Obama to Koran-burning pastor: Think of the troops

posted at 4:12 pm on September 9, 2010 by Allahpundit

A partial list of people who’ve weighed in thus far on Terry Jones’s publicity stunt turned mega-clusterfark: The U.S. Secretary of State, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, the presidents of Afghanistan and Indonesia, the prime minister of Iraq, the home minister of India, the Pakistani ambassador to the U.S., the FBI, Interpol, the Vatican — and now, inevitably, the president of the United States. What this is, basically, is a global hostage situation, and while Obama (and Petraeus, and Romney) is making a shrewd rhetorical move by framing this as a plea to protect the troops, the danger obviously goes far beyond that. You’re not seeing Indian ministers opine here because they care about U.S. soldiers, and needless to say, if there’s anyone in the world who’s capable of handling himself against a threat, it’s an American G.I. with a M-16. The real worry is that unarmed civilians are going to die somewhere — in Afghanistan or Europe or Indonesia or Africa or, heaven forbid, here at home — because there are now enough Muslim fundamentalists spread around the world that realistically no one is safe. The “do it for the troops” gambit is essentially just a clever smokescreen aimed at appealing to Jones’s sense of patriotism. And it might work: He told USA Today earlier that a direct request from Obama to stand down would “cause us definitely to think it over.” Well, here’s the official request, which might be followed by a phone call from The One himself to Jones. (How’s that for creating a perverse PR incentive?) Frankly, at this point, Jones might as well drop the idea and declare “victory.” If he’s trying to make a point about “the dangers of radical Islam,” he can just point to the list of hand-wringing statesmen above and declare that the point has already been made. No need to actually strike a match.

I’m not going to rehash my objection to criticizing free speech on grounds that it poses a risk to soldiers, so let me make a few other points instead. First, to Robert Gibbs: No, burning the Koran doesn’t go against “every one of our values.” Book-burning is a repulsive means of protest but it’s as much a First Amendment matter as flag-burning is. Breathe into a paper bag, Gibbsy. Second, to Obama (and Petraeus and Romney): No, burning the Koran does not “endanger our young men and women in uniform who are in Iraq, who are in Afghanistan.” The reaction to burning the Koran is what endangers our men and women in uniform (and everyone else). This is a crucial point, worth always bearing in mind when speech is met with violence. When you blame a speaker for the violent response to his speech, you absolve the violent actor of the moral choice he made in deciding to act. If you think it’s Jones, rather than some Taliban suicide bomber, who’s a mortal threat to the troops, then presumably you also think Theo Van Gogh got what was coming to him. After all, he knew the risk when he made “Submission,” right?

Third, as tempting as it is to blame the media for giving this crank a megaphone, I’m uncomfortable with doing so. Make no mistake, their behavior’s been typically loathsome. Clearly, they pursued this story in the wake of the Ground Zero mosque kerfuffle in order to buttress their pre-midterm “Islamophobia” narrative — but something went wrong on the way to page one. By calling attention to it, they brought it to the attention of fundies, and now suddenly the worldwide fretting about imminent violence makes the “Islamophobes” look a bit less crazy than before. So now, as Tom Maguire says, they’re trying to climb off the tiger: The AP announced today that it won’t distribute photos or audio of the Koran-burning (if it happens) while Fox News insists that it won’t cover the event at all. This is their way, however belatedly, of denying jihadis easy propaganda from the event. So why, given all that, is it wrong to blame the media? Well, for one thing, doing so would make the same mistake about moral choices that I warned of above. If Jake Tapper covers the Koran-burning and some jihadi filthbag sees the footage and blows someone’s head off in Islamabad, it ain’t Jake Tapper who pulled the trigger. Filthbags have moral agency just like everyone else. The deeper reason, though, is that blaming the media can only encourage them to censor themselves in the future for fear of offending Muslims. American newspapers have already largely suppressed the Mohammed cartoons, and Comedy Central has taken to bleeping Mohammed’s name on “South Park.” And now, already, we have Fox out-and-out refusing to cover news events lest some excitable fundie crank go berserk. Where do we draw that line?


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Beg dog.

BHO Jonestown on September 9, 2010 at 4:14 PM

..while I do NOT support the burning of the Koran..I would feel a whole lot better if this came from a POTUS who cared about the troops as well.

The War Planner on September 9, 2010 at 4:14 PM

This takes the cake. Obama is worried about the troops? Yeah he really showed concern when he was a Senator. Being against the surge really helped keep our troops safe s/

sandee on September 9, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Think of the troops. When did he pretend to care for the military?

