Video: On Iraq, better get on our knees and pray

posted at 11:36 am on September 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

“The war in Iraq is not over,” warns New York Times reporter John Burns, who as Cubachi notes was one of the best war correspondents in the field during combat phase in Iraq.  He tells Tavis Smiley on PBS that we had better start praying for divine intervention, because the trajectory of violence has gone the wrong way this year while we have drawn down our troop presence to 50,000 outside of the cities.  Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are succeeding at the moment, Burns claims, and by next year Obama may be faced with a situation where he’ll have to pull troops out of two fronts as they collapse:

On Iraq, it’s hard to see how Obama could have improved the situation. He followed the SOFA pact that George W. Bush negotiated with Nouri al-Maliki, and the Iraqi government made it clear they wanted us to stick to that schedule. If the Iraqis want us out entirely by the end of next year, we have little choice but to comply; to do otherwise would be a de facto reoccupation that will not fly well here at home or abroad.  However, I’d say it’s entirely likely that Baghdad will rethink that final phase and ask us to remain for logistics, training, and air and sea protection for the next several years, and then the question will be whether Obama will agree to it or insist on a full withdrawal, even if it means the collapse of the nascent democracy in Iraq.

Afghanistan is a different problem, but one with potentially the same result.  Obama owns Afghanistan more than he does Iraq, having made the decision himself to add more troops and get more aggressive, which means a failure there can’t be left on the doorstep of his predecessor.  If Obama starts withdrawing from both fronts as they deteriorate, he will at least be the man who lost Afghanistan, if not Iraq as well, just as he has to prepare to convince Americans to give him another four years as Commander-in-Chief.  For that reason, I doubt we’ll see a significant drawdown in either theater, and Obama will just have to remind the Left that they have nowhere else to go in 2012.

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This can read as a failure of “nation-building” as much as anything.

mankai on September 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

We are only one Dien Ben Phu or Tet offensive away from Obama’s complete surrender to Islam.

One major offensive, and Kattie Curic Earnestly Emoting into the camera to say, ‘this war is lost’, and Obama will bail out.

Skandia Recluse on September 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

“We wont be fooled again.”

LOL.

Classic. Classic rock that is. Comedy gold.

Church

y2church on September 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

I do pray daily for our military and their families.
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letget on September 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Obama is getting smoked on domestic policy…he might as well get crushed on foreign policy too. As the wheels rapidly start coming off his administration, expect things to get very ugly.

Wyznowski on September 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Is Obama even going to want a second term? The job’s not all golf vacations and “diplomacy” junkets like he thought.

RBMN on September 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Nothing here a community organizer can’t handle.

mankai on September 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

That is how I see it. I just don’t have much confidence in the non-jews in the Middle East to make sound decisions as a culture. Other than Islam, I just can’t put my finger on what makes them such a trainwreck. They seem to love to be slapped around by their leaders, and lack the vision to help themselves.

saiga on September 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM

If Al Maliki were smart he would have a couple of 5 star golf courses built in Iraq, that would guarantee PBHO would want to keep troops there to protect him while he hits the links.

Bishop on September 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Ed stole this headline from The Who :)

I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
No, no!

faraway on September 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Ed M.: “If Obama starts withdrawing from both fronts as they deteriorate, he will at least be the man who lost Afghanistan, if not Iraq as well, just as he has to prepare to convince Americans to give him another four years as Commander-in-Chief. For that reason, I doubt we’ll see a significant drawdown in either theater, and Obama will just have to remind the Left that they have nowhere else to go in 2012.”

While I concur with you on the latter on Obama’s narcisissm – thinking that “he’s all that” for the Dems – I can well imagine Obama taking troops out of both countries, and having the press back it up with Greek Chorus chants of “it was a bad, wrong war, after all.”

Lockstein13 on September 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM

He followed the SOFA pact

Well, now he is the SOFA King, and we are all SOFA King tired.

(with apologies to Saturday Night Live)

YYZ on September 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Sweet Jesus, that hair!

SurferDoc on September 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM

We are only one Dien Ben Phu or Tet offensive away from Obama’s complete surrender to Islam.

You can’t surrender to your own team.

BobMbx on September 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Ed stole this headline from The Who :)

I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new r evolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
No, no!

faraway on September 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Ed, if you’re gonna use a Who reference, why did you put up a pic of Jerry Garcia ??

Jerome Horwitz on September 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Obama is getting smoked on domestic policy…he might as well get crushed on foreign policy too. As the wheels rapidly start coming off his administration, expect things to get very ugly.

Don’t forget his 300-person foreign policy team! It’s their fault. Or Bush’s. But not his.

BobMbx on September 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Obama will just have to remind the Left that they have nowhere else to go in 2012.

