The stupidity of politics: Green fables, jobs, and the incandescent bulb
posted at 8:37 pm on September 8, 2010 by J.E. Dyer
Hot Air’s headlines linked a Washington Post piece today on the closing of the last US manufacturing plant for the humble incandescent light bulb. The article’s focus is on the “irony” of US engineers having come up with the compact-fluorescent lightbulb (CFL), as well as the way to manufacture it efficiently, but the actual manufacturing jobs – which are labor-intensive – having migrated overseas.
Of course, only if you’re a Washington Post writer does it seem ironic to you that manufacturers move their plants to where taxes are lower and all employer costs cheaper. But the article has other unintended ironies – or, at least, fatuous and utterly unexamined statements. The most important one occurs in paragraph 6, near the beginning, and it comes in for critical scrutiny not at all. In fact, it’s expressed in vague, impressionistic terms that ought to get a journalist horsewhipped by a serious editor. Here’s what WaPo tells us about the US decision to force the phase-out of the incandescent bulb:
The resulting savings in energy and greenhouse-gas emissions are expected to be immense.
Savor that for a moment. These 14 words are the sum total of the justification offered in the WaPo narrative for all the economic perturbation the story then proceeds to describe. The climax of the tale is a bunch of Americans losing their manufacturing jobs, as a whole industry is reorganized and transformed. But WaPo’s writers examine everything about this story except the original reasoning for the political decision.
We are left to wonder what exactly “immense” means, savings-wise. One almost begins to suspect, given the fleeting nature of the allusion to it, that we’re not supposed to wonder. But wonder we must, if our minds are unruly: when it comes to immensity, there’s no hint of a definition or supporting documentation.
Fortunately, there is always the online web search. Here’s what I unearthed:
1. The common figure used to predict carbon-emission savings, if every household in America switches from incandescent bulbs to CFLs, is 90 billion pounds per year. This is a narrow, first-order assessment: it doesn’t take into account the life-cycle differences there may be in the carbon footprints of incandescent bulbs versus CFLs, in terms of what it takes to manufacture or dispose of them. It considers the reduction in carbon emissions incident to household lighting use. This estimate does not consider savings from businesses and public installations converting to CFLs, which would presumably increase the number by as much as 100%. We’ll look only at the household number, however. For ease of comparison, we can convert it to 45 million tons of carbon per year.
2. The total amount of carbon in the earth’s atmosphere is, on average, about 720 billion tons.
3. Humans now contribute 6-7 billion tons of carbon to the atmosphere per year.
4. As the spirited reader discussion at the link above highlights, numbers for “carbon” are smaller than numbers for the compound “carbon dioxide.” It must also be pointed out that there is a difference between the American (short) ton of 2000 pounds and the metric ton (or tonne) of 2204 pounds, or 1000 kilos. I have taken “ton” at face value and assumed it to mean the American short ton wherever I found it, while assuming tonne means metric ton. But if you want to convert everything to metric tons, please do. Meanwhile, those who prefer to deal in tons of the compound (CO2) can multiple the carbon numbers by a factor of 3.66. Doing that does produce figures that are even more immense.
6. Given the immensity of the numbers involved, it’s unlikely that picking one standard over another will seriously misrepresent the climax that readers know we’re building toward here. The mathematically-inclined have already noted that 45 million is, frankly, way smaller than either 720 billion or 6 billion. We could convert these figures to metric tons or multiply them by 3.66, and the relationship would remain the same.
It turns out that reducing America’s carbon emissions by 45 million tons per year amounts to a reduction of 0.75% from the lower global emissions figure of 6 billion tons. It’s a reduction of 0.64% from 7 billion tons. And it represents 0.006% of the total carbon routinely present in the atmosphere.
7. “Immense” is a relative characterization. 45 million is a big number, and is especially impressive when it’s written out with a lot of zeros: 45,000,000. 90 billon – or 90,000,000,000 – is even more impressive; but of course, it describes the same weight as 45 million if you change the unit of measurement. Immense, however, in this case means “fart in a thunderstorm.” Double the 45 million to 90 million, to include emission savings for industry and public installations, and you have a slightly bigger fart in a thunderstorm.
So, for the sake of a fart in a thunderstorm, the bulb-makers of Winchester, Virginia are this month joining the other Americans who have lost their bulb-making jobs. The free market never produces this kind of result. It takes politics to do this to people. The lesson in politics is beautifully simple: take a questionable premise; steep it in demagoguery and make unthinking adherence to it a litmus test; assert it repeatedly – preferably using impressive but unparsable adjectives – as established fact; and then, when you’ve killed people’s jobs by acting urgently on your unexamined premise, send Washington Post reporters to write a solicitous puff piece on how sad and ironic it is for them.