The royal family was the supporters of Bill Ayers as a weatherman. Obama is phony.

seven on September 9, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Yeah, instead of bombing us Friday, they’ll bomb us on Thursday.

Ronnie on September 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM

They convinced me: I’m definitely burning a koran on 9/11.

How come HA didn’t link to Peretz lame post about how Obama should go to court and get an injunction against this church?

How come HA hasn’t announced Palin has endorsed O’Donnell?

Blake on September 9, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Did anyone (normal) say “Don’t do anything to offend the nazis?” Besides Chamberlain, that is. Here’s what harms the troops – caring what the enemy thinks.

Ronnie on September 9, 2010 at 4:17 PM

why does cnn keep asking if he is going to intervene? how would he or his admin intervene? i am no fan of what they are doing but what could be done to stop it? really dangerous territory i think…

alabudboy on September 9, 2010 at 4:17 PM

“Death to Christans!” = Un-provocative free expression.
Burning Old Glory = Un-provocative free expression.
“Death to America!” = Un-provocative free expression.
.
Burning Koran = Outrageous provocation!

ronsfi on September 9, 2010 at 4:18 PM

The real worry is that unarmed civilians are going to die somewhere — in Afghanistan or Europe or Indonesia or Africa or, heaven forbid, here at home — because there are now enough Muslim fundamentalists spread around the world that realistically no one is safe.

Oh, yes, because unarmed civilians were safe from Islamic radicals before this event.

Just ask the thousands who died on 9/11. Or the hundreds who would have died in Times Square had whatshisname been successful. Or those who died in London, Madrid, Russia, Bali, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the rest.

Anything but submission to Islam provokes a violent Islamic response. Next we’ll be pushing for a ban on Bibles because reading them might provoke Muslims into a violent response.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:18 PM

The troops are always endangered.

Obama raised the volume and the status of FL moron, who needed ego and flock inflated, and got his wish.

He burns Koran, West loses. He doesn’t burn Koran, West loses.

Muslims will continue to whine.

Elites will continue to be scared ping pong ball holders.

But, hey, Obama immediately after sent “congratulations” to all Muslims for the 9/11/10 Ramadan ending.

Now, media claim that “Obama agenda is held up by FL Koran burning”.

If left alone, or mocked, all imbeciles, from all quarters, from FL to Kabul, just wither.

Obama is a mega-idiot.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2010 at 4:18 PM

Think of the troops? Did Barry think of the troops when he was bowing to foreign leaders? Was he thinking of them when he accused them of air raiding villages and bombing civilians?

jimmy2shoes on September 9, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Where do we draw that line?

We don’t. Bow to your overlords or they’ll get violent!

lorien1973 on September 9, 2010 at 4:19 PM

O/T

Breaking – Palin endorses Christine O’Donnell for US Senate in Delaware!

UltimateBob on September 9, 2010 at 4:19 PM

When the match finally does make contact with the lighter-fluid, after all the hullabaloo, I think the show’ll probably be a bit anticlimactic. (They may even have to play this sound.)

Tzetzes on September 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

“The burning of the Koran will greatly endanger our troops, who have only a limited timeline before we start pulling them out, while having ROE that limit their ability to fire back at hostiles.”

Nethicus on September 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

as tempting as it is to blame the media for giving this crank a megaphone, I’m uncomfortable with doing so for two reasons.

Jones is a creation of the media. If he was ignored by all in the first place, his Koran burning party would have fizzled. The amount of attention that this guy is getting is disgusting on so many levels.

Unfortunately now it is too late. The genie is out of the bottle and the media whores will be to blame when blood gets shed over this idiot’s actions.

The only good that it may do is shine a light AGAIN on the perpetually outraged Muslims worldwide.

simkeith on September 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

How come HA hasn’t announced Palin has endorsed O’Donnell?

Because I was working on this story for an hour. Start your own blog if you don’t like how we prioritize posts.

Allahpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

They’re already out there rioting in the streets in Pakistan and Afghanistan.Our weakness is showing. This is exactly what they wanted.And furthermore the Iman wanting to build his peaceful mosque on hallowed ground more or less said if it is not allowed to be built we may be in danger of being attacked.We are being held hostage.

sandee on September 9, 2010 at 4:21 PM

My guess :
Hussain will use the powers of LEA
( FBI, US Marshalls, anything )
to please his fellow jihadies, he has to

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 4:21 PM

This from the same guy who took a pass on the resolution in the Senate condemning the MoveOn ad slandering Gen Petraeus.
7 Senators voted present on that, but I highly suspect Barry was out playing golf. He was one of them.