Like many conservatives in 2008, the left always has the option of “not going” or just staying home. Sauce for the goose…

Extrafishy on September 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Ed, if you’re gonna use a Who reference, why did you put up a pic of Jerry Garcia ??

Jerome Horwitz on September 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM

This may stand as the Comment of the Day, unless Allah gives us some Palin red meat.

BobMbx on September 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM

OK, I’m slow.

faraway on September 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM

The enemy is just tickled knowing that we think the war is over.

shick on September 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Since he just took credit for Iraq in a prime time speech I think he does own it.

ldbgcoleman on September 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM

the trajectory of violence has gone the wrong way this year

Is this Bush’s fault? Or are we finally far enough into the Obama administration that he can no longer deflect his shortcomings?

Tommy_G on September 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM

It is a Greek Tragedy watching the Left try to explain (and promote) Obama’s hapless, duplicitous, unreliable command of the U.S. military as to the Middle East, Afghanistan, Indonesia…Asia in general.

Obama is not capable of — and lacks commitment adequate to be capable of — defending the U.S.A. and protecting U.S. interests (includes our Allies and their interests) in the “Middle Easter/Asian” belt.

And watching the Left try to make sense of this duplicitous refusal of leadership for the U.S. by Obama is pitiful. It’s pitiful.

Lourdes on September 8, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Obama is getting smoked on domestic policy…he might as well get crushed on foreign policy too. As the wheels rapidly start coming off his administration, expect things to get very ugly.

Don’t forget his 300-person foreign policy team! It’s their fault. Or Bush’s. But not his.

BobMbx on September 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

The truth is worse.

Lourdes on September 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

What, is this the week for people in the news to be invoking the words of 60s rock legends?

First 0bama invokes Hendrix, now this from a guy who looks like Graham Chapman of Monty Python.

UltimateBob on September 8, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Any failure will be blamed on Bush.

albill on September 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM

This can read as a failure of “nation-building” as much as anything.

mankai on September 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Yup.

Nation-building is the most prominent — and most important — part of the neocon doctrine,” wrote Jed Babbin in the American Spectator. “And the decision to pursue it is the principal reason that we are losing in Afghanistan, Iraq is falling apart, and the real enemy — the terror-sponsoring nations — have grown stronger.”

None of these writers can accurately be described as a budding noninterventionist. But most conservatives who opposed the Iraq War from the beginning and favored no more than a limited mission in Afghanistan can agree with them on the following: neither Islam nor foreign lands can easily be reformed by either bureaucrats or the force of arms;…

Rae on September 8, 2010 at 12:01 PM

I hate to go there, but if after 8 years both places are still a colossal Islamic mess… is there any reason for hope?

mankai on September 8, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Is it remotely possible for Obuma to get even the smallest detail right? Obuma is either doing this on purpose or he is totally incompetent. Even a complete fool cannot commit this many travesties in a row without accidentally being right on something. Makes being Ivy league educated a liability in the real world.

volsense on September 8, 2010 at 12:02 PM

“The war in Iraq is not over,” warns New York Times reporter John Burns

Boy, this guy is smart. Not one single other person was even close to figuring that out.

Luka on September 8, 2010 at 12:02 PM

“Water is wet” warns New York Times reporter John Burns.

Luka on September 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Western style democracy will never work in Islamic societies. Dubya was wrong on that score. It will also be slowly compromised here by Muslims using our own system against us. It should be obvious by now.

a capella on September 8, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Evidently, among the pseudo-iontellectual Liberal Elite, this is considered a revelation.

kingsjester on September 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are succeeding at the moment, Burns claims

Well clearly that’s because most all the people in those two countries are Mormons.

Luka on September 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are succeeding at the moment, Burns claims, and by next year Obama may be faced with a situation where he’ll have to pull troops out of two fronts as they collapse:

Traditional American success is not among Oliar’s intentions.
Anything that happens to go right will be the result of Divine Intervention or accidental happenstance, or both.

I would not be shocked to see helicopter evacuations from Green Zone rooftops in the near future.

ontherocks on September 8, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are succeeding at the moment, Burns claims

The war in Vietnam is not succeeding at this moment either.

Luka on September 8, 2010 at 12:08 PM

the first thing that comes to mind when I saw Burns was, “is that a wig?!?”

Yitzchokm on September 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Obama and his Crew only use the issue of war for their political advantage.

Whatever helps their polling will be done.

Pretending to be a hawk on Afghanistan worked for Barry in 2008.

Pretending to understand Islam has not worked out so well for him, though.

He is confused and his policies willl reflect it… and get us into greater and greater trouble as he dithers looking for a polling angle to exploit.

It’s the pu$$yfooting ROE’s that are half of the problem, and the other half is our lack of both military and polemical aggression against the ideological terror inherent in the Koran.

It is these twin idiocies which that will undermine and ultimately lose this current round in the war against Islamic Extremism.

