Obama to Koran-burning pastor: Think of the troops

posted at 4:12 pm on September 9, 2010 by Allahpundit

A partial list of people who’ve weighed in thus far on Terry Jones’s publicity stunt turned mega-clusterfark: The U.S. Secretary of State, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, the presidents of Afghanistan and Indonesia, the prime minister of Iraq, the home minister of India, the Pakistani ambassador to the U.S., the FBI, Interpol, the Vatican — and now, inevitably, the president of the United States. What this is, basically, is a global hostage situation, and while Obama (and Petraeus, and Romney) is making a shrewd rhetorical move by framing this as a plea to protect the troops, the danger obviously goes far beyond that. You’re not seeing Indian ministers opine here because they care about U.S. soldiers, and needless to say, if there’s anyone in the world who’s capable of handling himself against a threat, it’s an American G.I. with a M-16. The real worry is that unarmed civilians are going to die somewhere — in Afghanistan or Europe or Indonesia or Africa or, heaven forbid, here at home — because there are now enough Muslim fundamentalists spread around the world that realistically no one is safe. The “do it for the troops” gambit is essentially just a clever smokescreen aimed at appealing to Jones’s sense of patriotism. And it might work: He told USA Today earlier that a direct request from Obama to stand down would “cause us definitely to think it over.” Well, here’s the official request, which might be followed by a phone call from The One himself to Jones. (How’s that for creating a perverse PR incentive?) Frankly, at this point, Jones might as well drop the idea and declare “victory.” If he’s trying to make a point about “the dangers of radical Islam,” he can just point to the list of hand-wringing statesmen above and declare that the point has already been made. No need to actually strike a match.

I’m not going to rehash my objection to criticizing free speech on grounds that it poses a risk to soldiers, so let me make a few other points instead. First, to Robert Gibbs: No, burning the Koran doesn’t go against “every one of our values.” Book-burning is a repulsive means of protest but it’s as much a First Amendment matter as flag-burning is. Breathe into a paper bag, Gibbsy. Second, to Obama (and Petraeus and Romney): No, burning the Koran does not “endanger our young men and women in uniform who are in Iraq, who are in Afghanistan.” The reaction to burning the Koran is what endangers our men and women in uniform (and everyone else). This is a crucial point, worth always bearing in mind when speech is met with violence. When you blame a speaker for the violent response to his speech, you absolve the violent actor of the moral choice he made in deciding to act. If you think it’s Jones, rather than some Taliban suicide bomber, who’s a mortal threat to the troops, then presumably you also think Theo Van Gogh got what was coming to him. After all, he knew the risk when he made “Submission,” right?

Third, as tempting as it is to blame the media for giving this crank a megaphone, I’m uncomfortable with doing so. Make no mistake, their behavior’s been typically loathsome. Clearly, they pursued this story in the wake of the Ground Zero mosque kerfuffle in order to buttress their pre-midterm “Islamophobia” narrative — but something went wrong on the way to page one. By calling attention to it, they brought it to the attention of fundies, and now suddenly the worldwide fretting about imminent violence makes the “Islamophobes” look a bit less crazy than before. So now, as Tom Maguire says, they’re trying to climb off the tiger: The AP announced today that it won’t distribute photos or audio of the Koran-burning (if it happens) while Fox News insists that it won’t cover the event at all. This is their way, however belatedly, of denying jihadis easy propaganda from the event. So why, given all that, is it wrong to blame the media? Well, for one thing, doing so would make the same mistake about moral choices that I warned of above. If Jake Tapper covers the Koran-burning and some jihadi filthbag sees the footage and blows someone’s head off in Islamabad, it ain’t Jake Tapper who pulled the trigger. Filthbags have moral agency just like everyone else. The deeper reason, though, is that blaming the media can only encourage them to censor themselves in the future for fear of offending Muslims. American newspapers have already largely suppressed the Mohammed cartoons, and Comedy Central has taken to bleeping Mohammed’s name on “South Park.” And now, already, we have Fox out-and-out refusing to cover news events lest some excitable fundie crank go berserk. Where do we draw that line?


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I hope Trump doesn’t pay more than $ 4.8 mil for that property…since thats what it was sold for to the current owner. Also the original sellers rejected an offer of
$18 mil to sell it at $ 4.8 mil !!! Let all those who made up the difference by hawala be investigated by IRS

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

I’ve heard a rumor that Soros is hellbent on buying this property and turning it into the Obama Presidential Library and Mosque.

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Ahh, I feel better now.