Just A Grunt on September 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Obama to Koran-burning pastor: Think of the troops

What is the over/under on how long it takes the conspiracists to offer this as further evidence he is a secret Muslim?

rukiddingme on September 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM

How’s about the Big O. holds a Dove World Outreach Center / Al Quaeda beer summit?

Tzetzes on September 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM

1) Allah you should tweet tapper or chuck Todd and ask them why “the obama administration” BURNING BIBLES sent to Afghanistan last May also “goes against our values” (I’d post the CNN link but it’s too long for wordpress)

2) Isn’t it ironic that the world EXPECTS Islam to blow stuff up? Doesn’t that, er, prove the pastors point?

3) I would bet AP/reuters/etc would publish it were a GOP president (see: Abu gharib)

4) the ironic thing is: virtually no “common man” American will be paying attention to this. From NFL to NCAAFb to 911 memorials, this weekend is booked

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM

BTW explain this
Thank God he was only preaching the Koran, not burning it.
Sunni cleric beheaded and set on fire.

Just A Grunt on September 9, 2010 at 4:24 PM

This is where I take issue with the whole controversy. Ok, I get that burning Korans(and making a spectacle out of it to boot) is over-the-top and disrespectful. But it appears that the main reason most folks are objecting to it is that it could incite violence from Muslims who take offense and in turn endanger the lives of innocent people.

So are we essentially saying as a society that we’ll go out of our way to avoid insulting Islam so as to not provoke a violent response? So far we’ve already censored South Park, the Danish Mohammed drawing, and added TV advisory warnings to shows like 24. Now we’re being told we can’t burn the Koran and that we have to allow the mosque to be built at Ground Zero. Where does this end? With the US becoming like Europe?

Doughboy on September 9, 2010 at 4:24 PM

When does “O” care about Soldiers?

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Where do we draw that line?

First I’d say don’t cover it

But now I say go ahead and show it, along with clips of some other guy burning a bible and a Torah, etc. THIS us the “tolerance” message the world should see right?

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 4:26 PM

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Here you go. Tapper actually covered it.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Jeez, I could kill a thousand furry puppies on Youtube & not get anywhere near this kind of hysterical reaction…

Church website shut down…

FBI PAYS PASTOR A VISIT…

Obama says call it off…

Then sends ‘best wishes’ to Muslims worldwide…

Vatican: ‘Outrageous’…

NYPD: ‘Dangerous’…

Holder: ‘Idiotic’…

Clinton: ‘Disgraceful’…

Palin: ‘Unnecessary provocation’…

FBI: Retaliation ‘Likely’…

INTERPOL issues global alert…

This is one nutty guy with a hundred copies of a book he bought and paid for.

Unreal.

Dorvillian on September 9, 2010 at 4:26 PM

When it comes to endangering the troops, this clown has nothing on Cindy Sheehan and the Code Pink crowd.

Curious when someone from the Obama Administration is going to tell them they should not do anything to encourage the enemy.

AndrewsDad on September 9, 2010 at 4:26 PM

I was working on this story for an hour.

Allahpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

And you did a wonderful job with it.

Really, I mean it …… don’t have a Fred Sanford heart attack.

Jerome Horwitz on September 9, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Doughboy on September 9, 2010 at 4:24 PM

I agree with you 100%

sandee on September 9, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Pffffft

Obama doesn’t care about the troops. More political theater from a bad actor.

Truth is that anything at all will get a whacked out muslim to start screaming and blowing themselves up.

“Dang! It’s raining! Kill the infidels!”

“My shoe is untied! Kill the infidels”

“My camel doesn’t love me anymore! Kill the infidels”

Etc

Etc

Guardian on September 9, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Now I’m going to burn a Koran just for spite and plaster it all over the internet. Screw all these dhimmi cowards.

SirGawain on September 9, 2010 at 4:27 PM

And, again, why would burning the Koran endanger the troops from members of “The Religion of Peace”… who
“seek only peaceful co-exist-ence…” (name the quote!)

