Palin, Romney denounce Koran-burning
posted at 6:46 pm on September 8, 2010 by Allahpundit
Glenn Beck’s against it too, of course. The grand irony of this crank pastor’s publicity stunt is that he’s trying to force the public to confront a difficult issue — when, if ever, is it appropriate to offend Muslims? — but doing it in such a grotesque, notoriously fascist manner that he’s guaranteed a united front against him among pols and pundits. Denouncing a book-burning is as easy a litmus test for decency as it gets in American politics. So here’s Mitt, for the record:
“Burning the Quran is wrong on every level,” the former Massachusetts governor said in a statement to POLITICO. “It puts troops in danger, and it violates a founding principle of our republic.”…
While Romney was critical of the idea, he did not line up with those who have suggested that Jones should not be permitted to carry out his plan.
And here’s Palin:
Book burning is antithetical to American ideals. People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.
I would hope that Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters will consider the ramifications of their planned book-burning event. It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don’t feed that fire. If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive.
Our nation was founded in part by those fleeing religious persecution. Freedom of religion is integral to our charters of liberty. We don’t need to agree with each other on theological matters, but tolerating each other without unnecessarily provoking strife is how we ensure a civil society. In this as in all things, we should remember the Golden Rule. Isn’t that what the Ground Zero mosque debate has been about?
I have quibbles with both of them about the particulars, albeit not their overall conclusion. Romney’s using the same line as Petraeus in trying to make this about the troops; I explained yesterday why that’s problematic. Palin’s response is better, but while I agree with her basic point about the Ground Zero mosque — just because you have the right to do something doesn’t mean you should — I think that’s a tougher case than this. Like Tom Maguire says, it’s at least possible that Feisal Rauf and his colleagues mean well. I’m skeptical given the questions raised by Hitchens and others about things Rauf has said about, say, the Iranian form of government, and I don’t understand why, if he’s interested in building dialogue, he’d proceed with a project that’s alienated many more people than it’s attracted. But this passage from his op-ed in today’s Times is vastly more encouraging than a book-burning, needless to say:
From the political conflicts between Israelis and Palestinians to the building of a community center in Lower Manhattan, Muslims and members of all faiths must work together if we are ever going to succeed in fostering understanding and peace.
At Cordoba House, we envision shared space for community activities, like a swimming pool, classrooms and a play space for children. There will be separate prayer spaces for Muslims, Christians, Jews and men and women of other faiths. The center will also include a multifaith memorial dedicated to victims of the Sept. 11 attacks.
I am very sensitive to the feelings of the families of victims of 9/11, as are my fellow leaders of many faiths. We will accordingly seek the support of those families, and the support of our vibrant neighborhood, as we consider the ultimate plans for the community center. Our objective has always been to make this a center for unification and healing.
Says Maguire, “The [Koran-burning] pastor surely has the right to deliver a wholly negative message, but he is not trying to change minds and I would not compare that to the mixed message of the Ground Zero mosque.” In fact, some American Muslims also oppose the GZM in the interest of reducing cultural tensions. Some are canceling Eid celebrations this year because they happen to fall this week. (“Particularly, people are taking care not to do any celebrations on the day of 9/11, because it is a day of tragedy and we have to be sensitive. That’s the mood of the Muslims, generally very subdued.”) Others, like Asra Nomani, are using the Koran-burning to encourage introspection among Muslims about the Koran’s more vicious passages and possible paths to reform. Thoughtful, good-faith gestures like that go a long way, which is what I meant last night when I said I hate to think of the Zuhdi Jassers out there having their feelings hurt by this crank’s publicity stunt. You run that risk too with things like “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day,” of course, but I trust in the context there — a series of violent threats against blasphemers — to clarify who the real target is. It’s harder to tell who the target is in this case, and deliberately so per the historical baggage associated with book-burning. I hope this tool’s enjoying his 15 minutes.
Update: To the great surprise of no one, apparently this guy and Fred Phelps have collaborated before.









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At least this pastor is not threatening to chop off heads or blow up buildings. Oh, I almost forgot, Muslims must be treated with kid gloves.
mobydutch on September 8, 2010 at 8:58 PM
The Irony that struck me was that the reason was the y don’t like it when people burn the American flag or the bible…how do they address it by burning the Quaran. If you don’t like it done to something you value why do it to something they value? It seems extremely childish to me
JKotthoff on September 8, 2010 at 9:01 PM
….and every other silly comment equating the burning of ONE KORAN in protest to the mass burning of books by fascist governments: -nonsense.
