Jobless claims drop on estimated numbers
posted at 2:00 pm on September 9, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Earlier today, the Department of Labor announced that the number of initial jobless claims dropped 27,000 from last week’s figures, which the AP reported as a “two-month low” in the weekly figure. That is accurate, but hardly significant over the long haul, as it falls well within the range of initial jobless claim figures for the entire year. The new data has been included in this chart showing the reported IJC figures in 2010:
Also, Bloomberg notes that these figures do not come entirely from state reports, as usually happens. Since the Labor Day holiday kept government offices closed, nine states didn’t have their claim figures ready in time for the DoL. Instead, California and Virginia estimated their claims, and the DoL estimated the claims for seven other states — in other words, made educated guesses as to the actual number of claims. Zero Hedge picked this up, as did Drudge.
That shouldn’t surprise anyone, nor should a dip around a holiday. Looking at the chart above, the last significant downward data point came in July — in the week after July 4th. Holidays tend to disrupt this indicator even when seasonally adjusted. It’s worth noting that the low figure after Independence Day did not get adjusted upward, but the following week showed an upward move back to more or less the 2010 norm. The government does a lot of estimating in economic indicators, and this isn’t necessarily off the mark; in fact, it looks like a rather safe bet on Labor’s part.
It’s also not the good news that the AP reports, as it more or less hits that year-long average number. In order to get good news, we’d have to see something significantly below the range that 2010′s economy has produced, much closer to the 325,000 figure that would indicate real job creation in significant numbers. The difference between 451K and 470K is 4.2%, not exactly an indicator of large movement in job retention.
This did overshadow some mildly good news in exports, however:
The U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, through the Department of Commerce, announced today that total July exports of $153.3 billion and imports of $196.1 billion resulted in a goods and services deficit of $42.8 billion, down from $49.8 billion in June, revised. July exports were $2.8 billion more than June exports of $150.6 billion. July imports were $4.2 billion less than June imports of $200.3 billion.
In July, the goods deficit decreased $7.0 billion from June to $55.2 billion, and the services surplus was virtually unchanged at $12.5 billion. Exports of goods increased $2.8 billion to $107.7 billion, and imports of goods decreased $4.2 billion to $162.9 billion. Exports of services were virtually unchanged at $45.6 billion, and imports of services were virtually unchanged at $33.2 billion.
The goods and services deficit increased $9.7 billion from July 2009 to July 2010. Exports were up $23.7 billion, or 18.3 percent, and imports were up $33.4 billion, or 20.5 percent.
The month-on-month change in exports was 1.8%, a decent but hardly explosive or indicative of a resurgent economy. At least it moved in the right direction after a loss of 1.3% the previous month. The trade imbalance also improved 14%, not quite making up the 18% loss from June.
We will see whether the DoL correctly estimates the initial jobless claims in next week’s revised numbers, but it doesn’t look as though this estimate is out of line. It’s also noteworthy for its utter unremarkable nature.










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What.. no redhead?
upinak on September 9, 2010 at 2:04 PM
This looks like statistical noise to me. And no sign of anything other than the doldrums we’ve been experiencing for years now.
WitchDoctor on September 9, 2010 at 2:04 PM
I knew it was too good to be true! More fuzzy math from dc! I, frankly do not believe one word about the ecomony, or maybe anything, from this bho and team.
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letget on September 9, 2010 at 2:06 PM
The only good news is fake news.
faraway on September 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM
From the zero hedge link:
Anyone know where one could verify this ? There seems to be no data or link on zerohedge except to bloomberg but that link is just the press announcement.
gh on September 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM
She moved to Russia. You know, where all the jobs are now.
Bishop on September 9, 2010 at 2:09 PM
With the summer season coming to a close, you can bet unemployment numbers will rise next week.
Wonder where those 500,000 new jobs each month during the Summer of Recovery actually turned out. Any word from Joey Biden? I’m sure he’s ready to call it a smashing success.
GarandFan on September 9, 2010 at 2:11 PM
CHANGE!Same.Good Lt on September 9, 2010 at 2:11 PM
So, good news, Dems! Celebrate!
Watch the Dems dance. With their eyes closed. Right next to a cliff.
Bat Chain Puller on September 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Notice the only time claims drop is on a 4 day work week. Gee, I wonder why!
lorien1973 on September 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM
We would need that number every month for three years just to get back to 2008 levels of employment.
Vashta.Nerada on September 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM
People are giving up or running out of benefits.
portlandon on September 9, 2010 at 2:14 PM
“gh on September 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM”
Check out the dol.gov and bls.gov web sites. The actual report is up on DoL.
Ed is probably correct, but I never trust “guestimates” especially when the “guestimators” are known propagandists.
I am referring to someone who said the other day that the jobs are “out there.”
dogsoldier on September 9, 2010 at 2:15 PM
Sooner, rather than later, I would expect that these numbers will begin to drop simply because many firms have reached the critical employee numbers where the next option is to close the doors.