Skywise on September 9, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Free speech is free speech. I just wonder if he is going to add “insult to injury” by roasting a pig over the open fire?
Another question is, will he be using gas or charcoal?

milwife88 on September 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

From Diana West -

(What the Four Schlamiels: Obama, Petraeus and Palin and Romney should have said:)

This is one pastor’s response to the 9/11 attacks, which need I remind you, were carried out in accordance with the Islamic teachings on jihad as sacralized in the Koran and other authoritative Islamic texts. It is this pastor’s right under the Constitution to express himself thus, and it is certainly not my role, nor the role of anyone else in the government, to try to stop him, or in any other way limit his freedom of expression, so long as it is lawfully expressed. I would ask that our Islamic friends in Pakistan, Indonesia and elsewhere, do their utmost to make their citizens aware of the fact that in the West, in America specifically, citizens have free speech rights that are inviolable, and indeed, form the basis for our Constitutional form of self-government. Even as our government has been engaged in a massive effort since 9/11 against jihad terrorism at home and in the Islamic world, in what has been an often tenuous partnership with Islamic allies, American citizens are understandably skeptical about the fact that the same Islamic ideology that animates our foes also animates our friends.

I suspect that this pastor’s demonstration springs in part from this same skepticism. His is a symbolic act that I must remind everyone harms no human being — which is not something we can say about horrifyingly frequent church burnings, persecutions of apostates, honor killings, attacks on metros and pizzarias and the like that we see go largely unremarked upon inside the Islamic world.

Coming up on this ninth anniversary of 9/11, I must be frank: It becomes particularly difficult to justify massive aid, both militrary and civilian (even including flood relief), to Islamic countries where, nightly, the TV news shows Americans footage of mobs burning American flags and effigies of this pastor and also myself. (Such incinerations, I must add, provoke no threat of violent American retaliation.) Please remember: The United States lost 3,000 citizens on 9/11 to jihad; since then we have seen more than 4,000 brave soldiers fall in Iraq and well over one thousand in Afghanistan, all in the same fight against this same ideology. To date, we have not seen reform within Islam that has in any eliminated, ameliorated or even acknowledged this continued threat. In truth, it strikes me as quite extraordinary that this small church in the Florida hinterlands is the only church whose pastor has chosen to stage this sort of symbolic demonstration. And in truth, as we mark the calamitous events of this week nine years ago, it would not surprise me to see more of the same if the continued reaction in the Islamic world is violence and mayhem coupled with demands for acquiesence and silence on a law-abiding American, well within his rights as a citizen of this Constitutional republic.

The Founding Fathers would absolutely love Diana West. Obama, Petraeus, Palin and Romney? They would probably say, “Why did we even bother”.

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Because I was working on this story for an hour. Start your own blog if you don’t like how we prioritize posts.

Allahpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Touchy.

Dorvillian on September 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

UltimateBob on September 9, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Go gather as many tongue depressors you can find. I’ll get the tape and start wrapping them. They are going to start seizing any second now.

Blake on September 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Amazing.

rollthedice on September 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Free speech is free speech. I just wonder if he is going to add “insult to injury” by roasting a pig over the open fire?
Another question is, will he be using gas or charcoal?

milwife88 on September 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

I would be surprised if he did it outside in a pit.. and then had a pig picking.

Hmmmmm, times a ticking.

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Welcome to Constantinople, 1452

Get ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I just went out back and burned some Korans and had a pig roast, boy was it good, you should try it!

mgt on September 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Excellent analysis, AP, with the exception that I still do not understand the fear towards book-burning. I understand that it evokes dark memories of Nazi Germany and other time periods, but when you consider the contents of the book…

I am well aware that makes the case for ‘arbitrary treatment’ of the issue rather than across-the-board fairness, but in truth, I’m okay with that. It is a horrific and murderous book… just like I’m infuriated with that manual on how to molest a child that’s horrifying people out in Florida. Freedom is so often used as an excuse for evil – common sense has to be applied sooner or later.

KinleyArdal on September 9, 2010 at 4:30 PM

I’m cross-posting this from another thread:

Frankly, I don’t think the president, or Patreaus, should have addressed the proposed book burning at all. It makes us look weak and makes it look like the U.S. is giving special dispensation to Islam.

Every time there is something controversial done regarding christianity, does the President or other high-ranking american official apologize in advance? What about other offensive conduct? Particularly when this is such a small scale event – a tiny church with a handful of followers.

