Palin, Romney denounce Koran-burning

posted at 6:46 pm on September 8, 2010 by Allahpundit

Glenn Beck’s against it too, of course. The grand irony of this crank pastor’s publicity stunt is that he’s trying to force the public to confront a difficult issue — when, if ever, is it appropriate to offend Muslims? — but doing it in such a grotesque, notoriously fascist manner that he’s guaranteed a united front against him among pols and pundits. Denouncing a book-burning is as easy a litmus test for decency as it gets in American politics. So here’s Mitt, for the record:

“Burning the Quran is wrong on every level,” the former Massachusetts governor said in a statement to POLITICO. “It puts troops in danger, and it violates a founding principle of our republic.”…

While Romney was critical of the idea, he did not line up with those who have suggested that Jones should not be permitted to carry out his plan.

And here’s Palin:

Book burning is antithetical to American ideals. People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.

I would hope that Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters will consider the ramifications of their planned book-burning event. It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don’t feed that fire. If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive.

Our nation was founded in part by those fleeing religious persecution. Freedom of religion is integral to our charters of liberty. We don’t need to agree with each other on theological matters, but tolerating each other without unnecessarily provoking strife is how we ensure a civil society. In this as in all things, we should remember the Golden Rule. Isn’t that what the Ground Zero mosque debate has been about?

I have quibbles with both of them about the particulars, albeit not their overall conclusion. Romney’s using the same line as Petraeus in trying to make this about the troops; I explained yesterday why that’s problematic. Palin’s response is better, but while I agree with her basic point about the Ground Zero mosque — just because you have the right to do something doesn’t mean you should — I think that’s a tougher case than this. Like Tom Maguire says, it’s at least possible that Feisal Rauf and his colleagues mean well. I’m skeptical given the questions raised by Hitchens and others about things Rauf has said about, say, the Iranian form of government, and I don’t understand why, if he’s interested in building dialogue, he’d proceed with a project that’s alienated many more people than it’s attracted. But this passage from his op-ed in today’s Times is vastly more encouraging than a book-burning, needless to say:

From the political conflicts between Israelis and Palestinians to the building of a community center in Lower Manhattan, Muslims and members of all faiths must work together if we are ever going to succeed in fostering understanding and peace.

At Cordoba House, we envision shared space for community activities, like a swimming pool, classrooms and a play space for children. There will be separate prayer spaces for Muslims, Christians, Jews and men and women of other faiths. The center will also include a multifaith memorial dedicated to victims of the Sept. 11 attacks.

I am very sensitive to the feelings of the families of victims of 9/11, as are my fellow leaders of many faiths. We will accordingly seek the support of those families, and the support of our vibrant neighborhood, as we consider the ultimate plans for the community center. Our objective has always been to make this a center for unification and healing.

Says Maguire, “The [Koran-burning] pastor surely has the right to deliver a wholly negative message, but he is not trying to change minds and I would not compare that to the mixed message of the Ground Zero mosque.” In fact, some American Muslims also oppose the GZM in the interest of reducing cultural tensions. Some are canceling Eid celebrations this year because they happen to fall this week. (“Particularly, people are taking care not to do any celebrations on the day of 9/11, because it is a day of tragedy and we have to be sensitive. That’s the mood of the Muslims, generally very subdued.”) Others, like Asra Nomani, are using the Koran-burning to encourage introspection among Muslims about the Koran’s more vicious passages and possible paths to reform. Thoughtful, good-faith gestures like that go a long way, which is what I meant last night when I said I hate to think of the Zuhdi Jassers out there having their feelings hurt by this crank’s publicity stunt. You run that risk too with things like “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day,” of course, but I trust in the context there — a series of violent threats against blasphemers — to clarify who the real target is. It’s harder to tell who the target is in this case, and deliberately so per the historical baggage associated with book-burning. I hope this tool’s enjoying his 15 minutes.

Update: To the great surprise of no one, apparently this guy and Fred Phelps have collaborated before.