At least until a leader with brains and balls steps up names the real enemy – the terroristic ideology of fundamental Islam- and fights it to its defeat.

Clinton, Bush and Barack have all been half-hearted, and half-witted in facing the existential threat of Terroristic Islam.

A mortal challenge to our Civiization as dangerous as the Nazis, Fascists, Imperial Japanese and the Communists..

The enemy laughs as we defeat ourselves by thinking we can play nice on the battlefield and talk it out of killing us.

profitsbeard on September 8, 2010 at 12:15 PM

I’ll be praying that we quit wasting the blood of our bravest and spending money we don’t have on nations that are as reformable as Beelzebub.

Oh yes…and that the neocons and their “nation-building” are discredited for the next 100 years.

Dark-Star on September 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

For that reason, I doubt we’ll see a significant drawdown in either theater, and Obama will just have to remind the Left that they have nowhere else to go in 2012.

The odds are with you in your analysis of LBJ II.

Luka on September 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Here’s a word that fits the situation you just don’t hear since Obama was elected.

Quagmire.

booter on September 8, 2010 at 12:24 PM

We might be in for a major political crisis next year – Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran – that will effect even our economy for the worse. I don’t know how much of this could have been avoided, but I would have felt much better had a patriot been in the driver’s seat, making decisions for the right reasons. Obama making politically motivated decisions, from a far left bias, is hardly cause for confidence. I pray we get through this crisis with the least possible damage.

paul1149 on September 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM

We are not going to make any progress in this war that has been going on since 1800 until we admit that it is a war against islam.

slickwillie2001 on September 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM

I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

Alexis de Tocqueville also said, No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country.

I give you General Petraues trying to shut up a small Christian Church and hence the First Amendment.

Luka on September 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM

The war won’t be over until there is sharia law ruling the world…/radical muslims thought bubble

RalphyBoy on September 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Slightly OT:

REV: THE BURNING WILL PROCEED…
‘Meant to Be a Warning’…
Vatican: ‘Outrageous’…
NYPD: ‘Dangerous’…
Holder: ‘Idiotic’…
Clinton: ‘Disgraceful’…

When will Obama say:

As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims American citizens have the same right to practice their religion express themselves as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan protest by burning flags, or in this case books, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America. And our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country and that they will not be treated differently by their government is essential to who we are. The writ of the Founders must endure.

I’m betting on never.

BobMbx on September 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM

What I think these events prove, is that not only Islam of dubious compatibality with a successful functioning democracy, but tribal societies are even more incompatible with democracy.

Iraq and Afghanistan are both still tribal societies. the loyalties are more to the tribe than anything else, and that means that nobody is really interested in big ideas about freedom, and liberty, etc. Most of the people are only interested in their tribe getting power and/or compensation.

Sure, in some of the bigger cities there are cosmopolitan people who may be interested in democracy as we understand it, but not the majority of these nations.

Instead, b/c of the tribalism, it is always going to devolve into a strong-man dictatorship. That is what will happen in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

While individuals may have some yearning for liberty, most of the people have no conception of that because they have not learned it. Their society is patriarchical and based mostly on religious law.

It took a lot of philosophical / theological effort and thought, which had to permeat down to the common man, for western civilization to get to the point of believing in freedom, equality, democracy and all the rest.

We believe we can just go in and these people will embrace it and run with it. It is not going to happen. They have no foundation from which such ideas can grow.

Sure, everyone everywhere wants “freedom”, but these things mean much different things to different societies. I would wager that “freedom” to most Iraqies or Afghanies means the freedom for their tribe to do what it wants, meaning that each individual would still be under the control of whoever runs the tribe. And, it can mean the freedom to kill homosexuals, the freedom to stone rape victims, the freedom to engage in honor killings and the freedom to train and arm terrorists.

The idea that freedom and democracy will somehow spring up is naiave at best. If that were the case, wouldn’t all of the various countries in Africa have adopted there things by now?

Monkeytoe on September 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM

We are not going to make any progress in this war that has been going on since 1800 until we admit that it is a war against islam.

slickwillie2001 on September 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM

That won’t happen as long as we continue to label Islam as a religion rather than an aggressive political ideology with elements of religion interwoven in the fabric. That would require some decidedly unPC thinking and won’t happen.

a capella on September 8, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Monkeytoe on September 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Well said.

a capella on September 8, 2010 at 12:47 PM

SurferDoc on September 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM

That’s some serious writer’s hair. That’s where you spend so much time working you kinda forget the whole personal grooming thing…or what decade it is. Heh. I’ve always liked Burns. He’s honest if nothing else.

austinnelly on September 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM

Ever see that episode of Cheers when Woody was dressed up like Mark Twain?

reaganaut on September 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM

That hair…..?

Really?

Yakko77 on September 8, 2010 at 1:02 PM

On second thought, I won’t post that.