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I am stocking up on these as I type.
hawkman on September 8, 2010 at 8:40 PM
Only the beginning…
orfannkyl on September 8, 2010 at 8:40 PM
Any calculations on the detrimental effects of all this mercury that’s going to be released as these bulbs break?
Bet that’s “immense” too.
Mr. Bingley on September 8, 2010 at 8:41 PM
The fact that the cost of switching to CFC from incandescent is also immense, as can be attested by anyone who has ever priced them out, is not part of the important truth.
pedestrian on September 8, 2010 at 8:43 PM
That doesn’t even address the fact that CFL suck.
First of all, they flicker which gives me migraines. Complex migraines that mimic a stroke. Fun times.
I guess I’m just SOL.
Second of all, if you break one of those suckers you have to section off that area of your house and open windows for a full day and then pray that you wont die.
I have 3 kids under 5. I like the idea of just picking up glass and going about my business, thank you very much.
Oh, and they kill jobs. Go Green!
Vera on September 8, 2010 at 8:47 PM
I don’t need to call out a Hazmat team if I drop an incandescent bulb.
And for those green idiots, did you know that if you use one of your wonderful CFC bulbs in a place where it’s turned on and off frequently…..it DOES NOT LAST 6 months.
Pardon me while I dash down to Home Depot and stock up on some incandescents.
GarandFan on September 8, 2010 at 8:48 PM
The loss of bulb producing jobs will be balanced by those created in the carpeting industry. Considering that smashing a CFL into the carpet comes with a recommendation that the carpet itself be cut out and thrown away, I foresee a boom in the flooring industry.
Bishop on September 8, 2010 at 8:49 PM
This assumes that no household in America was using a CFL before the ban. Which is patently false. My guess is that the effect of the switch would be less than half that, possibly a lot less — very few households I know use incandescents except in places where an expensive, unreliable CFL would not make much sense, like in a closet, attic, or garage, where they are used only intermittently.
Socratease on September 8, 2010 at 8:50 PM
The environmentalists/leftists are also:
Killing the farms in the California Central Valley;
Ruining the lives and livelihoods of families who have lived on Hatteras Island off North Carolina for generations;
Facilitating the entry of illegals into the US through “protected” federal lands on the Arizon-Mexico border.
GaltBlvnAtty on September 8, 2010 at 8:51 PM
Those plant employees who are losing their jobs should be happy to do so knowing that their lack of work will be one more step in helping mother earth heal from the parasitic influence of the Republicans. Instead of whining about unemployment they should be smiling, secure in the knoweldge that their sacrifice will be rewarded and needs met, directly from Obamas “Stash”.
Koa on September 8, 2010 at 8:52 PM
Nicely put.
rogerb on September 8, 2010 at 8:52 PM
Good math. Good research. Good writing, J.E. But you forgot the calculations of carbon output by all those endangered critters that really do fart in thunderstorms. That number must be immense as well. Like, quadrazillions or something. This is commonly expressed by the formula: F (farts) x Ceg (carbon-based exhaust gases) x CrF (Critters Farting) = QZoI (Quadrazillions of Immensity), or to use the Gubmit shortened FxCegxCrF=QZoI. Or the public version TIABS (This Is All Bull Sh*t).
Robert17 on September 8, 2010 at 8:57 PM
This is something that sends me into a Tourette’s Syndrome sounding rage every time I go to Lowes or Home Depot to buy lightbulbs.
Many of my fave incandescents are already gone forever.
Add to that, the folks who’ve lost jobs thanks to this short sighted boondoggle, and it’s nothing short of criminal.
tru2tx on September 8, 2010 at 9:06 PM
I’ve been stocking up on incandescent bulbs for some time and will re-double my efforts; they are going to drag me kicking and screaming to buy those sucky poisonous short lived bulbs. I Hat* the government.
Willie on September 8, 2010 at 9:06 PM
Will these lost jobs be placed in the ‘Created’ or ‘Saved’ column?
catmman on September 8, 2010 at 9:08 PM
Many corporations are still moving manufacturing overseas. I was just talking to an acquaintance who owns a flooring store, who also tries to sell as much US made products, told me that the last laminate flooring US manufacturer is ending its production (Wilsonart) because it COST TOO MUCH TO DO BUSINESS in the US.
And what is the solution that we keep hearing from the government, promises that they will close the tax loopholes that allow. I see that is working out well.
Businesses are stagnant or closing because the cost to do so is laden by government/union imposed rules and laws. We are driving everything out overseas and its the fault of this administration. Or is it the intention????
LadyGator88 on September 8, 2010 at 9:12 PM
Natural plant decay on this planet releases 60 billion metric tons of CO2 per year. That’s 60,000,000,000. Immense!
In pounds that number is 132,000,000,000,000.
Humans can squabble over numbers with 6 zeros but Mother Earth is contributing to atmospheric CO2 in numbers with far greater zeros.
