Reuters’ economist survey predicts lower growth in 2010, 2011

posted at 3:35 pm on September 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Hardest hit: Reuters’ reporters, who must now abandon the use of all forms of the word “unexpected.”  Their latest survey of economists shows an expectation of lower growth than first predicted in the final two quarters of this year — and even lower growth in 2011:

Stubbornly high unemployment and signs of persistent weakness in the housing market have prompted economists to further cut their outlook for U.S. growth in the second half of the year, a Reuters poll showed on Wednesday.

The September poll marked the third consecutive month economists had scaled back expectations for gross domestic product in the second half, and followed the U.S. government’s announcement on Friday that unemployment ticked up to 9.6 percent in August. …

Overall, GDP is forecast to average 2.7 percent in 2010, down from 2.9 percent in the August poll and 3 percent in the July poll. The median of forecasts in the most recent poll was for average GDP growth of 2.4 percent in 2011, down from an August forecast of 2.7 percent and a July forecast of 2.8 percent.

Democrats hoping for good news in the week before the midterms better scale back their hopes significantly.  The survey’s estimation for 2010Q3 GDP, the initial estimate of which Commerce will announce four days before the election, has shrunk to just 1.8%, barely above Q2′s revised estimate of 1.6%.  Needless to say, that number will do nothing to boost the reputation of Democrats as stewards of the American economy, nor will it mean any new job growth in the foreseeable future.

The same is true for 2011, and the political risks worse.  A growth rate of only 2.4% for the year will mean high unemployment rates throughout the year, as it will take sustained growth above the 4% level to start replacing the lost jobs from 2008-9.  If unemployment rates remain above 8% or higher coming into the presidential primary season, Obama will have a lot of difficulty convincing his party to stifle a primary challenge, let alone convincing voters in a general election to give him a second term.

And if Democrats thought this midterm election season was tough, the survivors of this election will see an even angrier and more motivated electorate in 2012 if the economy does nothing but stagnate for the next eighteen months.  Even if a recovery starts gaining steam in the first quarter of 2012 — a mighty big if under current policies — voters probably won’t notice its effects until months later.  Just ask George H. W. Bush how that 1992Q1 recovery worked out for his re-election campaign.

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This is completely unacceptable, the economies of Asia and Europe are growing fast and we are still mired in a recession of Obama’s making.

Throw out the Democrat Congress first and then demand Obama’s resignation.

This idiot needs to go before he causes more damage, Barack Obama is the number one obstacle to economic growth America currently faces.

The debate is over.

NoDonkey on September 8, 2010 at 3:37 PM

I see an opening for Jeb, “I will bring back Bush’s economic policies!”

WashJeff on September 8, 2010 at 3:41 PM

She’s done good, this time, Ms. Parker.

So goes the script. But both men are very much alike in some ways. Both are smokers (Obama still sneaks a few) and both like to play golf. Both are cool cats. Why not sit back and enjoy the show?

No one is enjoying Obama’s attempt to demonize Boehner more than Boehner. Even this is a replay. The White House seems to relish playing target practice with an enemy du jour and, in the process, elevating its prey. When the administration singled out Rush Limbaugh as the leader of the Republican Party, no one was more delighted than Limbaugh.

Boehner must be whistling a happy tune. Even though his critics say he’s prematurely measuring for new drapes in the speaker’s quarters, Boehner is hardly a household name beyond Washington and political parlors where the chattering class feasts on the latest polls. He’s not a lightning rod like Newt Gingrich or Tom DeLay.

Effective immediately, Boehner is the un-Obama, and that is not a bad thing for Republicans. If the president were confident in his programs, some of which Republicans also support (research and development tax credits, for example), he wouldn’t need to challenge Boehner on his own turf. Successful leaders ignore the hecklers and noisemakers.

Schadenfreude on September 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Obama: But, but, but, I saved the jobs of thousands of caddies!

Steve Z on September 8, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Just wait until health care reform starts to take effect. Just wait for Obama’s tax increases to kick in.

It only gets better from here.

Skandia Recluse on September 8, 2010 at 3:44 PM

And if Democrats thought this midterm election season was tough, the survivors of this election will see an even angrier and more motivated electorate in 2012 if the economy does nothing but stagnate for the next eighteen months

Except if the GOP regains majorities, the donks will blame them for poor performance in 2011 and 2012. Will it stick? I dunno.

a capella on September 8, 2010 at 3:45 PM

How can the economy grow when Washington is doing nothing but partying like it’s 1999?
Honestly, you do not need a degree to figure out that the economy will not improve while we have toddlers driving the bus.