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long_cat: *rolls eyes*. Yeah, Jesus would never sanction this sort of thing. Nope. He never kicked out the money changers from the Temple with a whip or anything. And it isn’t in Revelation that He’ll cast all the “goats” into the Lake of Fire.
I actually think that throwing this piece of filth into a bonfire could actually be a darn good witness to the adherents of Islam. Cpuld let them know just how strongly Christians feel about it being from the devil.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 9, 2010 at 1:35 AM

Ann Coulter’s latest column is on this issue. She comes to the same conclusion as Sarah Palin. And ties up her column and the whole issue quite succinctly.

The reason not to burn Qurans is that it’s unkind — not to jihadists, but to Muslims who mean us no harm. The same goes for building a mosque at ground zero — in both cases, it’s not a question of anyone’s “rights,” it’s just a nasty thing to do.

miConsevative on September 9, 2010 at 12:08 AM

Hearing Ann Coulter telling others to refrain from “nasty” behavior is almost as ridiculously funny as when she said she was going to vote for Hillary if it ended up being her vs. McCain! Sorry, Ann, your lectures are more morally impotent than you realize.

I do agree that burning the Koran is an unnecessary and counterproductive tactic – if you want to eliminate a hornets’ nest, isn’t it more easily done when the hornets are relatively docile, and not riled up? However, that’s beside the biggest point here, which is that all of the hysterical people crying about ‘fascistic’ book-burning are focusing their attention in the wrong direction – the bad Rev. Jones isn’t the most offensive offender here, it’s the nutcase Muslims who don’t like the freedom we enjoy because it’s an obstacle to their attempts at domination and control.

Why do all of you who are fretting about the upcoming Koran-burning let a lone freak like Jones get you so hot and bothered? Do you believe he should be prevented by force from accomplishing his goal or something? Why aren’t you standing up more for Jones’ right to be as much of an ass as he wants under the banner of liberty than you are for fragile sensitivities of those Muslims who will be offended to the point of physically infringing on the rights of others who would offend them?

Hyperbolically comparing Jones’ intentions to that of fascists is servicing the desires of the real fascists in all of the this, which makes you enablers of fascism. Sorry if that truth hurts, but if you’re intellectual honest, it’s an inescapable one.

Bizarro No. 1 on September 9, 2010 at 2:08 AM

At this point he doesn’t need to burn the Qur’an. He’s proven the point. Islam is a dangerous out of control ideology of death, destruction, persecution, and hate. He’s illustrated this perfectly. Islam’s first approach to criticism is violence,

Contrast it with Bibles and crucifixes burned, dunked in urine, and otherwise degraded. People protested. Nobody got violent.

Islam is not suited for the modern world and needs to be criticized, ridiculed, and pushed out of any relevance to anybody.

{^_^}

herself on September 9, 2010 at 4:19 AM

Yes to the abve, and the pastor has also proved that Mittens and especially Palin are capitulators.

I thank God I never liked this woman and never was all that into Mittens either because today they have proved that in the face of our most ardent enemy, they are weak-kneed, lily-livered, uninformed capitulators. And, maybe even “un-American” to boot!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM

You’re being too polite by using “maybe” there, so let me respectfully correct what you said.

It isn’t un-American to burn a book which is your own property for whatever reason you want; what’s un-American is telling a nitwit like Jones that pursuing his happiness on his terms, which are unpopular ones in this case, is un-American.

As I pointed out in my last post, the people who are focused on irresponsibly saying that Jones is acting fascistically are truly the ones who are, AP, Palin, and Romney included.

Bizarro No. 1 on September 9, 2010 at 4:22 AM

I think Gen Petreaus has proven he knows more than anyone on this board about the Mid East and the cultures there.

Brian1972 on September 8, 2010 at 11:23 PM

The fact that you are ignorant about the ME and its various cultures doesn’t mean everyone on this board is. And yes, absolute credit to General Petreaus for his success, but that doesn’t change the fact that his ROE are based on wishful thinking, “hearts and minds” PC nonsense that completely ignore the nature of these societies (spare me the “some people like us” response, when our troops die while waiting for permission to defend themselves). Your absurd “General Betrayus” comment is meant to intimidate into silence anyone who dares examine any decision by someone you apparently believe should be called General He-Who-Cannot-Be-Questioned. You’d be better off reading Diana West than looking to the General for an understanding of Islam and its barbaric cultures.