Yoop on September 9, 2010 at 2:17 PM
“Vashta.Nerada on September 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM”
With no further job losess. What we are seeing is more and more companies migrating their work to other countries.
So in reality we may never see those jobs again.
dogsoldier on September 9, 2010 at 2:18 PM
utterly awkward.
sesquipedalian on September 9, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Unexpecti-estimated!
BacaDog on September 9, 2010 at 2:23 PM
The very last job interview that I was even considered for, consisted of a “speed dating” meeting. It lasted less than 2 minutes. Hordes of applicants were in the lobby and stood in a line outside the door. One woman, from an adjoining state, drove all night; had already lost her home in California. This job was simple, data entry, short-term employment. Definably, a piranha type atmosphere. It’s bad. I have completely given up on “office” jobs. Willing to work in any industry, day or night.
betsyz on September 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Recovery Summer…at last!
Wyznowski on September 9, 2010 at 2:25 PM
How you doin?
lorien1973 on September 9, 2010 at 2:28 PM
definably.
betsyz on September 9, 2010 at 2:29 PM
Not good. At all.
betsyz on September 9, 2010 at 2:29 PM
This is only good news if BOTH numbers go up, but exports go up faster. When BOTH drop and the gap increases you are seeing a decline in both overseas purchasing of American goods AND in Americans buying overseas goods.
This report shows that overseas economies are improving, but ours is declining. The improvement in exports is not significant enough to compensate for a decrease in purchases here though.
PastorJon on September 9, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Jobs created numbers are up and jobless claim numbers are down. Welcome to Obmalala land.
Kissmygrits on September 9, 2010 at 2:31 PM
This growing field in the heating and cooling sector could be promising for someone with the initiative.
http://cms.bsu.edu/About/Geothermal.aspx
fourdeucer on September 9, 2010 at 2:38 PM
When a person, like me, who is loyal, on-the-spot, on time, with no excuses, gets the job done, works overtime, no tattoos, refuses any cell-phone interference, no Internet access (even through breaks) can’t even come close to getting a job, well, I don’t know.
betsyz on September 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM
Well it WILL be revised downward .
Of course it’s a BOGUS number , but ” the one ” is at 41% and democorrupts are fleeing like rats from a sinking ship .
Just another bold calculated move hoping something anything ( could it be time for JOBS SAVED via school teachers?)will happen by the time the numbers get revised .
The really bad news is that it appears we have a BOND bubble , and the the YEN is trading at 83 and change .
If RETAIL spending cant ROCKET on 83 yen what would the ” RECOVERY ” be like at a 99YEN to 1 USD?
Back to school spending was down , and now we have STATE FAIR’S concluding and they suck $$ from local economies .
Health insurance rates are due at for MOST in October so I doubt ANYONE would be hiring to they get a glimpse of that?
BY THE WAY ? what is the ” must have ” for the Christmas season ? TV? IPAD? ..nope evreyone has those already seems like the Santa Claus rally is taking a holiday this year also
ELMO Q on September 9, 2010 at 2:45 PM
a big chunk of the trade deficit reduction came from the sales of US-made airplanes. Those aren’t a stable input; when you make a sale there’s an up-spike, and when you don’t make a sale there’s a down-spike.
From WSJ:
So we sold $1b+ worth of planes, a pretty significant part of the $3b increase from June.
hawksruleva on September 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM
I know a painter who is trying hard to find good help, and an electrician who can’t find enough qualified employees to meet demand. There’s jobs out there, if folks are willing to take them.
hawksruleva on September 9, 2010 at 2:53 PM
The only thing that Obama has said that was not a lie, misinformed or irrelevant and that I recall was that he is not concerned with very short term variations in the stock market. The same is true for jobless claims.
burt on September 9, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Looks like it’s about 60% right. California, Illinois and Michigan guessed (or the Fed guessed for them) and they showed decreases but Iowa and Maryland didn’t and they also showed decreases.
The full list of Fed-estimated states is: DC, Illinois, Idaho, Hawaii, Oklahoma, Michigan, and Washington. California and Virginia estimated themselves
The largest increases in initial claims for the week ending Aug. 28 were in New York (+4,891), Florida (+1,886), Nevada (+1,052), Oregon (+828), and Texas (+742), while the largest decreases were in California (-4,127), Illinois (-2,114), Iowa (-813), Michigan (-599), and Maryland (-550).
Jimbo3 on September 9, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Food.
Vashta.Nerada on September 9, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Thanks … i found my way to BLS as dogsoldier suggested.
gh on September 9, 2010 at 3:04 PM
We are now using unicorn dust to run the country with.
tarpon on September 9, 2010 at 3:06 PM
Most likely, every single person, who has more qualifications than I could ever imagine, I’m not even close to the same league, are being abruptly dismissed. It is now, a fool’s game.
betsyz on September 9, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Yeah, just like when the electric company used to do estimates on my usage instead of reading the meter …..