Emily M. on September 9, 2010 at 4:47 PM

It’s frikkin pissing me off to see the entire World crying and begging one little nutso pastor to not burn some cheesy copies of the holy book of peace? so as not to bring down the wrath of the entire Muslim World. Hello? What is wrong with this picture?

sandee on September 9, 2010 at 4:47 PM

hanks AP, you made exactly the point I wanted

Vera on September 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Where’s Alice and Mel?

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:47 PM

I believe this church had about 50 members before the big announcement was made about book burning. He probably has a lot more now so mission accomplished.

That said, go ahead and burn the books and then the media should have a field day writing about how intolerant Muslims are. Right?

Vince on September 9, 2010 at 4:48 PM

I hope Trump doesn’t pay more than $ 4.8 mil for that property…since thats what it was sold for to the current owner. Also the original sellers rejected an offer of
$18 mil to sell it at $ 4.8 mil !!! Let all those who made up the difference by hawala be investigated by IRS

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM
I’ve heard a rumor that Soros is hellbent on buying this property and turning it into the Obama Presidential Library and Mosque.

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM

I’ve heard a rumor that Trump was p*ssed off because some pastor with a 50 member church was getting more publicity than Trump was.

Jimbo3 on September 9, 2010 at 4:48 PM

But you are thinking hajib…

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Or hijab.

pain train on September 9, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Trump is offering more than $6 million for the property. That includes the original cost of the property, lease rights for the year, and another 25%.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Excellent points.

Jaynie59 on September 9, 2010 at 4:49 PM

No, burning the Koran does not “endanger our young men and women in uniform who are in Iraq, who are in Afghanistan.” The reaction to burning the Koran is what endangers our men and women in uniform (and everyone else). This is a crucial point, worth always bearing in mind when speech is met with violence. When you blame a speaker for the violent response to his speech, you absolve the violent actor of the moral choice he made in deciding to act. If you think it’s Jones, rather than some Taliban suicide bomber, who’s a mortal threat to the troops, then presumably you also think Theo Van Gogh got what was coming to him. After all, he knew the risk when he made “Submission,” right?

Right-freaking-on. I hate when any given media hubbub focuses the blame on some inciting agent and not on the irresponsible and evil a-holes that are milking the agent for their own purposes. And that’s been happening in this case.

I’m not a big fan of this Koran burning but the absurdly overblown reaction from the Islamic world just highlights how Muslims are not ready to sit at the grownups table.

Django on September 9, 2010 at 4:49 PM

I’ve heard a rumor that Trump was p*ssed off because some pastor with a 50 member church was getting more publicity than Trump was.

Jimbo3 on September 9, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Jimbo3 jumps in with the funny! it looks like this book burning is bringing everyone together.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Ironic that Obama will talk to this guy since part of his frustraation that drove himm to such extremes might very well be Obama’s fault. The bowing to our enemies has a consequencs.

If they can blame Rush for inciting violence -the least we can do is return the favor.

Don L on September 9, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Is there anything that doesn’t offend Muslims?

I mean besides body odor.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Awesomeness!!! LMAO!

ornery_independent on September 9, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Folks, I think we have a wrap. Send it to the printers.

Jeckle on September 9, 2010 at 4:50 PM

I’ve heard a rumor that Soros is hellbent on buying this property and turning it into the Obama Presidential Library and Mosque.

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Oh God, please stop this ..please.
Sor@$$ buying this for kic@$$ will be even worse than hamasque
God please stop this

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 4:50 PM

To Obama regarding border security:

Think about the American citizens and not the illegal aliens, criminal or not.

madmonkphotog on September 9, 2010 at 4:51 PM

“This stunt that he is pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women in uniform.”

I honestly thought this was talking about Obama. More than a few of his stunts have do so. Likewise the NYT, most of Congress, and the UN. So what’s the big deal if some goof ball preacher does it too? Cutting into the One’s action?

MikeA on September 9, 2010 at 4:51 PM

When can we expect Islamic Rage Boy to show up?

Now?
Or now?

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Considering the number of stories you post on her, it is evident that she is a priority to you — unless something positive comes out.

Blake on September 9, 2010 at 4:31 PM

You Palin freaks are so effing irritating.

You-Eh-Vee on September 9, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Did I miss something, or has there been a time recently when Muslims took some time off from killing innocent, unarmed people, on a routine basis?

Or from threatening to kill innocent, unarmed people?

This is like me saying I’m going to drink beer tonight because I’m upset with the Muslims.