This is clearly a protest, not a movement to ‘ban korans’. This is more comparable to the burning of a US flag or an effigy of a US president than mass book burnings. When a US flag is burned do we hear moaning that this means all US flags must be burned, or that this will lead to the burning of Americans? Horsecrap.
This false comparison is dredged up by those afraid to confront the evils of islam, content to be useful idiots.
slickwillie2001 on September 8, 2010 at 9:02 PM
I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.
Alexis de Tocqueville also said,
No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country. This is what our troops being held hostage in Afghanistan is helping to do to America – endangering our freedoms, such as the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, even more. Are you listening, General Petraues? Mitt Romney? Sarah Palin? Glenn Beck? Alexis de Tocqueville was 10 times as intelligent as all of you four put together will ever be. Listen to him, you fools. Can’t one of you at least get your head out of your rectum?
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Oh, my, where to start… first of all, it IS a free society, if we can’t do it here then it ISN’T a free society anymore.
Secondly, “thuggish” behavior. Hmmmm, dictionary result says:
Somehow I don’t think “thuggish” means what you think it means. Heck, this isn’t even what we here call “Chicago thug behavior” i.e. Black Panthers standing in front of polls with billy clubs and intimidating white folks. Nope. Not even comparable!
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Case in Point: Stop poking crazy Paul!
TimeTraveler on September 8, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Michelle is numero uno on my list of courageous pundits, but this “study, learn, spread the word to others” advice doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.
What? Become a scholar to learn that Islam is anathema to everything free civilized people hold sacred (I’m assuming that’s the lesson to be learned)and then pass this lesson on?
Brian, don’t you see that one “spreading the word,” in the eyes of Muslims and dhimmis, is just as “hateful and whacky” as the current Koran burner.
So, what’s constructive about this?
Gang-of-One on September 8, 2010 at 9:05 PM
This is what our men and women overseas are fighting for???????
picklesgap on September 8, 2010 at 9:06 PM
Light em up. The enemy strength needs to be tested. If the moderate Muslim proclaim tolerance, we are in good shape. If all Muslim call this a provocative action and proclaim vengeance. Then we know what we are up against.
Remember, Osoma in the name of Islam declared war on the United States. And to this day we do not know the size, capabilities or tactics of the enemy. This can draw them out. General Pertraus Get ready!
Allah Akbar
serendip2b on September 8, 2010 at 9:08 PM
MohammadAl Qur’anWhere’s my frikkin’ e-fatwa?
profitsbeard on September 8, 2010 at 9:09 PM
Palin and Romney’s different responses are important to note.
Romney trots out the fashionable, lazy and specious line about the book-burning posing dangers to our troops. Romney here, like Petraeus, is ignorantly giving credence to a highly dangerous line of argument which can be used multifariously in the cause of future censorships. No self-respecting free-speech advocate in tune with the precariousness of our First Amendment in these times could ever countenance a Romney candidacy after hearing this verbal slop.
Palin is both more precise and traditionally American, and invokes the Christian spirit.
The issue as presented here also reveals the embarrassing level of benefit-of-doubt ignorance about Islam among HA commentators.
The whole affair is depressing.
rrpjr on September 8, 2010 at 9:10 PM
There’s an app for that.
JetBoy on September 8, 2010 at 9:11 PM
OF course burning the Koran is a bad idea, anyone with a lick of sense can see that, but we gave people the right to do so. Building a Mosque near Ground Zero is a bad idea as well, but they have rights as well. Stupid as both may be, I don’t know that there is anything we can do to stop either one of them.
scalleywag on September 8, 2010 at 9:12 PM
Quit attributing words or ideas to me that I never expressed. I said burning the Quran is stupid, not that it would lead to burning of all Qurans or to the burning of people. Here’s a good idea: why don’t Christians “protest” by being more Christian?
ddrintn on September 8, 2010 at 9:12 PM
profitsbeard on September 8, 2010 at 7:52 PM
Yes to the abve, and the pastor has also proved that Mittens and especially Palin are capitulators.