Electrongod on September 8, 2010 at 9:16 PM
Hot Air’s headlines linked a Washington Post piece today on the closing of the last US manufacturing plant for the humble incandescent light bulb. The article’s focus is on the “irony” of US engineers having come up with the compact-fluorescent lightbulb (CFL), as well as the way to manufacture it efficiently, but the actual manufacturing jobs – which are labor-intensive – having migrated overseas.
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How F”n lovely!
I do hope this brain-wave activity,doesn’t
start with the US Military hardware,getting
made overseas as well!
Ugh!!
canopfor on September 8, 2010 at 9:16 PM
Humans can squabble over numbers with 6 zeros but Mother Earth is contributing to atmospheric CO2 in numbers with far greater zeros.
Electrongod on September 8, 2010 at 9:16 PM
Electrongod: Like volcanoes spewing on the oceans floor,
as well as above,and like natural seeping of
methane gas,thats helped contribute to Deep
water Horizon!!:)
canopfor on September 8, 2010 at 9:19 PM
It appears that at the WaPo the unexamined life is the one not only most worth living, but the one that gets the most ink.
Bruno Strozek on September 8, 2010 at 9:24 PM
But don’t worry…. GE will still have incandescents made in China for them.
(btw, will it be illegal to SELL them or just MAKE them here in the good ol’ USA?)
Edison would be immensely proud…
golfmann on September 8, 2010 at 9:28 PM
Bravo!, Mr. Dyer.
The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 was signed into law by a first rate, second rate president: George Bush.
Thanks for looking out for the folks, George!
Light Bulbs vs. The Nanny State.
locomotivebreath1901 on September 8, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Mrs. dhunter stocked up on the curly q’s at Sams and replaced all the bulbs in the house. After stumbling around in the 1/2 light for six months I said, look, no more. I ripped them all out and bought all the incandesants I could find and can now see again!
How do you save energy when it takes 4 curlies to produce the same light as one or two incandesants?
What happens when you break one and a kid or animal get in it?
What happens at the landfill when it becomes full of Mercury?
When AlGore, John Edwards and John Cary move into a house the size of mine I’ll consider their greenie weenie ideas.
Meanwhile my stockpile of incandesants is only exceeded by my stockpile of ammo so don’t come tryin to pilfer my incandesants!
dhunter on September 8, 2010 at 9:32 PM
Yep. Humans contribute to around 8 billion metric tons per year today; about 13% of what plant decay contributes.
I am not sure what volcanoes contribute or any other natural oozing of CO2 but it seems to me that Mother Earth needs to appear before Congress and explain herself.
Electrongod on September 8, 2010 at 9:34 PM
Learn to go to sleep when the sun goes down, peons.
Aquateen Hungerforce on September 8, 2010 at 9:35 PM
I have a lot of flood lights at my place and those things don’t exactly come cheap, stocking them will cost a shiny nickel or two. One more thing to add to the list.
Bishop on September 8, 2010 at 9:37 PM
8 years ago I changed out all my bulbs to CFC. Not for the global warming thing but because it offered natural light (daylight bulbs) comparable to the sun.
I have just had to change a couple bulbs the other day. Not because they “burnt out” like incandescent bulbs do but because the plastic and glue that their body is made of has deteriorated and caused a short and let the smoke out. I am having second thoughts about the cheap construction of these long life bulbs. It could be a fire hazard.
Electrongod on September 8, 2010 at 9:41 PM
Why are the environmentalist nut-jobs so A-Okay with a substance far more toxic than lead?
In California, any object sold displays warnings of the product’s ability to cause cancer to those living in California. Why is mercury never addressed?
If Al Gore’s cult actually cared about reducing energy consumption (or the environment) they would push for the only lighting solution that has potential to replace incandescent lighting, LEDs, and support US based businesses such as Cree who have actually produced products superior to incandescent.
Instead they follow companies like Phillips who secure monopoly deals for their CFLs with Al Gore for his “world concert” shenanigans.
darclon on September 8, 2010 at 9:44 PM
Right, or if you want to stay up to read, breed fireflies.
petefrt on September 8, 2010 at 9:46 PM
“Hey buddy, wanna buy an incandescent?”
JellyToast on September 8, 2010 at 9:46 PM
Maybe because it’s really not about the environment? Maybe because it’s really about control?
JellyToast on September 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM
What really pisses me off is that they are mandating this crap. You want to buy a crappy lightbulb. Fine. Don’t force me to do it too.
Vera on September 8, 2010 at 9:49 PM
Thats the free wheelin American Spirit we need! Today the gvmt is telling us what kind of light bulb to buy, tomorrow they will be mandating we all buy health insurance, or some crazy thing like that!
Koa on September 8, 2010 at 9:55 PM
ObamaCare and the Individual Mandate. Another force by our beloved Government. Oh..and it’s probably going to be crappy too.