DrMagnolias on September 9, 2010 at 4:52 AM

Could someone explain to me how a crackpot pastor of a church that has some 50 congregants announces that he is burning copies of the Quran and THAT becomes international news?

ddrintn on September 8, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Because it takes attention off of the fact that Barry and his cohorts are over there in that field digging the hole in which they plan to bury America.

jimmy2shoes on September 9, 2010 at 5:27 AM

Yes to the abve, and the pastor has also proved that Mittens and especially Palin are capitulators.

I thank God I never liked this woman and never was all that into Mittens either because today they have proved that in the face of our most ardent enemy, they are weak-kneed, lily-livered, uninformed capitulators. And, maybe even “un-American” to boot!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM

Sarah Palin is clearly all for religious freedom and all for the First Amendment … … when it suits her. I am not fooled by her verbal gyrations in the least any more than I am by Obama’s. All this piling-on of a very small congregation Christian Pastor by powerful people is rather disgusting in and of itself, but such is mob “courage”. Rather like a lynch mob or a gang rape. This backwater, small congregation Christian Pastor has reportedly received over a hundred death threats already. This is far more important than burning some books which they own. When will Palin speak to this and condemn as vociferously those threatening murder for what isn’t even a misdemeanor? And does it not even occur to Palin that she is one of the main ones bringing so much publicity to all this? Has she even read any of the Koran, Hadith and Surah? Does she not even know what Sharia is? Does she not know that Winston Churchill himself equated Nazism and Islam and Mein Kampf and the Koran? Would she have condemned Jews for burning copies of Mein Kampf? Does she think Ronald Reagan was to be condemned for calling Communism (U.S.S.R.) the evil empire? Would she have been against Lech Walesa or Ayn Rand burning the Communist manifesto? Would she have condemned those at the Boston Tea Party for gratuitously insulting King George? Has she condemned Allen West, whom I believe she has endorsed, for the extremely insulting things (all true) he has said about Islam and Mohammad. He flat called Mohammad a pedophile and that was just him getting started. Has she condemned Merkle of Germany for awarding and praising the Motoon guy? Does she think that Islam is just another religion like Christianity,Judaism, Buddhism or Hinduism, rather than a deadly serious instruction manual for Muslims on bringing subjugation, death and Hell to the whole world? Does she even try to learn about these things before she pontificates? Is someone else writing her “facebook” or “tweet” whatevers? And what about Mittens? I thought he was suppose to have an IQ north of 150.

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 6:08 AM

I think Gen Petreaus has proven he knows more than anyone on this board about the Mid East and the cultures there.

Brian1972 on September 8, 2010 at 11:23 PM

Let’s name him Imam of the year then.

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 6:17 AM

In all seriousness Petreaus doesn’t have a clue. At least I hope he doesn’t as the alternative is too damning of him.

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 6:18 AM

Palin is gorgeous…as usual…:)

dec5 on September 9, 2010 at 6:19 AM

Palin is gorgeous…as usual…:)

dec5 on September 9, 2010 at 6:19 AM

True that. Be a shame for her to have to wear a burka down the road.

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 6:21 AM

Petraeus’s Israel Problem

Max Boot is a good historian. On Islam, I often disagree with him, finding in his work the wishful thinking common among Islamic Democracy Project enthusiasts. Still, he is thoughtful and civil, so one always expects to learn something from reading him. It was therefore jarring to read his smug attempt to drum Diana West out of the conservative movement. Boot seems to see himself as William F. Buckley Jr. and West as the John Birch Society. If you’re going to play that game, you’d better be right. Boot is dead wrong.

Boot’s attack on West is an effort to defend a surpassingly foolish statement in which Gen. David Petraeus cast Israel as the source of all
America’s woes in the Middle East. To his great discredit, the general — in a Clintonesque fashion which, as we shall see, is probably not a coincidence — simultaneously denied making the statement, grudgingly admitted making it while minimizing its significance, and accused West and others of misrepresenting his views. In fact, the general’s critics quoted his words at length, placed them in unmistakable context, and drew from them the same commonsense conclusion drawn by Israel’s gleeful critics — for whom Petraeus is the hero of the moment.

Petraeus – the new Bill Clinton!