Our official reaction to this – before it even happens – signals that our national policy is that we are afraid of muslims and will do anything we can to avoid offending them. This is not the right policy at all. this actually reinforces to the muslim world that their policy of violence and threats of violence is working (I will not say “radical” as it is the mainstream muslim world we are at odds with – the “moderates” are the minority and therefore the radicals within islam)

This event should have been ignored by the President. Or, if asked about it, he should simply have said that Americans have the freedom of speech and left it at that.

In fact, to take this further, I started as being opposed to the koran burning as silly and offensive for no reason. I am now growing to support the koran burning because it is illustrating a number of important things:
a) muslims are looking for an excuse to engage in violence; and

b) america is further down the path to dhimnitude than I even believed. Islam is being treated as above all other things – something that America as a whole must venerate and avoid giving offense to. So important that General Patreaus and President Obama must grovel to the muslim world in pre-apology for the act of some 30 citizens of a nation of 300+ million.

If I am caught on tape burning a koran tomorrow, will the President immediately give an interview condemning my action? Probably. I’m beginning to think we need to have a koran burning day where hundreds of korans are burned at hundreds of locations across the country, just to prove a point. I’m beginning to think that the nutty reverend is right. Just becasue he is a nut doesn’t mean he can’t be right about this.

I’m very, very offended by all the hand-wringing high-level officials are doing over this. It signals to me that Islam is now our state religion.

I say burn korans. Burn a koran a day. I am going to purchase a koran, burn it, film it, and upload it to youtube. Enough. I’ve had it. Screw muslim sensibilities. We need to offend them to the point where they stop noticing or start noticing how insane and violent they are. Enough. We are not an islam nation and islam offers us nothing. Enough with praising islam and protecting islam.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:30 PM

The Islamic fundies have been marching towards a major clash with the West for decades, and are winning many battles, often by just “nudging” us on the rules by which we civilized “tolerant” folks live. Eurabia is pretty much a lost cause at this point, and once Iran takes out Israel, it will be, as Mark Steyn so eloquently wrote, “America Alone”.

I’m no fan of Terry Jones, and I hope he backs down, but I also hope it wakes people up, in these incessant mosque-talk times, that the threat of radical Islamics still very real, and maybe moreso now than ever with Imam Obama’s apologizing for the Great Satan’s past “sins”.

ornery_independent on September 9, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Allahpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Considering the number of stories you post on her, it is evident that she is a priority to you — unless something positive comes out.

Blake on September 9, 2010 at 4:31 PM

I was working on this story for an hour.

Allahpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Very well written and thoughtful post by the way.

terryannonline on September 9, 2010 at 4:31 PM

What a shame and what’s next? If the imam of the proposed mosque at Ground Zero decides to build the mosque somewhere else to ease tensions on that issue, do we cave if world-wide demonstrations commence? Will we cave if the Muslims declare vengeance on our troops? Will we cave if more Muslims set our flag afire and shout “Death to America”? By not burning the Koran and letting the Ground Zero mosque be built, will all hostilities from the Muslims stop?

From all indications, my questions are already answered. The Muslims have not quite won the War on Terror, but they are winning many battles along the way. Our cowardice approach to the Koran burning is making me very ill to my stomach.

metroryder on September 9, 2010 at 4:32 PM

How come HA didn’t link to Peretz lame post about how Obama should go to court and get an injunction against this church?

How come HA hasn’t announced Palin has endorsed O’Donnell?

Blake on September 9, 2010 at 4:17 PM

How come your acting like a d-bag?

You can’t respond negatively either.

I might be a Muslim.

catmman on September 9, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Why hasn’t POTUS said that the Pastor has every right to burn these books? Guaranteed by the US Constitution?

If anyone hasn’t figured this out yet, this is a marvelously planned and executed exercise in exposing political hypocrisy, and was triggered by President Obortion’s speech to room full of Muslims where he said they had the right to build a Mosque just about anywhere they wanted to, even if it pissed off a whole bunch of people.

There’s more. Even before the match is lit on the bonfire, the Religion of Peace is already giving us a dose of their version of peace: “Kill all the Christians” and burning American flags in Afghanistan.

But we all know how that will be reported: “We made them riot and kill others…it’s our fault.” “Islam is a religion of peace”….until you offend them…then they have to kill you.

I say rock on, Pastor. Match in left hand, First Amendment in the right hand.

My message to offended Muslims comes from the US Supreme Court:

Justice William J. Brennan, Jr. asserted that “if there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable.”