Electrongod on September 8, 2010 at 9:57 PM
Refudiating this ban might be a first small good step for the new Republican Congress. Easy and quick, and will help build momentum and shake out the RINOs.
slickwillie2001 on September 8, 2010 at 9:59 PM
I should have refreshed my screen before I posted. Didn’t mean to steal your post.
Electrongod on September 8, 2010 at 9:59 PM
This characterization of .75% as meaningless or as a “fart in a thunderstorm” is simply wrong. .75% over a century is 75%, which is an immense deal.
I don’t think C02 climate change is an important one to address, but it does us no good when the anti-fear mongering is as much BS as the fear mongering.
thuja on September 8, 2010 at 10:00 PM
Remember Gandhi’s Walk to the Sea?
The British in India regulated and taxed the production of salt. So Gandhi walked for days to get to the sea, and when he got there he sat down and started evaporating water and making salt, inviting the British to arrest him.
We need to do the same thing, here.
I am seriously considering figuring out a way to scale down the production of light bulbs to the point where it can be done on a small-scale, cottage industry basis. Then in 2014 I will start producing incandescent light bulbs, and invite the authorities to arrest me.
Haiku Guy on September 8, 2010 at 10:06 PM
Where’s chappy when u need him. chappy if you are lurking out there,ck out what’s needed for a class-action lawsuit against cfc bulbs.
BruceB on September 8, 2010 at 10:06 PM
As I remember this, nobody even knew about it until after the fact. I came home from work one day and read how the bill had been passed. They just did it without anybody knowing about it.
If they can ban the light bulb they can do just about anything. Listen, you want fanatical power? A congress, a ruling party that “has to save the planet!”
“Having to save the planet” is a justification for anything! Nothing beats it! Forget about cults, war lords, Islamo Fascists and wanna be little Hitlers, when you “have to save the planet” you the ultimate excuse to do anything! All you need is a willing party and a ignorant believing people!
JellyToast on September 8, 2010 at 10:07 PM
WONDER WHERE THE OPPOSITION TO THIS WAS……
CRICKETS…..
SHAME ON THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM
ROFLMAO
donabernathy on September 8, 2010 at 10:07 PM
Don’t forget to advertise. I’d like to buy one.
JellyToast on September 8, 2010 at 10:08 PM
If you enviro-nazis are so terrified of CO2, go plant some trees. Green plants LOVE CO2 and know exactly how to deal with it.
oldleprechaun on September 8, 2010 at 10:12 PM
Bad analysis, thuja. This isn’t interest on a mortgage. It’s both intuitively and demonstrably obvious that reducing carbon emissions by 0.75% over the period of a particular year doesn’t translate into reducing carbon emissions by 75% of the pre-reduction total in Year 100.
Even if you admitted the extremely simplistic regression needed to get to this, it’s absurd. Using CFLs can’t continue to reduce carbon emissions by the same percentage of last year’s total in each of 100 years.
J.E. Dyer on September 8, 2010 at 10:12 PM
I’d love to see a protest of people marching at every capital requiring these darn things and accidentally dropping a few hundred all around.
Canadian Infidel on September 8, 2010 at 10:13 PM
Yah. Mercury in our light bulbs. What could go wrong?
Randy
williars on September 8, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Let them eat cake
Wine_N_Dine on September 8, 2010 at 10:17 PM
Glenn Reynolds had a link for led bulbs off of his site:
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-07/updating-edison
Better bulbs, but they sure are pricey. They last for years, though.
Haiku guy, let us know when you start manufacturing.
theotherone on September 8, 2010 at 10:18 PM
What about the emissions from the container ships that come over from China?
echosyst on September 8, 2010 at 10:19 PM
Same here. Now I need to stock up on the odd sized ones, like the ones in the shape of a candle for the chandelier, refrigerator/microwave lights, and the floodlights for recessed lighting. I wish I had a 1950s bomb shelter to stockpile, along with the ammo.
TxAnn56 on September 8, 2010 at 10:19 PM
Now that’s what I call some calculating, Robert17. But don’t you have to kill us now that you’ve told us all that?
J.E. Dyer on September 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM
So in addition to stocking up on ammo, water and non-perishable food, we have to add incandescent light bulbs to the list?
I wonder what else the eco-oppressives want to ban?
Chip on September 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM
My hope is that the Progressives suffer the same fate they produced for Edison’s wonderful globe.
djtnt on September 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM
You mean planting a tree, letting it grow while it absorbs CO2, then when it is of a mature size, cut it down and use it for building material and then plant another CO2 absorbing tree in its place?
I think there may be a market in this. /
Electrongod on September 8, 2010 at 10:26 PM
The really annoying thing about LED bulbs is that when they first came out, they were much cheaper. Now, with all the BS “green” lightbulb hype, the price has gone through the roof.
