry coward. If he were not going to go through with it he should have sat down and shut up. Now he gets threats from the FBI. Isnt that the same way Tony Soprano operated?

You can exercise your 1st Amendment rights, but for your safety we would advise you dont. If you insist, you’ll be arrested for hate crimes.

Lots and lots of free publicity. Who heard of this guy or his church before this stunt? He knew the media would eat it like candy and let the goo drool down their chins.

abcurtis on September 12, 2010 at 9:52 AM

The scriptural thing for this pastor to do would be to have his church engage in intercessory prayer for the enemy. That’s what Jesus said, pray for your enemies. Pray that they will come out of the murderous cult that is Islam. But, praying for your enemies is a very, very difficult thing to do. It’s easier to create free publicity and then back down.
I could be wrong, but I dont think God likes cowards.

abcurtis on September 12, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Something tells me he got what he wanted. Anyone want to lay bets on when he moves into a new house, drives in a new car, or builds a bigger church? This smells like the Oral Roberts fiasco over raising a couple of million or risk being called back to God.

TQM38a on September 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM

That’s what Jesus said, pray for your enemies.

abcurtis on September 12, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Praying for one’s enemies is fine. Surrendering to them, or not fighting against them isn’t.

darwin on September 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Pastor: Now God’s telling me not to burn the Koran

God does move in mysterious ways.
The Sept. 6th Bonfire of hatred – Miami Herald

A bank, meanwhile, is demanding repayment of the $140,000 balance on the church mortgage and the property insurance was canceled after plans for the book-burning became known.

heroyalwhyness on September 12, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Hot Air stopped talking about Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan. Can we stop talking about this media hound, too? Please?

tgillian on September 12, 2010 at 11:53 AM

At the moment I’m looking for website/email address for the Disciples of Christ ministry that Bob Old heads. He did burn Korans yesterday. I’m thinking of sending his ministry a donation.

Dork B. on September 12, 2010 at 11:55 AM

He should have opened the Quran in front of the assembled reporters, read these verses:

8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”

33:9 “O ye who believe! Remember the Grace of Allah, on you, when there came down an army. But We sent against them a hurricane and forces that ye saw not. Behold! They came on you from above you and from below you, and behold, the eyes became dim and the hearts gaped up to the throats, stupefied with terror, and ye imagined various vain thoughts about Allah!”

33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time.

33: 61 They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy – a fierce slaughter -murdered, a horrible murdering.”

59:2 It is He who got out the Unbelievers [Kafaroo] among the People of the Book [Jews]from their homes at the first gathering (of the forces). Little did ye think that they would get out: and they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! but the (wrath of) Allah came to them from quarters from which they little expected (it) and cast terror into their hearts so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers. Take warning then O ye with eyes (to see)!

And declared, “Today I have burned the Quran into your minds,” and closed up shop.

Akzed on September 12, 2010 at 12:53 PM

There should be no doubt that the visit by the FBI agents who intimidated Jones with a long list of threats. I don’t really think that this kook knew what he was getting into when he announced that he was going to do the book burning.
Have you noticed how the democrats which is the headquarters for liberals,leftists,marxists and Anti-Americans have supported and endorsed the building of the trophy Mosque at Ground Zero. Obama is having a hard time hiding his Muslim faith and will probably be at the ground breaking.

flintstone on September 12, 2010 at 4:34 PM

God is telling me not to pay attention to this guy anymore and vote conservative.

flyoverland on September 12, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Good points by ALLAHPUNDIT. What a lame excuse this repulsive phony makes for canceling his Quran burning.

Now here is my kind of guy – America is not dead yet with people like this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/11/2010-09-11_man_ignites_koran_near_ground_zero_apparently_prompted_by_florida_pastor_terry_j.html

Chessplayer on September 12, 2010 at 7:00 PM

From Chessplayer’s link:

Cops pounced on one protester, 29-year-old Sebastain Bagby, when he held up a Koran and whipped out a lighter. The officers grabbed the items out of Bagby’s hand but didn’t arrest him.

HUH? On what grounds? Those items are the man’s private property! How dare they!