November (estimate) …. hey, not so bad
December (estimate) …. hey, just like last month
January (estimate) …. excellent, I’m doing good
February (actual meter reading, adjusted with low readings from the last three months) … Holy crap !!! Everybody turn off those extra lights NOW !!!
Jerome Horwitz on September 9, 2010 at 3:18 PM
I wish I could find one Judge who felt “If it’s good enough for the Gov., It’s good enough for the common man” and have him hear my IRS case.
I can see this now “I’m sry but MR. B estimated that the gov owes him 25 billion dollar refund. Pay now or pay a 25% daily fine”
BruceB on September 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Okay. Here I am. I am quite attractive, so they say, but henceforth I do not believe this is true, do to the Freudian types,who call out other reasons.. I realize this is one issue that keeps coming up throughout every thread. I have gone on multiple web-sites and have oberved the same exact reactions from the male population. As a woman, I don’t care I’m just trying my darnedest to get an income. Men: The ONLY place that actually offers me a job. Women: Never.
betsyz on September 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM
There has been a problem with our educational outlook via the way it has been funded. As it was summed up our policy is: ‘No Child Left Behind – Every Child Must Go To College’.
The result is the higher education bubble and the stifling and strangling of the vocational school systems. These systems prepare one for a work in a trade via manual skills and these are necessary trades to keep our infrastructure repaired. Consider simple welding: we are running out of welders. That includes the women who started welding in the ’70s to do metal sculpture and are now available for doing things like helping to repair bridges. I can’t remember the estimate, but 1/3 of all public works projects are delayed or re-scheduled not due to the lack of steel, concrete, etc. but due to the lack of welders for steel reinforcement work and laying I-beams for bridges.
This is duplicated across all the tradescrafts with electrician and plumber being pretty high on the list, but including HVAC personnel and even such simple things as bricklaying. While the Left moans about the state of the infrastructure they are unwilling to fund the educational systems necessary for such trade crafts and prefer college over that… even when you can be earning a decent living just one to two years after learning a trade and becoming a journeyman. Because of the low outlay of cost to gain such skills, they get a higher payback, earlier, allowing for investment and even the creation of one’s own company. Yet the manual trades get the shortest of shrift in preference to a four year degree.
Now young adults who already have a four year degree are going to trade schools to learn a trade as there are some actual jobs available in the trade crafts. Get a decent skill necessary to fixing our parent’s and grand parent’s public infrastructure, and you have a job for life. And a decent paying one with steady work, to boot, even in down times as cities must keep infrastructure repaired… or suffer the consequences. We are now suffering the consequences. Getting trained won’t turn the economy around, but it may afford a segment of the population actual decent jobs so that when we do get a recovery we can actually sustain it with new infrastructure.
Just like in the military where the amateurs talk strategy and tactics, the professionals talk logistics.
Infrastructure is pure logistics. We don’t have the people to keep it up, and thus no matter what the strategy is to get us out of this recession/depression we will not have the ability to robustly grow our way out of it nor repair the old stuff that hasn’t been fixed. This top-down garbage must go: it is impoverishing us now and in the future.
ajacksonian on September 9, 2010 at 3:35 PM
Good luck with that! Both parties have been pushing their own versions of “trickle down” economics for decades. Thing is, the ‘trickling’ is the elite taking a pi$$ on the rest of us. Only difference is who’s doing it.
Dark-Star on September 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Some of our ladies should post their pretty pics. Advertise for a Russian husband. After he buys vodka, they can still have a better life than here.
If you are going to live under communism, it is more authentic over there.
seven on September 9, 2010 at 3:53 PM
Well, Didn’t the speaker say that unemployment benefits are the best way to stimulate the economy?
Maybe we should all get fired.
Ask anyone in human resources about academic qualifications. There used to be two or three job offers for every Law or Business grad. Now all the tiny joints have business programs and established law firms are dropping depth charges to keep new guys from getting settled.
Then we have Mrs. Obama, not to be outdone by Pelosi, encouraging kids to go into community service. There will probably be a lot of demand for that after major parts of the country start to look like Allentown, PA or Port Au Prince, Haiti.
By the way, The One is not exactly loved in either the ninth ward or St. Bernard’s Parish. I have been there.
IlikedAUH2O on September 9, 2010 at 3:57 PM
*Sigh*
Just finished adding myself to the initial jobless claim statistic. How depressing.
Count to 10 on September 9, 2010 at 3:58 PM
You do realize that a reduction in the “trade deficit” means that investors are losing confidence in the US economy and dollar, right?
The trade deficit is equivalent to the investment surplus.
Count to 10 on September 9, 2010 at 4:10 PM
seven on September 9, 2010 at 3:53 PM
See. I don’t like this implication at all. 99.9% of the time I’m agreeing with you……so I’ll take this one, lapse of judgment, you’ve forgotten your sarc tag.
betsyz on September 9, 2010 at 5:37 PM