J.E. Dyer on September 8, 2010 at 10:27 PM
Hey, look at the bright side of things – think of how many jobs in the hazardous waste disposal industry that will be created with the infestation of CFL’s throughout the country.
We’ll need specialists to clean up your abode when one of those babies explode, we’ll need people to transport the waste to special disposal sites, and people to construct and maintain these sites.
It’s a win-win for everyone!
And all we have to endure is the sucky light output from those glass mercury containers, wo hoo!
Chip on September 8, 2010 at 10:33 PM
I would like to see more detail on this subject.
From what I recall when this was first discussed back in ’07, the odd-sized/artistic incandescents will be exempted – or would be, in a sane world. But I may be wrong.
But as far as the regular incandescents: about Jan. ’09, Home Depot was blowing out CASES of Chinese-made 60-watt incandescents (“REIT” brand) for 6 cents a bulb.
Too cheap to resist, as I knew about the coming ban. The checker was looking at me a bit funny.
cane_loader on September 8, 2010 at 10:35 PM
Um, can I have my normal lightbulbs back now?
Fallon on September 8, 2010 at 10:38 PM
Who would have ever imagined a black market for light bulbs? Then again, who would ever have imagined an anti-American radical Marxist narcissist empty suit (shall I go on?) in the White House?
TxAnn56 on September 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM
These watermelon people are stupid. I, for one, will continue to buy my regular old light bulbs at Osco, Ace, and Home Depot, and laugh all the way to the bank. Those worthless f*cking CFL things don’t last for crap and look pretty damn stupid wherever exposed.
Jaibones on September 8, 2010 at 11:23 PM
At what cost come these miniscule reductions in CO2 emissions?
Irreversible mercury pollution of our landfills for generations, as millions of mindless consumers toss their spent & broken CFL bulbs in with the regular trash. The Hg will then find its way into our waterways and cause all sorts of problems.
My children and grandchildren thank you for your shortsightedness, environ-mental-patients!
UltimateBob on September 8, 2010 at 11:29 PM
I will not have the horrible new bulbs in my house. Never. I have been stocking up on the old bulbs for months, and will continue to do so. I won’t put up with crappy light, headaches, and most especially being told how to light my own home.
I also suggest that people who have these new bulbs at home make plans to send any that break to their member of Congress in a plain envelope with no return address. Let THEM take care of the disposal.
sdillard on September 8, 2010 at 11:55 PM
Although I totally disagree with this ridiculous law, I need to defend CFLs, they’ve worked great for us.
We started using them 10 years ago when we moved into our new, much larger house. We have a lot of recessed lights in the hallways, kitchens and bathrooms so we used CFLs to cut down on the electric bill. The original bulbs lasted 8 years, even in frequent use in the kitchen and bathrooms. We don’t notice a flicker, but they are dim for a few seconds when you first turn them on.
We now have them in most of our lamps as well. We do have some older lamps and outside lights where we still use incandescents, I guess we’ll have to stock up.
Knock on wood, we haven’t dropped one yet.
You know, saving energy used to be a conservative value, the waste not, want not attitude left over from the Depression era. It’s too bad it’s now been taken over by those for whom it’s just a status symbol.
Common Sense on September 9, 2010 at 12:26 AM
Another law for the Repubs to repeal.
Will they have the guts to undo all this stuff?
PattyJ on September 9, 2010 at 1:29 AM
Has anyone figured out the transportation environmental Tradeoff (I assume that since these new (Toxic) CFC Bulbs are being made outside of the US), there is an amount of truck, freight, rail, or shipping fuel pollution which will offset some of that “Green” savings before you screw in your first bulb.
Also you have to turn the light on and let it warm up for several minutes before it gives off even the most reasonable amount of light, again wasting energy, and last the light is so poor you can’t see the bedbugs on the mattress, but thats ok since the Enviro-nuts banned the DDT anyway. Happy Scratching.
oped01 on September 9, 2010 at 2:28 AM
That is what we were taught in elementry school; plants take in CO2 and release Oxygen.
But plants do not sleep. At night they grow new leaves, flowers, fruits and seeds. They take water and nutrients out of the ground and the RELEASE CO2 into the air!
That is why you water at night because that is when the grass will actually use the water.
When grass cuttings and leaves die, they give up the CO2 that was stored in them while they were alive, which makes a forest floor a global warming nightmare.
If you want to know what is really behind all these “Green” initiatives, just take a look at the political goals of the Communist Party USA and other socialist/communist factions. It is one of their top goals and has been since I first became aware of those goals in the late 90′s. In the pre Google days they were not so aware of the results of having their true goals on their web site. They did not hide the fact that they wanted Green laws which they discribed as laws to force corpotations to spend heavily on reducing CO2 emissions. The next phase was to increase the taxes on corporations. The last was to force the corporations to pay for the clean up of any determined pollution. The Green laws all sound as if they have some legitimacy, but the purpose was clearly stated to destroy the large corporations and replace them with smaller local manufacturing. Those familiar with communist modles will have no trouble with recognizing why that was considered neccersary by the communist.