BTW, that article is unabashedly, hyperbolically biased. Right from the get-go it was dripping with editorializing.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 12, 2010 at 7:20 PM

BTW, that article is unabashedly, hyperbolically biased. Right from the get-go it was dripping with editorializing.
-Aslan’s Girl

And the editorializing by these three (!?) authors was extremely disgusting: if you demonstrate for American free expression rights in such a direct way you are “A hate-filled fanatic “.

What has happened to our journalists? You’d think they’d understand & support freedom of expression.

Chessplayer on September 12, 2010 at 7:39 PM

I would rather Fred Phelps burn Korans…
Speedwagon82

This would be a match made in heaven…

Fallon on September 13, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Well innocent Christians were stabbed over the weekend over this abroad and fires were set. These are the kind of savages we are dealing with. Why are we always the ones who need to suck it up?

johnnyU on September 13, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Of course God didn’t tell him to burn the Koran. God is NEVER for provocation–what did Jesus tell his disciples to do if a town didn’t accept their preaching? Shake the dust off their feet and leave town!

Mohammed: No, God didn’t tell me to write the Koran.

I know, he never said that–my wishful thinking.

If he had, the world would be a much more peaceful place. Peace be unto us.

Steve Z on September 13, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Burning a Koran is a stupid provocation, but since Mahmood Abbas is in town to negotiate “peace” with Bibi Netanyahu, maybe Madam Secretary Hillary Clinton might want to remind Abbas of the desecrations Abbas’ thugs wrought on the Church of the Nativity, where a baby was born 2000 years ago whom over a billion people believe was the Son of God.

How about it, Madam Secretary? A little thingy about hallowed ground?

Steve Z on September 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Somethin’ tells me this guy received a financial offer to backout of the burning.

jediwebdude on September 13, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Steve Z on September 13, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Jesus was plenty “provocative” when He took a WHIP and cleansed the Temple. His whole ministry was “provocative”, His answers to the Sadducees and Pharisees were “provocative”.

jediwebdude: I think the opposite based on the evidence: it was only after the FBI paid him a little visit did he cancel — meaning they didn’t offer him $$ they threatened him.

Aslans Girl on September 13, 2010 at 6:40 PM

He’ll be back. The next time he says something embarassing to conservatives and/or Christianity, the media will be there to remind us how ignorant, bigotted and generally silly Evangeilicals are. Never mind how many thousands of us publicly disagreed with him, in the MSM mind, he is the perfect representative of right-wing religion.

JackOfClubs on September 13, 2010 at 9:12 PM

The pastor opened something up that had to be opened

The American publio has been cowed into thinking they cannot burn this piece of paper, but we can burn our own Bible, or our own flag, or even picket the burial service of fallen American soldiers.

The pickets who disturb burials are made to keep a certain distance from the burial site.

As I listened to the threat to burn a book described as vile and hate filled, it reminded me how the same critics hesitate to call the iman’s support for hamas murderers vile or hate filled

They jump on a threat to burn paper, but pretend not to notice when pregnant females are gunned down in Israel

That is what the American public has been cowed into forgetting.

This pastor let Americans remember they are a free people. Then he was put into a box and told he would be made into a scapegoat responsible for every death overseas, whether or not it was muslim retaliation for his legal speech expression (which was to be done far away from the iman’s own home)

I was against it on principle of politeness, but now appreciate this pastor’s reminder we are only a free people if we are allowed to exercise our freedoms. I don’t care the motive of the others who burned pages. I only know we got to see forgotten liberty expressed.

Tony Blair was on Hannity today. Asked how to help moderate muslim against the radical influence. Blair’s answer was America needs to be strong, for the moderates to have courage.

IMHO this would mean, if American officials take time out to denounce a pastor burning a page of the book, they should add in the same paragraph a forceful denunciation of terrorism and intimidation. obama gives a lot of time denouncing racism, anti islamism, and koran burning but skirts around terrorism by radicals. We need such deunciations to be equally forceful to empower the moderates. Otherwise they too will cower from the system which takes its cues from the radicals only

entagor on September 14, 2010 at 3:30 AM

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