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 6:24 AM

The Gainesville pastor should at this point say that God told him not to burn them, but to give them away to a local Mosque. The lefties wouldn’t know what to think, and the violent Muslims have to hang up their bomb belts for another day. He’s already accomplished the mission…..He does this and he’s a winner all the way…

adamsmith on September 9, 2010 at 6:26 AM

Our two current costly wars must be rapidly reexamined by the new leadership in light of the constitutions of both Iraq and Afghanistan, which proclaim that both are Islamic states under Islamic law. Islamic law is fundamentally and diametrically opposed to our concepts of freedom, justice, and tolerance. If and when we declare “victory” in either or both wars, what can success look like when both states are founded upon Islamic Sharia? “Victory” would then be failure; this inverted situation should be entirely unacceptable and a terrible scandal for every American.

When commander of the 101st Airborne in Iraq in 2003 Petraeus ordered posters for all of the barracks with WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO WIN [Islamic] IRAQI HEARTS AND MINDS TODAY?

After taking command in Afghanistan, Petraeus said, “But our military objectives remain the same. Together with our Afghan partners, we must secure and SERVE the [Islamic] people of Afghanistan.”

U.S. Special Operations Command Chief Admiral Eric Olson has called COIN doctrine [at least as applied to Afghanistan] an oxymoron, which it is.

Of course, unlike you and me, Petraeus has to believe freedom, justice and tolerance are not incompatible with Islam or else he would have to admit to himself that his beloved COIN meets Islam is and will be a very costly in blood and treasure endeavor that is a complete and utter fool’s errand.

Luka on September 9, 2010 at 6:30 AM

Gore and Petraeus – very different but very much alike.

COIN is to Petraeus what AGW and An Inconvenient Truth is to Al Gore. They are both delusional.

For Al Gore it is “See no science, hear no science, speak no science, know no science”.

For David Petraeus it is “See no islam, hear no islam, speak no islam, know no islam”.

Both Al Gore an David Petraeus are obsessed fanatics.

Jeckle on September 9, 2010 at 6:33 AM

Palin and Petraeus are the doom of our nation!

Oh wait, that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

Immolate on September 9, 2010 at 7:55 AM

Cross-posted on another thread – It appears that all it takes to recruit a muslim terrorist is for a muslim woman to give birth. If someone burns a koran, there will be more muslim terrorists. If we don’t let them build a victory musque, there will be more muslim terrorists. If we draw a picture of the great pedophile, there will be more muslim terrorists. If we do anything nice for Israel, there will be more muslim terrorists. If we allow our soldiers to defend themselves in Afghanastan, there will be more muslim terrorists. If we make cabbies take passengers carrying alcohol, there will be more muslim terrorists.

I get it – if we don’t do what the muslims want, when they want us to do it, there will be muslim terrorists. Pretty soon, we’ll have to all submit to Islam or there will be more muslim terrorists.

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 8:37 AM

How sad – some of these comments do make us sound like what the Left accuses the Right of being.

katiejane on September 9, 2010 at 9:10 AM

Monkeytoe on September 9, 2010 at 8:37 AM

So what you are saying we are de facto submitting to Islam. And since Christians are compassionate we can not stop this.

Thank God I am consider myself to be a secular Christian.

Allah Akbar

serendip2b on September 9, 2010 at 9:32 AM

The Guest1.1 list of “Legal but Stupid”
1. Sky Diving and not pulling the chord on your chute
2. Sleeping on an ant hill
3. Voting for “Obama”
4. Burning a Bible
5. Burning a Flag
6. Believing in “Change we can Believe In”
7. Nancy Pelosi …..(Add your own thought here)
8. “Obama Care”
9. The leader of the “Free World” Bowing to any foreigner that will receive him
10. Burning a Koran

Guest1.1 on September 9, 2010 at 9:37 AM

katiejane on September 9, 2010 at 9:10 AM

Bingo. It’s pathetic.

I’m glad they’ll go ahead with the burning though, because according to many of these commenters, if this isn’t done, we’ll all be beheaded by Jihadis and our woman-folk will be forced into burkas. Tomorrow. Or maybe next week.

Heralder on September 9, 2010 at 10:03 AM

{^_^}

herself on September 9, 2010 at 4:19 AM

Completely off topic, but I like how you end all your posts with a smily face. o.o

KinleyArdal on September 9, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Just burn every other religious document with it. Why stop with the Koran? If he is trying to make a point, burn ALL religious material and see who complains about it the most.