Yeah, maybe I am, but face it. I was going to do it anyway.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Because I was working on this story for an hour. Start your own blog if you don’t like how we prioritize posts.

Allahpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Switched to decaf?

VibrioCocci on September 9, 2010 at 4:52 PM


Well, there is not going to be a lot of argument about this. It’s obviously an execrable, revolting act, what they’re going to be doing, although it’s curious we don’t hear a chorus of people telling us what a glory it is to the American system that all of us will defend his right to do it, even though we might question the wisdom of doing it.

- C. Krauthammer

+infinity

Droopy on September 9, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Considering the number of stories you post on her, it is evident that she is a priority to you — unless something positive comes out.

Blake on September 9, 2010 at 4:31 PM

You Palin freaks are so effing irritating.

You-Eh-Vee on September 9, 2010 at 4:52 PM

I’m a palin fan and I have to agree with you.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:53 PM

BREAKING: Donald Trump offers to buy-out main investor in NYC mosque, AP reports.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Trump’s action may also smoke out the nonsense over the sale price of the site, supposedly $4.8m, yet worth much more. This needs investigation.

slickwillie2001 on September 9, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Trump is putting conditions on the deal.

The real estate mogul also attached a key condition: Any other mosque built by the developers must be more than five blocks away from Ground Zero.

A fight btw. Soros and Trump would make Trump into a giant. The little ugly man w/b soooo exposed.

America/Trump

Obama/Soros

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM

After all, he knew the risk when he made “Submission,” right?

Not exactly. According to Ayaan Hirshi Ali, she tried to explain it to him, but he laughed it off instead of taking it seriously. He rode to work in plain view of everyone on a bike that day.

This isn’t something that Western thinkers were really able to wrap their heads around initially. It’s taken some time.

That said, Ayaan did, and the argument that she deserves to be living the way she has to isn’t any less disgusting.

Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM

You-Eh-Vee on September 9, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Thank you, they’re devolving into Paulnuts.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Great post AP. I can only add what I said in the earlier thread.

Where was all this concern for the troops when the left (including o before he reversed) was demanding Abu Girab photos be released?

How does this put the troops in more danger than our suicidal rules of engagement?

Monica on September 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Heck, if our people keep making such fools of ourselves over this, we might even gin up a small war over it, the war that PC started.

petefrt on September 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Let the dooshie burn his Korans. The best the rest of us sane Americans can do is flip him the bird, call him an arse, and go on with our day of solemn remembrance of what truly matters this Saturday–Remembering those who lost their lives on 9/11/01.

THAT’S what’s really important.

JetBoy on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Amen to that. BTW: Meghan McCain would endorse Romney for 2012. :(

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4332882/meghan-mccains-dirty-sexy-politics

Happens at 2:50

milwife88 on September 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM

This is getting out of hand.

Skandia Recluse on September 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Terrific post by AP.

This gives him a freehand to do 12 Meghan McCain posts and 6, no 4, Levi Johnston posts.

No, make that 2 Levi posts.

No, just one. And it has to be short.

SteveMG on September 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM

I’ve heard a rumor that Trump was p*ssed off because some pastor with a 50 member church was getting more publicity than Trump was.

Jimbo3 on September 9, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Well played.

Mr. D on September 9, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Thank you, they’re devolving into Paulnuts.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Seems we’re reaching a near consensus on this here.

Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 4:56 PM

I’m no friend of Islam, but balance 1453 with 1204. Christians can bring black days too.

Tzetzes on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Agreed.

My 1452 was purposeful though; i meant that we are NEAR a tipping point but it appears to be coming…

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 4:56 PM

He rode to work in plain view of everyone on a bike that day.

Yeah, it’s his fault he got stabbed and shot. Stupid dude. Don’t mess with the Zohan Islam

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 4:56 PM

The deeper reason, though, is that blaming the media can only encourage them to censor themselves in the future for fear of offending Muslims. American newspapers have already largely suppressed the Mohammed cartoons, and Comedy Central has taken to bleeping Mohammed’s name on “South Park.” And now, already, we have Fox out-and-out refusing to cover news events lest some excitable fundie crank go berserk. Where do we draw that line?

I’ve been outspoken today against the media, but if something happens I’m not going to “blame” the media.

That said, I DO blame the media for making this international news.

Each day there are millions and millions of news stories that could be covered.

Editorial judgment is needed to sort out what gets covered and what doesn’t.

And while the media ignores all the wonderful stories of the good works that Christian churches do every single day…

…all of a sudden one nutjob in Florida deserves front page coverage?