I thank God I never liked this woman and never was all that into Mittens either because today they have proved that in the face of our most ardent enemy, they are weak-kneed, lily-livered, uninformed capitulators. And, maybe even “un-American” to boot!
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM
The intensity with which this stupid episode is being covered just shows that the mainstream media are desperate for a counterweight to the GZM thing.
ddrintn on September 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM
3 million dead Armenians, 4 million dead black Sudanese, and the Byzantine Empire were strangely unavailable for comment?????
picklesgap on September 8, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Yep. WHen Obama was on the wrong side of public opinion on the mosque, and when the public saw being “anti islam” in that case as “correct”, the MSM started frothing to find something as ‘balance’.
This rally has been planned for MONTHS. it’s not new! the msm would NOT touch this if obama was still in the 60% range.
picklesgap on September 8, 2010 at 9:16 PM
What makes it dangerous is potential violent reaction from radical Muslims. What makes it wrong is that it’s an act of malevolent act destruction that ignorantly vilifies an entire religion for the acts of a small radicalized group.
That’s the HUGE difference between what Rauf and this pastor are trying to accomplish. And I really don’t get the skepticism toward Rauf’s intentions. Sure, he’s said some things about 9/11 and America’s role in kind of stoking those jihadi fires — but that’s not really a radical opinion.
There is no evidence that this guy is sponsoring terrorism, being sponsored by terrorists or would ever engage or promote any type of terrorism. Period. I’m all for a healthy skepticism in general, really, this guy is not a terrorist. He’s nowhere near being a radical. Of course, that won’t stop people from making extremely weak “guilt-by-association” smears that lead to “rational” conservatives like Allah saying they are “skeptical,” which I frankly this is a joke and a cop out.
Tom_Shipley on September 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM
PercyB on September 8, 2010 at 7:54 PM
:) Very true. Spoken from one of my other favorite posters.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM
I do have to wonder…would this preacher also burn this book?
JetBoy on September 8, 2010 at 9:21 PM
I have a hard time getting worked up about this. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it his right? YES.
Muslims have elevated the “stupid” to the highest reactionary level. They killed people over cartoons and continue to hunt the cartoonists. Burning the Koran is a lot higher on the offensive meter than cartoon drawing, but they put it up on the same level. Everything offends them. When everything offends, nothing offends. They did this to themselves.
JAM on September 8, 2010 at 9:21 PM
A total hypocrite? That would be quite an achievement. I don’t think I have ever scored 100% on anything. And I doubt that you have either. I am not making exactly the same “move” that the left made in defense of the Ground Zero mosque. Your simply declaring from on High such to be the case because you do not like what I have said, and do not seem able to respond in any other way, does not make it in any way so.
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 9:22 PM
Unfortunately, that simple idea is lost on many self-declared Christians.
JetBoy on September 8, 2010 at 9:23 PM
Simple question. Why not build it elsewhere. Take this example for a clue
William Amos on September 8, 2010 at 9:24 PM
so his recently ‘hidden’ webpages on “The Sharia Project”, whose goal is to bring sharia law to the usa, aren’t suspicious? the fact that he is going to raise $100M for this project and has $10K right now, that doesn’t ring a bell of “WHO is paying for this”? the fact that what – something like 50% of american mosques financially support groups on the state terror list doesn’t concern you?
Oh well. I bet he’s “moderate”. Never mind that whole caliphate business of, yknow, MUHAMMADS ACTUAL LIFE — no, no, he’s a “good Muslim”.
I mean, like 2 minutes on the internet, or 2 SECONDS reading the Koran, or 2 minutes reading about the political history of Islam would give you some insight….
picklesgap on September 8, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 8:02 PM
Amen.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 9:27 PM
Michelle Malkin: That’s what you resort to when you’re losing the debate — name-calling and ad hominem.
Lawrence Talbot on September 8, 2010 at 9:28 PM
Sorry, but had to laugh at this.
Gang-of-One on September 8, 2010 at 9:31 PM
Hey Daisy Khan,
*waves*
how’vubin ?
macncheez on September 8, 2010 at 9:32 PM
By the way, anyone else noticed that the builders of the GZM have gone back to the name ‘Cordoba Center’? I expected that, and it only took a couple of weeks.
slickwillie2001 on September 8, 2010 at 9:33 PM
Al-LOL!
profitsbeard on September 8, 2010 at 9:37 PM
The “terrorist” angle is a red-herring. The fact that a planned mosque might go up while there’s still a gaping hole in the ground where the WTC used to be is offensive. Period. Not illegal, not immoral, but offensive. I don’t care if Rauf is Gandhi Jr.
ddrintn on September 8, 2010 at 9:37 PM
This, from a gay catholic.