ORconservative on September 8, 2010 at 3:46 PM

From the LA Times

The lack of full-time work is both a hardship for individuals and their families and a substantial drag on the still-feeble recovery. With consumer spending accounting for 70% of the nation’s total economic activity, having millions of underemployed workers means a loss of economic vitality — along with lower tax revenues and more budget problems for governments at every level

The number of involuntary part-timers — who on average worked just 23 hours a week in the second quarter — had been easing down since spring but rose again in August. The figure is double the pre-recession level and the highest since record-keeping began in 1955

Here’s the link. Read it all

Oil Can on September 8, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Ed,
Very O/T , but this came down from the 9th circus,
against ACLU and other lefty groups..

Federal appeals court tosses lawsuit over CIA ‘torture’ flights

http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_16022130?source=rss

macncheez on September 8, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Admit it.

Obama has brought about the Economic Ice Age.

Nobel Prize awaits.

maverick muse on September 8, 2010 at 3:48 PM

NoDonkey on September 8, 2010 at 3:37 PM

There, there. Try and look at it this way: ObieWanBeDopey is NOT attemtping, nor does he want, to fix our economy. His intention is to destroy as much as possible to bring our whole way of life down. It’s a mission of destruction that plays to the overall statist agenda and environment which he has been born into, raised and mentored in, and now empowered to implement as the Apparatchik-In-Chief to his shadow handlers.

Now, since we all know that the tool and his minions are going to be sent packing starting in November 2010, we have to focus on two things 1)- staying focused on restoring our culture and values and 2) staying focused on continuous spraying to either kill or repulse future roach infestations.

We absolutely do not need or WANT any Bush economic initiatives. We MUST have Reagan economic initiatives to pull out of this. If our elected “conservatives” in November do not do this, they will also be shown the door.

HomeoftheBrave on September 8, 2010 at 3:50 PM

This is heartbreaking.

I am getting sick of news like this. These clowns that the people elected two years ago aren’t just not making this better, they’re actively making it worse.

Red Cloud on September 8, 2010 at 3:51 PM

But, but, but… without Democratic leadership, GDP would undoubtedly shrunk by 50%. I’m sure of that. Traveled to a parallel universe just yesterday to double check the figure.

ButterflyDragon on September 8, 2010 at 3:51 PM

macncheez

In a dissent, Judge Michael Daly Hawkins said the privilege was being applied too broadly and too soon in the litigation. The dissenters argued that the case should proceed to determine if Jeppesen could defend its conduct without “resorting to state secrets evidence.”

From Jeppesen’s side, why should Jeppesen expose anything given that state secrets evidence covers all?

It’s like when should a person begin pleading the 5th? Before spilling the beans or afterwards?

maverick muse on September 8, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Harry Reid: “I had nothing to do with” bad economy

He’s hiding from himself, the ‘big leader’.

Schadenfreude on September 8, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Except if the GOP regains majorities, the donks will blame them for poor performance in 2011 and 2012. Will it stick? I dunno.

a capella on September 8, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Doubtful. First of all, the President always gets the most heat for the nation’s economic state. Bush 41 had a Democrat Congress in 1992, but that didn’t mean squat when he lost his reelection bid. Bush 43 had a Democrat Congress in 2008, but that did little to help McCain. And of course, Bob Dole got little traction from the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994 when he ran in 1996 and the economy was booming.

Obama will have a hard time running against the GOP in 2012 when he’ll have been President for the previous 4 years. Maybe if the economy had been really good before the GOP took over Congress and then proceeded to go downhill, he’d have a case to make. But not with the high unemployment and deficits he’s created.

Doughboy on September 8, 2010 at 3:54 PM

And the young’ns that graduate the next few years and try to enter the job market ask, “What have I done?”

WashJeff on September 8, 2010 at 3:54 PM

HomeoftheBrave on September 8, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Yes, Obama’s antipathy for America, all the while blaming Bush and stooopid Americans bitterly clinging to logic and rule of law for just not getting it. Go ahead, Odopeyone, “explain it” one more time.

maverick muse on September 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Schadenfreude on September 8, 2010 at 3:52 PM

The incredible shrinking Reid.
We all saw him. Soon we won’t.

maverick muse on September 8, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Stubbornly high unemployment and signs of persistent weakness in the housing market….