Alahu Akbar

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Come Nov. 30+ percent will believe Obama is a Muslim and the media will blame the Tea Party and the 60+ percent who oppose the GZM and dare to chime in to this discussion.

That Obama did everything in the world to leave that impression, even if erroneous, escapes the fools, or provides them great alibis.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Excellent analysis, AP, with the exception that I still do not understand the fear towards book-burning. I understand that it evokes dark memories of Nazi Germany and other time periods, but when you consider the contents of the book…

I am well aware that makes the case for ‘arbitrary treatment’ of the issue rather than across-the-board fairness, but in truth, I’m okay with that. It is a horrific and murderous book… just like I’m infuriated with that manual on how to molest a child that’s horrifying people out in Florida. Freedom is so often used as an excuse for evil – common sense has to be applied sooner or later.

KinleyArdal on September 9, 2010 at 4:30 PM

The only time book burning is bad is a) when the gov’t does it because that is censorship; or b) when someone burns a book that does not belong to them; or c) when someone burns a book in an improper/dangerous place.

When someone burns a book that belongs to them on their own property – who cares? It hurts nobody, it is not censorship as the book is still available and it is not dangerous to anyone else’s property. It has no meanning oustide of the meaning you attach to it. You are simply burning paper. Particularly in today’s age where publishing is so cheap and simple. Maybe 150 years ago when there were only so many copies of any book due to the cost of publishing, then burning any book may have been morally bad. It is not a moral act now. It is burning paper. Nothing more.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:33 PM

This write-up is quintessential AP and why I continue to come back to this website. If there’s holes in that reasoning up there, I can’t see them.

jimmy the notable on September 9, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Andy McCarthy is well worth reading on this.

He also wrote this about Imam Rauf’s “precious concern for ‘our national security.’”

Drained Brain on September 9, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Isn’t this typical Liberal pablum?

Think of the children, er, troops, troops! Yeah, that’s the ticket!

Libs never blame the perpetrator. It’s always something else: Little Johnny had a bad childhood. Little Johnny is poor. Little Johnny didn’t kill anyone, the firearm did it, etc.

catmman on September 9, 2010 at 4:35 PM

BREAKING: Donald Trump offers to buy-out main investor in NYC mosque, AP reports.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:35 PM

I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

BTW, Alexis de Tocqueville also said, No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country.

Obama, Petraeus, Palin and Romney are endangering the freedom of a democratic country – ours! And for what? Mullah’s hemorrhoid Afghanistan. Why did they even bother. King George would have been better than this lot.

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM

1 – The troops already have targets on them. If the situation will get worse b/c a meaningless pastor performs a meaningless act, and WE are not ready to support our troops and turn them loose on attackers, get them out of there now.

2 – Obama hypocracy strikes again –
Case 1 Mosque issue – there is a constitutional right to build it and practice your faith, regardless of the feelings of others
Case 2 Dumb pastor issue – Hey, don’t do that. We can’t upset the Islamists.

3 – The Islamists say things will get SO MUCH worse for us if we burn Korans, or don’t build Islamist recruitment centers. And they will not, right now, denounce the “anticipated” escalation. What does this say about “the religion of peace and compasion”?

4 – Are these Islmistic apologists going to guarantee there will be no more loss of American blood from Islamic attacks if we build the recuitment center and stop the Koran burning?

gonnjos on September 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM

How about they just have a weenie roast with scantily clad chicks and beer?

Oh, OK.

Is there anything that doesn’t offend Muslims?

I mean besides body odor.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM

BREAKING: Donald Trump offers to buy-out main investor in NYC mosque, AP reports.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Won’t happen, but gotta give Trump some credit.

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM

A pig picking with bacon on it. Pork chops wrapped in bacon, pork and beans with bacon, pasta salad with bacon bits, and a veggie tray for the kids with bacon ranch dip. I am so there!!!!

This is so stupid. No matter what we do or don’t do THEY STILL WANT TO KILL US!!!! Stop appeasing them, it’s NOT working and it’s only making us look weak. “F” em. Bacon for everyone!!!!! Instead of dropping bombs DROP PIGS!!! WAR WON!

(sorry….bad mood today)

milwife88 on September 9, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Won’t happen, but gotta give Trump some credit.

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM

The developer has already offered to sell.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Is there anything that doesn’t offend Muslims?

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Women. Women in any sort of power or without a hajib.

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

“How come” HA this and that inquiries and ‘fights’ s/b handled via e-mail. Use the tips@hotair.com e-address to take care of yer complaints, brilliant ideas and etc.