Now I’ve heard it all.
Inanemergencydial on September 8, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Liberals and democrats and liberal-democrats weep hardest when an American flag is burned.
Right?
Inanemergencydial on September 8, 2010 at 9:40 PM
Smoke em if ya got em.
royzer on September 8, 2010 at 9:46 PM
Seems burning an American flag is excusable but burning a, or 300 , Koran is despicable.
Sorry gullible ones, Islam is only about conquest. Any and all means are “fair”. “Rules? Islam don’t need no f’n rules.!”
The good news is that Islam dare not disclose its motives. The primary “tactics” are to undermine and infiltrate a target country. And the current object is to reduce the world to Sudan or Zimbabwe level.
Islam cannot prevail. The Battle of Tours demonstrated that in 732. But Muslims are tenacious in their corruption. It was only in 1492 that Muslims were finally expelled from Spain. You want your kids to live under Islam for 760 years?
Burn, pastor burn.
The quote that sticks was when the reporter person asked, “Are you armed?” The pastor says, “Yes.” Wanna bet how many “protesters” show up? BTW, Florida is a shall issue state for concealed carry.
Bets are tons of propaganda media show up to no purpose. Wish I had more notice. I’d have sent matches.
Islam Delenda Est
Caststeel on September 8, 2010 at 9:46 PM
BTW, that is not at all a very good summation of what I have said, council. Although I actually do not think they should be criticized in such a foul manner, I have never said they can’t be criticized. They have been attacked and I am attacking their attackers back.
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM
Guess I should just sit back and let you prove my point exactly.
JetBoy on September 8, 2010 at 9:49 PM
Surveys have shown that significant numbers of muslims support terrorist acts such as suicide bombings; numbers range from around 20% in the US and UK to much higher numbers in muslim countries. The notion that only a tiny minority of muslims support the radical views is simply wrong and dangerously naive.
Poll: 1 in 4 U.S. Young Muslims OK With Homicide Bombings Against Civilians
Many more disturbing surveys out there, and easy to find.
slickwillie2001 on September 8, 2010 at 9:52 PM
The only point here is the one on top of your head.
Inanemergencydial on September 8, 2010 at 9:54 PM
Well maybe you have just come up with a compromise solution. Maybe Sarah, Mitt, Glenn, Allah, the left, and the rest would give their collective blessing if the Christian Pastor wrapped the korans in an American Flag before burning them. By the time the fire burnt through enough of the American Flag to expose that there were books inside they would be burnt beyond recognition. No one could tell if they were korans or a book by Micheal Savage. Just a thought.
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 9:55 PM
JAM on September 8, 2010 at 9:21 PM
You are right on. I am a Christian. But just like the founding Fathers, I have a more secular approach, especially when it comes to the public square and governing. Im looking for the secular Muslim. One who use the good book for wisdom but uses common sense more so to deal with modern life and governing.
I want to draw out the moderate Muslim also so I can stand with them in Liberty. If we don’t get to the next generation of Muslim quickly in the ways of Liberty we are in a lot of trouble.
Multicultural be dammed. They didn’t come to America to maintain their religious status quo. And if they did (in the case of Islam) the will always be offended by a modern society.
And unlike “Conquest of the Planet of the Apes” I will not back down. I see now reason to limit my Freedom for the sake of Barbaric Religious beliefs. Islam needs to liberate itself from certain aspects of the Koran for the sake of the world. Both I and Ahmadinejad know where this will go. The question in when and how many people will perish.
serendip2b on September 8, 2010 at 9:57 PM
That is not a point. It is a targeting circle for the muslims.
Murphy9 on September 8, 2010 at 9:57 PM
You’re quite the brain-trust. You say more about yourself, and I don’t need to say a word. Peace.
JetBoy on September 8, 2010 at 9:58 PM
Asians Girl on Septemer 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM
Congratulations for squaring the circle, to come to the conclusion simultaneously that you hate both Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney.
technopeasant on September 8, 2010 at 9:58 PM
My land, it’s not a comparison–it’s a discussion of why people react so viscerally to people burning books.