“Stubbornly”. The new “unexpected”.

BacaDog on September 8, 2010 at 3:57 PM

And the young’ns that graduate the next few years and try to enter the job market ask, “What have I done?”

WashJeff on September 8, 2010 at 3:54 PM

They reap what they sowed, supporting Obama’s campaign.

maverick muse on September 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM

There, there. Try and look at it this way: ObieWanBeDopey is NOT attemtping, nor does he want, to fix our economy. His intention is to destroy as much as possible to bring our whole way of life down. It’s a mission of destruction that plays to the overall statist agenda and environment which he has been born into, raised and mentored in, and now empowered to implement as the Apparatchik-In-Chief to his shadow handlers.
HomeoftheBrave on September 8, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Exactly! Nothing these reptiles do has been by accident, it’s all part of their wet dream to bring down the U.S.to it’s knees, to save the world from Capitalism and Liberty. Luckily their incompetence and infantile inability to actually manage anything (as none of them have ever had a real job before) has meant they have failed in the critical part of their plan, which was to get away with it. They overreached. So unless they can get away with massive vote-rigging (even more than the Dem’s normal shennanigans I mean), or they can cancel the elections completely (beware!) they are going to get a taste of the back of the electorate’s hand!

Blindsummit on September 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Unexpected, I am sure!!!

Did you hear, today Castro admitted communism and state run economies doesn’t work? Who is going to break the news to Obama and his bud Chavez?

tarpon on September 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

I’m shocked i thought the unicorns were going to save us. what happened to the unicorns?

unseen on September 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

They reap what they sowed, supporting Obama’s campaign.

maverick muse on September 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Hopefully while at college that at least learned how to put two and two together.

WashJeff on September 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

2% GDP = Deficit Cliff next time they have to publish numbers

tomg51 on September 8, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Honestly, you do not need a degree to figure out that the economy will not improve while we have toddlers driving the bus.

ORconservative on September 8, 2010 at 3:46 PM

I have a toddler and she’s offended by that remark.

And her crying reminds me of Obama.

I can give her a binky, but how do I make Barry shut up?

NoDonkey on September 8, 2010 at 4:04 PM

I can give her a binky, but how do I make Barry shut up?

NoDonkey on September 8, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Take away his teleprompter.

WashJeff on September 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM

… and in reality, it will likely be worse. There’s not much reason to think that *this* round of estimates from them will be more accurate than before.

Midas on September 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM

what happened to the unicorns?

unseen on September 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

They’ve been deployed to the middle east to sprinkle magic “love the USA” dust on the Iranians and Afghans.

BacaDog on September 8, 2010 at 4:12 PM

And the young’ns that graduate the next few years and try to enter the job market ask, “What have I done?”

WashJeff on September 8, 2010 at 3:54 PM

It’ll be more like, “My God, What have I done?”

UltimateBob on September 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Hardest hit: Reuters’ reporters, who must now abandon the use of all forms of the word “unexpected.”

Why would they do that? To be accurate? It is to laugh!

Hey they’ve got the Oppressive agenda to shove down everyone’s throat, why would they start now being honest and forthright?

Chip on September 8, 2010 at 4:26 PM

I’m shocked i thought the unicorns were going to save us. what happened to the unicorns?

unseen on September 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

There was this “clap if you love Tinkerbell moment” that didn’t go well. Sad, really.

TexasDan on September 8, 2010 at 4:35 PM

This is Karma for reporters who 1) shamelessly shilled for Obama to get him elected (and lost their credibility, as a result)… and 2) put Obama in a position to ruin the economy, thereby causing companies to eliminate expenses like advertising (and those discredited reporters will now lose their jobs, as a result.)

VastRightWingConspirator on September 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM

There was this “clap if you love Tinkerbell moment” that didn’t go well. Sad, really.

TexasDan on September 8, 2010 at 4:35 PM

so you are saying the unicorns abandoned us? We are so doomed.

unseen on September 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Maybe Obama thought that reducing the GDP was the same as reducing our national carbon footprint…

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 8, 2010 at 5:37 PM

Hillary 2012!

GarandFan on September 8, 2010 at 6:56 PM