This is a place where we are all guests. Refreshing this idea will prevent thread-jacking.

Share off topics by marking them so – it might awe and benefit the other guests. Other than that, consider just moving along or on. Plenty of threads or other sites to be frustrated or entertained with.

Just a thought…

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Welcome to Constantinople, 1452

picklesgap on September 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I’m no friend of Islam, but balance 1453 with 1204. Christians can bring black days too.

Tzetzes on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Another question is, will he be using gas or charcoal?

milwife88 on September 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Bacon fat. Buckets of it.

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

So do muslims / jihadies promise to STOP killing Jews and Christians and Hindus and Buddhists
if this Pastor does not burn a koran ?

Does Hussain promise that if this Pastor backs off, Hussain will make sure NO Bible or US flag is EVER burned by muslims ? Can he get us that guarantee from his fellow muzzies…since its the religion of peace and stuff

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

There goes our president, bowing again.

Pathetic!

PattyJ on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Is there anything that doesn’t offend Muslims?

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM
Women. Women in any sort of power or without a hajib.

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

wow I totally read that wrong! need more coffee.

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Wotta crock! As if the jihadis aren’t killing as many soldiers/civilians as they possibly can 24/7!
Move the mosque? Violence! Burn the koran? Violence! Insult the false pervert of a prophet with a cartoon? Violence!

I say, Death to islam, free the muslims! End the slavery of the religion of Blood and Death!

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it!

Army Brat on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

I don’t like the way women drive either, so we have some common ground there, let’s build on that.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:39 PM

milwife88 on September 9, 2010 at 4:37 PM

mmmmm bacon. bacon dripping bisquits. Okay now I am tired and hungry!

The developer has already offered to sell.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Yeah but who would be the idiot who would offer their building up for the next one? You know it is going to happen.

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Won’t happen, but gotta give Trump some credit.

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Maybe, but we’ll see just how serious the Egyptian owner of the property was when he said “Anyone who has 18, 20 million dollars can have it. I just want to make some money!” – paraphrasing.

catmman on September 9, 2010 at 4:40 PM

If the Muslim world goes beserk over this, it will tell us a lot…..

……about the Muslim world.

BillyRuffn on September 9, 2010 at 4:40 PM

This whole “Burn a Koran” thing has really, really gotten out of hand. I mean, the President of the United States getting personally involved in this? Obama fell neatly into this “preacher’s” trap. What a clusterfark.

So this idiot in Florida gets a personal appeal from the President…and yet there are wounded servicemen in VA hospitals across the country and the world who could hardly get a general shout out, but this preacher tool pulls Obama’s strings for…”Burn a Koran Day”. Awesome.

Let the dooshie burn his Korans. The best the rest of us sane Americans can do is flip him the bird, call him an arse, and go on with our day of solemn remembrance of what truly matters this Saturday–Remembering those who lost their lives on 9/11/01.

THAT’S what’s really important.

JetBoy on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

I don’t like the way women drive either, so we have some common ground there, let’s build on that.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:39 PM

How about we agree to put our ugly women in burkas if they allow their hot women to wear less?

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

AP, that was a great post. I Couldn’t agree more with your thoughts. Where do we draw the line? I have no clue.

Weight of Glory on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

BillyRuffn on September 9, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Goes?

That camel train left the station many moons ago, amigo.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

So if we don’t want the Army to burn Bibles, we have to behead people? Nice precedent you’re setting libs.

Iblis on September 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

No, burning the Koran does not “endanger our young men and women in uniform who are in Iraq, who are in Afghanistan.” The reaction to burning the Koran is what endangers our men and women in uniform (and everyone else).

Great, great point AP. Really important point.

You directed the problem to its source.

SteveMG on September 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

A cynical part of me wonders if this was part of the plan all along. NY Daily News:

Park51 developers paid $4.8 million for half the site last year and have already received offers for three times that price.

Buy the property, outrage people enough to be willing to pay three times the price to get rid of you, and profit.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

The troops and U.S. Citizens, freedom altogether, will be even more threatened if Obama and his henchmen, FBI already visiting, Holder already rubbing palms together, etc., will stop the coconut from FL from himself.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

How about we agree to put our ugly women in burkas if they allow their hot women to wear less?