Which, btw, was EXACTLY what he wanted.

I blame the media for foisting this non-story upon the world in an effort to continue their “hateful, red-necked Christian” meme.

Religious_Zealot on September 9, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Here is what the Pastor should do:

1. Find a remote site
2. Obtain a burn permit
3. Burn anything he likes
4. Take a couple of vague photos without any Korans visible
5. At the appropriate time, announce that it’s taking place at a remote site right now

faraway on September 9, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Burning the Koran is a really stupid move. It accomplishes nothing other than to give this fool some pub.

The Koran has some stone age brutality as well as other barbarian stuff in it to be sure. It has nailed the muslim’s feet to the floor for centuries, and the biggest reason those parts of the world are such flunkie havens. But, burning the thing is a stunt that creates more trouble than it solves. Bad idea.

saiga on September 9, 2010 at 4:58 PM

SteveMG on September 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Hasn’t been a gay post in awhile either, I can feel one coming.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Jimbo3 jumps in with the funny! it looks like this book burning is bringing everyone together.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:50 PM

I want to roast some marshmallows for a party this weekend. It will probably be about 4 bags of marshmallows with about 25 marshmallows per bag. I like the marshmallows crispy but not too crispy. I will be having some important people attending so I want to be sure I do everything right. How many korans do you think I need for everything to go just right? I want to be sure I buy enough but not too many as I am on a budget as I have been unemployed since the Obama depression started.

Cheshire Cat on September 9, 2010 at 4:58 PM

I blame the media for foisting this non-story upon the world in an effort to continue their “hateful, red-necked Christian” meme.

Religious_Zealot on September 9, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Somebody should drop a hint at MSNBC or CNN the the ‘Cuda had a boob job or something. This Koran story would evaporate instantly.

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 4:59 PM

I just heard on the radio that they’re warning all Americans abroad to be aware that they might have a giant bullseye on their backs.

Screw Islam.

Vera on September 9, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Correction: No more Levi posts, AP.

I don’t care if you friggin’ write a post that Shakespeare would envy.

No. More. Levi.

SteveMG on September 9, 2010 at 5:00 PM

I have been searching online ever since this controversy started , to see if any, ANY muslim had come forward to ask muslims to show restraint and NOT react with their usual violence and rioting and killings,
just because of this one Pastor.
Nothing.
I found NONE, not in US, not abroad.
What does that say about muslims ?

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Gosh, judging from their reaction, I can see why it’s called “the religion of peace”.///

kingsjester on September 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM

You know if Jones call off the burn, O will tout it as a win and the media will go apesh!t. Appeasement AND a bump in the polls for O. I suspect this is what will happen.

Monica on September 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM

How about we agree to put our ugly women in burkas if they allow their hot women to wear less?

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

That ignores the reason women have to wear burkas, because otherwise they’d be raped like uncovered meat (not sure about their sexual practices over there). How about we just send over some handguns to the women over there?

Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM

BREAKING: Florida Pastor calls off Koran burning.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Every day I am reminded by the whiny protests against this minister and warnings that the IslamoNazis will go nuts and kill people that this is exactly why he’s burning their crackpot Krayon.

Jaibones on September 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM

I have been searching online ever since this controversy started , to see if any, ANY muslim had come forward to ask muslims to show restraint and NOT react with their usual violence and rioting and killings,
just because of this one Pastor.
Nothing.
I found NONE, not in US, not abroad.
What does that say about muslims ?

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Comment of the Year.

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 5:02 PM

I found NONE, not in US, not abroad.
What does that say about muslims ?

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 5:00 PM

You missed the one that was linked here yesterday?

Here: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-08/get-over-the-quran-burning/

Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Hasn’t been a gay post in awhile either, I can feel one coming.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:58 PM

You have one life, let it be gay
Shouldn’t one do as one’s told to?
No, let the moment enfold you
Grab up every golden chance
Life is such romance
Give this world a sweeping glance
Let it set your soul a-dancing night and day
Vivez!

Live, here’s to life, let us all be gay
Let go of each inhibition
No one need give you permission
What are you waiting for?
Vivez!

PercyB on September 9, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Oh my:

FLORIDA PASTOR SAYS DECISION FOLLOWS AGREEMENT TO MOVE SITE OF PLANNED NEW YORK ISLAMIC CULTURAL CENTER AND MOSQUE AWAY FROM GROUND ZERO

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Male Muslims over there are far more interested in raping young boys than women.

That’s just how they roll there and why so many of them are so screwed up.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Terrific post by AP.