Least anyone has forgotten; the mentor that guided Obama from nine to his late teens was Frank Davis, a Moscow appointed board member of the Communist Party USA. There is no mystery to why Obama has the goals and obsessions he has today or why he married Michelle to whom he promised the moon, the stars, all the taxpayers money she could spend and an America she could be proud of.
Franklyn on September 9, 2010 at 2:38 AM
Methinks you need a refresher on your statistics class. Your statement is ludicrous on its face, and even moreso when statistical analysis is applied.
On its face it’s ludicrous because 0.75% per year over 100 years is 75% of 1 year’s amount in total for that 100 years. It’s not “75%” of the grand total as you assert.
Add in proper statistical regression, as other commenters have already noted and it’s FAR smaller. Consider opportunity costs, mitigating factors, and all those other variables and it is most definitely a statistically insignificant (“vanishingly small” if you prefer) amount.
Magson on September 9, 2010 at 4:02 AM
American ingenuity developed the light bulb. American liberalism killed it dead. Now we’ll have to thank the Peoples Republic of China whenever we turn on these ghastly flourescents. Maybe I’ll stick with candles. Or perhaps run piping for gas lights.
theCork on September 9, 2010 at 4:15 AM
There is no #5
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on September 9, 2010 at 4:38 AM
The article mis-states the disposal procedures for CFL bulbs. All broken CFL bulbs should be swept up immediately, sealed in an envelope and sent to your congressman. All burned out CFL bulbs should be put in an unpadded mailer and sent to your congressman.
Over50 on September 9, 2010 at 6:36 AM
Great post.
Liberals contribute absolutely nothing to this country.
They are a drag on our economy, our foreign policy, our culture and our national discourse.
Worthless people.
Anyone thinking of a casting a vote for anyone who is the least bit liberal in the next election is an absolute idiot, the debate is over.
NoDonkey on September 9, 2010 at 6:46 AM
I suspect marketing will not be a problem…
I like CFLs for certain applications. I use them exclusively in the basement and attic, because they last a long time and the generate less heat. I don’t care much about the quality of light in these spaces.
However, in my everyday living spaces, I use incandescents because I like full-spectrum lighting. Man’s eye evolved (or was designed, whatever) to see constant, full spectrum sunlight. It is not well suited to seeing a fractional spectrum flickering light, even if the flicker is too fast for human perception. The flourescent lighting just makes me uncomfortable, and I do not prefer it.
As should be my right. My house, my castle. I pay the electric bill every month.
Have you ever noticed that in every science fiction movie futuristic distopia, the color spectrum is always biased toward blue? (Well, except Zardoz, and that movie was just wierd). Blue light is depressing, and warm, reddish light enhances our animal lusts. These things are just hard-wired into our brains. By screwing around with the lighting spectrum, the government is screwing around with our basic psychology.
Haiku Guy on September 9, 2010 at 6:47 AM
Most CFLs in my house don’t last more than 2 years, and only one has lasted over 5 years: the outdoor, weather protected, multi-layer house light. There are a few that don’t see much use in the basement, so used for a few hours a month doesn’t mean much and aren’t saving much money as they aren’t used much. The ones in the kitchen, standing lamps, bedside lamps, bathrooms… they are all 6 months or less, then dead. Only the multi-layer, unexposed coil ones have lasted for any period of time (spotlights, outdoors, other bathroom lights) and they have cost up to 3x what a normal CFL costs, thus making no real savings over a decade if they can last that long.
I’ll start looking at LEDs as they come down in price, but as the source of those is usually China they don’t contribute to the US economy, either. I would gladly pay 10% for US made LEDs (at the component level) as I would expect high efficiency production systems to have lower failure rates and local sourcing means spare parts that are easy to get. As it is I’m seriously looking at places like Deal Extreme and other Chinese direct shippers for the parts to DIY my own LEDs. You can get voltage regulators, constant current regulators, bases, housings and LED emitters from them.
Too bad China’s manufacturing economy is built on a bubble system that makes our housing bubble look tiny in comparison. We really do need US based manufacturing, but so long as the government dictates wages, prices via subsidies, inane mandates, and high taxes that is not going to happen. You cannot regulate your way to prosperity. And mandating products that don’t work well is a sure way to get a black market. Something will give unless government is rolled back, and what will give is the government as no one respects idiocy when it costs you too much to live.
ajacksonian on September 9, 2010 at 7:35 AM
When I was flying back from LA a few weeks ago, I got to thinking how nice it would have been to fly on a supersonic transport. But the aircraft was being conceived during the 1970s, when environmentalism was just starting to get traction, which helped to kill the program. On reflection, I was glad the movement didn’t gain prominence in the 1950s, otherwise I probably would have had to fly home in an old propeller-driven plane.
zoyclem on September 9, 2010 at 7:46 AM
Have you ever seen a shot of Kenya at night? They have no electricity so don’t need no stinking light bulbs, they juts burn trees. It’s all relative, isn’t it.