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

because beauty if skin deep. And I would love to see you in a burka. But you are thinking hajib…

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

BREAKING: Donald Trump offers to buy-out main investor in NYC mosque, AP reports.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:35 PM

I hope Trump doesn’t pay more than $ 4.8 mil for that property…since thats what it was sold for to the current owner. Also the original sellers rejected an offer of
$18 mil to sell it at $ 4.8 mil !!! Let all those who made up the difference by hawala be investigated by IRS

macncheez on September 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

That’s the kind of cross-cultural outreach that should be encouraged.

Unfortunately, our state department is headed by a frumpy moron with no imagination.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:43 PM

How about we agree to put our ugly women in burkas if they allow their hot women to wear less?

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Appeaser. But I like your thinking here.

BobMbx on September 9, 2010 at 4:43 PM

You directed the problem to its source.

Er, directed us to the cause of the problem. I.e, not the burning but the irresponsible reaction to the burning.

SteveMG on September 9, 2010 at 4:43 PM

JetBoy on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Agreed. +100

terryannonline on September 9, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Where were all these people when the American flag was being burned by illegal Mexicans ?

Why do the tolerant muslims allow the seizure and burning of bibles taken from AMERICAN SOLDIERS ?

I think the Fire Dept will try and stop the burning
Can one not burn a Qur’an on ones BBQ grille ?
Why doesnt the ” freedom of religion ” that protects the GZM people but not the pastor ?

Where was Hillary , Obama , and others when efigy’s of BUSH were burned ?
HYPOCRISY

I say let him burn them , and if muslims try to kill him so be it.
These ANIMALS do not need a reason to kill our soldiers or citizens other than we are Christan and or white .

Let the chips fall where they may .
If Illegal aliens can burn our FLAG on May 5th , then whats the big deal here ?
Anyone remember the billboards in MIami in the 80s’s
” will the last American leaving please bring our flag “

ELMO Q on September 9, 2010 at 4:43 PM

because beauty if skin deep. And I would love to see you in a burka. But you are thinking hajib…

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Yes, beauty is skin deep, but I still like looking at it. And, I definitely could use a burka these days or a hajib, whatever covers the whole body. Need to get to the gym.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:44 PM

NYPOST: Part of Trump’s offer is a condition that any other mosque built by the developers would be located at least five blocks away from Ground Zero.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Palin just endorsed ODonell

http://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/24038871917

True_King on September 9, 2010 at 4:44 PM

BREAKING: Donald Trump offers to buy-out main investor in NYC mosque, AP reports.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Now, this is brilliant marketing for Trump et co. and now let’s see if developer is true to his word, that it was just an “investment” and he’ll give it up. Trump would win a perfect spot and all other w/b for history books.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Is there anything that doesn’t offend Muslims?

I mean besides body odor.

NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Awesomeness!!! LMAO!

ornery_independent on September 9, 2010 at 4:45 PM

I say burn korans. Burn a koran a day. I am going to purchase a koran, burn it, film it, and upload it to youtube. Enough. I’ve had it. Screw muslim sensibilities. We need to offend them to the point where they stop noticing or start noticing how insane and violent they are. Enough. We are not an islam nation and islam offers us nothing. Enough with praising islam and protecting islam.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 4:30 PM

The Koran is a deadly serious instruction manual for Muslims on bringing subjugation, death and Lord of the Flies Hell to the whole world. It makes Mein Kampf look like a mere child’s book of Fairytales by comparison. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. So many today, in their refusal to see the obvious about Islam, make those back in the thirties who refuse to see the obvious about Nazism, look absolutely brilliant by contrast.

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 4:45 PM

NYPOST: Part of Trump’s offer is a condition that any other mosque built by the developers would be located at least five blocks away from Ground Zero.

amerpundit on September 9, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Ahhh a contingency. If they do then??? I would love to see that offer!

upinak on September 9, 2010 at 4:45 PM

I’m so mad at everyone involved in this clusterf*ck. Do I agree with burning the Koran? No! But the guy can do it, and extremists are always going to latch onto some excuse to hurt people! Have people not figured it out yet?! These are crazy motherf*ckers who would blow themselves up if they got cut in line at the f*cking Starbucks! So, burn the damn Koran, or don’t burn it, or do whatever the f*ck you want, I DON’T CARE ANYMORE!

Emily M. on September 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Thanks AP, you made exactly the point I wanted to make. Why are we suggesting that the Pastor is responisble for the deaths of anyone? He isn’t pulling the trigger. It’s the fault of the people who massively over-react and kill some one.

Have we forgotten this?

Vera on September 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM

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