DrMagnolias on September 8, 2010 at 9:59 PM
Startling news: Gateway Pundit gets it. AP, Palin and Mittens do not:
“Why has this issue gotten so much attention? The ONLY news that should have EVER gotten attention is not “Burn a Koran Day”, it’s the REACTION of Islamists threatening suicide bombings over this stupid publicity stunt.”
Palin typed: “Our nation was founded in part by those fleeing religious persecution.” Oh yeah, Islam is all about religious tolerance. Moslems don’t immigrate, they invade. Have no doubt that the peaceful moderates of Islam will stand by and cheer when/if sharia law is imposed upon us kaffirs.
Kalapana on September 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM
She didn’t say she hated them. You should not make false accusations by trying to put words in her mouth.
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM
I’ll see your “disturbing” and raise you a preparation. ??
No big deal. it’s what Americans do.
Islam Delenda Est
Caststeel on September 8, 2010 at 10:10 PM
I hope this “pastor” has a good safe place to hide for ah…the rest of his life!
CCRWM on September 8, 2010 at 10:13 PM
If the Christian Pastor, or members of his small congregation, whom they have heaped so much abuse and publicity on is actually murdered, they will all have to come up with something to say much better than – he brought it on himself.
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Kalapana on September 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM
By your line of reasoning Ron Paul should be leap-frogging to the top of the polls at anytime.
technopeasant on September 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM
You make a mistake. The solution is not compromise against an existential enemy. Neville Chamerlian did that and we know how that worked.
Islam Delenda Est
Caststeel on September 8, 2010 at 10:16 PM
And that would be a shame as I don’t think Sarah Palin would look her best in a burka.
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 10:16 PM
SWMBO calls feeding time. Ta.
Islam Delenda Est
Caststeel on September 8, 2010 at 10:19 PM
hold the phone allah agrees with Palin more so than Mitt. news at 11
unseen on September 8, 2010 at 10:22 PM
Has any critical thought gone beyond what this ‘statement’ is to make one feel other than childish and absurd?
And then, if so, what does that look like?
anuts on September 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM
The Koran, even more so than Mein Kampf, is a deadly serious instruction manual for Muslims on bringing subjugation, death and Lord of the Flies Hell to the whole world. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Jeckle on September 8, 2010 at 10:27 PM
JKotthoff on September 8, 2010 at 9:01 PM
I support the right to burn the flag. I myself hung the flag upside down when Clinton capitulated to Castro. I don’t care if someone burns the Bible, the physical form of God’s word is not sacred. In fact, God tells us not to worship things.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 10:27 PM
You may well be right. But burning Korans isn’t going to solve a gad darned thing.
JetBoy on September 8, 2010 at 10:29 PM
Why? There is well documented evidence that if you “insult” Islam” some muslim will declare a fatwa against you and you could end up getting killed. Rushdie, Van Gogh, SouthPark creators. the Dutch politicians, the guy who drew Mohammad, can attest to this…
CCRWM on September 8, 2010 at 10:30 PM
They can say “his chickenzzzzz, -are coming home, -to roost.”
Ooops, I guess that has already been used.
slickwillie2001 on September 8, 2010 at 10:31 PM
OT: Why is Obama firing his only Jewish advisor?
faraway on September 8, 2010 at 10:32 PM
You want a true Moderate Muslim? Try my good friend Adnan Barqawi
SgtSVJones on September 8, 2010 at 10:32 PM
Lt.Col. Allen West schools the ignorant and evaders on the nature of Islam in under two minutes. AP, do us all a favor and give it a listen. Then, take West’s advice to heart and educate yourself on the nature of our enemy. That enemy’s name is Islam.
Kalapana on September 8, 2010 at 10:33 PM
Lets say your a parent and bring home a children’s book. Upon opening it, little Sally notices but a few stories and the rest of the hundreds of pages are hard core porn. As a parent what would you do? Tear out the stories or burn the whole dayum book? I say torch it! I say take a stand! Petraeus really blew it on this one. Instead of taking it out on the terrorists and blaming them, he takes it out on a small church of 50 people. This is really hard to believe that this it has ballooned into the spectacle spotlight of liberal media poo bah circle jerk!