8 weeks out from an election is no time to reopen old wounds.

JohnGalt23 on September 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM

John Burns, aka Woody Harrelson as Mark Twain???

Obama loses re-election in 2012, and that will be Bush’s fault too.

capejasmine on September 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM

If Zero pulls out and loses the war, he will be all through politically. He’ll be a pariah. We can and must win in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it is not a five minute job.

A real leader could and would explain that to the people so that they get behind it. Zero probably can’t.

dogsoldier on September 8, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Ever see that episode of Cheers when Woody was dressed up like Mark Twain?

reaganaut on September 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM

I think that was the day there was a 6 on the richter scale earthquake when Mark Twain rolled over in his grave.

Luka on September 8, 2010 at 1:08 PM

We can and must win in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it is not a five minute job.

dogsoldier on September 8, 2010 at 1:07 PM

It would seem to be about a 5 50 500 year job, but well worth the sacrifice, I am sure.

Luka on September 8, 2010 at 1:11 PM

That won’t happen as long as we continue to label Islam as a religion rather than an aggressive political ideology with elements of religion interwoven in the fabric. a terroristic, blood-thirsty death cult. That would require some decidedly unPC thinking and won’t happen.

a capella on September 8, 2010 at 12:43 PM

FIFY

Trafalgar on September 8, 2010 at 1:29 PM

On Iraq, it’s hard to see how Obama could have improved the situation.

He could (possibly) have improved the situation in both Iraq and Afghanistan by throwing the full support of The White House behind the ‘Green Revolution’ in Iran, providing Iranian dissidents with cash, communications equipment and a voice over the Farsi language VOA broadcasts.

Nobody can know for sure if the outspoken and tangible support of the United States would have helped to tip the balance in Iran, and prompt regime change, but had Obama’s administration played their cards right, it seems there is at least a chance of it.

Again, hindsight is 20/20, however it seems clear the Obama administration missed a golden opportunity to push for meaningful change in Iran, thereby reducing Iran’s influence in the Iraq and Afghan theaters.

Sayan Neviot on September 8, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Man, that dude needs a serious hair cut.

moochy on September 8, 2010 at 1:45 PM

Obama starts withdrawing from both fronts as they deteriorate, he will at least be the man who lost Afghanistan, if not Iraq as well, just as he has to prepare to convince Americans to give him another four years as Commander-in-Chief.  For that reason, I doubt we’ll see a significant drawdown in either theater, and Obama will just have to remind the Left that they have nowhere else to go in 2012.

oboma is just a hood ornament for the commie machine

knock him off and the machine keeps rolling

that being said the machine will chuck obama aside in a heartbeat to restore Iraq back to status quo (squallor)

I’ve called the left global ghetto builders simply because they love areas of lawlessness and dependance

Eff obama and all that fall for or coordinate these results

Sonosam on September 8, 2010 at 1:50 PM

I’ll add, we know now that success is possible anywhere if we are able to remove these treachorous lefty pos from the equation

if Iraq falls the left will have left nukes as the only path to victory which they don’t mind since that’s “unthinkable”

Israel has had the ability to recreate it’s inhospitable neighbors topography yet they cede land aggressors lost

it’s upside down

Sonosam on September 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Sweet Jesus, that hair!

That hair. . .?
Really?

What’s the problem? It worked for Betty White.

Emperor Norton on September 8, 2010 at 2:06 PM

Luka on September 8, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Urban guerilla warfare requires at least 12 years to defeat the guerillas. Of course this is the opinion of “experts” in strategy and tactics.

It seems to me we were doing very well before we changed the RoE to win the hearts and minds of the folks in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

dogsoldier on September 8, 2010 at 3:21 PM

On Iraq, it’s hard to see how Obama could have improved the situation

That’s what they told George but he played Gitter dun!…. Zero just played.

Herb on September 8, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Ewok. Is that you?

meMC on September 8, 2010 at 4:58 PM

When Bush left office….he left Obama with a stable Iraq.
Violence was down over 90%, voting was taking place,and 17 of the 18 political goals set by a democratic Congress had been met.

Obama ran on the platform of having a “smarter and better” plan to win in Afghanistan.
He has put 2 different Generals in charge and instituted his own plan.

Obama is the President now and has been for 2 years.
If he pulls out of either theater of war without fulfilling the mission at hand…..it will be on his watch and 100% his responsibility.

Baxter Greene on September 8, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Fer Christ sake, we’re talking about people who view an out house made of baked mud as posh.

Pull our dudes out, give them their moonscape of a 3rd world sh!t hole to do as they please. Lob smarties at em when the baddies herd together to plan boom boom for the infidel.

Once we’re gone they’ll turn to blasting each other and lopping off each others heads for some doofy religious infraction.

Alden Pyle on September 8, 2010 at 10:07 PM