At least Kenya and places like Indonesia are great for astronomers at night.
tarpon on September 9, 2010 at 7:53 AM
Silly me…. while I watched the Flinstones as a child it never dawned on me it was a peek into the future.
yaba da doo
roflmao
donabernathy on September 9, 2010 at 8:17 AM
Wasn’t GE massively supportive of the green agenda?
They are part of the wind turbine boondoggle as well aren’t they?
roy_batty on September 9, 2010 at 8:45 AM
When you talk to your candidates for the House and Senate, tell them that your vote will be influenced by whether or not they pledge to repeal this idiotic law that tells people what kind of light bulbs they may buy.
Not only is it anti-capitalist, anti-free market, but it is based on the speculation that carbon dioxide is endangering the Earth, a speculation for which there is no evidence whatsoever.
The law must be repealed!
MrLynn on September 9, 2010 at 8:47 AM
PS Time for a bumper-sticker campaign:
SAVE THE BULB!
MrLynn on September 9, 2010 at 8:49 AM
*facepalm*
Seriously? Are you THAT DIM?
Just… Wow…
Such ignorance I don’t even have the words for it.
wearyman on September 9, 2010 at 8:50 AM
This is how evolution happens. Corporations on the magnitude of General Electric being in the back pocket of corrupt politicians like Obama and his Chicago thugs allows them to do anything they “deem” necessary for Americans to do whether thay want to or not. Billions from government distribution of tax payer funds for corporations that support the wishes of the ruling class without regards for the American people who are the source of making it happen even if they vehemently oppose the actions being taken.
volsense on September 9, 2010 at 8:54 AM
Umm, it is only close to 75% after 100 years if no other source puts out carbon after the first year. If all the other sources continue to put out the same amount of carbon year after year, the total of 100 years of output would mean that the incandescent bulb would remain at .75% of the total carbon output worldwide.
Think of it this way. If you gave me .75% of an apple (i.e., 3/4 of an apple) every year and I received 99 1/4 apples from elsewehere every year, at the end of 100 years, you would have given me a total of 75 apples out of 10,000 total apples that I received. Which would remain .75% of the total apples I received.
Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 8:54 AM
Fluorescent bulbs give off UV radiation, which is dangerous for people with lupus. Did congress consider the health hazards that they’ve mandated on the entire country?
Does anyone know if we can still buy incandescents from Canada?
Mulligan on September 9, 2010 at 8:57 AM
I have no CFLs in my house. Well, there were some when I moved into it, but they went into the trash as the first step of moving in.
Vashta.Nerada on September 9, 2010 at 9:14 AM
GE ownes manufacturing plants in China, India and other countries.
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They overpay (themselves) for products coming in the USA to reduce their U.S. corporate income tax burden.
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Once the money is out of the country, it is available for use anywhere in the world.
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Just one of several ways GE beats the system while most US companies pay through the nose.
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esblowfeld on September 9, 2010 at 9:30 AM
Two things:
1) The CFL’s I’ve bought don’t last even half as long as promised. So, cut that “carbon” savings in half. And they’re wicked expensive!!
2) Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant – it’s plant food.
Let’s imagine that plants were black children. Are we really saying that we want to deny black children the sustenance they need to develop into beautiful and productive members of our society?
Pablo Snooze on September 9, 2010 at 10:10 AM
We seem to be following the lead Europe has has chosen, we are only a year or two behind is all.
Koa on September 9, 2010 at 10:11 AM
Sorry, that solution is not acceptable. The only acceptable solutions involve confiscating money and limiting freedoms.
If the greens have their way, the newly unemployed folks will lose their cars. yayyy! Maybe if the planet is REALLY fortunate, they could even starve to death.
hawksruleva on September 9, 2010 at 10:15 AM
Good quote from the Swiss article:
Will my fridge, oven, microwave, garage door opener, and car interior lights all have to be CFLs as well?
hawksruleva on September 9, 2010 at 10:19 AM
I have lots of CFL bulbs in my house (I waited until their price came down to buy them), and they DO save electricity, and do tend to last much longer than incandescent bulbs.