KentAllard on September 8, 2010 at 10:34 PM
technopeasant on September 8, 2010 at 9:58 PM
Actually, I “hated” them both for awhile :)
And the name’s “Aslan’s Girl” with an “L” not an “I”.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 10:36 PM
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM
Thank you, Luka. “Hate” is a pretty strong word, but I do strongly dislike the both of them and am disturbed by how much sway they (especially Palin) has. It’s dangerous.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 10:38 PM
The secret simply will not keep
For America is losing too much sleep
It’s time to break the spell
Who is Allen West and what is he up to, do tell?
Rumor has it he’s a cannoneer
He’s a reckless buccaneer
I hear he carries several guns with many clips
He’s the annihilator of Islam creeps with information on their lying at his fingertips
They say he’s nearly seven feet tall
And yet quite graceful… … all in all
I’m told there are lightning bolts when he walks
And thunder when he talks
He’s been many times seen
Wearing DCU and then full OD green
I hear he’s steely as you please
He could be Samurai Japanese
He may be shrewd
He may be rude
Ah well, it’s hard to tell
Who is this Allen West, do tell?
The Muslims and their supporters may think he comes from hell
But he may come from somewhere just around the dell
But he will be here and he will be there
You could see him bringing Hell on Islam most any time and most anywhere
He meddles with the Islamic Devolution
Stomping them mightily throughout each week
Spoiling every Imam’s useful idiot’s lying elocution
La, what cheek!
PercyB on September 8, 2010 at 10:40 PM
PercyB on September 8, 2010 at 10:40 PM
*Applause*.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Kalapana on September 8, 2010 at 10:33 PM
Thank you so much! Now there’s a guy who earns the title of having guts*! Gah, I wish he was already in elected office and was plannnig to run in ’12. He and Bolton would be such a dream team!
-Aslan’s Girl
* sorry, but I find “cajones” vulgar and only used it earlier b/c Palin used it even though there are times when she doesn’t have any.
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 10:49 PM
Screw it, let’s nuke Mecca and get it over with.
Brian1972 on September 8, 2010 at 10:50 PM
It has already helped to make clear where people stand. A number of people who can not be counted on to support freedom have revealed themselves.
And if the Koran was burned page by page after the set upon small Christian Church pastor read evil passages from it, it could be quite educational as so many people still think that Islam is just another religion.
Remember, many probably said the Boston Tea party would accomplish nothing and just insult King George. To judge them by their own words, Romney and Palin likely would have been in that group if they had lived back then.
Jeckle on September 8, 2010 at 10:53 PM
people please come off of the ledge. this is a man burning a few books, it is not thuggish or fascist. It has now become so important for him to burn these books exactly because there are near unanimous calls for him not to.
Why doesn’t Obama comment that he supports the pastors right to do this but that he will not comment on the wisdom of it? Oh that’s right, tolerance and rights are a one way street.
Myself I will be listening very closely after this event, for the many millions of voices of moderate and tolerant Muslims that we are told exist out there who will come forward and say that although they detested the burning of the book, that they in no way support any kind of violent response because the pastor was well within his right to do so.
Then I will also tally up the number of beheadings, suicide bombings and other acts of violence, and we’ll get a good idea just how moderate and tolerant this “great” religion is.
exceller on September 8, 2010 at 10:56 PM
Oh, please. Enough of this inane comparing of burning the Quran with the Boston Tea Party. Overheated rhetoric notwithstanding, we aren’t under any friggin’ caliphate.
ddrintn on September 8, 2010 at 10:56 PM
Rauf’s mosque investor is a terrorist funder.
AshleyTKing on September 8, 2010 at 11:00 PM
You are really stretching all reason with that.
This is in no way anything like the Boston Tea Party.
It is one idiot pastor who is going to make the US Military’s job even more dangerous than it already is, and for what.
Nothing but his own self aggrandizement.
It is strategically stupid. Dividing the enemy from the people he hides among is what got Al Queda in Iraq defeated.
This will be used as a uniting force, growing the support for those we wish to isolate.
Our soldiers deserve better than this from the homefront.
Brian1972 on September 8, 2010 at 11:02 PM
Do you remember the sweep of your earlier deeds
The sound of them strumming the free Alaskan sky?