I, personally, would love to see him burn the US tax code in its entirety. Be more a small forrest fire than a bon fire.

wuesteblitz on September 9, 2010 at 10:30 AM

How sad – some of these comments do make us sound like what the Left accuses the Right of being.

katiejane on September 9, 2010 at 9:10 AM

Additionally, at least I know who they’re referring to now. Many of the comments in this thread are like the right’s version of the Daily KOS.

Heralder on September 9, 2010 at 10:52 AM

katiejane on September 9, 2010 at 9:10 AM
Heralder on September 9, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Some of us don’t give a damn what the Left thinks of us, in no small part because it doesn’t matter what we do, they will accuse us of whatever they want to.

DrMagnolias on September 9, 2010 at 12:23 PM

DrMagnolias on September 9, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Fine – don’t care what the Left thinks of you but that doesn’t mean you should prove them right. I know I’m not a racist bigot but that doesn’t mean I should do things that just validate their slur does it?

katiejane on September 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM

katiejane on September 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Name-calling and ad hominem are the resort of those who don’t have an argument. There is no more point in engaging them or worrying about them than there is in wrestling with pigs–you just end up dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Incidentally, what race is Islam?

DrMagnolias on September 9, 2010 at 1:21 PM

You’re being too polite by using “maybe” there, so let me respectfully correct what you said.

It isn’t un-American to burn a book which is your own property for whatever reason you want; what’s un-American is telling a nitwit like Jones that pursuing his happiness on his terms, which are unpopular ones in this case, is un-American.

As I pointed out in my last post, the people who are focused on irresponsibly saying that Jones is acting fascistically are truly the ones who are, AP, Palin, and Romney included.

Bizarro No. 1 on September 9, 2010 at 4:22 AM

When did counter-protests and statements by private citizens become anti-American? I must have missed that.

Jimbo3 on September 9, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Some of us don’t give a damn what the Left thinks of us, in no small part because it doesn’t matter what we do, they will accuse us of whatever they want to.

DrMagnolias on September 9, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Alright, do you give a damn what others on the Right think of you? Obviously, you’re not obliged to give a fig and I wouldn’t blame you, but it’d be good to know if a Rightie expressing concern over the radical rhetoric all over this thread’s comments is just a waste of effort.

Heralder on September 9, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Islam is not a race, just as illegal immigrant is not a race. When the liberals get desperate they throw around charges of racism, because it’s all they’ve got left.

slickwillie2001 on September 9, 2010 at 2:03 PM

Heralder on September 9, 2010 at 1:41 PM

I don’t like heated rhetoric–I prefer measured rhetoric (although I’ll admit I occasionally get heated–and saying “I don’t give a damn” about something isn’t as measured as I should be–it is something I always regret). There are plenty of threads where commenters resort to name-calling, and I hate that–I generally check out of conversing with anyone who starts getting shrill (I’d hope they do the same with me, and I’d hope they’d tell me so).

However, if a person states a view he believes is justifiable, e.g. Islam is incompatible with the West (a view I have), I must be willing to examine it even if it makes me uncomfortable. We can debate only if we can first bring these ideas up, and if we allow fear of what others think to prevent that, then we risk never dealing with important issues honestly. Two quotes come to mind:

1. “He who dares not offend cannot be honest.”–Thomas Paine

2. “We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.”–Thomas Jefferson

So, although there are people on the right that I would prefer to respect me (and that includes a number of people on this board), I can’t ever allow myself to be dishonest, because I believe it puts my country at risk (I know that may sound melodramatic, but it is my belief). If someone believes my honestly held views are radical, I’m willing to accept that as part of living my duty to my country.

DrMagnolias on September 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM

When did counter-protests and statements by private citizens become anti-American? I must have missed that.

Jimbo3 on September 9, 2010 at 1:38 PM

If you want to go ahead and believe that falsely accusing other Americans of fascistic behavior, simply for exercising their God-given right to pursue happiness on their own terms in a way the accusers don’t personally approve of, is acceptably American, be my guest!

I’ll side with the anti-fascists, and let fascists and fascist enablers like you remain on the other side.

Bizarro No. 1 on September 10, 2010 at 2:38 AM