This gives him a freehand to do 12 Meghan McCain posts and 6, no 4, Levi Johnston posts.

No, make that 2 Levi posts.

No, just one. And it has to be short.

SteveMG on September 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Yep, I second that. My fave line:

When you blame a speaker for the violent response to his speech, you absolve the violent actor of the moral choice he made in deciding to act.

Bravo!

petefrt on September 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM

PercyB on September 9, 2010 at 5:03 PM

You are the wind beneath my wings.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM

BREAKING: Florida Pastor calls off Koran burning.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Pakis dance, Hussain wins , troops safe

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM

AP, it was a well spent hour…good post. We’ll never hear/read this from the LSM.

d1carter on September 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM

NBC says:

“GROUND ZERO MOSQUE WILL MOVE”

wtf? is it a bargain?

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Pakis dance, Hussain wins , troops safe

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Dude, they’re moving the mosque.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 5:06 PM

I want to roast some marshmallows for a party this weekend. It will probably be about 4 bags of marshmallows with about 25 marshmallows per bag. I like the marshmallows crispy but not too crispy. I will be having some important people attending so I want to be sure I do everything right. How many korans do you think I need for everything to go just right? I want to be sure I buy enough but not too many as I am on a budget as I have been unemployed since the Obama depression started.

Cheshire Cat on September 9, 2010 at 4:58 PM

I find you can get a nice flame going with about 6 korans that usually lasts about 1/2 hour – depending on how you build your koran-fire. I go with the log cabin myself, but some people prefer a tepee formation.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 5:07 PM

BREAKING: Florida Pastor calls off Koran burning.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM

BREAKING: Charles Martel calls off Battle of Tours. Decides to go home and let Muslims take over all of Europe.

Well I am glad that didn’t happen anyway.

Heckle on September 9, 2010 at 5:07 PM

The Florida pastor offered to cancel the burning, the mosque leadership offered to move. Deal done.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 5:07 PM

DUDE HE’S A HERO LOL

HE STOPPED THE BURNING AND THEY MOVED THE MOSQUE

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

WHOS THE HOSTAGESS NOW MOHAMMED!

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 5:07 PM

BREAKING: Charles Martel calls off Battle of Tours. Decides to go home and let Muslims take over all of Europe.

Well I am glad that didn’t happen anyway.

Heckle on September 9, 2010 at 5:07 PM

the imam gave up too. it’s a win-win i guess

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 5:07 PM

What if someone burned Qurans today and we did not know about it?

d1carter on September 9, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Now that you mention it, Shanksville PA doesn’t have a mosque…..yet.

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 5:08 PM

So the mosque move is official?

Vera on September 9, 2010 at 5:08 PM

and go on with our day of solemn remembrance of what truly matters this Saturday–Remembering those who lost their lives on 9/11/01.

THAT’S what’s really important.

JetBoy on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

JB, I’d say that sentiment is a shiny pearl of wisdom.

Gang-of-One on September 9, 2010 at 5:08 PM

I was just getting all enraged and stuff. And now it’s over.

Oh well. Back to RINO hunting.

faraway on September 9, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Does this pastor now remind anyone else of Bart Stupak? I think that was his name.

Heckle on September 9, 2010 at 5:09 PM

FLORIDA PASTOR SAYS DECISION FOLLOWS AGREEMENT TO MOVE SITE OF PLANNED NEW YORK ISLAMIC CULTURAL CENTER AND MOSQUE AWAY FROM GROUND ZERO

Hah, and God, er Obama, didn’t solve eiher!

Obama wins nothing.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2010 at 5:09 PM

That ignores the reason women have to wear burkas, because otherwise they’d be raped like uncovered meat (not sure about their sexual practices over there). How about we just send over some handguns to the women over there?

Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM

I think young boys have more to fear than uncovered women. Read about Afghani practices in this regard. Which makes me wonder – how exactly does one qualify as a “homosexual” to be burned over there?

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 5:09 PM

So wait, basically the calculus now is that you agree to our demands or we burn the Koran? If it’s that easy…

Vera on September 9, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Within hours, youtube will be filled with private Koran bar-be-que videos.

The hall is rented, the orchestra engaged. It’s now time to see if you can dance.

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Pastor: “How does my burnt a** taste?”

faraway on September 9, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Obama to Koran-burning pastor: Think of the troops

Standing up for freedom is always dangerous.

Paul-Cincy on September 9, 2010 at 5:10 PM

I’m still burning some Korans. I’m going to do it anonymously, but I’m going to do it and upload video to youtube. I think others should do the same.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 5:10 PM

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 5:07 PM

I’m stunned.

Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 5:10 PM

http://www.wesh.com/r/24945529/detail.html

Koran burning cancelled

William Amos on September 9, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Although, I will agree not to burn any korans if someone pays me $100,000.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 5:11 PM

the imam gave up too. it’s a win-win i guess

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 5:07 PM

The imam didn’t give up. He is playing Thimblerig.

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 5:11 PM

I can’t find any news stating the mosque is moving. Anyone have a link?

Monica on September 9, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Male Muslims over there are far more interested in raping young boys than women.

That’s just how they roll there and why so many of them are so screwed up.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM

I think young boys have more to fear than uncovered women. Read about Afghani practices in this regard. Which makes me wonder – how exactly does one qualify as a “homosexual” to be burned over there?

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Fair point. A friend who was stationed over there once spoke about how all the men gathered in a tent once a week or so to… well, enjoy each other. He was later told that women are for making babies, men are for recreation.

I don’t get it.

Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 5:12 PM

TRUMP. God, I love that bastard.

teacherman on September 9, 2010 at 5:12 PM

I won’t believe that they are moving the mosque until I watch Imam Rauf say it. Then, I still probably will not believe it.

kingsjester on September 9, 2010 at 5:12 PM

now chris matthews and lawrence odonell are calling the pastor a liar and saying “the pastor MUST have made this up. SURELY the mosque will still be built there! right???”

lol cry those tears!

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 5:13 PM

monkeytoe, if you burn any korans I will have a big bonfire and shout Death to Monkeytoe

faraway on September 9, 2010 at 5:13 PM

ABC NY

Florida pastor has called off plans to torch the Koran, claiming the Imam has agreed to move the mosque and Islamic center planned near ground zero.

However, the developer of the Islamic center and mosque says it’s not true.

“The Muslim Community Center called Park51 in Lower Manhattan is not being moved,” SoHo Properties said in a statement

William Amos on September 9, 2010 at 5:14 PM

monkeytoe, if you burn any korans I will have a big bonfire and shout Death to Monkeytoe

faraway on September 9, 2010 at 5:13 PM

And I will do great violence to some cheesecake.

Monica on September 9, 2010 at 5:14 PM

A partial list of people who’ve weighed in thus far on Terry Jones’s publicity stunt turned mega-clusterfark: The U.S. Secretary of State, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, the presidents of Afghanistan and Indonesia, the prime minister of Iraq, the home minister of India, the Pakistani ambassador to the U.S., the FBI, Interpol, the Vatican — and now, inevitably, the president of the United States.

That’s a gang rape/lynch mob if there ever was one. Many Goliaths against one David.

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 5:15 PM

The reaction to burning the Koran is what endangers our men and women in uniform (and everyone else). This is a crucial point, worth always bearing in mind when speech is met with violence. When you blame a speaker for the violent response to his speech, you absolve the violent actor of the moral choice he made in deciding to act.

Precisely. The whole world suffers from battered wife syndrome. The Islamafreaks say, “why you make me hurt you, baby? She made me do it w/the way she acts!”

JAM on September 9, 2010 at 5:15 PM

I’m still burning some Korans. I’m going to do it anonymously, but I’m going to do it and upload video to youtube. I think others should do the same.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 5:10 PM

In light of the news about the mosque, that just seems even more unnecessary.

Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 5:15 PM

HMM

Host company pulls plug on Florida pastor’s website

William Amos on September 9, 2010 at 5:16 PM

This is “the cops acted stupidly” Act II

Obama started this Alinsky crap and it got out of control.

faraway on September 9, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Fair point. A friend who was stationed over there once spoke about how all the men gathered in a tent once a week or so to… well, enjoy each other. He was later told that women are for making babies, men are for recreation.

I don’t get it.

Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Just shows that the more we think we’re different, the more we’re probably alike. Afghanistan men, Appalachian men, just no asking to “squeal like a pig”.

Jimbo3 on September 9, 2010 at 5:16 PM

CNN is reporting that Gates called Jones and asked him to call off burn. Jones is traveling to NY to talk to imam.

Monica on September 9, 2010 at 5:17 PM

So if the mosque doesn’t move the burning will continue?

Vera on September 9, 2010 at 5:17 PM

William Amos on September 9, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Cowards.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Seems odd Obama would have such a differing opinion about flaming Korans, than the GZ victory mosque, doesn’t it? He must know something we don’t.

tarpon on September 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM

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