But oh how your melody’s changed
Your words now only whisper goodbye
I don’t want to morn when I think of you
But now after what you have said, Sarah, I do
PercyB on September 8, 2010 at 11:03 PM
AP, why should burning a book be fascist? It is only fascist if done by the government. Is burning flags fascist, too? Or bras? Or effigies? When done by a citizen, it is an act of free speech just as burning any of the aforementioned, so please spare us the insinuations of Nazi Germany.
keep the change on September 8, 2010 at 11:06 PM
How melodramatic.
You got a kid who may be going to Afghanistan in the next 18 months?
Brian1972 on September 8, 2010 at 11:06 PM
Do you mean even more dangerous than Petraeus’ almost Code Pink ROE in Afghanistan have made it for the troops? The man took a sworn oath to the U.S. Constitution, including it’s First Amendment, which he seems to have forgotten all about, NOT to the murdering, torturing, pedophile Mohammad’s inhuman koran.
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 11:13 PM
Brian1972 on September 8, 2010 at 11:02 PM
I honestly don’t see how it can get “more dangerous”. Honestly. They are already murdering thugs. As someone said earlier in the other thread, how can they top themselves? Being murderous thugs and sticking their tongues out? They already behead non-Muzzies, they already fly planes into skyscrapers, they already leave IEDs all over the place, they already butcher captured soldiers… what else can they possibly do? They seem to have already demoralized some as well.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 11:16 PM
BTW, Petreaus really likes to blood libel. Now he is blaming a small Christian Church for increasing the risk to American troops. A few months ago he was blaming Israel (the Jews!) for increasing the risk to American troops. He is the one increasing their risk with his anti-Solder and anti-Marine almost Code Pink ROE. He is becoming almost beneath contempt. Both the Founding fathers and George Patton, a real General, would slap him into next Sunday.
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM
Yahweh, David Petraeus
Would never okay the way you do your thing
Ding ding ding, ding ding ding
And you’ll get yours, David Petraeus
Coddlin’ and even sidin’ with that Islam stuff like you do
Boo hoo hoo, boo hoo hoo
Where have you gone, General George S. Patton?
Our troops turn their longing eyes to you
What’s that you say, David Petraeus?
You have banished ‘ol Blood and Guts far away
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey
Coo coo ca-choo, David Petraeus
Mohammad appreciates you more than you will know
Woo woo woo, woo woo woo
Allah blesses you, yes, David Petraeus
He may grant some small temporary mercy to those infidels who their own attack and betray
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey
Cheshire Cat on September 8, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM
Yes, and why I’m disgusted with Mittens today. “Blood libel” is a pretty good summation.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 11:22 PM
My understanding is that McChrystal’s ROE were rather restrictive, and now that Petreaus has taken over direct command there he has liberated them to some degree.
In any case, his approach turned around Operation Iraqi Freedom, enabled the Anbar Awakening so AQ in Iraq got their asses kicked by our troops with a lot more help from the locals than before.
It will be the men and women under his command that will have the consequences of this moron’s protest fired at their heads.
I think Gen Petreaus has proven he knows more than anyone on this board about the Mid East and the cultures there.
So if you don’t mind, I’ll be taking his word on this one.
Brian1972 on September 8, 2010 at 11:23 PM
You fail to make the distinction between the terrorists we are fighting, their sympathizers and the other people in country who are glad we are there to keep the jihadis off their backs, and who help our forces with intelligence tips and other forms of partnership.
There is a difference.
Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 11:16 PM
Brian1972 on September 8, 2010 at 11:26 PM
Holy crap, that was really awful poetry.
Brian1972 on September 8, 2010 at 11:27 PM
SgtSVJones on September 8, 2010 at 10:32 PM
My post concerning Muslim are somewhat rhetorical. Its for Muslims to answer. They all know where this is going. And they will have to choose who they are and take care of business. If not don’t blame us when the days of reckoning happens.
I pray for a Muslim enlightenment. A moderate Iman could issue a Fatwah against inhuman Islamic interpretations and practices. But I doubt this so I guess I have to get ready for game day. And just for the record The Ground Zero Debris Field Victory Mosque is truly fighting words.
We didn’t pick or choose this fight but we will finish it. America job is to preserve Liberty and Freedom for all. Not to be multicultural. Not to submit to Allah.
Just let this sleeping dog lie.
serendip2b on September 8, 2010 at 11:32 PM
If you must know, if it was up to me no American youth would be going to Afghanistan and certainly not after 10 years. But if they were the would not be hobbled by a serve the people of Islam General. He reminds me of Chauvelin. Now, I must really get back to adjusting my cravat. It’s sticking out like a pincushion.