But there are two liabilities their manufacturers don’t mention:
(1) when a CFL bulb is first turned on, it is MUCH dimmer than its rated luminosity, and takes about 10-15 minutes to “warm up” to its full brilliance. They’re OK for services where lights are left on for a long time, but for
(2) A typical CFL bulb contains about 5 milligrams of mercury, which doesn’t sound like much, but the toxic threshold for mercury in air is 0.2 milligrams per cubic meter, meaning that a broken CFL bulb will poison 25 cubic meters of air. Assuming an 8-foot (2.4-meter) ceiling height, 25 cubic meters would be the volume of a room 3 meters by 3.5 meters, or 10 ft x 11’5″, or roughly the size of a typical bedroom. So, if a CFL bulb breaks in a bedroom, you can’t sleep there until the room is completely ventilated for several hours with all windows open. If this occurs in the middle of winter, how much fuel is burned, and what is its carbon footprint, to reheat the room?
Steve Z on September 9, 2010 at 10:49 AM
Could we begin by saying that while the math is sound and valid, the elephant in the room cannot be ignored? Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, never has been. The ONLY way to win in these issues is to not allow the opposition to control the semantics. A vehement denial must be raised each and every time that a Chicken Little cry is raised about carbon, especially cardon dioxide, as a danger to life. This specious concept could not be more ridiculous. Never give them the benefit of using their terms and arguing from their point of view, or you’ve already given ground.
Freelancer on September 9, 2010 at 11:33 AM
Nice piece J.E. Dyer
This entire issue gets under my skin in so many ways and just pizzes me off.
The other missing piece here is on reliability of the new bulbs. I can only speak for myself, and it certainly is possible that I’m experiencing a statistical fluke but the new bulbs seem to burn out almost as quickly as the incandescents.
DaMav on September 9, 2010 at 1:01 PM
The Green Revolution sponsored by General Electric and BP, because sometimes innovation means using political leverage to squeeze out smaller competitors.
Angry Dumbo on September 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM
Something people don’t understand:
There is no evidence that has any data to support it that CO2 causes a rise in atmospheric temperatures.
It is the rise in temps that cause more CO2 to be ‘taken up’ by the atmosphere.Now let’s get stupid:
1. Trees & plants of different species as well as different ages absorb differing amounts of CO2. Some also do it more or less efficiently. So planting trees won’t save us from too much CO2.
2. Let’s get rid of the processes of decomposition & respiration! They release C into the atmosphere! The horror!
3. Let’s STOP EROSION of carbonate rocks! Thier erosion releases CO2! (acid on limestone anyone?)
4. Plug the volcanoes!
5. Ban the tropics! Or better yet-TAX the tropics! They contribute more C to the atmosphere than the colder climates do. So AK should get huge tax breaks for all those swampy peat bogs with slowly decaying material.
6. Cover the oceans! All those primary producers in the oceans (i.e plankton) are making a bunch of CO2 through respiration! The water is also diffusing CO2 back into the atmosphere! OMG!
7. Give mollusk farmers a tax break! They’re ‘storing’ C in their exoskeletons!
8. Get rid of darkness! A lot more CO2 is made at night!
9. Get rid of winter! More CO2 is made during the dormant season!
10. Give the Northern Hemisphere a tax break! We act as a CO2 sink!
11.Geez there’s 38,000 Gigatons (out of a 100 million Gt global budge) ALONE in carbonate & bicarbonate ions in the OCEANS! DO SOMETHING!
12. The atmosphere holds about 750 Gt.
I’d rather worry about Nitrogen ‘pollution’ that Carbon ‘pollution’.
Another reason why politicians should have NOTHING to do with making decisions based on an understanding of science.
Badger40 on September 9, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Simple. Club a baby seal & make a nice warm coat out of it while you’re waiting to go back into the room.
Better yet-who needs heat when you got FUR!
Badger40 on September 9, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Couple things I’ve learned about these CFLs.
1. The light is not great (from a color perspective). And, I don’t think it because I’m just not used to it. It is just harder to read for any long period of time using these lights.
2. They don’t last nearly as long as the package says they do. If they really last 7 years then I should have to have replaced any. Yet I replace them with almost the same frequency as I do incandescent bulbs.
After doing some research I have learned that there is a ballast in the bulb. Every time you turn the the light on and off it trips the ballast reducing the life of the ballast (and bulb). This seems to make some sense in that I put a CFL in the bare light socket in my basement by the fuse box and never turned it off. It lasted for about 7 continuous years. All of my other CFLs that are used in locations that have normal off/on traffic the bulbs burn out with regularity.
Also, heat apparently dramatically reduces the bulb life as well. Which is why the CFLs in my garage are replaced about every 2 years and they are used far less than the bulbs in the rest of the house.
All things considered I think the dam things are a bust and I’d advise against them. Perhaps LED bulbs will be better? Perhaps the government will stay out of telling me what light bulbs I can buy? Well. I think one of those is true anyway.
watson007 on September 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Don’t forget the return trip, of course they are mostly empty then.
Dasher on September 9, 2010 at 5:25 PM
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