PercyB on September 8, 2010 at 11:34 PM
I’ll take that as a no.
Sarah Palin does have a son who may be deployed to Afghanistan with the US Army.
I can see how she might not want to inflame ordinary people to the side of the enemies her son may have to confront in person.
So now you all agree with MoveOn.org’s cute little ad?
General Betrayus? That is where you are now?
Good grief, it’s worse than I thought.
Brian1972 on September 8, 2010 at 11:39 PM
Well, your understanding does not square with reality. You should do some research. I get a little tired of going over the same ground yet again.
Just a sample and a word to the wise – think twice and then twice again before you attack the source -
No Fire Support; No Glasses; More ‘Chai’; No Warrior Friendly Change!
For those who held out hope that the ROE was going to undergo a ‘positive transformation’ under General Petraeus, you will be disappointed. This is the point where I am suppose to say; ‘I told you so’.
This morning I got a note from Andy Bostom, a good friend with a passion for the welfare of our troops, with what is now the official release of the good General’s assessment of the ROE and his intent. From the story: “Going several steps better, General Petraeus has reportedly expanded the ban on air strikes and artillery fire to all types of buildings, tree-lined areas and hillsides where it is difficult to distinguish who is on the ground.” The fact is, not only has he deemed the ROE as proper, he has deemed it not tight enough.
He has even determined that the wearing of Oakley, polycarbonate safety glasses by our American Warriors to be detrimental to the apparent security of the Afghan population. He has directed that all, ‘in-country’, make great efforts to meet and greet the locals, without the glasses. For those of you who don’t know, those glasses use ballistic lenses that protect against the micro-sand famous in desert terrain, shrapnel, flying debris and, oh yeah; intense sunlight.
Luka on September 8, 2010 at 11:47 PM
Give General Petraeus just a little more time
And the Afghan’s love for Americans will surely grow
Give him just a little more time
And the Afghan’s love for Americans will surely grow
Ever leaving Afghanistan would be a big mistake
Let’s think of how wonderful Islam can be and hesitate
Almost broke and the troops as tired as they may be
But there’s no need for America to act in it’s own interest selfishly
If we part Afghanistan, Allah won’t forget it
Decades from now he’ll surely make us regret it
Unlike General Petraeus you don’t understand how wonderful Islam can be and you’re in a hurry
They’re not eager to help us at all but don’t you worry
General Petraeus will win their Shariah Hearts and Minds and then they’ll want a better Islamic way of life
But these things don’t come overnight
Don’t give up ‘cos Afghan progress has been oh so slow
General Petraeus is surly gonna win their Shariah Hearts and Minds if he just even more with courageous restrain does go
Cheshire Cat on September 8, 2010 at 11:54 PM
Confucius say: When many lose their heads, many lose their heads.
SuperCool on September 8, 2010 at 11:59 PM
Ann Coulter’s latest column is on this issue. She comes to the same conclusion as Sarah Palin. And ties up her column and the whole issue quite succinctly.
miConsevative on September 9, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Burn ‘em. And draw cartoons of mohammed the peophile, too. This iman in NYC likes to talk about tolerance, lets see some from them, then. They want to kill me because I’m not a muslim, ef ‘em.
Mirimichi on September 9, 2010 at 12:18 AM
miConsevative on September 9, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Wow, that Ann sure is on a roll of wrong lately. She’s been wrong, wrong, wrong… can’t remember the last time I agreed with her.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on September 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM
People who go crazy and become homicidal over the mocking of one of their symbola are dangerously unstable.
Maybe Muslims need to learn restraint.
And to mature,
And become civilized.
And not be coddled like psychopathic toddlers with cosmic colic.
The more that infantile lunacy is tolerated and excused, the more of it you get.
It’s a symbol, stupids.
profitsbeard on September 9, 2010 at 1:11 AM
I was all for the koran burning at first, but it was an emotional manifestation of the hatred I have for the evil doers behind 9/11 and the 9/11 victory mosque. After some soul searching I’ve come to the conclusion that support for the koran burning is really not the Christian thing to do and as a Christian nation we need to really just pray that all muslims eventually find Jesus as their own personal Savior.
long_cat on September 9, 2010 at 1:27 AM
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